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post Dec 18, 2009 - 12:31 PM
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does anyone knows where to get or if there even exists a supercharger for the 94 celica st? or at least one that could be modified to fit it


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post Dec 18, 2009 - 3:58 PM
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i wont say its impossible but it will be very difficult to put a blower on the 7A. because the intake is in the back, there isnt much room for one, and the power steering pump is right in the way. Turbo is a much better option


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post Dec 18, 2009 - 4:20 PM
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 18, 2009 - 3:58 PM) *
i wont say its impossible but it will be very difficult to put a blower on the 7A. because the intake is in the back, there isnt much room for one, and the power steering pump is right in the way. Turbo is a much better option



Sure you can, but suggestively speaking, the 4a-gze is the equivalent to a super charged 7a-fe. Your best option to accomidate a supercharge is to use a 4a-ge head; I suggestion this because the 4a has alot of options when it comes to superchargers. Back in the ae86 days they were a dime a dozen.


http://www.6gc.net/members/faqdaworld [4a-gze swap]

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I think that because of the expense of supercharging an ST, it isn't really going to be worth your time. The gains you'd get by supercharging the 7A are going to be pretty nominal, and considering we're not dealing with a lot of HP to begin with, IMHO it's really not worth the effort if power is your goal. Now if your goal is just to build a fun project, then go for it. Just don't set your sights high in terms of any significant HP gains.

Mstoochn is right, if you're going to supercharge a 7A, your best bet is to retro fit the head with a 4agze head. That will lower compression and net you better gains than just straight up trying to supercharge the stock 7A, although IIRC you will run into some interesting challenges with fitment, and possibly with electronics as well, as I believe the stock 7A ECU won't really do much for you with a charger setup.

If you're looking for more power w/an NA setup and you really like the idea of the supercharger, your best option is going to be to just do a straight 4agze swap. Again, for the money though, you'll still net more power by building up the 7A with a turbo application. Or better yet, swap in a 4age head and THEN turbo it (7AGTE).

Really, it depends on what your goals and motivation are.


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post Dec 18, 2009 - 8:58 PM
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weird..i was thinking about this today as a gt500 blew by me..a 7afze redface.gif (the name looks cool)

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post Dec 19, 2009 - 12:52 PM
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I want supercharged even if I have to make a custom hood with a hole of the size of an open laptop lol, I want some power but also the awesome sound of supercharged cars, what do you guys recomend to get about 70-100 more HP on a stock st? turbo, nitro, supercharge, but affordable I dont want to spend over 10,000 this car lol it would take me years to get more than that.

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post Dec 19, 2009 - 5:27 PM
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QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 1:52 PM) *
I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often for me to get that, thats why I want supercharged even if I have to make a custom hood with a hole of the size of an open laptop lol, I want some power but also the awesome sound of supercharged cars, what do you guys recomend to get about 70-100 more HP on a stock st? turbo, nitro, supercharge, but affordable I dont want to spend over 10,000 this car lol it would take me years to get more than that.


u wont make 70-100hp on a stock ST without a turbo, or 4a-ge head + sc or turbo.

your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u
post Dec 19, 2009 - 7:14 PM
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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Dec 19, 2009 - 5:27 PM) *
your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u


BS, the 3rd gen has 241 horsepower at the crank, and the 4th gen is up to 256 (might vary, but you get the idea).

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post Dec 19, 2009 - 7:27 PM
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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Dec 19, 2009 - 8:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Dec 19, 2009 - 5:27 PM) *
your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u


BS, the 3rd gen has 241 horsepower at the crank, and the 4th gen is up to 256 (might vary, but you get the idea).



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post Dec 19, 2009 - 8:14 PM
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QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 9:52 AM) *
I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often for me to get that, thats why I want supercharged even if I have to make a custom hood with a hole of the size of an open laptop lol, I want some power but also the awesome sound of supercharged cars, what do you guys recomend to get about 70-100 more HP on a stock st? turbo, nitro, supercharge, but affordable I dont want to spend over 10,000 this car lol it would take me years to get more than that.

I love n00bs biggrin.gif


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post Dec 20, 2009 - 3:23 PM
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QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM) *
I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
post Dec 20, 2009 - 6:19 PM
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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Dec 19, 2009 - 7:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Dec 19, 2009 - 5:27 PM) *
your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u


BS, the 3rd gen has 241 horsepower at the crank, and the 4th gen is up to 256 (might vary, but you get the idea).


Well actually Mstoochn is right here. Assuming someone is going to go through the expense of turbocharging there car, swapping, retrofitting a supercharger, hell even stock 5s or 7a engines!....one thing they all have in common is that the car gets an exhaust system done. So, a STOCK GEN3 with Intake, exhaust, and boost controller makes 265whp at around 14psi.....and 300whp by 17psi.


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post Dec 20, 2009 - 6:36 PM
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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Dec 19, 2009 - 7:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Dec 19, 2009 - 5:27 PM) *
your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u


BS, the 3rd gen has 241 horsepower at the crank, and the 4th gen is up to 256 (might vary, but you get the idea).


Arguing + or - 10-50hp on a turbo car is silly, as the power level can vary that much with just a change in weather, exhaust, boost controller, etc...


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post Dec 20, 2009 - 9:36 PM
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QUOTE (_Jim_ @ Dec 20, 2009 - 6:19 PM) *
Well actually Mstoochn is right here. Assuming someone is going to go through the expense of turbocharging there car, swapping, retrofitting a supercharger, hell even stock 5s or 7a engines!....one thing they all have in common is that the car gets an exhaust system done. So, a STOCK GEN3 with Intake, exhaust, and boost controller makes 265whp at around 14psi.....and 300whp by 17psi.



QUOTE (lagos @ Dec 20, 2009 - 6:36 PM) *
Arguing + or - 10-50hp on a turbo car is silly, as the power level can vary that much with just a change in weather, exhaust, boost controller, etc...


I understand your points, but he mentioned WHP and I mentioned HP at the crank...huge difference.


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post Dec 20, 2009 - 9:38 PM
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mistype!

I do belive it's alot less than 241whp.... take into consideration almost 15% power loss thru an AWD trans + rear diff.. maybe 220-225

GO JIMBO!

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your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u

maybe exatcly what I was looking for, but does the 3s-gte fit the st without mayor modification to the frame/chasis? my father can get his friend to do the swap for around 500$, also where do you guys recomend I could get the 3s-gte?


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QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 20, 2009 - 11:38 PM) *
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your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u

maybe exatcly what I was looking for, but does the 3s-gte fit the st without mayor modification to the frame/chasis? my father can get his friend to do the swap for around 500$, also where do you guys recomend I could get the 3s-gte?



Ebay, or local JDM shop. you need to fab up new engine mounts but its not difficult. use the search option smile.gif or talk to _jim_
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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Dec 20, 2009 - 11:46 PM) *
QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 20, 2009 - 11:38 PM) *
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your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u

maybe exatcly what I was looking for, but does the 3s-gte fit the st without mayor modification to the frame/chasis? my father can get his friend to do the swap for around 500$, also where do you guys recomend I could get the 3s-gte?



Ebay, or local JDM shop. you need to fab up new engine mounts but its not difficult. use the search option smile.gif or talk to _jim_


Yes, if you are looking for a GEN3 3sgte...I have 2 in stock. There are No modifications required to the frame of the Celica, other then drilling hole for the passenger side motor mount. Send me a PM if you are interested in a GEN3.


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QUOTE (_Jim_ @ Dec 21, 2009 - 4:30 AM) *
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your powergoals are easily reachable with that budget, but for a third of that cost you can just swap a 3s-gte... starting point at 265whp. cost you around 4k to get someone to do it for u

maybe exatcly what I was looking for, but does the 3s-gte fit the st without mayor modification to the frame/chasis? my father can get his friend to do the swap for around 500$, also where do you guys recomend I could get the 3s-gte?



Ebay, or local JDM shop. you need to fab up new engine mounts but its not difficult. use the search option smile.gif or talk to _jim_


Yes, if you are looking for a GEN3 3sgte...I have 2 in stock. There are No modifications required to the frame of the Celica, other then drilling hole for the passenger side motor mount. Send me a PM if you are interested in a GEN3.

Jim, you really need a web site. biggrin.gif


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OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!! this engine is beautiful!!!! I wish I had that money right now!!!! hope it will stil be there i 4 months! unless I with the Mega millions!, look at that intercooler and the turbo looks beautyful!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Celi...sQ5fAccessories , I never thought I would have fallen in love again!! but this engine is just a beauty!!! and directly from japan!, even tho I think it would be easier to fing someone selling a GT-Four, but who could be dumb enough to sell such an Awesome car, I know I wouldnt!, can you guys tell me where can I find one on sale, as long as its from 94+ less than 100,000 miles, and for less than 5000$US, I dont care if its crashed from the side or rear, as long as its driveable and the engine is in perfect ondition +trans. I will fix it! if any of you hear of anyone selling something like that I will buy it but has to be close to NJ or reasonable towing to my father's friend garage. to 07502 PLEASE!! frown.gif


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