hey guys... someone please enlighten me!!! say i was gunna do the camry v6/solara tranny swap... i know i need the all-trac axles and the mr2t axles correct? my question is which all-trac axle CAN i use? st165, st185, or st205 axles??? or are they all the same??? im a very confused individual!
BBoY
I know the st185 will work, but can somebody tell us if the st205 will work.
Im assuming that the st205 axles will work for the 6th gen. Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks,
can somebody please answer this question !!!
I need this info as well.
will the st205 axles will work for the e153 tranny swap?
Thanks for the help...
You need hybrid axles no matter what. You can use St205 outta 1/2 shafts and MR2 inners or Solara inners, depending on what tranny.
so the st205 outer shafts would work for the hybrid tranny
thats all I need to know
thanks supersprynt...
I'm using Camry outer shafts and MR2 inner shafts, and they work great.
So either way will work.
Sphinx whst kinda information and or knowledge do you have on the mounting of your E153. I am doing this hopefully within the month and theres little spoken of this even though I know 3 ppl who have it here.
Well mounts are mounts and I have MR2 mounts and GT mounts. Those can be basically welded wherever. I'd like to know the specifics of where.
Yeah thats what DMC said you were doing, where are they breaking?
You got any pics of the underside of ur car (tranny mounts specifically)?
The first set I actualy seized the Joint up between the inner and outer. This in turn bent the inner. $400 later I had a new set of both. This time the same joint is stretched so far, the joint is now clicking like it is ready to come apart.
I can get you pics, it will be a few days. It is at a friends house, he is trying to custom fab me the metal plate that holds the rubber seal between the hood and the bumper. I believe we usead the ST205 mounts as I had the front clip. I will take pics when I get it back.
Yeah unfortunately I dont have those. I was thinking mounts must basically be the same, except there are in different locations.
i believe the axels that you're using ( st185 outer shafts) are a wee bit too short. That's why they keep going out on you. I've been using the camry outer shaft with for a while now, and have'nt had a problem. I've ran the car hard, and the axels don't pop out or break.
Super,
As for the mounts, I know the ST205 mounts work cause the are the ones I'm using and there was no modification needed. I know that you can use the GT front and rear mount and brackets. As for the driver side mounts, i know you can't use the GT mounts because the bracket is different and will not line up properly. The MR2 mounts will line up perfectly on the tranny, but not sure how it will mount up to the bracket welded on the chassis of the celica. That's why i didn't take a change and just bought the ST205 mounts. I just didn't feel like welding a mount.
I know you asked for me to post some info on mounting this tranny, but everything is pretty much straight forward. Now, if you have certain questions, by all means, just ask and i'll give you my input.
hope that helps.
Where'd you find your ST205 mounts? I have a couple MR2 mounts that came with the tranny I also have the GT mounts (whcih are already on the car) so if the mounts on the cross-member already work, then I may just have the one drivers side welded, that maybe less of a headache.
I had to order my mounts through the dealer. But yeah, you just have to worry about the driver side mount. The others are ok.
Excellent so it looks like what I'm going to end up doing is replacing the rubber mounts cuz mine are shot with better ones and I'll have the one welded in. The ST205 mounts will be pricey? How much you end up spending on them? But thanks I think thats good news.
I am using the Solara Tranny with my 3s swap with camrey outer shafts, still tracking parts but ill be interesting.
DTE
I thought your supposed to used the inner shaft of the E153 tranny and the outer shaft of the st185. how does the camry/solara outer shaft works.
If that works, then that means that you can use the whole axle from the solara/camry e153 tranny.
Please let me know.
Thanks
Ok. Here are the part #'s for the motor mounts, motor mount brackets, and shift linkage / cables from a ST205.
12361-74340.......... Insulator.......... $47.10
12371-74440.......... Insulator.......... $88.00
12372-74500.......... Insulator.......... $109.00
12311-74160.......... Bracket, EN.......... $40.00
12321-74310.......... Bracket, EN.......... $26.00
12325-74230.......... Bracket, EN.......... $53.00
33820-2B350.......... Shift Cables.......... $341.00
I ordered these through Champion Toyota and were all a special order from Japan. Those are the list prices for those items.
(713)943-7010 Direct Parts Line
What year axles from the Camry V6? I found new ones cost about $400 from a 93. I can get one from pick your part for $85 and a rebuilt for $110. I just want to make sure of the year for the fit. I have the 94 MR2 tranny and inner shaft.
This is an excellent write up. However, I thought there are people using the st185 outer shafts. I'm about to use them on my car right now, but after reading this, I want some more input. This is some direct info, on a hard to find topic. Let's keep this going. Anyone with pics of the st185 and camry outer shaft length difference should put a pic on here. Oh and what year solara or camry axles are usable?
Has everyone seen this yet?
http://www.geocities.com/zegoat2000/e1531.html
have any of you guys ever found a good place to buy rebuild axels from? i seem to be having the worst luck in the world with rebuilds. i just bought one from carquest and found out that it was the wrong size when i went to install it. this seems to happen a lot with these companies. anyone recomend a good place for rebuilds?
I know, I got a kit from there that was universal and wrapped around the joint and was held together w/ screws. lol. I took it back. No I haven't found a place. I'm going to test to see if the st185 outers will make the axle too short. I'm going to get the compressed and extended lengths for the GT axle, then put the mr2 inner and st185 outer together and measure. Get back with you guys in a couple days.
sorry for the late response.
My axels consist of :
91 MR2 Trubo INNER shaft
91 Camry V6 OUTER shaft
bold them together, pop them in the tranny and in the hub, and you're done.
This is great info, more descriptive than we had before. Advanced Auto Parts stocks the 91 camry axles. I guess both passenger and driver side axles are the same thing. Part #7409.
What kind of tranny fluid did you guys use for the mr2T tranny, and how many quarts?
be carefull with axels from advance auto, they use a compay called CCT, and ive had VERY bad luck with the (wrong axels in box, some were broken, one broake after driving for 5min, etc.)
the best made axels i found were from carquest. the 1st one i bought from them (drivers side) was perfect. now i ordered the passengers side... great rebuild quality, but the input shaft is too long and wide for my car. they are working on getting me another one
i 2nd synchro mesh !
only problem is, im having a hard time finding it again. my local autozone had it in stock last time, but now they were out when i went to get more.
I found out today that the 91-92 st185 axles are identical to the 91 camry axle. I bought a pair from advanced and compared it to the st185 axles I had already bought, now i'm gonna take back the camry axles lol($271-$90 core). I took a pic of each axle side by side to show you all and i'll have that up by friday.
I'm using Redline MT-90 on my transmission. Expensive, but well worth it. I use it because I run my car real hard and I preffer having it well lubricated.
If you use the e153 tranny do you still need the axle bracket that is not on the st?
Here's what I used that worked.
92 mr2 lsd tranny
92 mr2 lsd inner shafts
92 st185 outer shafts
st185 shift linkage
st185 driver's side motor mount
94-99 celica gt front motor mount
I don't have a back mount. The mount bolts to the tranny, but the insulator is almost 1 1/2" off to the side so it doens't line up.
have you tried the st185 back mount?
I think you can use the st185 cross member, when I was talking to the guy at xat about doing the e153 tranny he said something about it.
we're getting many different combos, this is a summary of what i've read so far.
here, i'll try to sum it all up, up until here:
-For Axles it's looking like Camry(91)/GT4 Outers and MR2(match yr w/ tranny) inners
-For Mounts, stock GT will work for front and rear, just need driver's mount from GT4
-For Shifter Linkage - GT4
-For Shift Cables - GT/GT4
this is just a summary.
you have to specify which generations of gt4's
6th gen gt cables are different from st205 cables. st205 cables are different from st185 cables. st185 cables are also different from 6th gen GT's
DEF
GT And ST205 side by side. GT is the top one
i remember this pic, which is why i am...waiting for it all the be 100% clear
Those cables in the top pic(which are GT cables) will not work unless the horseshoe clip is modified to be thicker. Even then, I don't think they will work. You can see the 1/4" gap between where the clip locks the cable in place and the back part. I put the gt cables in place with the e153 tranny, put the clips in that hold them in place, and there was so much slack that the cables wouldn't stay on the tranny. Is that a good explanation? I will circle the part which is different and then you can see the gap.
I would seriously suggest that someone call up xat racing in tampa and ask them about the mounts. I'm almost positive that they use the st185 cross member and they use custom mounts.
I'll ask XAT when I get back into tampa next tuesday. They said to use the mounts that spinx said, I never asked about the crossmember. I think I'm having issues b/c of my passenger mount that I'm using. I think that it offsets my motor.
These are both 1994 GT mounts
I just tried using the st185 crossmember and it in no way will bolt up with the east-west suspension crossmember or the front radiator support on the st204 GT. I also tried using the 185 mount (insulator) on the 204 crossmember but it won't fit in anyway on the rear.
So that rules that out.
I have been asking all workshops here in Australia and have found that the north-south crossmember is the same on both the st204 and st205. The st204 and st205 (same) being different from the st185 and st184 crossmembers.
I believe the easiest way to fit the e153 is to use all st205 mounts, to avoid confusion.
NOTE
*The RH engine mount is the same on all the st20# series
#The rear engine mount (insulator and bracket) and LH engine mount (insulator) are specific to the st205.
so 204 are same as 205, but our 202 is different? why god, why?!?!?!
(just seeking clarification)
Not sure if you really mean st202 because that was a JDM RHD only 6th gen
I terms of engine mounts, st204 and st202 use the same tranny and mounts.
All st20#'s have the same north-south cross member, only difference being with the suspension cross member having differences due to four wheel steering and superstrut suspension with each model spec.
Basically in summary
Mounts
RH Side= Any St200 series
Left Side= St205 bracket# and Insulator
Rear= St205 bracket and insulator
Front= st205 bracket and any st200 series insulator
#note bracket is no longer available in Australia perhaps worldwide. I'll try to use/modify the mr2 bracket i already have.
Axles= St185 outer shafts w/ mr2 inner shafts w/ matching splines. The half shaft with carrier from mr2 is also required
If using an Mr2 e153 specific year does not necesarily mean certain diameter spline. Also note that the circlip on the end is also a variable. It can either be 5mm or 12mm from the end.
It is very important to get the driveshafts that go with the tranny at the same time to make sure you are getting the correct shafts.
Shift cables
Any St200 series cables can be modified to be clip to the tranny and the cables work perfectly once secured.
Please correct me if I am wrong as I am about to pull my hair out trying to figure out a working combo.
Wow I havent seen this much GOOD information in a long time, someone sticky this and rename it E153 Tranny install in ST204 or something.
I'm putting in a E153 and I have St185 & St204 shifter cables, I think im going to try both to see what works best. What displeases me is this ST205 engine mounts being needed, thats expensive stuff.
Jeff where did you get yours?
he got his from a guy on here a while back parting out a st205, got the crap real cheap because no1 else thought we needed that ish...
Yeah I seen them go for $500 some places, that really busts by bubble maybe I'll just do some welding.
Supersprint you can say that again, this is good info and rare to the forum. I think I'm going to link it or pull info from this to put on the celicatech forum.
if somone types up a nice post that has all the info in one place, and puts it in the 6th gen cection of celicatech, i wll stickie it over there for u. just try to make a nice big post with pics and all the info needed.
mr2 tranny into celi = PITA
Time for a bump.
This is a pic of the E153 rear tranny mount location. Now I see 3 bolts, the ST205 mount wont fit the top 2 bolts, but looks to fit on the bottom 2 bolts. By the looks of it the top 2 are used, the bottom's not. So which ones are too be used?
And Celica3sgte, your rear mount may not line up because your using a GT front mount, if you used the ST205 front mount the rear mount might line up properly.
I'm so glad XAt is doinf this for me. i don't think i could handle the headache of all of this at this point.
and i sure hope they know what they are doing/talking about.
Has anybody tried using a GT front mount & LH mount with ST205 rear mount & bracket?
ok ok ok god this is hard to comprehend all this because its all spread out. anyways i have a 94 celica ST and just bought a 92 i believe all-trac front clip. can someone please post a complete list of axles, mounts, linkage, and all other things for a 91 mr2 turbo tranny, with the engine and car i have. if someone could do that it would be greatly appreciated. thanks
Bboy is correct. The st205 front insulator and mount, the driver's side insulator, and passenger side insulator mount are basically the same. You need to use the rear inuslator from the st205 or get a custom bracket to fit you stock insulator. The rear brackets need to be from the st205, st185, or mr2 turbo. Bboy is right on the axles too. I think you can use the solara axles on the mr2 tranny also being that they are both and e153. And I think you can use the mr2 diff in the solara tranny.
ok so are all the mounts that are able to be used the same for GT and ST or do you need to like drill new holes or something in the crossmember to make the mounts work, (or weld) and also on the 91-92 st185 engine and 91 mr2 tranny use the st205 mounts. so basically all mounts needed should be st205
FML
i bought a tranny...the sellers claims its from a celica and with LSD.....e56 maybe?
by looking at the tranny i can tell its an E153, big shaft and big axles...the prob is it an LSD, 1, 1.5 or 2 way...
I've also bought a V6 Camry axles believed to be from MCV21....the outer axles couldn't go into my ST205 GT4 hub....the inner ones are ok....any input?
help appreciated
update....
after getting the MCV21 V6 Camry outer shafts....here is the problem faced.....
Will ST185 Passenger side shaft solve the prob?
THX!
a lot of guys need spacers. pretty sure those 2 axles are the same length too...
then why do a majority still recommend the ST185 Outers?? just wondering...
btw, any pix of ur axle with the spacers?
apparenty they are different, just checked w/ toyota. i'd try the 185 outer then. autozone carries them btw
problem finally SOLVED! went to the junkyard and showed them a full passenger side MR2T Axle and asked them for a longer one....and guess wat, they found a full axle....outer looks like our GT ones, but the inners are meant for the E153 trannyyy....prblem solved with NO SPACERS!
btw, did ur E53 tranny come with a mech speedo sensor?
no its an electronic one. it came from a lexus, so im not sure about the camry version
mine came with the mech type...cld be JDM version....
has anyone changed a cv axel and bought one at oreileys, i did today and it doesnt have hole for the cotter pin. maybe the wrong one, or what?
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