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Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 10, 2006 - 11:02 PM
Ideal Offset in Relation to Wheel Width (standard ride height):
Width - Offset
7.0"-----30mm with 15mm spacer (effectively 15mm) *
7.5"-----31mm with 10mm spacer (effectively 21mm) *
8.0"-----33mm with 05mm spacer (effectively 28mm) *
8.5"-----35mm
9.0"-----42mm (probably too wide no matter what offset)
This will make the rim almost flush with the side of the body. These offsets and offset/spacer combos will prevent the "sucked in look" that the factory wheels have.
Ideal Offset in Relation to Wheel Width (lower ride height):
Width - Offset
7.0"-----36mm with 10mm spacer (effectively 26mm) *
7.5"-----33mm
8.0"-----40mm
8.5"-----46mm *
9.0"-----53mm (probably too wide no matter what offset)
The rim will sit just behind the fender. In order for the rims to tuck into the fender well on lowered cars the the rim must sit back into the wheel well by 11mm compared to the standard ride height offset recommendations.
* Clearance issues prevent the use of most rims with offsets lower than 30mm. The spacer will actually lower the offset and at the same time move the rim away from the offending components.
* 8.5" rims may or may not fit on lowered cars.
Offsets shown are positive.
Offset is measured from the wheels center line to the mounting surface.
Posted by: tovejas Jan 10, 2006 - 11:07 PM
so basically the smaller the offset the closer the outter tire wall is to the fenders?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 10, 2006 - 11:13 PM
so basically the smaller the offset the closer the outter tire wall is to the fenders?
Not exactly. Offset is relative to the wheel's width.
Larger offset means the mounting surface of the rim is further from the wheels center line. This will make the rim sit inside of the fender more, creating that "sucked in look."
Smaller offset means the mounting surface of the rim is closer to the wheels center line. This will make the rim sit closer to the fender but wheel width has to be taken into consideration.
Posted by: jgreening Jan 10, 2006 - 11:17 PM
This might be for a flush look and it will probably work for the fronts without a problem. I can tell you that if you have a lowered car and do that with the back, you will almost certainly need to roll your fenders. I have 48 offset wheels and 15mm spacers on 7.5" wide rims (effectively +33) and I just BARELY clear the inside of the fender without it rolled (by approximately 1 mm).
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 10, 2006 - 11:29 PM
Thanks for the heads up jay. The math I used was based on Slowriders car with an 8.5" wheel with 35mm offset which should be equal to a 7.5" wheel with a 32mm offset and a 10mm spacer. I have no idea however wether or not his car is lowered... Maybe I'll do a revised list for lowered cars tomorrow. I'll use your measurements for a starting point. How far is your car lowered?
Posted by: jgreening Jan 10, 2006 - 11:35 PM
Thanks for the heads up jay. The math I used was based on Slowriders car with an 8.5" wheel with 35mm offset which should be equal to a 7.5" wheel with a 32mm offset and a 10mm spacer. I have no idea however wether or not his car is lowered... Maybe I'll do a revised list for lowered cars tomorrow. I'll use your measurements for a starting point. How far is your car lowered?
Approximately 1.75 inches. I could take a few pics if you want.
By the way, rolling the fenders is not necessarily a bad thing.
And, I think your measurements are probably pretty accurate for a "flush look". I just didn't want people to get the idea that they would be absolutely free from any clearance issues if they used your guide.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 11, 2006 - 10:31 AM
Thanks for the heads up jay. The math I used was based on Slowriders car with an 8.5" wheel with 35mm offset which should be equal to a 7.5" wheel with a 32mm offset and a 10mm spacer. I have no idea however wether or not his car is lowered... Maybe I'll do a revised list for lowered cars tomorrow. I'll use your measurements for a starting point. How far is your car lowered?
Approximately 1.75 inches. I could take a few pics if you want.
By the way, rolling the fenders is not necessarily a bad thing.
And, I think your measurements are probably pretty accurate for a "flush look". I just didn't want people to get the idea that they would be absolutely free from any clearance issues if they used your guide.
If you've got a pic that'd be cool. Is it the rim that's barely clearing or the tire?
Posted by: jgreening Jan 11, 2006 - 4:08 PM
Thanks for the heads up jay. The math I used was based on Slowriders car with an 8.5" wheel with 35mm offset which should be equal to a 7.5" wheel with a 32mm offset and a 10mm spacer. I have no idea however wether or not his car is lowered... Maybe I'll do a revised list for lowered cars tomorrow. I'll use your measurements for a starting point. How far is your car lowered?
Approximately 1.75 inches. I could take a few pics if you want.
By the way, rolling the fenders is not necessarily a bad thing.
And, I think your measurements are probably pretty accurate for a "flush look". I just didn't want people to get the idea that they would be absolutely free from any clearance issues if they used your guide.
If you've got a pic that'd be cool. Is it the rim that's barely clearing or the tire?
I will have to take one for you.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 11, 2006 - 5:09 PM
I added the offsets per wheel width for lowered cars. Would someone like to double check my math? I'm pretty sure it's right but a second opinion would be nice. And if anyone has 8.5" rims on a lowered car would you please chime in and let us know what offset you're running and if you have any clearance issues.
Posted by: JoKeRkId613 Jan 11, 2006 - 8:24 PM
This is good stuff. So from my understanding, adding the proper spacers can make your wheels sit flush with the body instead of looking sucked in. My rims are 18x7.5 and the company states they're 35 offset. My celi isn't lowered yet. but on the chart, it says that 7.5" wide rims are 31 offset... so you would need a 10mm spacer to make it look flush. how wide would my spacer need to be if i have 35 offset right now? i plan on dropping it 1.5"all around. i would need 4 spacers, correct? im just making sure this is for both the front and rear. thanks.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 11, 2006 - 9:33 PM
If you plan on lowering it you don't need to do anything. 2mm spacers would be the only thing that would fit and it wouldn't be worth it in my opinion. Honestly, I've never seen wheel spacers smaller than 3mm anyway.
If you're not lowering it you'd need one 14mm spacer for each wheel to get the rim flush with the fender.
Posted by: jgreening Jan 11, 2006 - 9:38 PM
Justin are you sure that a 40 offset on a 8" rim will clear the strut tower?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 11, 2006 - 9:49 PM
Justin are you sure that a 40 offset on a 8" rim will clear the strut tower?
If not, then 8" rims won't fit at all on a lowered car. +40mm offset on an 8" rim should be as close to the fender as your 7.5" rims with +33 offset which means there is no more room to subtract offset to clear the strut tower.
EDIT: I just checked tirerack and they sell Gram Lights 57pros that are 18x8 +48mm offset for our cars so 8" +40mm offset should fit fine.
Posted by: tovejas Jan 12, 2006 - 12:11 PM
whats the offset on the stock 15" wheels?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 12, 2006 - 12:54 PM
Most say it's about 37 or 38 for the 15"x7" alloys on the GT.
Posted by: JoKeRkId613 Jan 12, 2006 - 1:25 PM
If you're not lowering it you'd need one 14mm spacer for each wheel to get the rim flush with the fender.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 12, 2006 - 2:48 PM
You won't be able to tell a difference with or without the 2mm spacer.
Posted by: CelicaZR Mar 29, 2006 - 5:41 AM
Sorry to bring up an old thread.
I'm currently looking at these wheels
I like. They are 18 x 7.5 with an offset of +43.
Would this work on my car?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Mar 29, 2006 - 6:59 AM
It'll fit but it will look just as sucked in as the stock wheels. You could run 10-20mm spacers to make it look more flush with the body.
Posted by: CelicaZR Mar 29, 2006 - 7:10 AM
Cool 
Thanks Wannabe.
I guess I'll look for another set.
Posted by: bufferdan Mar 29, 2006 - 10:23 AM
My g/f is about to be putting some 17x8's +35 with a 1.5in drop all the way around. I'll have some pics and info by the end of this week. Hopefully it all clears If not we may have the roll the rear fenders alittle. Should be a pretty sweet setup though!
Posted by: Valo666 Mar 29, 2006 - 9:08 PM
Can some one sticky this??..its usefull.
Posted by: 97lestyousay Mar 29, 2006 - 10:07 PM
Can some one sticky this??..its usefull.
It is.lol
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=28249
Posted by: Valo666 Mar 29, 2006 - 10:19 PM
right..im an idiot 
Posted by: Tech9ine Mar 29, 2006 - 10:34 PM
do any of you know what kind of spacer i will need for 16" 7th gen gts rims? i think they are 6.5 inch's wide.
Posted by: malpaso Mar 30, 2006 - 1:03 AM
do any of you know what kind of spacer i will need for 16" 7th gen gts rims? i think they are 6.5 inch's wide.
I have 6.5x16 rims too (offset 45) and I'll plan to use 2.5mm spacers...
Posted by: bufferdan Mar 30, 2006 - 9:38 AM
You could actually use 15mm spacers on GTS rims to get them flush as possible.
Posted by: bufferdan Apr 3, 2006 - 10:13 AM
17x8 +35 Offset with 215/45/17 ...Fronts are pretty flush...i think the rear still could use a 10mm spacer bringing it to +25 to be close flush.
Posted by: tovejas Apr 9, 2006 - 10:12 PM
anyone know wat the offset is for our stock rims (15" 5 spoke)?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Apr 9, 2006 - 11:25 PM
anyone know wat the offset is for our stock rims (15" 5 spoke)?
Most say it's about 37 or 38 for the 15"x7" alloys on the GT.
Posted by: CelicaZR Apr 20, 2006 - 6:54 AM
Hey guy found another set of wheels
I need some advice
17x7.5 offset +50.
Now I know these are more suitable for a WRX.
1) Would these fit?
2) What size spacer would I need to make it look flush?
Thanks
Posted by: malpaso Apr 20, 2006 - 7:20 AM
Hey guy found another set of wheels
I need some advice
17x7.5 offset +50.
Now I know these are more suitable for a WRX.
1) Would these fit?
2) What size spacer would I need to make it look flush?
Thanks
mm:
15 front, 20 back or less (10 front and 15 back)
inches:
0.59 front, 0.79 back or less (0.39 front and 0.59 back)
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Apr 20, 2006 - 7:22 AM
17 - 29mm spacer depending on if you're lowered or not.
Posted by: CelicaZR Apr 20, 2006 - 7:30 AM
you didnt answer question 1 guys
But thanks for answering question 2 though
Posted by: malpaso Apr 20, 2006 - 7:54 AM
you didnt answer question 1 guys
But thanks for answering question 2 though
O.K., you won
. Offset +50 and 7.5 width rim with spacers will fit for 100%. Without spacer there is possibility you may rub wheel arch sometimes (abrupt turns, "U" turns, etc.).
Posted by: Manta5x May 15, 2006 - 8:33 PM
how would these look on my car?
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findProductCategoryDetailBrnd.do?tpc=LIQSTA&tp=Car%2FMinivan
click for larger pic
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/wheels/liqsta.s.xl.jpg
sizes
18X7.5 5-100 45
18X8.5 5-100 40
Posted by: malpaso May 16, 2006 - 1:35 AM
how would these look on my car?
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findProductCategoryDetailBrnd.do?tpc=LIQSTA&tp=Car%2FMinivan
...
click for larger pic
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/wheels/liqsta.s.xl.jpg
sizes
18X7.5 5-100 45
18X8.5 5-100 40
Posted by: Manta5x May 16, 2006 - 9:20 AM
excellent diagram , thank you very much Malpaso.
Posted by: CelicaZR Jul 6, 2006 - 7:26 AM
Would 18 x 8 +44 offset fit?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jul 6, 2006 - 10:00 AM
Yep.
Posted by: jdg371 Jul 6, 2006 - 6:34 PM
I want some 16x8s for my car.. would most likely be lowered.. what offset should I look for?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jul 6, 2006 - 6:35 PM
40mm should fit just fine.
Posted by: devilsden97 Jul 6, 2006 - 6:39 PM
i have 17x8 with a 32 mm offset and they rock
edit: didnt answer your question, id go with 32or 35mm offset
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jul 6, 2006 - 6:46 PM
i have 17x8 with a 32 mm offset and they rock
edit: didnt answer your question, id go with 32or 35mm offset
But how low are you? 32mm would probably be just fine on a car if it's not too low and not running too wide of a tire, but if you are really low and want to ride on comfortable tires my bet is on the 40mm offset.
Posted by: devilsden97 Jul 6, 2006 - 6:50 PM
im on sportline springs....and on 225/45/17 tires Falken 512 ziex's to be exact
Posted by: jgreening Jul 6, 2006 - 10:14 PM
im on sportline springs....and on 225/45/17 tires Falken 512 ziex's to be exact
Those will fit a 7.5" rim fine. If you are going to go for an 8" rim, I would look for a slightly larger tire if traction is an issue.
Posted by: jdg371 Jul 7, 2006 - 2:08 PM
So 8in is too wide for 225/50s? what size tires would be good for 16x8 245/40?
Posted by: malpaso Jul 8, 2006 - 3:00 AM
So 8in is too wide for 225/50s? what size tires would be good for 16x8 245/40?
No it's not. For 225/50s you can use 6.0 - 8.0 rims
see topic http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=35319 ("recommended combinations rim and tire widths" table) for more info
Posted by: Predator Oct 24, 2006 - 4:20 PM
ok, so i'm totally retarded when it comes to rims and offsets. think i've got a 17" x 7.5 rim, how wide spacer will i need to make the wheel flush with the body?
edit: the car is lowered
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Oct 24, 2006 - 5:47 PM
What is the offset of your current wheels?
Posted by: Predator Oct 25, 2006 - 11:13 AM
i think it's 35
Posted by: Griff Nov 10, 2006 - 10:30 PM
I am going to upgrade to these Konig's
http://buywheelstoday.com/products/?id=2749
which ones should i get the 18' 7.5 with 45 offset or 8 with 40
i dont know how to roll fenders, and would rather just bolt these on, does anyone suggest one over the other, will i rub the wheel arch or anything?
some help would be greatly appreciated.
and all that offset stuff confused me, i would like to get the rim flush, as a bolt on (no spacers or w/e), and my car is lowered.
Thanks!
Posted by: Griff Nov 14, 2006 - 7:13 AM
anyone?
Posted by: bufferdan Nov 14, 2006 - 9:04 AM
18x8 +40 will be fine...
Posted by: Griff Nov 14, 2006 - 6:31 PM
is the '...' , mean anything like...probbally? or you confident, id hate to screw up a 1000$
and i guess ill run 225's on 8?
Posted by: Jdog1385 Nov 27, 2006 - 10:43 AM
ok so im installing 15mm spacers and id like a 17x8 wheel...what offset should i be looking at? my car is also lowered about 1.2"
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Nov 27, 2006 - 12:09 PM
40mm. No spacer.
Posted by: Jdog1385 Nov 27, 2006 - 1:28 PM
40mm. No spacer.
ok, i figured i should have never bought the spacers. i can only seem to find 17x8 w/ a 35mm offset, i dont think it should be a problem though because my car is lowered on H&R springs that drop it about 1-1.2" I am also going for the same overall diameter. Correct me if im wrong. this topic rocks by the way, thanks man.
Posted by: Alex-UKSC Apr 18, 2007 - 1:52 PM
Just had a blow out so need some help.
I took the alloy of & wondered if it is the correct offset etc. read through the post but im still confused.
I'm running a 215/35/18 7.5j 48 offset according to numbers on the inside of the rim i assume are offset etc.
thanks
Posted by: black13 Apr 27, 2007 - 4:11 AM
some guy is selling his 7.5", + 45mm, 225/45/17 which I'm guessing won't be too well for a stock suspension celica since the off set is too high. Am I right?
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Apr 27, 2007 - 7:47 AM
That'd be about half an inch further sucked in that stock rims. I'd pass on those unless you're getting a killer deal and don't mind running spacers.
Posted by: black13 Apr 27, 2007 - 1:59 PM
it's for rims + tires of yokohama advan. for $600 CAN
http://forums.beyond.ca/attachment.php?s=&postid=1925967
Seems like a good deal to me and is there any problem running spacers? Will they hurt the car or the performance?
Thanks for the reply as well.
EDIT: how about these...
18" Enkei Rims, 5 bolt, theyre 18x7?
Posted by: 95CelicaST Apr 27, 2007 - 2:04 PM
You can buy those and get some spacers to bring it out a bit more. A 5mm spacer won't hurn anything. I have +42 wheels and they fit fine, but I am looking into 5mm spacers to bring it out.
EDIT: the wheels you are looking at have the wrong bolt pattern. Those are 5X114. You need 5X100.
The Enkei's would fit provided they are the right offset.
Posted by: GTSOwner Apr 29, 2007 - 11:13 PM
235/40-17 Falken Azenis RT-615 on 17x8, et +35 wheels WILL rub on unlowered cars.
Posted by: 94gts Jul 10, 2007 - 8:42 AM
17x8 +50 offset ... would there be any issues running this set up?
Posted by: topshed Jul 10, 2007 - 11:28 AM
235/40-17 Falken Azenis RT-615 on 17x8, et +35 wheels WILL rub on unlowered cars.
I wouldn't have thought so considering 225/45 on 17x9. et=35 don't. thats what I'm running.
Posted by: CelicaGTS94 Jul 10, 2007 - 12:22 PM
I am running 17x7 rims with a 205/40/17 tire with a 40 offset, just wondering if this is close to flush with the fenders? they look like they could come out a bit?
Posted by: bufferdan Jul 10, 2007 - 12:56 PM
235/40-17 Falken Azenis RT-615 on 17x8, et +35 wheels WILL rub on unlowered cars.
Who says? http://www.6gc.net/members/gt_driffter has 235/40/17 with 17x8 +35 offset on cut stock springs which are lower than tein s-techs and he doesnt have problems.
I am running 17x7 rims with a 205/40/17 tire with a 40 offset, just wondering if this is close to flush with the fenders? they look like they could come out a bit?
add about a 2inch spacer and it would be close
seriouslyPosted by: CelicaGTS94 Jul 11, 2007 - 7:42 AM
I forgot to mention I am lower 1.5" on Tein s-techs!!
Posted by: LadyHavoc Jul 13, 2007 - 11:35 PM
i thought this was a sticky? no?
Posted by: CelicaGTS94 Jul 16, 2007 - 11:56 AM
I am running 17x7 rims with a 205/40/17 tire with a 40 offset, just wondering if this is close to flush with the fenders? they look like they could come out a bit?
add about a 2inch spacer and it would be close
seriouslyso what should I be running to look flush?
Posted by: bufferdan Jul 16, 2007 - 12:49 PM
17x8 +35 is a good setup for the 6gc. Tire size is up to you though. You can stretch a 215/45/17 or go with a 235/40/17. You "may" get slight rubbing in the rear depending on how low you are with a 235/40...not that big of deal just roll the rear fender lip in alittle. There has been pictures posted in this thread with this setup.
Posted by: 6strngs Nov 15, 2007 - 2:18 AM
I am considering some 17x8 with a 46 offset and was wondeing if 235/40/17 tires will fit without clearance issues? the car is unlowered right now but will be later. I'm more concerned with not rubbing rather than having perfectly flush wheels, spacers can always be added later.
Posted by: oldmonk Nov 21, 2007 - 4:19 PM
I just bought a 1996 Celica ST. Can someone tell me if I can use 17"x7.5" rims with a +32mm offset?
I will use 215/45-17 tires and the car is not lowered. How would this look? Any cleareance issues?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Posted by: thespacepanda Dec 13, 2007 - 9:18 PM
Ok, to bring a very old thread back, I'm looking at a set of 18"x7.5" with a +48 offset. I'm sitting on Eibach pros with roughly a 1" drop. Will these cause clearance issues and will they be flush or sucked?
Posted by: 6strngs Dec 14, 2007 - 3:40 AM
Ok, to bring a very old thread back, I'm looking at a set of 18"x7.5" with a +48 offset. I'm sitting on Eibach pros with roughly a 1" drop. Will these cause clearance issues and will they be flush or sucked?
a 15mm spacer would get it flush. otherwise it'll be sucked in. I dunno about the clearance issue though, but it also depends on your tire size.
Posted by: Celicam8 Dec 15, 2007 - 12:15 AM
If you put an offset, arn't you taking the risk of loosing control over the car since your putting something over original?
Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 12, 2008 - 3:19 PM
edit : duplicated
Posted by: Penkka Jan 17, 2008 - 5:26 PM
Could someone please tell me this thing.
I´ve been lookin' for these rims, that are 17"x8" and the offset is 42.
My car is on normal rideheight at the moment, what would it look like? How about if I lower it?
Posted by: thespacepanda Jan 17, 2008 - 6:06 PM
Could someone please tell me this thing.
I´ve been lookin' for these rims, that are 17"x8" and the offset is 42.
My car is on normal rideheight at the moment, what would it look like? How about if I lower it?
It will look pretty good (depending on if the rims look good). 17x8 is a good size rim and with 42 offset you're looking at a fairly close to flush look, which is always good. If you lower it it will look better and clearance may be an issue on full steer but there are ways around that. Only way to know is to drop it.
Posted by: Penkka Jan 17, 2008 - 6:33 PM
Could someone please tell me this thing.
I´ve been lookin' for these rims, that are 17"x8" and the offset is 42.
My car is on normal rideheight at the moment, what would it look like? How about if I lower it?
It will look pretty good (depending on if the rims look good). 17x8 is a good size rim and with 42 offset you're looking at a fairly close to flush look, which is always good. If you lower it it will look better and clearance may be an issue on full steer but there are ways around that. Only way to know is to drop it.
okay sounds good to me
now I´ll only have to wait for couple months to get the money..oh and what is the "flush" look? is this close to it?
Posted by: thespacepanda Jan 17, 2008 - 6:45 PM
That's pretty close to flush. Maybe a few more millimeters.
Posted by: Penkka Jan 17, 2008 - 6:47 PM
That's pretty close to flush. Maybe a few more millimeters.
Okay.. So ill buy 5mm spacers for both sides.
Still thinking should I stick with those rims or get new ones.. Maybe ill run with those and spacers, and get something else to my celi
Posted by: thespacepanda Jan 17, 2008 - 6:54 PM
That's pretty close to flush. Maybe a few more millimeters.
Okay.. So ill buy 5mm spacers for both sides.
Still thinking should I stick with those rims or get new ones.. Maybe ill run with those and spacers, and get something else to my celi
Drop it. Drop it like it's temperature is too high to come in contact with human skin.
Posted by: Penkka Jan 17, 2008 - 7:01 PM
That's pretty close to flush. Maybe a few more millimeters.
Okay.. So ill buy 5mm spacers for both sides.
Still thinking should I stick with those rims or get new ones.. Maybe ill run with those and spacers, and get something else to my celi
Drop it. Drop it like it's temperature is too high to come in contact with human skin.
yea, TRD springs wouldn´t be a bad idea..
Posted by: thespacepanda Jan 17, 2008 - 8:20 PM
Nobody got it? Anybody? Alright, I'll go back to bed.
Posted by: 6strngs Jan 17, 2008 - 9:34 PM
Nobody got it? Anybody? Alright, I'll go back to bed.
drop it like it's hot?
anyway, acording to this guide, for a 17x8 the ideal offset would be 40mm. if you've got 42, that's only 2mm off, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. though I've been told 17x8 with a 35mm offset is really flush too. in any case, I think we need to run staggered wheels in order to have anything perfectly fluch anyway.
Posted by: Daftboy Jan 18, 2008 - 3:52 PM
What size spacers should i get to get my wheels flush ...i have 17x7JJ at a 42 offset....my ride is lowered 1.5 inches...any help would be great. The rear tires are really far in and would like too pull them out.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 18, 2008 - 4:20 PM
What size spacers should i get to get my wheels flush ...i have 17x7JJ at a 42 offset....my ride is lowered 1.5 inches...any help would be great. The rear tires are really far in and would like too pull them out.
15mm should be safe.
Posted by: Daftboy Jan 18, 2008 - 5:28 PM
15mm will not sit it flush i think.... i was thinking 25mm but im not sure
Posted by: 6strngs Jan 18, 2008 - 5:41 PM
15mm will not sit it flush i think.... i was thinking 25mm but im not sure
that's a lot of space though... you'd probably need longer studs in order to fit a 25 mm spacer.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Jan 18, 2008 - 5:46 PM
I said 15mm because you're lowered. If you weren't, 25mm would work without question.
Posted by: Daftboy Jan 18, 2008 - 8:14 PM
Well if I went to 25mm I would get new bolts ...same if i went to 15mm ...just not sure with what I can get away with
Posted by: 6strngs Jan 18, 2008 - 9:37 PM
25mm is almost one full inch, if when you put your wheels on now, if you think you have one inch of stud sticking out plus enough to thread on 6-7 full turns of a lug nut, then you're ok. lol.
Posted by: Penkka Jan 19, 2008 - 6:27 AM
What size spacers should i get to get my wheels flush ...i have 17x7JJ at a 42 offset....my ride is lowered 1.5 inches...any help would be great. The rear tires are really far in and would like too pull them out.
Why do you guys buy so narrow rims? Wider rims and tires always look better and makes the car better to handle.
Posted by: 6strngs Jan 19, 2008 - 1:43 PM
What size spacers should i get to get my wheels flush ...i have 17x7JJ at a 42 offset....my ride is lowered 1.5 inches...any help would be great. The rear tires are really far in and would like too pull them out.
Why do you guys buy so narrow rims? Wider rims and tires always look better and makes the car better to handle.
more expensive, and also weighs a bit more so it'll negatively affect accelleration. there's also a much wider selection of 17x7 then there is 17x8.
Posted by: Daftboy Jan 19, 2008 - 2:15 PM
As he said.....plus the only way too get 8JJ for my rim was to go up to a 18" which kills acceleration and handling.
Posted by: Culpable04 Jan 19, 2008 - 3:07 PM
and if you live where you get snow and your celi is a daily driven car, wide wheels / tires will make you the laugh of the road with the minimal sign of snow.
Erik : 15 mm will be perfect
Posted by: Daftboy Jan 20, 2008 - 3:00 AM
with 15mm spacers do we need longer bolts? or should the stock ones still be ok ?
Posted by: Culpable04 Jan 20, 2008 - 3:05 AM
you'll need longer studs
Posted by: Penkka Jan 20, 2008 - 3:39 AM
What size spacers should i get to get my wheels flush ...i have 17x7JJ at a 42 offset....my ride is lowered 1.5 inches...any help would be great. The rear tires are really far in and would like too pull them out.
Why do you guys buy so narrow rims? Wider rims and tires always look better and makes the car better to handle.
more expensive, and also weighs a bit more so it'll negatively affect accelleration. there's also a much wider selection of 17x7 then there is 17x8.
My summer rims are 16x8.5 and I think the car handles awesome with them.
and if you live where you get snow and your celi is a daily driven car, wide wheels / tires will make you the laugh of the road with the minimal sign of snow.
You think it doesn´t snow in Finland
thats what studded tyres and winter rims are for!
Posted by: 99GT Mar 26, 2008 - 9:05 PM
8.0"-----40mm
If I get 17x8.0 with 42mm offset. That will be flush? No problems?
1.75 drop all around with Intrax springs.
42mm would be more sucked in after re-reading.
32mm would be too much and need spacer correct?
I don't really get this offset thing haha.
I'm planning on some Work Emotions.
Posted by: 6strngs Mar 27, 2008 - 1:17 AM
99GT, I just installed some knock-offs of those wheels today. they were 17x8 with a 35mm offset. they are very flush in the front, but could stand to come out a couple mm more in the back. I think for a true flush look, we'd need to run staggered. perhaps 35 in the front and 25 in the back? I'm not sure yet.
btw, I'm lowered on teins and kybs.
Posted by: chrisalphonsus Apr 20, 2008 - 5:54 PM
doe any one know if a 18 inch mercedes rims ( leaxni ) will fit a celica it has a universal bolt pattern and has a 225/40/18 tire , please help it was on a 2000 mercedes e320
Posted by: 6strngs Apr 21, 2008 - 12:25 AM
doe any one know if a 18 inch mercedes rims ( leaxni ) will fit a celica it has a universal bolt pattern and has a 225/40/18 tire , please help it was on a 2000 mercedes e320
doubt it. german cars use different bolt patterns than japanese cars. universal 5-lug wheels for japanese cars usually have 5x100 and 5x114.3 bolt patterns, while a lot of mercedes and BMW use a 5x112 bolt pattern.
for the record, our cars have a 5x100 bolt pattern. and it'll be hard to fit anything wider than an 8" wheel without modification.
Posted by: GotToyota Apr 27, 2008 - 6:44 PM
I'm looking at a set of wheels that are 17x7.5, and the offset on them is +35. I'm lowered 1.5", how well would these work?
They also offer +20 and +48 offsets as well, now I've heard that the rear need a bit of a higher offset, so could I get +35 in the front, and +20 in the back?
I do not want to have to run spacers. And I would like them to be flush.
-Matt
Posted by: GotToyota Apr 28, 2008 - 11:34 AM
Anyone?
Posted by: 6strngs Apr 28, 2008 - 3:48 PM
I'm looking at a set of wheels that are 17x7.5, and the offset on them is +35. I'm lowered 1.5", how well would these work?
They also offer +20 and +48 offsets as well, now I've heard that the rear need a bit of a higher offset, so could I get +35 in the front, and +20 in the back?
I do not want to have to run spacers. And I would like them to be flush.
-Matt
they'll fit. they are only 2mm more sucked in than the guide recommends. they'll look good
Posted by: trdproven Apr 29, 2008 - 8:11 AM
I'm running 17x7.5 with +32 offset, they are fine.
Posted by: GotToyota Apr 30, 2008 - 6:51 PM
Sweet, looking into getting these wheels soon, along with a set of 225/45/17.
-Matt
Posted by: GotToyota May 4, 2008 - 10:47 AM
Just to make sure before I order, the wheels at 17x7.5, and a +35 offset will be flush with the fender?
BTW, my car is lowered 1.5" all around.
-Matt
Posted by: 6strngs May 4, 2008 - 12:52 PM
I've got 17x8 with a 35 offset. They sit super flush in the front, and sucked in about 5-10mm in the back. a 17x7.5 with a 35 offset is going to be 6mm more sucked in than mine. so, ideally you'd want a 17x7.5 with a 29mm offset for them to be really flush. but it's only a 1/4 of an inch that they'll be sucked in.
Posted by: GotToyota May 4, 2008 - 2:12 PM
I've got 17x8 with a 35 offset. They sit super flush in the front, and sucked in about 5-10mm in the back. a 17x7.5 with a 35 offset is going to be 6mm more sucked in than mine. so, ideally you'd want a 17x7.5 with a 29mm offset for them to be really flush. but it's only a 1/4 of an inch that they'll be sucked in.
Awesome.
They also have +20 as well, would they be better for the rear, and then the +35 for the front?
-Matt
Posted by: 6strngs May 4, 2008 - 7:07 PM
I've got 17x8 with a 35 offset. They sit super flush in the front, and sucked in about 5-10mm in the back. a 17x7.5 with a 35 offset is going to be 6mm more sucked in than mine. so, ideally you'd want a 17x7.5 with a 29mm offset for them to be really flush. but it's only a 1/4 of an inch that they'll be sucked in.
Awesome.
They also have +20 as well, would they be better for the rear, and then the +35 for the front?
-Matt
that's probably a little too much for the rear. it might stick out like 2-5 mm past the fender.
Posted by: SoDo Jul 15, 2008 - 12:53 AM
So if i had 17x7.5, would i want the offset to be 30 or 40? What would it need to be if the car was lowered 1.5"?
Posted by: 6strngs Jul 15, 2008 - 9:20 AM
go with the 30 offset... read the last 4-5 posts above yours for someone who pretty much asked the same question.
BTW, I really wish they had a guide that was this easy to understand for the alltrac! They do for the ST185, but it seems that information is really hard to find for the ST165
Posted by: SoDo Jul 15, 2008 - 10:34 PM
Nice. thanks for the info. i wanna put these on my car http://www.rotawheels.com/wheels.asp?wheelid=39 I wouldnt need to have a different offset for front and rear right?
Posted by: 6strngs Jul 16, 2008 - 9:18 PM
you don't need a different offset for front and rear unless you're trying to get them super flush which isn't necessary. if anything you'd want a lower offset for the back and the lowest they have for that wheel is 30. Don't worry about it though, just get the 30 and it'll look good
btw, what color are you getting it in? They look good
Posted by: SoDo Jul 16, 2008 - 11:47 PM
I'm plannin on getting the silver ones, possibly the gunmetal. I need to find a local shop or website that can order these for me.
Posted by: 6strngs Jul 17, 2008 - 9:23 AM
*cough* *cough* gunmetal *cough* *cough*
I didn't have great experience with rota... I ordered a set through my work (discount tire/america's tire) and they said there was a 6-8 week wait on them. so I waited, and waited, and waited, and after 9 weeks finally decided to call them to see where my wheels were... they told me that they had no record of the order! but that they had them in stock and would be there in a week. cool. so a week and a half later I call them and they said they had no record of the order again... so i said screw you and got a different brand.
Posted by: GotToyota Aug 3, 2008 - 9:24 PM
How would a 17x7 wheel with a 40mm offset fit? I'd like it to be flush with the fender if possible.
Posted by: Davesceli Aug 4, 2008 - 12:38 AM
It'll be kinda sucked in...i've got 17x7.5 with a 35mm offset and it still is kinda sucked in the rears. Not by a lot but if you're looking for a flushed look, you'll need like a 30-32mm offset
Posted by: 6strngs Aug 4, 2008 - 2:07 AM
it'll be really sucked in. I don't mean to be rude, but have you looked at the original post? this isn't the first time you've asked a question and the answers are already there.
Posted by: DiP203 Aug 28, 2008 - 6:42 PM
ok ive read most of this thread and am still stumped with offsets lol im looking to go with a wider rear and thinner front tire looking at
http://www.german-wheels.com/produkte/database/?wid=52&sdi=true
whats the widest i can go in the rear????
Posted by: 6strngs Aug 30, 2008 - 7:06 PM
http://www.german-wheels.com/produkte/database/?wid=52&sdi=true
whats the widest i can go in the rear????
you could probably get away with the 8.5" with the 35 mm offset in the rear. in the front, you'd probably want a 7.5" with about a 30 offset. you could use the 7.5" with the 35 mm that they have listed in the front, but it'll be a little sucked in.
Posted by: pflau Sep 1, 2008 - 3:24 AM
Are you people out of your mind???
It does not matter what size wheel you have you do not change the offset.
If you do you would change the steering behavior because the tires no longer pivot at the center when you steer and you risk the tires hitting the wheel well.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Sep 1, 2008 - 12:44 PM
It does not matter what size wheel you have you do not change the offset.
If you do you would change the steering behavior because the tires no longer pivot at the center when you steer and you risk the tires hitting the wheel well.
Offset is directly related to wheel width. Not changing it when you use a wider wheel is just plain ignorant. The difference in steering behavior is only a factor with drastic offset changes, not minor changes as have been mentioned in this thread.
If you need help understanding this concept I'll try and teach you.
Posted by: pflau Sep 1, 2008 - 6:54 PM
"In a nutshell you need an offset as close to the vehicles original wheel offset as possible"
http://www.raceandroad.com/offset.asp
Posted by: 6strngs Sep 2, 2008 - 1:36 AM
http://www.raceandroad.com/offset.asp
yeah, if you will be using the same width wheel as stock (7 inches) and don't mind it being just as sucked in as the factory wheels, then go for the factory offset. but if you want wheels that are a different size than stock and/or want them to look good, you need a different offset. these aren't very drastic changes in offset that were talking about anyway.
I've worked at 2 different tire shops over the last 13 months and I've put numerous sets of rims with different offsets than stock on many different cars and never once had them come back and say their car doesn't steer. any and all affect on steering can be fixed with an alignment.
Posted by: trdproven Sep 6, 2008 - 9:35 PM
The car looks better flushed, I have 7.5 with 32 offset and it does look much better but its still tucked in a bit. The rear you can run wider than the front but only problem is you either can't drop it that low or you gotta roll the fenders. Reason being is the lip of the rear fender is wider than the front. The front barely has any lip at all.
Posted by: _mikeE Sep 22, 2008 - 10:55 PM
Okay, I'm kinda understanding this and still a bit lost.
I am currently looking at a set of rims that are 17x7 with a 35 offset. Tires are 225/45/17.
So a 10mm spacer in front and 15mm spacer in rear for the flushed look? Hope that is correct. If not, please help me clarify this.
Posted by: SoDo Oct 18, 2008 - 1:25 PM
Ok. So i finally found someone out in Cali that sells Rotas. Going with gunmetal SDX. The only size available is 17x7.5 5x100 and +48 offset. Will this work. I'm planning on lowering the car 1.5" with eibach sportlines and kyb shocks. Will this offset work for my car. What will i need to make it work?
Posted by: trdproven Oct 19, 2008 - 6:25 AM
all depends on the width and offset, my 7.5" and 32 offset is still clearing the fender rim. If you are not thinking of dropping the car too low, you can get much wider rims. Local shops will be able to calculate that for you for the celica specifically.
Posted by: 6strngs Oct 19, 2008 - 10:38 AM
meh, I work at a "local shop" and I've looked the celica up on the computer before. I can't remember exactly what it said we could fit, but it was wrong. we could fit way bigger than what it was saying.
Posted by: 6strngs Oct 19, 2008 - 10:45 AM
I can't remember, but I'm 90% sure the stock wheel is a 15x7 with a 42 offset. so, using this calculator http://www.motegiracing.com/techzone/OffsetCalculator/offset.html here's what will happen with those 17x7.5's:
Your new wheel will have the following characteristics:
The clearance from stut housing to the inside of the wheel will be 12mm LESS
The outside edge of the wheel will extend to THE SAME point as the stock wheel
so, take a look at your stock rims and see if you have half an inch (12.5mm) clearance between it and the strut housing, and then think if you want them to be just as sucked in as the stock rims...
EDIT: ok, stock rims actually have a 45mm offest, so the 17's will actually be 9mm closer to the strut and stick out 3mm farther than stock
Posted by: djseven Oct 19, 2008 - 11:46 AM
i bought 17x7 offset +48. im waiting for the tires and tuner lug nuts. i post pics when its done
Posted by: CaliJeff Oct 19, 2008 - 7:46 PM
After reading all this stuff. I'm still so confused. I wanna get new 17's, and i want all the tires to be flush with the possibility of not having to use spacers. Can anyone help me out? I do not have any lowering mods, and I also want wide tires.
Posted by: SoDo Oct 19, 2008 - 9:21 PM
I can't remember, but I'm 90% sure the stock wheel is a 15x7 with a 42 offset. so, using this calculator http://www.motegiracing.com/techzone/OffsetCalculator/offset.html here's what will happen with those 17x7.5's:
Your new wheel will have the following characteristics:
The clearance from stut housing to the inside of the wheel will be 12mm LESS
The outside edge of the wheel will extend to THE SAME point as the stock wheel
so, take a look at your stock rims and see if you have half an inch (12.5mm) clearance between it and the strut housing, and then think if you want them to be just as sucked in as the stock rims...
EDIT: ok, stock rims actually have a 45mm offest, so the 17's will actually be 9mm closer to the strut and stick out 3mm farther than stock
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate ur knowlege in wheels, since idk much about them. Cool offset calculator. So according to this i would want atleast a 9mm spacer to keep the wheel away from the strut housing? Is this right? If not what will i need to do to make it work? Thanks again.
Posted by: 6strngs Oct 19, 2008 - 11:20 PM
I can't remember, but I'm 90% sure the stock wheel is a 15x7 with a 42 offset. so, using this calculator http://www.motegiracing.com/techzone/OffsetCalculator/offset.html here's what will happen with those 17x7.5's:
Your new wheel will have the following characteristics:
The clearance from stut housing to the inside of the wheel will be 12mm LESS
The outside edge of the wheel will extend to THE SAME point as the stock wheel
so, take a look at your stock rims and see if you have half an inch (12.5mm) clearance between it and the strut housing, and then think if you want them to be just as sucked in as the stock rims...
EDIT: ok, stock rims actually have a 45mm offest, so the 17's will actually be 9mm closer to the strut and stick out 3mm farther than stock
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate ur knowlege in wheels, since idk much about them. Cool offset calculator. So according to this i would want atleast a 9mm spacer to keep the wheel away from the strut housing? Is this right? If not what will i need to do to make it work? Thanks again.
not saying that you'll need spacers. Only that the wheels you want to get will be 9mm closer to the strut tower than the stock wheels. So, as long as you there is more than 9mm clearance between the stock wheels and the strut tower, than the wheels will fit. They will not be flush, but they'll work. If you want them to be flush, use the offsets listed in the original post, though I think those are off by a couple mm.
I used 17x8 with a 35mm offset on my car and they were about as close to flush as you can get without running staggered, or with spacers in the rear. I personally ran 225/45/17 tires, but I'm pretty sure 235/40/17 and possibly even 245/40/17 would fit with these wheels.
Posted by: samir0189 Oct 20, 2008 - 9:19 AM
235 and 245 will definitely fit on a 17x8 wheel. I have 235's on my 17x7
Posted by: 6strngs Oct 20, 2008 - 12:29 PM
they'll fit on the wheel no doubt about that, I was saying they'll fit on the car.
btw, the maximum recommended width for a 7-inch wheel is 225...
Posted by: CaliJeff Oct 20, 2008 - 1:33 PM
haha Great guys !!! Thanks!
Posted by: samir0189 Oct 20, 2008 - 3:48 PM
they'll fit on the wheel no doubt about that, I was saying they'll fit on the car.
btw, the maximum recommended width for a 7-inch wheel is 225...
Yeahhhhh i know, i know, but it fits perfectly without a problem, no bulging or weird wearing or improper sealing. its perfect!
Posted by: whatthe Nov 19, 2008 - 10:35 PM
Ok if i was after a set of rims 17x7 with 48+ offset, keeping in mind i will be lowering 1.5" - 2" in the future, how big spacers do i need to purchase to make it look agressive/flush and not rub guards?
thanks
Posted by: foxcraze Nov 27, 2008 - 12:49 PM
Im lowering my celly 2 inches all around on coilovers, will a 17 by 7.5 with a 40mm offset running 205/40/zr17 fit on the car with out a problem?
Posted by: whatthe Jan 5, 2009 - 5:14 AM
If i was going by a lower ride height, 17x8 with +30 offset will that look flush? (Well more after the wheels coming out slightly for a more aggressive look)
Eg.
From the first post its stated that +40 will look flush, anyone want to give me some advice?
Posted by: 6strngs Jan 5, 2009 - 10:46 AM
Eg.
From the first post its stated that +40 will look flush, anyone want to give me some advice?
for a look like that... you'll need some coilovers, slammed all the way, preferably something with adjustable camber so you can turn it all the way negative and have 15+ degress of negative camber... then you'll want some 19's with like a 245/25/19 tire. cut and roll the fenders, and have deep pocket books cause you'll need to replace those $300+ EACH tires on a weekly basis.
seriosuly though, for a very agressive look go with like an 18x8 + 30 then and lower it as much as possible and roll the fenders and you should have a pretty damn aggressive look like that.
Posted by: whatthe Jan 6, 2009 - 10:45 AM
^thank you for your help 6strings, yes im considering 18x8 +35 offest now do you think it will look flush?
these exact 18" rims but i think these have +25 offset
Posted by: 6strngs Jan 7, 2009 - 2:19 AM
these exact 18" rims but i think these have different offset
my 17x8 +35's were perfect for me. if you go with an 18 and a lower profile tire, it should look awesome, especially lowered. I had tein S-techs, and I'm not trying to brag, but they looked perfect, just the right amount of drop on the right size wheels. you couldn't even stick 1 finger in between the fender and the top of the tire.
so, yes, 18x8 +35 should be awesome. for tire size, maybe like a 225/40/18
Posted by: Shigexile Feb 11, 2009 - 12:56 AM
hey guys, a 17x7.5J at +35mm fit our lowered celica?
Posted by: whatthe Feb 11, 2009 - 1:04 AM
^ yeh that should fit fine, confirm with 6strings tho hehe
Posted by: Shigexile Feb 11, 2009 - 1:35 AM
okay thats what i thought because the first page said so but there are ppl asking if +40 offset works and its giving me second thoughts that +35 is not gonna fit... silly me
Posted by: celicaxcore Feb 12, 2009 - 4:18 PM
cool so um I'm car stupid, and I want to get a 17" for my ST. It has 15s stock, and is 7" wide, what offset would I get? My ride height is standard
Posted by: ej8ferio702 Mar 2, 2009 - 10:34 PM
ok guys i dont really know how to do the math to find out if the rims and tires im about to buy and install would look flush on my 94ST celica, ok first off i am lowered on df21o tanabe springs, 2.2 inch front and 1.5 inch rear, now im about to buy a 17x8 inch rims with 15 offset, what do you guys think? can somebody help? im looking to buy a set of rims just like the pic below
Posted by: Promasta Mar 2, 2009 - 11:48 PM
with the 15 offset your fronts will be sticking out ~15mm past the fender
cause i have 17x8 +32 and it is damn near flush in the front
Posted by: ej8ferio702 Mar 3, 2009 - 4:25 AM
cause i have 17x8 +32 and it is damn near flush in the front
sp what offset would fit flush perfect with with 17x8 size rims?
Posted by: whatthe Mar 3, 2009 - 5:04 AM
cause i have 17x8 +32 and it is damn near flush in the front
sp what offset would fit flush perfect with with 17x8 size rims?
+35 for fronts and probably +30 for rears
Posted by: trdproven Mar 3, 2009 - 6:51 AM
that would work as long as the car is not dropped too low or you camber the wheels a bit. or fender roll.
Posted by: 6strngs Mar 3, 2009 - 1:25 PM
it'll work without any of that. I have 17x8 +35 all around and there's still some room for something bigger in the rear. I've got tein s-techs btw.
something between a +25-30 would probably be best for the rear. or go with 17x8.5 with a +32-38 offset for the rear and the 17x8 +35 for the front.
Posted by: trdproven Mar 3, 2009 - 4:38 PM
Like i said without a drastic drop S-techs barely drop the car at all.
Posted by: Promasta Mar 3, 2009 - 5:42 PM
^^^this is true. looking at 6strngs' hi-res pic, the car is too high for me with the 225/45/17s and the teins
and if you wanted to drop it lower than that with that tire size the fenders would need to be rolled
which is why i think i'll do 215/45/17s on the 17x8 +32s
then get a set of ground-control sleeves made to match KYB shocks
then i can drop as low as possible until i start rubbing
Posted by: 6strngs Mar 3, 2009 - 11:54 PM
well, with the 8 inch wheel the 225/45 tire is kinda stretched (btw, 225 is the minimum width for an 8 inch wheel. a 215 is not recomended) and the tire actually is still fairly sucked in even though the face of the wheel is close to flush. even if I were lowered another inch, it could still stand to come out another 5mm or so.
Posted by: rj8807 Mar 15, 2009 - 11:49 PM
Eg.
From the first post its stated that +40 will look flush, anyone want to give me some advice?
good thread, but for the record, those 350z's are bagged. not coilovers.
in hawaii, the choose air-bag suspension over coilovers, especially the Z croud. press button, get slammed hottness. press button again, get semi-normal height which does not drag.
similar to the VW croud, only they guys who use coilovers dont get nearly as aggressive as the bagged VW's
Posted by: jordisonjr Apr 14, 2009 - 11:05 PM
Would an 18" x 8" rim with a 40 offset sit nicely in teh fenders without and spacers?
Posted by: BeefyT Apr 20, 2009 - 6:50 PM
this is prob a dumb questions but how do i know what offset i have? do i just measure from the wheel center line to the mounting surface? I have gramlights 57 16s if that helps....i wanna buy spacer so the front wheels look flush with the car and the rear to just slightly stick out...im planning on lowering with ground controls and i know im gonna have to roll my fenders.
Posted by: 6strngs Apr 20, 2009 - 8:34 PM
should be stamped somwhere on the back of the rim. ET is the offset. for example, if it reads "16x7JJ ET42" it means your rim is 16 inches tall, 7 inches wide, with a positive 42mm offset.
Posted by: BeefyT Apr 20, 2009 - 8:58 PM
should be stamped somwhere on the back of the rim. ET is the offset. for example, if it reads "16x7JJ ET42" it means your rim is 16 inches tall, 7 inches wide, with a positive 42mm offset.
Wow thanks man u were a great help...
Posted by: 6strngs Apr 20, 2009 - 9:17 PM
no problem
Posted by: BeefyT Apr 21, 2009 - 9:05 PM
my offset is 46 so how do i find out wat spacers i should get??? i want the front to be flush and the rear to stick out slightly.
Posted by: 6strngs Apr 23, 2009 - 10:25 AM
my offset is 46 so how do i find out wat spacers i should get??? i want the front to be flush and the rear to stick out slightly.
offset is relative to wheel width. for example, a 17x8 with a 46 offset will stick out further than a 17x7 with a 46 offset. In this example it would stick out half inch more (12.7mm) and would be half inch closer to your strut housing. The best thing you can do, if you've already got the wheels on the car, is just get a ruler or something and measure how much you want it to come out, then buy the appropriate size spacer. keep in mind you MUST use longer wheel studs with spacers. if you're getting 10mm spacers, than you need 10mm longer studs. some of the real big spacers like 1-inch spacers come with lug nuts that go on your stock studs, and then it has it's own studs. like this
Posted by: chode Apr 27, 2009 - 1:33 PM
the mags im looking for are 'drag dr19'
they are 17''x7.5'' i can have them in ether +45offset or +40offset
what do you think is best? and will i need spacer(hope not )
Posted by: 6strngs Apr 27, 2009 - 8:24 PM
they are 17''x7.5'' i can have them in ether +45offset or +40offset
what do you think is best? and will i need spacer(hope not
)go for the +40. You won't need spacers, but it'll make the wheels more flush with them.
Posted by: uncrck2 May 11, 2009 - 11:37 PM
Will 10mm Spacers fit on with out new studs or will i need new studs?
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Posted by: 6strngs May 12, 2009 - 9:41 AM
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you'll need studs 10mm longer than stock ones.
it's really not too hard to change out studs. You just remove the caliper and brake rotor (don't dissassemble the caliper, leave it all as one assembly) then using a big sledge hammer or something, beat the **** out of the studs until they come out, then put the new one through and put a fat washer or large nut over it, then screw the lug nut down onto it until it pulls the little "splines" at the end of the stud all the way into the hub. It's best to use an impact gun because you will have to tighten them REALLY tight to get the stud through. The proper procedure is to remove the hub and have them pressed in
Posted by: vi-tuyen May 17, 2009 - 12:44 PM
they are 17''x7.5'' i can have them in ether +45offset or +40offset
what do you think is best? and will i need spacer(hope not
)hi guys I just got he same style of rims. but my is 17x7.5 with 45 offset what size for the spacer to make it look good?
Posted by: Promasta May 17, 2009 - 2:09 PM
just so you guys know,
17x8 +32 with 215/45/17s and dropped 1.9"f and 1.4"r rubs bad, i'm destroying my tires.
Posted by: whatthe Jun 24, 2009 - 11:48 AM
Question, will 17x9 ET35 fit under the guards with a 3" drop?
Posted by: 99Celica Jul 5, 2009 - 12:31 PM
I'm looking at 17x8's w/ +35 and I'm thinking 235/40 Tires. Apparently they fit but will I have rubbing issues? I'm at stock height now but plan on a small drop in the future. 225/45's seem to fit as well, but I want a little wider tire if I can fit it.
Posted by: whatthe Jul 11, 2009 - 2:45 AM
Anyone running 18x9.5 ET35 with 255/35/18 slammed around 2.5-3" drop with guard rolled? Planning this for my future setup.
Posted by: trdproven Jul 29, 2009 - 8:23 AM
we need to relook the offsets and widths again because even 7.5" with a 32 offset is still tucked in and my drop is 3.something inch drop. does anyone have a 9 or 9.5 inch wheel deep dish or staggered style preferred like a rwd car?
Posted by: whatthe Jul 29, 2009 - 8:24 AM
Id like to see that too. I want that for my future setyup.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Jul 29, 2009 - 10:46 AM
Your wheels should tuck under the fender - otherwise your fender would destroy the tire, or they would stick out and would require a stupid amount of camber to get them to fit.
If you think you can go out more, go buy a 5mm spacer. You can go up to 8mm before you will need to think about getting extended studs.
So your options are a 3mm spacer (+29), 5mm (+27) or 8mm (+24). All of which will probably require you to roll your fenders or raise your car up (or both).
Posted by: 6strngs Jul 29, 2009 - 12:51 PM
IMO, you could MAYBE squeeze a 9"-9.5" wheel in the back, but I just don't see it happening in the front without hitting something like the suspension or the fender. a 9.5" ET35 wheel vs. a 8" ET35 wheel will extend 19mm (an inch is 25.4mm) outward, and extend 19mm toward the suspension. The wheel will definately stick out past the fender (in the front, it may stick out a little in the back too) and it may also hit the shock tower.
I honestly don't understand the point of putting a wheel that wide on there, this car isn't a 240sx... If you want it to have a RWD deep dish look to it, just get a lower offset. for example 18x8 ET32 in the front, and 18x8 ET22 in the back. And pick a wheel design with a lip. Some wheels with lower offsets just angle the spokes so the spokes are still towards the front of the wheel, if that makes sense? rolling the fenders will probably still be necessary.
one more thing, you may notice a lot of these cars with flush and wide wheels are running skinny tires and stretching them onto the wheels. I think this can make the wheel appear wider than it is, so maybe consider going with like a 205/45/18 or something.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Jul 29, 2009 - 1:09 PM
They're not stretching the tires to make the wheels look bigger, they do it because otherwise the fender would hit the tire. Stretched tires look bad on anything other than Euro cars - like a nice MKII vw GTi.
Posted by: SwissFerdi Jul 29, 2009 - 2:06 PM
No, they still look bad. Granted, not as terrible as on other cars, but I hate that look.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Jul 29, 2009 - 2:13 PM
Drool
You can't say that because the tires are stretched that you don't like this.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Jul 29, 2009 - 4:55 PM
If it wasnt raining like a crazy I would go do a photoshoot of my car.
However, you will have to go with my word for now.
17x8.5 +31 running 215/45 up front. I could fit a 17x9 or 9.5 up front. I just dont want to hassle with testing right now.
17x9.5 +23 running 235/45 in rear. (Flush as hell, fender roll needed)
Camber is at 0 both front and rear.
I am on Tein S-Techs right now. Will be swapping to K-sports in the next month to get rid of my fender gap.
Posted by: whatthe Jul 29, 2009 - 9:47 PM
^ Any more shots?
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Jul 29, 2009 - 10:13 PM
I am going to do a shoot tomorrow with it so long as it does not rain again. So I will post up a new thread in the multimedia section.
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Oct 5, 2009 - 5:33 PM
i know this is old... but would a 18 x 8 work better with a 37 offset or a 25 offset ? can anyone help me with this ? would a 19 x 8.5 be beter witha 45 offset ? helppp
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 5, 2009 - 5:47 PM
+45 is a no no.
37 would be a safe bet, but 25 would be hella flush.
My vote is +25.
Posted by: whatthe Oct 6, 2009 - 4:11 AM
+25 for sure
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 4:16 PM
8.5 wide et25 in the front will be close to flush. But it will fall short in the rear. 8.5 in the rear needs et10.
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Oct 6, 2009 - 4:45 PM
yeah but will 18x 8 .. +25 offset even fit on the celia ???? like if i order them will they fit and not come out too far ?
Posted by: freddy121389 Oct 6, 2009 - 5:06 PM
However, you will have to go with my word for now.
17x8.5 +31 running 215/45 up front. I could fit a 17x9 or 9.5 up front. I just dont want to hassle with testing right now.
17x9.5 +23 running 235/45 in rear. (Flush as hell, fender roll needed)
Camber is at 0 both front and rear.
I am on Tein S-Techs right now. Will be swapping to K-sports in the next month to get rid of my fender gap.
do you think i would need a fender roll if i have 9.5 35 offset in the rear?
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 6, 2009 - 5:13 PM
SoundSlut -
Yeah they'll fit. You will probably want to roll your fenders, but aren't you on air ride? You might not have to then.
Like Harold said (BTW - favorite user ever. Whole wealth of info on fitment) an 8.5" wide wheel at +25 would be close to flush, and will fit fine in the rear.
I'm going with 16x9 +25 wheels and on paper they're going to fit perfectly with my fenders rolled flat.
Freddy -
There was a guy from the Netherlands (I think) that hasn't been on in a while, but he had a 9.5" +35 wheel and he said he had to do some fender rolling, but otherwise he was fine.
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Oct 6, 2009 - 5:23 PM
25 at 8.5 yes but +25 at 8 will be fine too then ? mainly becuz i am going to go with the 18"
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 6, 2009 - 5:33 PM
You'll have 6mm more clearance on the inside between the rim and the strut, as well as sit 6mm more inside the fender with an 8" wide wheel than an 8.5" wide wheel at a +25 offset.
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Oct 6, 2009 - 5:38 PM
You'll have 6mm more clearance on the inside between the rim and the strut, as well as sit 6mm more inside the fender with an 8" wide wheel than an 8.5" wide wheel at a +25 offset.
so basically a 18 x 8 25 offset will fit and look good? or flush for that matter
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Oct 6, 2009 - 5:55 PM
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Hold your horses people.
One thing that everyone forgets when talking about offset is that it is relative to the width of the wheel. 25mm on an 8 inch rim could be TOTALLY different than 25mm on another width of rim.
That being said, 25mm on an 8 inch rim is not a good idea for a lowered vehicle. The lower the offset number on the same width rim, the further it will stick out of the wheel well... From the measurements I was given by slowrider and jgreening a few years ago 40mm is recommended for lowered vehicles. 25mm will stick out almost an inch further and you'll almost certainly have clearance issues with the rear fender. I doubt you'll want to take a risk with your paint job trying to roll your fenders to get them to clear...
Someone mentioned air ride as well... How much larger/smaller are the bags compared to the normal spring/strut combo? If they're larger this is all a moot point and I'd recommend trying some wheels on before making a purchase.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 6, 2009 - 6:15 PM
No one is saying that it isn't relative to wheel width, but do the math, a .5" reduction from a wheel will be .25" from each side of the centerline. .25" = 6.35mm, or just 6mm. Now, with an offset of +25 on an 8" wide wheel means that of the 203mm of width (8", keep up.), 126.5mm is behind the mounting surface, and 76.5mm is in front.
If you do the math on paper, and then measure your distance from your mounting area out to the fender and in to the strut you'll be able to see if it fits. Which it will.
Posted by: Promasta Oct 6, 2009 - 6:27 PM
haha you know if you put a 16x9 on a celica you'll have to stretch
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 6, 2009 - 6:33 PM
I'll clarify when I get home. I'm not linking pictures from my cell phone.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 6, 2009 - 7:04 PM
This is what I am talking about when I refer to "stretch". There is a certain amount that is fine. Such as Harold's tires. My tires won't be stretched much.
This = bad
This = good
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 7:19 PM
It will be close to flush in the front. This would be your best bet. As for the rear, you need a spacer if you want +25 all around. 20mm spacer would make the rears flush. You will have crazy strut clearance with 8in wide wheels at this offset as well.
One thing that everyone forgets when talking about offset is that it is relative to the width of the wheel. 25mm on an 8 inch rim could be TOTALLY different than 25mm on another width of rim.
That being said, 25mm on an 8 inch rim is not a good idea for a lowered vehicle. The lower the offset number on the same width rim, the further it will stick out of the wheel well... From the measurements I was given by slowrider and jgreening a few years ago 40mm is recommended for lowered vehicles. 25mm will stick out almost an inch further and you'll almost certainly have clearance issues with the rear fender. I doubt you'll want to take a risk with your paint job trying to roll your fenders to get them to clear...
Someone mentioned air ride as well... How much larger/smaller are the bags compared to the normal spring/strut combo? If they're larger this is all a moot point and I'd recommend trying some wheels on before making a purchase.
Cool your jets champ.
et40 looks like **** no matter how you run it. Go look at my post in this thread on my wheel fitment. I have no rubbing issues what so ever and have my Camber set at 0. The whole, lowered cars use this offset and stock height use this is a bunch of crap. I may actually make a proper fitment guide tonight on wheel sizes and what is actually flush. (Flush does not mean, still sinks inside the fender, that would be sunk.)
As for soundslut, we already know the width and offset. Therefore, we do not have to randomly guess what would be flush.
Now. As for Fender rolling. The fronts are pretty much rolled for you from the factory. You can crush the plastic in a bit if needed, but I found they were rolled enough to not cause any issues. The rears need a good roll. I flattened the lip and that is all. I DID NOT pull my fenders at all to make my wheels fit.
Yes. Just roll the inside lip, dont worry about pulling the fender though.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Oct 6, 2009 - 7:28 PM
I used measurements from two people's cars and deduced the best offset/width combonations from the information they provided. If 40mm offset on an eight inch rim is what clears with no modification that's what I'll suggest. If you think it'll work even though it sticks out almost a whole inch than what has been proven I hope you're sure cause I'd hate for him to be out several hundred dollars.
No need to be a douche about it either. I don't have a whole lot of time anymore to read the forums and last I looked at this thread a few months ago the relation to wheel width wasn't being considered in some peoples suggestions.
Considering the stretch of the sidewall, how much comfort do you want to give up to get a flush rim. The more you stretch an already lower profile tire the more harsh the ride will be... it's very possible to fit all sorts of offsets with tires having sidewalls stretched to the max. I'm pretty sure the people I got my info from weren't using anywhere near that stretched of a tire.
Posted by: Tom_SS2 Oct 6, 2009 - 7:53 PM
so was going to buy some H&R spacers on friday, 10mm on each wheel, currently have an offset of ET38 on a 17x7 rim, you think this going to ok? effectively the offset would become ET28, i'm lowered on Tein S.Techs so its not on a mega drop
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 8:03 PM
you will have plenty of space for the wheel to sink inside the fender. You will be about 18mm shy of being flush.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 8:06 PM
No need to be a douche about it either. I don't have a whole lot of time anymore to read the forums and last I looked at this thread a few months ago the relation to wheel width wasn't being considered in some peoples suggestions.
Considering the stretch of the sidewall, how much comfort do you want to give up to get a flush rim. The more you stretch an already lower profile tire the more harsh the ride will be... it's very possible to fit all sorts of offsets with tires having sidewalls stretched to the max. I'm pretty sure the people I got my info from weren't using anywhere near that stretched of a tire.
What I am say is try fitting a et53 9in wide wheel on our car as noted by your original calculations. It wont even come close to bolting up because the tire will have to go through the strut.
Yes, I realize your calculations are so people still have plenty of clearance for their sunk wheels. That is fine, in my world, it looks dumb. So in about 20 minutes I will post up the flush offset calculations.
As per low profile tires. I am running 45 series all the way around. I am not trying to be a douche. I am pointing out that the original calculations, which I realized are yours now that I went and looked are not right through and through.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 8:37 PM
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=69919
You can go there for Flush Fitment Guide.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 6, 2009 - 8:42 PM
My hero.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 8:47 PM
I just added a bit on adapters as well.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Oct 6, 2009 - 10:14 PM
Yes, I realize your calculations are so people still have plenty of clearance for their sunk wheels. That is fine, in my world, it looks dumb. So in about 20 minutes I will post up the flush offset calculations.
English must not be your first language because it says right there next to it in my first post that it probably won't fit.
FOR THE REAR WHEELS ONLY **You need to roll your fenders for all of these.
As for tires, I highly suggest you run 45 series tires and I HIGHLY recommend Falken 512s. They handle stretching very well.
These numbers will make your wheel flush with the body. If you want to wheel to poke then run a lower offset then I have listed. This in turn means you need to run a smaller diameter tire and some negative camber.
Spacers:
For those of you who need a 25mm spacer or larger for your look. I suggest A-Dapt-It USA (http://adaptitusa.com/) or Motorsport Technologies (http://www.motorsport-tech.com/)
The A-Dapt-It's will be cheaper and will be lug centric. Motorsport Tech can make you hubcentric to hubcentric adapters which are double the cost of A-Dapt-It's. Either choice is fine, I run lug centric and so do plenty of other people. Toyota still ships cars off the assembly line with lug centric wheels. Don't let the scare tactics of hubcentric or die mess with your head. With lug centric you just need to tighten your lugnuts in the standard star pattern starting from the top.
You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.
If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 6, 2009 - 10:40 PM
If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.
What do you truly know about cars? Honestly.
Most people on this forum fall into the category of: I believe what I read on the internet when it comes to all this car stuff. You realize lug centric and hub centric are just there to center your wheel. You do realize this right. Because from what I gather you seem to think that a small plastic ring shoved between your wheel and your hub will somehow make your parts 100x better. And that should something go wrong my hub ring will bear the weight of my wheel so my studs are not ripped out. Seriously, is this what you believe?
I have been running Lug centric for over 80,000 miles now. Holy crap, nothing and I mean nothing has gone wrong. Oh my.....
and for the record. It is called a wheel. Not a rim.
And yes, I will go make my own thread. Good day sir, I said good day.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Oct 6, 2009 - 11:05 PM
If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.
What do you truly know about cars? Honestly.
Most people on this forum fall into the category of: I believe what I read on the internet when it comes to all this car stuff. You realize lug centric and hub centric are just there to center your wheel. You do realize this right. Because from what I gather you seem to think that a small plastic ring shoved between your wheel and your hub will somehow make your parts 100x better. And that should something go wrong my hub ring will bear the weight of my wheel so my studs are not ripped out. Seriously, is this what you believe?
I have been running Lug centric for over 80,000 miles now. Holy crap, nothing and I mean nothing has gone wrong. Oh my.....
and for the record. It is called a wheel. Not a rim.
And yes, I will go make my own thread. Good day sir, I said good day.
You just don't get it.
Posted by: Tom_SS2 Oct 7, 2009 - 3:53 AM
mines a daily driver and I often carry birds in the back and stuff in the boot so can't have rubbing nor do I want to roll the arches.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 7, 2009 - 3:21 PM
I DD mine as well. I lug junk all the time in my trunk, anything from my bike, to golf equipment, computer junk, mulch or sandbags, etc.
Posted by: 95CelicaST Oct 7, 2009 - 11:15 PM
To reinforce 40mm being doggy doo doo on a lowered car, this is my first Celica on 17x7 et42. 2mm away from the magical number. Lowered on Ground Control coilovers. You can see just how sunk in the wheels are by the shadow the fenders are casting.
Posted by: SwissFerdi Oct 7, 2009 - 11:32 PM
^ You think that's sunk in?
I think these rims are too skinny to look good with spacers anyway.
Posted by: OOBE Oct 7, 2009 - 11:43 PM
You don't wanna see how sunk in my Enkei RS-6 wheels are in my Celica. 
I bought them online without even knowing about wheels. Being young and stupid hurts you sometimes. I still have them...seven years later, LOL.
Posted by: WannabeGT4 Oct 8, 2009 - 12:16 AM
OMG I give up...
7" wide should be 30mm offset with a 15mm spacer (effectively 15mm of offset)
You're off by a whole inch that's why it looks so sunk in... Also why I keep re-iterating the importance of taking the width of the rim into consideration when considering offset.
Posted by: Con99vert Oct 15, 2009 - 12:36 PM
I am looking at some 18x7 Konigs with a +45 offset I think I will probably have to get different tires since it has 225/45/18 installed now, but will the rims work? I do not want them sticking out past the fenders. I dont mind putting a small spacer to get them to sit more flush, but I dont want them to rub on anything either. 
Posted by: 6strngs Oct 15, 2009 - 2:22 PM
look at the picture of the black gar with gold wheels a couple posts above yours... yours will be 3mm MORE sunked in than that!
Posted by: Con99vert Oct 15, 2009 - 2:47 PM
It looks like I am going to need some spacers. I am just wondering if the 225/45/18 tires will fit or rub. I would like to lower it too, but worried about rubbing with the larger tires when lowered.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 15, 2009 - 7:07 PM
Mount one on the front and then the rear. Best way to see what can possibly rub. Probably need a 5mm spacer though.
Posted by: mk7celica Oct 15, 2009 - 11:56 PM
I am confused so much info coming from alot of people. I am about to buy some rims. They are pretty expensive so I dont want to get the wrong setup.
My car is lowered 2 inches. The rims I am looking at are 17 inch with a 35 offset and they are 8 inches wide. Will these work without a spacer?
Posted by: Promasta Oct 16, 2009 - 9:58 AM
My car is lowered 2 inches. The rims I am looking at are 17 inch with a 35 offset and they are 8 inches wide. Will these work without a spacer?
you won't need a spacer, trust me, i have 17x8 +32 and was lowered 2 inches
rubbing will depend on the tire size, with 225/45/17 you will rub in the front when steering wheel is cranked
in the rear you will hit the fender lip if you do sharp turn and have body roll OR hit a big bump
with a 215/45/17 it shouldn't rub ever, but depends on what brand of tire.
Posted by: 6strngs Oct 16, 2009 - 10:17 AM
My car is lowered 2 inches. The rims I am looking at are 17 inch with a 35 offset and they are 8 inches wide. Will these work without a spacer?
I had 17x8 with a 35 offset, lowered on tein s-techs. They fit great without a spacer! only rubbing I ever had was in the front on full-lock steering with my 225/45/17 tires
Posted by: mk7celica Oct 16, 2009 - 7:52 PM
Rims i just got
35 offset 17x8 i am glad they will fit cause I just bought them. I will run a p215 so I dont have to worry about rubbing.
My old rims are 42 offset so these should be closer to the fender?
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 17, 2009 - 1:29 AM
Yes they will be closer to flush then what you had.
Posted by: BonzaiCelica Oct 24, 2009 - 12:21 AM
oh ok well i already understood the difference in offsets. I know that +35 offset will fit on the celica just fine even when i decide to buy megan coilovers and drop 2.5-3 inches i should be fine, right TRD....
ok now my question is this when manufactures determine wheel offset. is the center hub closer to the center/middle of the rim or do they make the center hub deep. im not making any sense am I... I mean some rims have that sucked in look and others have a flat look. Lets say that you compare a Advan RCII wheel that has +45 vs +35 offset. Will one rim have that sucked in look over the other, like the rim has a bowl look to it.....
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 24, 2009 - 9:06 PM
The lower the offset if the wheel is designed for the sunk/bowl look then it will have it. Some wheels no matter what your offset will maintain the same look. If you want the bowl look then the lower offset will give this.
35 offset is 35 no matter what wheel you buy.
Posted by: Promasta Oct 24, 2009 - 10:07 PM
it is called concave
i have yet to see a deep concave wheel on a 6gc
its an amazing look tho, i would rather have huge concave than a huge lip
really the only 5x100 wheels i have found with huge concave are the 17x9 +30 rota torques
but i don't want to be the first one to do 17x9s in the front
so if i can sell my wheels i have now i'll run staggered, 17x8 +35s in the front (with flat face) and 17x9 +30s in rear (deep concave)
i've seen this look on some s2000s, pretty awesome
Posted by: Promasta Oct 24, 2009 - 10:19 PM
Advan RCIIs are beautiful, but discontinued. There was a used set of 5x100 17x8.5 +45s going for $1200 a couple months ago. They have a bit of concave as seen here.
Lower offset allows for a deeper concave or larger lip, but as Harold said, it depends on the manufacturer, with companies like Work or 5zigen, 7-8" wide will have flat face, 8.5-9" will have semi-concave, 9-9.5" will have deep concave, so it depends more on width, not offset.
Posted by: whatthe Oct 24, 2009 - 10:29 PM
so if i can sell my wheels i have now i'll run staggered, 17x8 +35s in the front (with flat face) and 17x9 +30s in rear (deep concave)
i've seen this look on some s2000s, pretty awesome
Well harold has like 9" or 9.5" at the front, if your worried about anything...
Posted by: Promasta Oct 25, 2009 - 12:23 AM
harold has 8.5
don't think anyone has done 9 front
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Oct 25, 2009 - 1:49 AM
I did 9.5 up front as a test run with my rears to see if I liked the lip or not. I plan to change spacers and run et23 offset upfront or possibly et15.
You will rarely see a concave wheel set on a celica since nobody wants to run higher than 8s all around with high offsets.
If I truly gave a crap I would buy a set of TE37s in 9.5 front and 10.5 or 11.5 in the rear for the celica. But I am trying to get a project FC or FD going so I really dont want to keep dumping money in this car. It is my DD so I am trying to not make it look to outrageous for theft purposes. But I am considering a future turbo setup just to make my commute a bit more fun.
I know this is what you are looking for in the end. But as you can see, you need quite a low offset for it.
Posted by: BonzaiCelica Oct 27, 2009 - 1:41 AM
ya i love those advan rcII i plan on getting those in 16x7 in white or gold. Anybody know how much they weigh??
now my question is this. I know that sti's and evo's have high offset. Why is that. So if we put low offset wheels on our car they will clear our brake calipers right?? what the offset on a gt-4????
Posted by: 96stgreendemon Nov 12, 2009 - 2:25 PM
ok question, i have 03 gts rims on an st, what space will make them look flush?
Posted by: 95CelicaST Nov 12, 2009 - 2:36 PM
Go find the flush wheel fitment thread. I believe 7th gen GTS wheels are 6.5" wide at +39.
Flush front wheels at 6.5" is 0mm, so you'll need a 39mm spacer.
Rear flushness at 6.5" is -15mm, so you'll need a 54mm spacer.
And good luck with that. Flush 6.5" wheels will look silly. You need more width than that.
Posted by: SwissFerdi Nov 12, 2009 - 2:52 PM
Plus...isn't it pretty much impossible to run a 54 mm spacer?
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Nov 18, 2009 - 1:31 AM
lol, no its not. Just over 2 inches. I dunno if I would really want to run that though. Definitely feel the wear and tear on the car quicker.
I wouldn't go much beyond a 1.5 inch spacer.
So pretty much, buy a 7.5in wide wheel to start with if you want it flush.
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Nov 19, 2009 - 5:31 PM
hey i am looking at these wheels
19x8.5 5x100/114.3 45 offset
will the 8.5 width fit in the front and rear?
and also how big of a spacer do i BUY to put on ?
thanks for the help
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Nov 19, 2009 - 6:22 PM
19x8.5 5x100/114.3 45 offset
will the 8.5 width fit in the front and rear?
and also how big of a spacer do i BUY to put on ?
thanks for the help
Front
8.5" ---------- et+27mm
Rear
8.5" ---------- et+10mm
so you need 45-27= 18mm spacer for flush in front
45-10 = 35mm spacer in rear for flush
Posted by: Promasta Nov 19, 2009 - 6:26 PM
19x8.5 5x100/114.3 45 offset
will the 8.5 width fit in the front and rear?
and also how big of a spacer do i BUY to put on ?
thanks for the help
don't think anyone has done 19x8.5 in the front, but it should work with a 215/35/19. for spacers you'd want 15mm front and 30mm rear if you want it flush.
Posted by: schmooot Dec 1, 2009 - 11:04 AM
what about 16x6.5" and ET39, With a test fit I've concluded that a 10mm spacer will be enough to clear my gt4 calipers but if I'm getting spacers and longer studs anyways I may as well make it flush with the fender right?
Posted by: Penkka Dec 2, 2009 - 3:57 AM
Heya,
gettin new rims in the spring, and Ive been thinking that 17" and 7,5" or 8" width should be ok for me..
what ET should I be looking for a flush look?
The car is lowered on Tein-springs.
And it should also be able to cope with the gt4 monster calipers.
and I really wouldn´t like to use spacers..!
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Dec 2, 2009 - 1:10 PM
gettin new rims in the spring, and Ive been thinking that 17" and 7,5" or 8" width should be ok for me..
what ET should I be looking for a flush look?
The car is lowered on Tein-springs.
And it should also be able to cope with the gt4 monster calipers.
and I really wouldn´t like to use spacers..!
look at the link in my sig to the flush wheel guide. It will answer both of your questions.
Posted by: jordisonjr Feb 22, 2010 - 2:14 PM
I was looking at these set of Konig Lace rims, 18x8 with a 45 offset, the car is lowerd on tiens s techs. I read the the guide and I'm pretty sure these will fit, but does anyone know what size tire would work? I was thinking a 225/40/18 tire, can anyone give me some input on this?
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Feb 22, 2010 - 5:57 PM
so guys srpings almost here , 19 x 8.5 front and rear will fit without modification? anyone know?
Posted by: GriffGirl Feb 22, 2010 - 10:48 PM
That's a close one, I dunno if that'll clear the front fenders w/out rolling them. IIRC 19x8 will fit up front, but I dunno for sure about 8.5
Posted by: babi_boi Feb 27, 2010 - 9:10 PM
Ok so I got some new wheels. They are 17 x 7.0. If I am understanding this correctly, in order for my wheels to be flush, I need (7.0"-----30mm with 15mm spacer (effectively 15mm) *) a 15mm wheel spacer. I went to our local part store and the only wheel spacers they have are 7.94mm. So I was wondering if it would be ok if I bought 2 of the 7.94mm and put them together on each wheel. (safe wise) I know it will be 15.88mm if i do that, .88mm more than needed. But will it be safe if i put 2 wheel spacers on 1 wheel. Thanks in advanced for any responces, Sorry if this is a stupid question.
Posted by: 6strngs Mar 9, 2010 - 12:53 AM
what are the offset of the wheels you have? It says you need a 30mm offset wheel with a 15mm spacer which effectively makes your wheel into a 15mm offset, but a 17x7 with a 30mm offset isn't exactly common.
anyway, you might be able to get away with running two spacers, but to be honest, I wouldn't do it, just in case. Just get some proper spacers and don't risk it. You also need extended wheel studs to run spacers btw.
Posted by: babi_boi Mar 9, 2010 - 8:52 AM
Ok thanks for the respond. This might be a stupid question, but how do you find out what the off set is? On the reciept I got with the wheels, it says (CUSTOM 17" 5-100/114 DC024 CH) with tire size being 215/45/17 ATG. Does that mean anything for the off set? Or how do I find out what the offset is?
Posted by: schmooot Mar 9, 2010 - 10:20 AM
The offset is stamped on the inside of the rim itself...usually one of the spokes, it will say ET45 JJ or something like that
Posted by: 6strngs Mar 9, 2010 - 10:38 AM
yep. should be stamped somewhere on the wheel on the back of the spoke or something. It'll say 17x7 JJ ET## or something similar. The ET # is the offset.
Posted by: babi_boi Mar 9, 2010 - 12:47 PM
Ok so I check my wheel but was not sure if I read the print right, so I called the company I got the wheels from and gave them the invoice number. They said the wheels are a positive 40 offset. So they are 17x7.0 with a positive 40 offset. I did not see those numbers on the chart. Can somebody help me find out what wheel spacer I need to have the wheels sit flush with the body lines?
Posted by: 6strngs Mar 9, 2010 - 3:40 PM
well, for the same 15 mm offset you were trying to achieve, you would need a 25mm, or 1 inch spacer. for a lowered car it calls for a 26mm offset, which you would want a 14mm spacer for, but they don't make those so I would go with a 15mm.
To be honest though, I would just run them without spacers for the time being, then measure how much you want it to come out for your ideal look and buy spacers of that size.
Posted by: babi_boi Mar 9, 2010 - 4:59 PM
Ok thank you for the help.
Posted by: MrAyasli Mar 9, 2010 - 6:21 PM
Kuro Intake Size - 17X7.0
I was thinking of buying these for my car would they sink in or be flush?/www.tempetyres.com.au/content/products/SM_090.jpg)
Sorry for the noobie question lol.
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Mar 9, 2010 - 6:45 PM
I was thinking of buying these for my car would they sink in or be flush?
Sorry for the noobie question lol.
What is the offset? Wheel width means nothing without offset specs. You need less than a 32 to make it look good.
Posted by: MrAyasli Mar 9, 2010 - 6:53 PM
+40 offset
so they will sink in?
Posted by: babi_boi Mar 9, 2010 - 7:01 PM
I was thinking of buying these for my car would they sink in or be flush?
Sorry for the noobie question lol.
I just had pretty much the same question. You have to find out what the offset of the wheel is. If you have the wheels in your possesion, the offset quote unquote by 6strngs: "should be stamped somewhere on the wheel on the back of the spoke or something. It'll say 17x7 JJ ET## or something similar. The ET # is the offset." After you find out what the offset is, There is a chart on page one of this post. if you still cant figure it out, ask someone on this post and somebody will help you. They did me.
If you have not ordered the wheels yet, when you call on them to get a price or put the order through, ask them what the offsset is. Then refer to the chart or ask again for help.Sorry he beat me to it. Yes they will sink in. That is the same offset as my wheels.
Posted by: schmooot Mar 16, 2010 - 11:34 PM
look at the link in my sig to the flush wheel guide. It will answer both of your questions.
I did and I'm still having troubles understanding. According to the chart
Width ---------- Offset (et)
6.0" ---------- et-5mm
6.5" ---------- et 0mm
7.0" ---------- et+10mm
7.5" ---------- et+15mm
8.0" ---------- et+22mm
8.5" ---------- et+27mm
9.0" ---------- et+33mm (you will be cutting it close with the strut. May need to start running negative camber at this point)
9.5" ---------- et+40mm (you will be cutting it close with the strut. Probably need to start running negative camber at this point)
10.0" ---------- et+45mm (At this point, you will need negative camber, a good fender pull and probably better off with a +35ish offset and going with wide fenders.)
10.5" ---------- et+50mm (At this point, you will need negative camber, a good fender pull and probably better off with a +35ish offset and going with wide fenders.)
FOR THE REAR WHEELS ONLY **You need to roll your fenders for all of these.
Width ---------- Offset (et)
6.0" ---------- et-20mm
6.5" ---------- et-15mm
7.0" ---------- et-8mm
7.5" ---------- et-2mm
8.0" ---------- et+5mm
8.5" ---------- et+10mm
9.0" ---------- et+18mm
9.5" ---------- et+23mm
10.0" ---------- et+30mm (Will start to cut it close with the strut. Negative camber may be needed. My best guess is you will be alright)
10.5" ---------- et+36mm (At this point, you will probably hit strut. Negative camber is needed. Probably would want to run a lower offset and just pull the crap out of your rear fender to make it tuck.)
If I am reading your chart correctly it states that if I have a 6.5" wheel with ET+39 I would need a 39mm spacer in the front to make it flush essentially right? and for the rear would be 54mm?
That seems like a rather large spacer.
My confusion comes from this
that is a 16x6.5" wheel ET+39 with a 12mm spacer on the front of my car...it appears to me that a 10mm spacer would be almost perfect....39 would be ridiculous.
subsequently here is the same wheel with 15mm on the back
seems to me like another <10mm would be a flush fit back there
Please tell me where I am misreading your chart or is my math just out to lunch?
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Mar 18, 2010 - 10:58 AM
Well, with the 6.5 you are running a standard fitting tire so the numbers will be different with you. If what you have works and you are keeping the wheel/tire combo then adjust it to what you think it needs. My numbers are coming from a stretched tire which gives you a narrower profile. You have tire bulge right now with the sidewalls making up some of the distance. I would venture that if you took off the tire and just put the wheel on the car it would need the extra mm to make it work.
Stick a ruler down there and see what your distance will be.
I have never tried to flush up 6.5J so my chart is just me doing number crunching and back tracking from what my current set up is.
Posted by: schmooot Mar 18, 2010 - 11:17 AM
makes sense.....I'll do some measuring
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Mar 19, 2010 - 3:11 PM
OK, this si my final question... im Buying 19x 8.5 +45 ... WILL THE 8.5 FIT?! (esp in front? ) ????????????????????? HELP
Posted by: Harold_Fastwaker Mar 21, 2010 - 12:38 PM
I don't think 45 offset will clear your strut housing. But I honestly do not know.
Posted by: jordisonjr Mar 21, 2010 - 1:32 PM
I was looking at these set of Konig Lace rims, 18x8 with a 45 offset, the car is lowerd on tiens s techs. I read the the guide and I'm pretty sure these will fit, but does anyone know what size tire would work? I was thinking a 225/40/18 tire, can anyone give me some input on this?
Posted by: Promasta Mar 21, 2010 - 1:50 PM
that is a good tire size, but a 45 offset is too high, it is meant for subarus. You are going to rub on the plastics in the front while turning. Someone claimed he had no rubbing with 225/40/18s on 18x8 +37s and lowered on tein springs. So you could get 10 or 15mm spacers and be good to go. Or go with a 215/40/18 tire and there would be less chance of rubbing.
Posted by: jordisonjr Mar 22, 2010 - 12:16 PM
so you think 18x8 witha 45 offset would fit with a 10 or 15 mm spacer with 215 40 18 tire? Is it alrigth if it rubs on the plastic a bit? cause its really not gunna cause too much damage is it? as long as it isn't rubbing the fender? thanks
Posted by: SwissFerdi Mar 22, 2010 - 1:15 PM
Yeah, rubbing the wheel well lining won't hurt much. I do so occasionally.
Posted by: jordisonjr Mar 22, 2010 - 1:41 PM
Is there any damage to your tires? or has the wheel well liner ripped out or worn down at all?
Posted by: SwissFerdi Mar 22, 2010 - 1:45 PM
Honestly, I have not checked. It's very minor. I don't care about my tires at this moment since they're ripe for replacing, so I haven't taken a look at those either. I would imagine that the wheel liner takes more of a beating than the tires, but it shouldn't be much of a concern.
Posted by: schmooot Mar 22, 2010 - 5:29 PM
I rub the wheel liner as well as the control arm with my tires on my 4runner every time I turn sharp left. Over time it has rubbed a hole through the liner and polished a small spot on the arm but no real wear on the tires that I can notice (although they are quite knobby)
Posted by: MacgibaS2 Apr 4, 2010 - 2:31 PM
i've got a question.. +42 offset 225/40/18x7.5" TRD wheels with a 2 inch drop all around
what size spacers would i need to be perfectly flushed front and back?
-Mac
Posted by: Promasta Apr 4, 2010 - 3:17 PM
marco's 18x8 +15s are perfect. so to look like his your 18x7.5's would need a 30mm spacer. but the largest i would go would be a 25mm H&R Trak+ spacer.
Posted by: MacgibaS2 Apr 4, 2010 - 4:09 PM
awesome.. 25mm spacers will be flush with the 2 inch drop? just want to confirm before purchase.
also, did Marco roll fenders?
Posted by: Promasta Apr 4, 2010 - 6:06 PM
well everyone's definition of flush is different. but ya with 25mm spacers your wheels would be a bit more sucked in than marcos. I presume he rolled the fenders, otherwise he would hit the fender lip with the tire over every bump and even due to body roll.
Posted by: MacgibaS2 Apr 4, 2010 - 7:09 PM
who knows.. might just roll my fenders to install 25 or 30mm spacers and see how my car will looked slammed with 18 TRDs in black
Posted by: terbear4god4life Apr 11, 2010 - 2:35 PM
i have 38offset 17x7 enkie's will a 6mm spacer sit pretty flush in the rear?? i know id have too roll the fender...
Posted by: Penkka Apr 11, 2010 - 3:17 PM
Id say its not enough, I have 17x8 in every corner..
Posted by: terbear4god4life Apr 11, 2010 - 3:18 PM
Id say its not enough, I have 17x8 in every corner..
what would be the perfect spacers for front and back i have camber bolts if that helps??
Posted by: Promasta Apr 11, 2010 - 8:43 PM
to be as flush as marco you would need a 36 mm spacer. but the highest i would get would be 25 mm. you really need a wider wheel for it to look good, either 17x8 or even 17x8.5. i have 17x8 +32 and they are fairly sucked in.
Posted by: terbear4god4life Apr 13, 2010 - 7:24 PM
what offset for front and back do i need like 20mm spacer for the rear and 15mm for the front?
that makes the rear=18
and makes the front=23
will that sit flush??
Posted by: Promasta Apr 13, 2010 - 8:14 PM
Depends on your definition of flush.
For true flush fitment you would need 28 mm spacers in the front and 46 mm in the rear.
A 15 mm spacer in the front and 20 mm in the rear will look a lot better then what you have now, but will still be sunken, very similar to my wheels.
Posted by: terbear4god4life Apr 13, 2010 - 8:36 PM
For true flush fitment you would need 28 mm spacers in the front and 46 mm in the rear.
A 15 mm spacer in the front and 20 mm in the rear will look a lot better then what you have now, but will still be sunken, very similar to my wheels.
in the back i am an inch from being completely flushed with my camber set prob around 1.5
in the front i am about a half inch away
its 25mm in a inch so wont 20mm only be 5mm away from being completely flushed??
my rims are enkie rs6's they are 7"width
Posted by: Promasta Apr 13, 2010 - 8:44 PM
ya i am getting those numbers from the flush wheel thread but that is with stretched tires.
are you still running different sized tires front and rear?
i don't know if you know about the offset calculator. i use this one: http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
17x7 +18 will extend 1 mm more than my 17x8 +32s. And mine are really sunk with 215/45/17 tires.
Posted by: terbear4god4life Apr 13, 2010 - 9:10 PM
my rears are 215/45/17
my front are 205/40/17
idk how it works lol
my tires are not stretched but from what i measure i should have 5mm gap on the rear
Posted by: GriffGirl Apr 14, 2010 - 5:07 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and jump in here, I'm still running my winter tires but plan to put my summer wheels/tires back on this week.
I've got König Incident 17x7, 225/45/17 tires, lowered on TRD springs about an inch and a half. I looked on line and it seems all the König 17x7s run a 40mm offset. I've read through this entire thread and am still unsure of myself.
So according to the guide on page 1, does that mean I would need 14mm spacers to achieve effectively 26mm offset? Thanks!
Posted by: Promasta Apr 14, 2010 - 5:50 PM
yes, 14 mm spacers will give you a 26 mm offset, which will look a lot better than 40 mm offset.
Posted by: terbear4god4life Apr 14, 2010 - 8:17 PM
what offset is perfectly flush with 17x7 rims? front and back??
Posted by: BonzaiCelica Oct 31, 2010 - 4:19 PM
well I just put some yokohama s drive 205/45R16 tires on my 16x7 Motegi FF7 with +42 offset. Before I had 225/50R16 toyo proxes and the tires didnt look that sucked in. Now they do with the smaller size tires. I do not want to get extended wheel studs. I know I will not need to buy extended wheel studs with 5mm spacers. How about 8mm or 10mm spacers, will I need extended wheel studs. I don't plan on keeping these rims for much longer, but only for another 6 months or so. I plan on getting oz racing ultra ht that come in 16x7 with +35 offset.
also what brand should I buy and what brands should I avoid. Our center bore is 54.1mm right, for both gt and st celica's???
What to do, can anybody tell me if I'll need extended wheel studs for 8mm or 10mm spacers??
Posted by: Promasta Oct 31, 2010 - 8:00 PM
yes, you need extended studs for anything over 5 mm
Posted by: BonzaiCelica Oct 31, 2010 - 8:31 PM
OK I will be getting 10mm in front and 10 mm in the rear if possible. I just measured my front and rear bore size and they are at 54.1mm for my ST celica. Does the GT celica have the same size bore??? Do all 10mm spacer and up come with extended wheel studs??
Posted by: BonzaiCelica Nov 3, 2010 - 9:26 PM
alright so I bought some 10MM Version 1 Ichiba Wheel Spacers off ebay for $230 shipped to my house. I have a bit of concern:
1. One of the boxes came packaged slightly different. One of the boxes only had tape on the front side of the box while the other box had tape on all 3 sides of the box. 2nd one of the box came with a set of bronze colored studs while the other came with gold color studs and the gold colored studs are shorter by 2.4mm. One of the box came with the bronze studs in a white box while the other box came with the studs in a plastic bag all by itself. 2 different sized bags for the different colored studs. As to why I have to different lengths of studs and as to why they are different colors different quality??? I have no clue? I already contacted the seller with pics of the studs which are my main concern
Should I install these spacers with the longer studs in the front, the bronze ones that look more durable and the gold shorter studs in the rears? I measured the spacers and the center and everything else matches up except 2 of the spacers are a different shade of silver. Should I really be that skeptical about these or what??
Posted by: Fate Feb 26, 2011 - 11:06 PM
Need quick help.
Rims are 17x8 offset 35.
Ideally i would want 225/45/17 tires on the rims.
Currently there are 245/40/17 tires on the rims with good thread.
Will i have a problem running these tires? Need to know before 4pm tomorrow. Thank you
Posted by: block Feb 27, 2011 - 11:28 AM
You will be fine as long as you're not slammed. IMO, highest i'd go would be 235. I know these two cars are different but I will be running 235-45-17 (front) and 245-45-17 (Rear) for my 17x8 fn01HV on my is300 with 1" drop. IMO, 17x8 with offset of 30-35 looks awesome without using spacers. GL
Posted by: Fate Feb 27, 2011 - 7:08 PM
Thanks block, anyone else have input to add?
Posted by: SoundSlut_dotcom Apr 25, 2011 - 5:52 AM
Ok, first off I hope all is well with everyone on the site.. I have been soo busy of late I haven't had time for anything! The celica hasn't been out in over two summers.. ( I know I know) .. I do plan to do some more mods and take it out this summer for sure! Anyway need your guys help and opinion,, I'm looking at XXR 518 wheels in black.. I want to do 18in the front and 19 in the back, the problem is they don't make 19 in 5 x 100 bolt patter just 114 , 8.5.. I was planning on running spacers so does an adapter and spacer work? Also I am bagged , so how's that work w a spacer? Will I have room slammed? I def do not want to do 18 all around.. please let me know what u guys think.! The offsets options for the xxr 518 can be found here.. www.xxrwheels.com
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