OK after about 10 min....3 15amp fuses and some playing
if you hook the RED wire at the MIRROR to a power source
then a GROUND to the BLACK wire at the MIRROR you get it to move DOWN
then a GROUND to the BROWN wire at the MIRROR you it to move RIGHT
thats as much info as i have now....
BUT that is not goin through the "relay/control switch" that is just wires to wires
on the mirror the two outside wires on eachside *all the wires EXCEPT the brown, red, and black* control the retractable motor......you can put positive on the left and ground on the right and it goes one way...switch the wires and it goes the other way....same for both sides
thats awesome.. I was gonna mess around with mine today but ended up not having time.. did you get urs to work fully??>?
Don't you still need the relay box so that the box can sense motor resistance and stop applying power to the motors?
neverstop-no i havn't gotten them to work cause i havn't gotten it compatable with the relay box that you control it with
Coomer-yes you still need it i'm still trying to figure out how to do it
wait.... relay box?? is there something I'm missing?
I have the mirrors and the little controller thing you pop into your door panel to replace the stock one... is there something else?
no the controller thing for the door IS the relay
okay cool
edit: hurry up! LOL j/k but I do want mine to work also and wanna see if you figure it out.
also want suggestions on how to make it work with the ignition.. like you turn on the car and they fold out and turn off the car and they fold in
yea well i'm on GMU's dive team, and that is a ton of time i have to do that.....and i'm getting really pissed about it so i'm trying to quite maybe so i'll have more time.....and my pop's is goin to help me work on them when i have free time so i'll let you know NEVER when i get the time.........and when i said the two wires on each end of the plug that is onthee actual mirror do the retracting i believe one side's wires are the button and the other sides mirrors are the ignition you can try and find out which side is which
ne updates on this???
I messed around with mine a little today.. I got most of the functions to work on the drivers side mirror.. I just cant seem to make it go down
The mirrors moving is AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I cant wait to have it all hooked up.
Playr... some of my pins are different than yours.. Im hopefully gonna try and work on it some more tomorrow and I'll make a cool little diagram like yours to compare.
edit: is it possible that toyota made different versions of the folding mirrors?? the back of my relay box has a total of 10 pins in it... 6 across the top row and then two section on the lower row of two each
Heres what I got
Do you guys have this piece?
-Ti
QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Oct 31, 2004 - 11:51 PM) |
edit: is it possible that toyota made different versions of the folding mirrors?? the back of my relay box has a total of 10 pins in it... 6 across the top row and then two section on the lower row of two each |
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Relay 6 across the top left to right: Blue/White Blue/Red Space Blue/Yellow (this is the only one i cant figure out) Pink Green/Yellow Red/Yellow 5 across the bottom: Blue Brown White/Black Space (Clip) Yellow Green |
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Contorl Unit 4 across the top row: White/Black Teal/Red Space Space Teal Gray 4 across the bottom row: Brown/Yellow Brown/White Space (clip) Teal/Black Pink |
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Left Mirror 5 across the top row: Green/Yellow Space Teal/Black Teal/Red Teal Blue/Red 2 across bottom row: Red/Yellow Space (clip) Blue/White |
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Right mirror 5 across the top row: Yellow Space Brown/Yellow Teal/Red Brown/White Brown 2 across the bottom row: Green Space (clip) Blue |
blue/yellow, sounds like a remote control wire...that would be amazing...
j/k
so what all of you are sying is that each set of mirrors is different...great
ok we didn't get that relay box.....we only have the control unit that goes in the door......
and the wires are the same for all of them
but why do we need the USDM mirrors----you got that wrong those are only 3 wire
you posted the JDM mirror wires
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 1, 2004 - 10:58 AM) |
ok we didn't get that relay box.....we only have the control unit that goes in the door...... and the wires are the same for all of them but why do we need the USDM mirrors----you got that wrong those are only 3 wire you posted the JDM mirror wires |
lol there ya go
yea i don't have that cpu relay box i wanna find a way to get around it since its not really easy to find
My set of mirrors are on the way, with control & relay. I'll try to add what I can when I get them. I got the 6th gens as well. I also want to find out how to hook them up so they open when starting the car, and close when you shut off the car.
Guess I'm a 6 g c p i m p haha
Later,
DEF
QUOTE (defgeph @ Nov 1, 2004 - 4:42 PM) |
My set of mirrors are on the way, with control & relay. I'll try to add what I can when I get them. I got the 6th gens as well. I also want to find out how to hook them up so they open when starting the car, and close when you shut off the car. Guess I'm a 6 g c p i m p haha Later, DEF |
I just got the set that was on ebay. I am kinda excited but I think I am having second thoughts.
I might want to sell these instead of installing them. No extra charge, just what I paid. Any interest, PM me.
batman.. I might be interested if it has all the parts.. could always use an extra set
his are missing the relay, I was biding on those but backed out when I found out I needed the relay.
I emailed the guy I outbid and it looks like he will take them. Unless anyone here wants them. Let me know
NOTICE TO ALL:
I suggest that unless you are very good at electronics, DO NOT bid on Power Folding mirrors until one of the 5 of us figure out if they will work.
1. Has to figure out wiring
2. Has to figure out movement or glass transfer so I can see out of them
Of course, if you want to buy them go ahead.... but better safe than sorry. Any updates guys?
-Ti
yo if you have that relay box i want it NOW....lol
but i need that since i gues you have to have it
6gc PIMPS
TI, is there a part # on that relay box ? That would be the key to everything...
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TI, is there a part # on that relay box ? That would be the key to everything... |
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2. Has to figure out movement or glass transfer so I can see out of them |
yea if i can get a part numer i will love you forever once i have that its a matter of a few hours till we can hook them up
okay... think where in luck with the mirror swap.. I opened up my pass side JDM and USDM.. you basially have to use a flat screwdriver and pop off the glass... stick the screwdriver on the underside of the mirror (bottom) and pop it off. You need to remove 3 screws and the motor assembly for the mirror will come out.. there are 3 wires that have to be cut. luckily there red, black and brown on both JDM and USDM.. so hopefully there the same function for both. I will finish putting the USDM mirror in the JDM housing in a few mins and let you guys know if it can move still like the USDM one.
Here are a few pics of the USDM one:
Looks like us BRITS will have to help you guys out YET AGAIN !!!!!
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=20810
This is nice the site doesn't mention the relay. Only the control unit ( which is the part on the door panel, right ?
edit : the pic
KICKA$$ ben once agian you have been nothing but helpful
just wish I had time at the moment to read the whole howto
as for the mirror swap... WORKED PERFECT! no probs at all and even got to retain the JDM glass! and we all know how important that is
Like 5 extra HP just in the glass
The only prob I had is when I spliced together the wires I tried to use posilocks.. which where too big to fit into the allowed space for the wires.. you'll see what I mean when you open them up yourselfs.. TO get around this I just used electircal tape and then heat shrinked over it... worked perfect... its nice to be able to see outta my pass mirror agian
Gonna do the drivers either later tonight or tomorrow - dont expect ne probs with it but will post results regardless
since I love you all
I'm not sure of the part number but heres whats written on top. I assume it is, but no flaming if its not.
Toyota Mirror Control
12V
87989- [20030]
The 20030 is raised up
Hope that helps
-Ti
But from that write up it looks like you dont need the relay as your stock one will do. YEAH US!
hmmmmmm site bookmarked for when i get the celi back and running i foundly found a reason why the brits are usefull;)
wait maybe not
Playr heres your pic
just like mine........
We have a Pink (Light Red) wire in the upper right. They have a Red/Yellow and a Blue/White wire.... how do we overcome this?
-Ti
once again I can't take the credit.. one of the UK club members sorted it out.. all kudos goes to him.. I just like to share information out.
I just looked..... I have a Red/Yellow and a Blue/White wire on my relay though...
hmmm i could have gotten different reactions on my set because i didn't have the relay(the box) so that could have made things different i say go with that site cause the box changes alot
I would go with the site
BUT!
That site has 9 wires in the control unit
Mine only has 8
Instead of the Red/Yellow and Blue/White - I have a Pink
-Ti
I will have my mirrors in about a week or so. A few days after that I will have them hooked up and working properly. Honestly, I don't really care if they can't be adjusted with the switch, just as long as they fold in and out
I will try to wire them without the relay like on that site and have them work 100% normally. If not I will order the relay. I have wired plenty of things before and I will be able to figure these out when I get them.
NEVER, if you are able to get the stock relay let me know.
I emailed the writer of that how-to. If he emails me back i'll let you guys know.
-Ti
First Reply from Silver GT
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Hi Ti, I didn't get a relay with mine, just the mirrors and the control unit. I'm not sure what a relay would do. I had no instructions at all with mine and the guy who sold me them wouldn't answer my emails when I started asking questions, so basically I just pulled everything apart to find out how it worked (I'm an electrician so it wasn't too hard). I'm away from home at the moment, visiting relatives, so I've got nothing with me, but I'll be home on thursday and I'll have a look at the drawings and notes I made and see if I can help. Graham |
okay guys where gonna need to pool everything together that we know.
My relay has ten pin plugs on the back of it... kinda looks like this
I also didn't get the male side of the harness for the JDM relay.. so I had to make my own.. luckily I had an extra harness plug layin around and only had to add two new wires into it to make it work
and the part numbers on the back of my relay are as follows:
Green circut board #:183362
Harness (female side) #:361-2030
That how to is very helpful.. but think I will have to rely on the pin numbers and not the wire colors.
If someone else has the 10 pin style that came with the stock wires still on it PLEASE follow the diagram above for the #'s
Like:
1:white with blue strip
2:pink with silver spots
ETC
okay thats weird then TI.. cuz the harness I used had those wires EXACTLY before I added two extras.. but why the 2 extra pins in the female harness????
Also.. some bad news for you guys... the mirror swap doesnt work on the drivers side.. at least not like the pass did
try adding washers to some of the screws to give the assembly more of an angle and that works but the mirror sticks out too far and when its folded back will hit the part of the mirror attached to the door.
this weekend I am gonna try and tear apart both mirrors.. USDM and JDM and see if I can swap the mounting part inside.. will photoshop some pics to explain better what I am talking about
Hey Never, Just thought about it
I did that drawing with the wiring pointing to me, and the harness plugged in. If you at looking at the front of the harness (the part that plugs in, the just mirror the image over. I dont know why there are 2 extra pins either - hum. This might be bigger than I thought. I'll do some work this weekend.
well if you read the howto thing all the wires are the exact same as ours and his except theres one extra wire in his..
I'm gonna try and get the drivers working TONIGHT!
LOL
his how to seems pretty straight forward though and I got a ton of extra harnesses with my mirrors so hopefully I can figure em out
hey one of you guys.. do me a favor really quick.. run out to your car with the JDM relay and plug it into your stock wiring harness and see if the mirrors will work like up down sides.. according to this guys howto it should
Hey Neverstop! You want an avatar that has a seemless loop to it? Cause here it is.
naw takes too long.. what I want is my MIRRORS to do that!
errrrgh,., think that guys howto is not accurate for the USDM celi
just some posts about them from the UK board
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=20650
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=18374
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=14714
all info is good...
I give up
QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Nov 2, 2004 - 11:39 PM) |
I give up |
so no one ( USDM people ) have gotten these to work ?
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so no one ( USDM people ) have gotten these to work ? |
I'll try my JDM relay this weekend
jeez once I get mine I will compare what harness and wire color and # of wires I have to everyone elses. We will get this all figured out. It is just a matter of time.
If the mirror (folding motor) works when you hardwire it to a battery then there is still plenty of hope for this.
worse comes to worse, get the left right up down to work (or not) and harewire the folding using $3 relays to reverse the polarity
you have to use the JDM control not the usdm one...it will never work with any usdm parts
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 3, 2004 - 12:32 PM) |
you have to use the JDM control not the usdm one...it will never work with any usdm parts |
damn I thought you guys would make it easy for me. Has Anyone tried hooking the mirrors up to a battery and figuring out the functions of each wire ? still havent received mine yet. Wish I could shed some light.
DEF
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that is my JDM control unit. I have all the JDM peices, including the relay... and i'm still stuck. -Ti |
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damn I thought you guys would make it easy for me. Has Anyone tried hooking the mirrors up to a battery and figuring out the functions of each wire ? still havent received mine yet. Wish I could shed some light. |
if he has everything shouldn't it be a straight wire up?
control switch to relay box
relay box to mirror?
oh and so we clarafi things......control switch is the one were you push the buttons
relay is the stupid black box that TI has
and the mirrors are the things on the outside of your car
The mirrors are on the outside ? opps I screwed up.
NEVER, you might want to try using a relay or 2. Have you wired relays before ? If you need to reverse a polarity use these diagrams http://relays.4all.cc/
also, you said you can make the mirrors move (fold) with a battery hardwired right ? What wires and what polarity ?
the two wires on the out side of either side (2 farthest left or right wires) polarity doesn't matter one way will move out and one way moves in
yea I just used a little 9vlt battery
think some of my prob is I had 3 shorts in my circut board.. I did one of em but never noticed the other 2 cuz they where hidden under some whitish goey ****.
I soddered in some copperwire to fix everything and hotglued overem so hopefully that helps.
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if he has everything shouldn't it be a straight wire up? control switch to relay box relay box to mirror? |
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NEVER, you might want to try using a relay or 2. Have you wired relays before ? If you need to reverse a polarity use these diagrams here (relay diagrams) |
I'm sorry to hear that anyway, my guess with this whole mess is - the control unit (JDM switch that goes in the door) probaly gets wired in with the up righ left down similar to US/UK/JDM (whatever the wire colors are, they are all there and will work). The wires that are for the folding go to a relay (or 2) and then to BOTH of the mirror motors (safer that way). The UK write up just bypasses the relay(s) and goes strait to each mirror motors individually (not as safe).
I will have my mirrors and switch in 6 days and on Wednesday I will be installing them. I will probaly get buy two $3 relays from radioshack to replace the toyota one because that is all it is.
NEVER, learn about relays !!!!!!!!!!! you are buying one. You are going to need to know how to install it properly.
I wish you guys lived close to me, I would be able to get these done.
Batman, you wire the harnesses and they will come.
Get it working and name your price.
Hey guys, the panic's over, the doctor has arrived
My name's Graham, I'm from merry olde England, I've got a '98 Celica GT, and I've fitted JDM electric folding mirrors and made them work
So any questions you've got, ask away.
Firstly, any of you that have got a control relay, throw it away. You don't need it!
Next, for anyone who hasn't already got it, here's the circuit diagram for the existing mirrors on the USDM cars http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/photos/cirdiag2.gif
That's what I'm talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How the JDM mirrors work.
There are just 2 wires for the retractor motor, blue and green. If you apply power to one wire and ground the other, the motor runs one way. If you reverse the polarity it runs the other way. The motor has internal limit switches to switch it off when it reaches the end of it's travel, so the power can be left on all the time.
The connections on the JDM control.
1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster
5 - chassis
6 - power +12v
7 - right horizontal adjuster
8 - right vertical adjuster
9 - common feed to adjusters
10 - left horizontal adjuster
As for relays, I take your point about using them to save the switch, but in this case the motor current is tiny and I wouldn't have thought it necessary.
The corresponding USDM loom colors
1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LG
8 - right vertical adjuster - LG/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LG/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W
GY = Grey
W = White
BK = Black
BL = Blue
BR = Brown
R = Red
Y = Yellow
GR = Green
LG = Light Green
thanks SilverGt, i'm the one who emailed you
Are you sure that is the controls for ALL JDM control units?
I only ask because I board looks different
-Ti
And one more.... yeah
Now assuming the break down you gave us above is correct for all models, how do we go about working with it. Does the stock USDM harness plug right in and all we have to do is splice in the two extra wires for retract and expand? Thanks
-Ti
QUOTE (turboinduction @ Nov 4, 2004 - 7:05 PM) |
Are you sure that is the controls for ALL JDM control units? I only ask because I board looks different -Ti |
QUOTE (turboinduction @ Nov 4, 2004 - 7:09 PM) |
And one more.... yeah Now assuming the break down you gave us above is correct for all models, how do we go about working with it. Does the stock USDM harness plug right in and all we have to do is splice in the two extra wires for retract and expand? Thanks -Ti |
Sweet, I recieved my mirrors today. SilverGT thanks for the great info ! Could you take pictures of your wires and how they are spliced.
also, how did you run the retract wires up to the mirror ?
Thanks,
DEF
yea your pins are different then mine for the control...
i have 3 on top and 5 on bottom
1 in the top left two on the top right
and five straight across the bottom
oh and i don't understand a single thing on that last think posted
I've got a pink wire - anyone know what that does. Its part of the cut off harness thats in my JDM control unit......
-Ti
this is how my wires are
3 top pins
top left pin : brown wire w/ silver spots
top middle pin but on the right side: blue wire w/ red stripe
top Right pin: gray wire w/silver spots
bottom pins from left to right:
pink w/black strip
pink w/white strip
puke green w/black strip
puke green w/red strip
red w/ silver spots
edit= all wires have silver spots lol
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 4, 2004 - 9:42 PM) |
this is how my wires are 3 top pins top left pin : brown wire w/ silver spots top middle pin but on the right side: blue wire w/ red stripe top Right pin: gray wire w/silver spots bottom pins from left to right: pink w/black strip pink w/white strip puke green w/black strip puke green w/red strip red w/ silver spots edit= all wires have silver spots lol |
Oh yea!
BE JEALOUS!!!
got all functions to work.. and I ended up not even using the control box.. will post more later as to how.. just dont have time at the moment
ass
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ass |
you used relays ? nice. I hope that link I posted helped in some way. I will have mine and wired in about a week
your an ass never.......how you do that then not give a CLEAR EXPLANATION you only talk in neverstop speak DAMN YOU
ok,who has 5th gen mirrors and who has 6th gens.
I have 6th gens.
Dan has 5th gens
ti has 6th gens
Neverstop ??
Batman has 6th gens
Dont want everyone confused on wire color anymore or pin location
ah see thats why its different i HAVE 5TH gen mirrors
damn it.....looks like i have to find a 5th gen board and check around
QUOTE (defgeph @ Nov 5, 2004 - 3:09 AM) |
Sweet, I recieved my mirrors today. SilverGT thanks for the great info ! Could you take pictures of your wires and how they are spliced. also, how did you run the retract wires up to the mirror ? Thanks, DEF |
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 5, 2004 - 1:03 AM) |
ah see thats why its different i HAVE 5TH gen mirrors damn it.....looks like i have to find a 5th gen board and check around |
mine are 6gc ones
curse you all wtf am i supposed to do
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 5, 2004 - 11:55 PM) |
curse you all wtf am i supposed to do |
nice. Relays are fun and easy
EDIT: playr158, just put the motors in your mirrors. Then just wire the motors to work. With the 2 links posted - http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html and http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx you should be able to mount the motor your existing housing and then just wire them in.
the blue arrow is the main gear.. I had to redo the glue inside cuz the driver side mirror was loose and it would spin out too far and not let the mirror move back out.
the red arrow is pointin at the powerthingy for the motor.. I had to reset the motor a few times when I was figurin out everything.. unhookin that and then pluggin it back in seems to be the way to do it
after doing some research I have a question for SliverGT
looking at the UK how 2 on http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html
The old and new wire colours for the control units are the same so you just join colour to colour
Control unit Power = GY
Chassis = W/BK
Common feed = LG/R
Right Vert. = LG/BK
Right Hori. = LG
Left Vert. = BR/Y
Left Hori. = BR/W
Retractor + = R/Y
Retractor - = BL/W
and looking at your USDM loom colors
The corresponding USDM loom colors
1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LGR
8 - right vertical adjuster - LGR/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LGR/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W
2 wires don't match up - the RH and the common feed are switched. Just a mistake ? Are you sure the USDM / UK / JDM control unit wires all match up ? or are they different with the USDM (2 wires) ?
EDIT : also, the + and - from the mirrors just go directly to the + and - of the control unit ?
After more research, NEVER, that is some funky riggin question : you still have them hooked to your window switch, right ? So, you could hook that setup to an external 3 way switch in the dash and keep your stock (USDM) mirror switch, right ?
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After more research, NEVER, that is some funky riggin question : you still have them hooked to your window switch, right ? So, you could hook that setup to an external 3 way switch in the dash and keep your stock (USDM) mirror switch, right ? |
can someone explain what i have to do with these damned 5th gen mirrors??????
swap all the motors into my stock mirrors?
how would i wire?
switch?
keep the stocker?
plyr - dissamebly your 5th gen ones and if the motor looks the same as what I posted for ya then you should be able to do this no prob... the mirrors arent hard to take apart... diffenly follow the howto on the UK site.. and HEATING the screws underneath makes a HUGE difference.
I cant really see it being too hard to fit the motors into the 5th gen version cuz they look alot like the 6gc ones.. the only thing that might cause probs is gettin the 6gc glass in there.... alot of that would depend on how the insides are
my suggestion:
take it apart and check everything out. if it looks like a go then get r done and well figure out wiring later... its only about 7 wires max
dbl post
mmmk
well i'll take a mirror off in a few days.....and pop things open on the jdm and usdm and take sum pics
well do the JMDs one 1st.. I got some pics of the USDM ones opened up.. some are posted here and can take more if I need too.. that way you dont possibly mess up your stockers if you end up not being able to swap the mirror shells
QUOTE (Batman722 @ Nov 6, 2004 - 4:17 AM) |
after doing some research I have a question for SilverGT looking at the UK how 2 on http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html The old and new wire colours for the control units are the same so you just join colour to colour Control unit Power = GY Chassis = W/BK Common feed = LG/R Right Vert. = LG/BK Right Hori. = LG Left Vert. = BR/Y Left Hori. = BR/W Retractor + = R/Y Retractor - = BL/W and looking at your USDM loom colors The corresponding USDM loom colors 1 - retractor motor 2 - retractor motor 3 - spare 4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y 5 - chassis - W/BK 6 - power +12v - GY 7 - right horizontal adjuster - LGR 8 - right vertical adjuster - LGR/BK 9 - common feed to adjusters - LGR/R 10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W 2 wires don't match up - the RH and the common feed are switched. Just a mistake ? Are you sure the USDM / UK / JDM control unit wires all match up ? or are they different with the USDM (2 wires) ? EDIT : also, the + and - from the mirrors just go directly to the + and - of the control unit ? |
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The + and - from the mirrors do go directly to the + and - of the control unit. I didn't mark the control unit connections as + and - because it doesn't matter which way they go. The button on the control isn't marked, it just presses in and out, so it works both ways round. |
Once I get mine I will make a good how-to with pictures. (probably Tues or Wed)
I still don't understand why NEVER's are wired with those 4 pins...and works...
if your talkin about the 4 pins on the mirror harness it has to be that way.. the motor is only a two wire motor that when pos is ran threw one wire it moves clockwise and when the power is moved threw the other wire it moves counter. It wont work if you dont use all 4 pins... at least not for my setup
ok this is what I have so far.
I just matched up the colors on the switch. Whats up with the pink wire ?
Not sure how to wire. I didnt want to short anything out.
housings are interchangable. I couldnt get the screws lose on the usdm's so I couldnt transfer the base.
I'm not sure where to go next. Should I use my JDM relay ? What Wires do I splice together ?
DEF
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I also figured mine out. My JDM relay is an acting polarity changer. My pink wire goes to the relay, from there I have the blue and green (retractor + and - ). So when I push my button, it sends the signal to my relay and thus changes polarity. I dont think it'll be hard at all now, thanks to the USDM loom break down Silver GT gave us. |
QUOTE (Batman722 @ Nov 7, 2004 - 9:17 PM) | ||
turboinduction said his are from a 97. My best guess right now is : 94-95 ? there was the 2 wires directly to the mirrors to fold them. 96+ there was 1 wire (pink) to go to the relay then to the mirrors to fold them. It is a design change and an improvment. This is why, if there is a short in the system somewhere it would toast your switch and your mirror motors. Wrong current wrong time = bad. The relay is also a fuse. If there is a short the relay blows, and you can replace that instead of your switch or motors. that is my best guess. Keep in mind, if you have 1 wire or 2 you can keep your USDM mirror control and wire the mirrors to an external switch for folding... on a side note, I might wire mine to retract when I arm my alarm and unfold when I disarm |
I was gonna hook the mirrors up to the power antenna.. that's about the only thing I can think of in the whole car that powers automatically when you turn the car off.. and when you turn it on... plus it should have a relay that would reverse the polarity and since I disconnected mine the day I got the car I have no need for it sittin in the trunk nemore
Gonna try and figure out a setup where the antenna will control it but I will also be able to use the switch I have been using,.,
BTW I really need to purchase the guts for a driverside JDM mirror.. have decided that mine is junk... only works when I apply pressure to the motor itself and give it power = soo if ne of you decide to say to hell with folding mirrors - HIT ME UP!
IT IS COMPLETE !!!!! Done.
I didn't bother to use the JDM control switch, I just wired the mirrors to a switch. I am the coolest man alive
EDIT : I will have a vid tomorrow of them in action
if ne of you have an extra control switch.. either jdm or Usdm lemme know cuz I need some parts outta it
edit: Congrats batman! there fun arnt they
QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Nov 9, 2004 - 5:09 PM) |
if ne of you have an extra control switch.. either jdm or Usdm lemme know cuz I need some parts outta it edit: Congrats batman! there fun arnt they |
I didn't use my JDM one. I will sell it to you. PM me
hey batman, Congrats.
How did you wire the power fold ?
Thanks. OK, from each of my JDM mirrors there were 7 wires (3 on the US). I replaced the stock mirrors with the JDM ones and started splicing, here we go...
JDM mirror wires
these control the mirrors l/r/u/d
RED = to RED
BLACK = to BLACK
BROWN = to BROWN
just connect them like the US mirror wires, same colors
these control the folding motors, both sides are the same
BLUE = + for retract
LITE GREEN = - for retract
YELLOW = - for return
DARK GREEN = + for return
I ran 4 wires on each side (2 sets of speaker wires) from each mirror to the dash. On each side you have to go from the door to the interior to up under the dash. I then connected all of the same wires (yellow driver's side connected to yellow pass side, ect..), 8 wires are now 4. These 4 wires are ran to a 3 way toggle switch I put in beneath the dimmer. I then ran the power from the cig lighter. With the 3 way toggle, down is retract, up is return to normal position, and middle is the ready posititon for the switch.
IMPORTANT : I tested the mirrors first and you should too. I ran a power wire from the cig lighter (when you unplug the cig lighter, white plug, there are 2 wires, grey + and white/black -) put the + to the blue (+) and the - to the light green (-) wires and watch them fold then try the same for the yellow and the dark green and watch them return
also, my wires might be different than yours but I doubt it, so you need to test them.
any questions ?
Thanks thats so simple !!
Just to be sure look at the pictures I posted above. I have pics of my wiring.
Did you swap out the usdm mirror motors or did you keep the JDM's ?
I'll try them with the JDM mirror motors. If they dont work then I'll swap them.
Thanks for the easy to understand info. Please double check my pics thanks dude
DEF
you guys have made alot of progress in this. I cant wait to see how the antenna thing works out. Ive thought about that for years.
I used the JDM mirrors and not my US ones. I did swap the glass though.
My JDM control unit didn't come with the harness out the back so I didn't bother trying to fabricate one so a toggle was the best way. Plus it was less splicing.
I thought about doing it the antenna way but when my radio is off my antenna goes down. Plus I already put an external switch for my antenna to put it down when I am playing CDs. When I am on the phone I usually turn the radio off too and the mirrors would fold in. No good for me.
I am thinking about getting a window up/down module for my alarm and wiring that to the mirrors. Arm the alarm, mirrors fold in, disarm, return to normal. That will be when there is better weather. It was freakin cold today
posted a vid in the general forum
Anyone know where the window relay is located on the car ?
how did the mirror swap go for you batman? mainly interested in the driverside.. I actually think mine is at a worse angle now... pass is kickass though
edit: also how much u guys want for the USDM control unit?? and does neone have a spare driver side motor? mines bad
edit 2x:
I first had a prob with the pass side angle way off. Then I adjusted the glass on both sides so when I fully unfold I have a good angle all around. I just played with it until the angle was right. I freakin love them.
PM me about the switch. It doesn't have the harness out the back and I don't know if it works. I didn't want to take any chances and use something I couldn't test.
opps about the antenna. I installed mine myself with no relay. You GT guys get all the toys stock
my best guess would be under the fuse box to the left of the pedals. Does is really matter where you put the relay anyway ? put it next to the relay for the power antenna.
any updates from anyone else ?????
allright i got ahold of some jdm folding mirrors. their from a 97 celica and i was told that the 97's didn't come with a relay and tha the switch reverses the polarity of the to two wires when the switch is pressed, so that means its meant for driving the mirrors directly. am i supposed to have a relay with this setup. when the guy took em out he couldn't hear the relay clicking and therefore could not find one. he has taken folding mirrors out of hondas and older toyotas so he knows what he is doing. can anyone back this up?? before i send payment
no relay needed just the mirrors
DEF
sweet deal!! thans def
way to resurrect an old thread. Only the mirrors are needed. Anyone else got these installed other than me ...?
i just had to.. i missed reading this post plus i got some mirrors now woot woot
Sorry for bring up an old thread
I just got my 6gen JDM Power folding mirrors.
I'm pulling my hair just looking at it.
I got the 2 mirrors and the controller.
Can you guys help me out?
For the controller
On the top row
2 pins - space - 2 pins
on the bottom row
6 pins
Mirrors (Please note this is RHD)
Passenger's side
The Yellow wire is under the Dark green wire
The Light green wire is under the purple wire
Driver's side
The wire are the same as the passenger's side
Can you guys help me out?
http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html
there is some good info in that link. If you have a UK or JDM Celica then it is plug and play.
hey Batman722
For the control unit
Mine doesnt match the one on that site
I've got a
pink - ?
gray - power
light green/black
light green - right horizontal
light green/red - Common feed
white black - Chassis
white/brown - left horizontal
yellow/brown - left vertical
Are these right so far?
What about the pink one
OK the pink wire I believe went to the relay. It was unclear what years had the relay and what years didn't. The relay was built into the control unit like the one pictured in that link. The mirrors have the same wires comming form them, all years. My personal advice, get the different control unit and plug and play.
Man those control unit are hard to come by.
Plus I like my control unit, it's the nice looking one.
Not the one with the square retract button.
Boy I thought it would have been easy to install,
but guess I was wrong
Mine have been in for a while now. They work great. I never used a relay. It took me a saturday afternoon to put them in.( I took my time)
Me and Preator will be attempting to install this tomorrow.
I'll let you all know how it goes.
Hopefully it goes well, if not I'll be back with questions
Well, the install did not go according to plan.
But we've made progress.
We've wired the the control unit and the driver's side mirror.
We sort of stuffed up one of the screw at the bottom of the mirror,
so we've to figure out how to remove that screw.
So does anyone know how to remove a stuffed screw?
We might have found a way around with the relay.
Preator has design a relay for the power folding mirrors.
So I dont have to use a toggle switch like some of you did.
I'll let you all know if this relay thing works, then I'll let preator
explain how he did it.
drill off the head of the screw and use a vise grips to screw it out. then clean hole with a tap or if it still doesn;t come out just drill it out and tap a new hole. i had to do both. ya those screws are lil bastards
Thanks rjbibeau.
That what we actually done
Bad news cant seem to make the relay work.
Has anyone got the wiring diagram of the relay?
So I might be looking at getting a relay from Toyota.
Do they still make them?
I might also need 2 motors as well. I think we've blowned
them
has anybody found out anything new yet?
i have the same problems as you guys ;-) got the jdm mirrors and a controller unit (buttons) and separately bought a relay box (mirror control).
i also have the pink wire on the controller that is supposed to trigger the relay... i found out about the relay wiring (11 pins)... still can't get it to work :-( maybe the relay is broken somehow?!
anyway, i would like to use the one-wire-method (pink wire) because i want to use the tiny little button for folding the mirrors ;-) plus i would like to trigger the folding with a single cable from my remote central locking!!!
so i can not use the diy-relay with a switch but need info on how to make everything work with a single wire!
any help is greatly appreciated :-D
Just as I thought, this thread was going to be just as confusing when I received my mirrors in the mail. I received both mirrors and the buttons unit. No relay control box. Can I still use the retract botton on the
"L-R/Retract/Mirror" button unit if i dont have the mirror control relay? That's what I want to do. Please let me know if i need the relay to use the stock retract button. this thread is real confusing.
Joker, it will be pretty hard to make it work without the
relay. Me and my friend found out the hard way.
But I dont think it is impossible. We just need to find
a wiring diagram for it.
Thanks. I guess I'll search for the relay control unit. Anyone have wiring diagrams for the JDM sidemirrors and relay??? I can't find it on the BGB on CelicaTech. Those pages show errors. Anyone have them backed up or anything? Thanks.
Well Simon eventually got around to buying the relay for the mirrors and now everything is plugged in and working sweet. Problem was that the version of the control unit that we had (8wire with pink) needs the relay to work correctly. Sure you can do it with a toggle switch, but he wanted it to have the factory look
Movies to show our success -
(quicktime format)
http://www.praet0r.net/pics/foldingmirrors/
Thanks for the help bro
Now I need an alarm system to hook that up to
i'm gonna try and install these this weekend... got a lot of info from this thread so hope it goes smoothly
****... 1 of my mirrors got messed! the switch that toggles the retracting in/out inside the mirrors got fried...
and the damn relays i had were the wrong ones... stupid ebay seller ><... didn't want to bother getting 2 new relays so i'm just gonna try to make the mirrors retract out when the car turns on and retract in when the car turns off.. so i can just use the original usdm control unit
ok.. wow.. for some magical reason... the mirror still works! finally got it all wired up!
i tried to wire them up so that they would fold in when i turn off the car and fold out when i turn on the car.. but somehow messed up and they fold in when you open the door or a few seconds after you turn off your car (you know how you have a few seconds after you turn off car that you can still close your window)... they still fold out when i turn on car tho...
i ended up not using the oem switch because of the way i wired it (plus i was missing the 2 realys since i had the old mirrors) so i added a switch to disable it during the winter incase of freezing rain or something like that!
damn the mirrors are sweet!
Sorry to bring up this post but i have the mirror for the 6g... i have most of it wired up i have the relay and everything i need.. on my control box though I have extra wire blue/yelliow. I have no idea where this goes. My mirrors move up,down.left and right fine but they will not retract or open....any ideas...please help
anyone....blue/yellow wire in control unit...where does it go too...
so you basically match up the wires on the mirror harness with the relay box... and the control unit. ie. red with red, green/yellow with green/yellow.. i think we know that already..
but anyway, could you also edit the post and add the functions of each wire? like, which one is (+) or (-) for each side (RH or LH mirrors) for each wire?
I've replaced jdmisme's numbers with the actual pin numbering.
ok.....add me to the list of confusion...so, do i NEED the relay for the mirrors to work?....whered u guys mount the relays if u used them....?
ive checked this out:
http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html
and it didnt say nething about the relay at all.......fyi - i have the pink wire from the relay...so???.....any1 mind helping a guy out?.....
from what ive read and done if u have the pink wire you need the mirrors, switch and control module. If you dont have the pink wire coming out of the switch on the door pannel the switch itself works as the control module, and thus all u need are the mirrors and switch.
From some research i have deduced that toyota produced two set ups, the earlier model had the control box along with the pink wire and the later model did not have the pink wire.
if you need the conrol box i have one.
also note that it seems toyota may have had two different conrol modules for the pink wire/ealier type. one for the celica and one for the curren. both the celica and curren control module have the same wires but what pin position they are in differs slightly. Also while the boxes look identical down to the mounting brakets used the color of the plastics used are different. The celica box is black where as the curren one is an cloudy clear.
i found this out because the set of jdm folding mirrors i bought where the non pink wire/later version and thus did not need a control module. however the seller had read about a box being needed and thus included one just in case. since the car he pulled the mirrors and switch from was a later version and had no conrol box he instead just got one from a earlier model curren. Thus is the reason why i had a mirrors set that did not need the control module and have an extra conrol module from a curren. (note i was told by the seller he pulled them from a curren)
^^^therefore i have currens mirrors....have the clear relay box....i already try to "soft" wire it..everything seems to go in place, all teh wires match referring to the posts jdmisme posted.....so i dont need to splice at all if i need the relays...as long as i dont touch the OEM stuff, right?..all i need to do is connect wires, mount relay, wire up ground n 12v...right?.....im gettin the idea, but jus need some insight on u jdm mirror guys....
actually, the curren and the celica relay boxes are the same. they should both be clear-ish white (translucent white), according to my EPC. i finished mine during the holidays and works flawlessly. urbandork is otherwise correct, if you have the pink wire, that connects to the relay box, so a relay box is needed. i mounted my relay box just beneath the steering column and ziptied it tight.
urbandork, do you still have that relay box? i'll take it from you. i'm on my 2nd set of jdm mirrors since the 1st set included a malfunctioning relay.
DeW_H0e_GT, you're also correct. as long as the wires from the mirror harness matches the relay control box, everything is fine and should work okay. but remember the mirror will not adjust far enough to see from your driver seat so you'll probably want to put small 6mm washers on one side of the mirror motor to angle it more. also, the mirror angle adjuster wires would be the opposite on the control switch (ie. RHD wires are opposite to LHD) but i'm sure you'll figure that out.
basically all this confusion is due to the male connector not being included for the mirrors and also, different control boxes are being sent out instead of the white-ish clear one. the black one listed a few pages back is for the ST185 which uses different color wires.
now that clears up alot!!!!!.....thanks azn!!!
my current setup..will install everything tomorrow.....
good luck with the install.. let us know if you run into any problems..
just, fyi, if you're looking for a power source to splice the blue w\ yellow wire on the relay box, you'll find the exact same wire in your driver's kick panel which also outputs 10A.
ok got everything all wired up....everything works BUT it doesnt fold in!!!!.......help plz?.....bloody says soemthin about wiring the motor inside the mirrors?...how u do that?
there shouldn't be any need to wire the motors if you connected the matching wires on the mirror to the relay. (as posted above by bloody)
also:
-recheck all power and ground connections. i remember connecting the ground on the relay in parallel to the ground on the control switch. try that.
-test if the pink wire from the switch is sending a + signal.
-assuming the wiring is correctly done, do you hear the relay click after pressing the retract button? if not, perhaps you have a problem with the relay? (i had that but didn't know it after hours and hours of troubleshooting)
otherwise, you can test the mirrors yourself using a 12V source
connect the 12V source to the Yellow wire and GND to the Green wire
then switch the 12V source to the Brown wire and GND to the Blue wire
you can do the same to the other mirror and see if they open and close correctly
turns out i have a bad relay...because it doesnt click when i push the retract button....any part #s for teh relay?....ill try to have it fixed by some tv repair center....theres this number at the mirrro control relay...ive tried toyots world but it says no match found??
87989-20060
^^^ that number doesnt work either...i tried those numbers with toyotaworld.......exact link:
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=213747&catalogid=0
is there other toyota parts dealer u guys went with?
you can use either the 20060 or 20030 relay, both use the same wires for the mirrors but they're just located at different pins on the harness so the harness will have to match with the relay you get. so try to get the 20060 relay that you have already.
try PMing our european and asian members and see if they're willing to order it for you. last i heard it costs around $60+ or something.
question guys real quick say i got the stock jdm 5gen mirrors do u think they are worth throwing on ur 6gen and yes they retract and all i was just wonderin i was looking for something different but reading all this has me like is it all worth it just looking for some advice on it. and if u guys are really interested in the side mirrors i can get them wit no problem here in japan.
the 5th gen jdm mirrors bolt on no problem and their wires are pretty much the same as the 6th gens.. so if you like the styling of the 5th gen over the 6th mirrors, you may as well go with the 5th gens.
wiring is actually very straight forward, just match them up with the wires on the relay, mirrors, and control switch.. the problem (as i see it) usually lies with the relays being dead or what not, i'm not sure why..
(i'm now on my 3rd relay btw)
a lil kinda off topic (sorry guys)...will u be able to get yoru hands on some relay for the 6gc mirrors?...
part #s:
87989-20030
87989-20060
PM urbandork, he says he's got an extra mirror control box.
ok so its pretty easy so what all do u need to make this work i know the side mirrors and the controller where u push left right and all that what else do i need???? sorry i dont know to much about theses mirrors and stuff
dumb request
does anyone have basic wiring layouts for these? need to know the basics, kinda stumped as to how to connect the mirror control unit to the switch and the motor.
thanks.
my electrician was telling me there was an error on that.. said something about the polarities of the battery connections were mixed up...
thanks azian_advance! Btw, I presume that terminal #3 of the switch goes to the car's "ACC ON", right?
last question azian, what does the Dome 20A mean in the diagram?is it a 20A fuse? if it were, where do i connect the other end of the fuse terminal?
thanks again.
simply connect it to a power source. i have mine wired up to the ACC ignition. otherwise, if you want to keep it simple, you can splice it to the blue w\ yellow wire (the same color as the one on the relay box) which you'll find in the driver-side kick panel.
there's no need to put an inline fuse as there is already a fuse for the Dome lights. (10A i think it is)
Guys. Sort of off-topic but I've got JDM folding mirrors on my car, the one on the left has stopped folding in properly! It tries, Ie:- the motor works when the switch is pressed but instead of folding, it just makes a VERY LOUD clicking noise. Now to me, it sounds like the grear mech inside is worn and the gears aren't meshing properly or something but I'm not sure.
I've not had my mirrors apart (yet) but reading this post it seems like you guys have and I was wondering if the mech inside the mirror is easy to get at? What would I need to do to get my mirror apart without breaking anything? LOL
Any advice would begreatly appreciated!
i'm pretty sure i know what it is....
if you open up your mirrors and remove the black cover for the mirror motor, you'll see the motor with this white plastic "screw-type" gear at the end of it. this white plastic gear 'thingy' popped off the motor's shaft so as the motor spins, it gets pushed outward (since it's still in gear) but then snaps back one gear because of the black cover restricting it's way and pushing it back in.... i had the same problem with my first set of mirrors...
i'm sure you'll figure it out once you open up your mirrors... btw, you'll need something extremely adhesive to stick the plastic 'screw' gear with the metal mirror motor shaft.
Notice the blue arrow is the white screw-type gear i was talking about
** pics found
if its not that worm gear there is a little gear underneath the motor and stuff in the clockwork of gears that will pop out of its little holder. i just took it apart popped it back in and it works fine now
does anyone here wire it with the IG so it folds in when off and out when on??
use a relay and wire it up with ur alarm. when you arm the mirrors will fold in..disarm and the mirrors fold out.
so, being able to bring it back from the dead.
i need the jdm mirrors, and the control. I dont need any realy, but i do need some relays for the folding (any kind or what) i have been reading almost 30 mins.
BTW those who took these apart. I have seen some on ebay, but the housing is cracked, can i transfer all internal componets to my housings or are they pretty much different?
thanks,
the oem relay is clearish-white which came on all currens and 6th gens.. if you get a black one like i did, it's off a 5th gen but will still work, the wiring is slightly different.
also, the housing has a different angle. i remember Coomer saying that theoretically the housings can be swapped (not too sure if he actually did it) but imo i don't think it will work. you need to use the jdm housing in order for the power folding feature to fold/unfold at the right angles.
also make sure you have a part of the harness that comes after the mirror connectors and the same goes for the control switch and the relay. if you don't have these, you're f'ed.
You can just trade out housings. I did and everything transfers over and works fine.
It makes very little difference anyway - I swapped my housings and never noticed a bit of difference [other than the far away mirror being on the wrong side which had me screwed up for a few days ]
Stop worrying over this - swap them out and you'll be fine + no need to repaint/color match
If anyone has the plug n play version meaning they already did the wiring and all I have to do is plug the harness, then I would be gladly interested in this. Sorry to hijack.
To avoid multiple posts i will add on.
So this is my experience, after reading all this 10 pages i came to the most helpful conclusion. The part that helpmed me the most was this!
I told you the USDM housings would work for the JDM folding mirrors - glad you had the same result. For reversing the plug I just cut off the little lock and release tab and simply reversed the plug with the pink one added in. Your way is better but some people may have problems repinning the harness there so there is an easier way for the technically challenged. It doesn't just fall out as you might think - it actually holds quite securely.
Great job on figuring this out [I never would have dreamed it had two negatives - pretty sure that's why I could not get it to work - there would be waaay more combinations to try than I thought].
Now if I can just follow your instructions maybe I can get mine to work as well. I already have my controls working fine and all I want the folding function to do is work with the ignition with a switch to interrupt it's action and stay open when I want it to. In that way I think I'll want mine to be "normally open' [<- completely different sense of the term in this application than from normal wiring ] so that if I hit the switch it will just stay open all the time.
Much props to you man.
Wanna make some for us for a little profit?
radio shack solid coper wire FTL!! making your own relay FTW!!
I am impressed at your set up great job
I'm glad I was able to help I hooked mine up to a 3 way toggle and called it a day
Just a quick question.
Does this controller (R 516) have a build in relay? And how can i recognise? See pics:
I got this mirror from ebay. The owner is not sure wat year of the car is.
Thanks
sorry, for my bad english!
good stuff..
it must've been hell not having a relay.. daym..
i was lucky to find another member here who had a spare relay (cuz mine was burnt! grr).
nvm my relay project kept giving problems.
Mad skillz man - much props. When you go into production I'm your first customer
Indeed i'll be your second customer!
ok guys, i was able to source two jdm relays.
part number 87989-20030 from a celica
part number 87989 - 22010 from a chaser / Mark / A92
both are identical interiors, circuitry and all. all circuitry and everything is the same.
i am connecting the celica here with the diagrams posted and just using 1 mirror.
what happens is that the mirrors opens all the way up and does not stop if its open, and if its closed it tries to close all the way around if its closed.
so the question remains, both relays are identically the same thing., so i have 2 in my hand. but they both do the same thing, the reverse
the next thing will be to check my mirror part number cuz, make sure its a celica. My jdm control is the pink wire so it needs relay. and i have the right relays......
am i doing something wrong,
should i connect two mirrors, did anybody try the relay using just one mirror. did it act funny. cuz it ain't working for me.
any input....
i remember reading a while ago that the mirrors have their own cut off switch that will make the relay stop sending the 'retract' signal when it reaches the open/close position.. i'm not entirely sure how that works.. but i'm leaning towards it being a mirror issue.
i remember when i was toying around with my mirrors before, i put the proper + and - signals to the proper open and close retract wires (ie not using the relay) and the mirrors stopped at the open and close positions on their own even while i was continuously applying the + and - signals to do so.
anyway if the mirrors are not stopping on their own at the proper open/close positions, there is something wrong with the mirrors.
when i manually open and close the mirrors they have a stopping point. but if i invert the polarity, it does the same thing as my relay does.
I know i have the correct part number. should i connect the two mirrors and see what happens?
it's worth a shot.. let us know what happens
but just fyi, you have the correct part number for the jdm 5th gen relay (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/azian_advanced/JDM%20Mirrors/DSC07208.jpg), the 6th gens are http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/azian_advanced/JDM%20Mirrors/DSC07207.jpg and should be white (not black).
i just want to confirm (before i say anything further) did your relay come with the harness? or are you manually connecting them to the pins on the relay?
i have a harness, and i think all relays are the same inside, all that chages is the box cuz i have seen other relays and are same, i have never seen a 20060 from the inside.
the 20060 is slightly different since some of the retracting wires are located at different pins.. but i don't think it matters much.. i hope the harness you got is from a 5th gen not a 6th gen. cuz i know some of those jdm mirror sellers on ebay like to mix and match. they will sell you mirrors for a 6th gen but will find any mirror relay (for any gen) and include it in the sale.
i guess the only thing to do is to make sure your wiring isn't inverted which would cause it to keep forcing itself to open/close without stopping.
so how do i get the 5th gen wiring?
azian the following pic here is #3 supposed to be ground or +12 as
I'm not sure if I posted this already but here's some 5th gen folding mirror info
http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx
i have a couple of 5th gen wiring pictures, but they weren't taken at a good angle to determine what pins they connect to.
i'll post pics when i get to a PC. im on my phone.
the only pictures i have:
yup.
im going to hook up the two mirrors and see waht happens...
ok...
Demystifying the JDM Relay
I got one after months of searching ebay. here is the final thing. After buying 3 JDM relays
1. Cross generation relays don't work with our 6th gen mirrors mirrors
2. The circuitry inside is completely different, as i can prove it.
3. These circuits are not "Non-serviceable parts inside" All parts are able to be traced in the net, and fixed. Due to the rarity of it, if you happen to get one burned, it can be fixed, dont throw it away.
4. Dont even bother or waste your money if the part number is not 87989-20060. I found out the wrong way (80 bucks)
5. This thread must be cleaned lol. Too many pages of non usable info
look at the pictures and guess the right relay!
you are right, the middle one. Its just a bunch of resistors and two relays. Its not plutonium with "mineralite" from mars. Therefore fixable.
The others are a 5th gen celica and a 2 or third gen Mark,Chaser. These other two are identical to each other and some from Ae92 and some MR2.
I wasted hours trying to make the others work, in so many different ways. So please dont wast yours. I found an ebay seller who was selling this relay with some 5th gen mirrors and was willing to part out. He was really nice, he may even join. IDK
for those of you wanting to see a picture here it is. I have yet to wire it. But its the right one.
the wiring diagram is the one already posted. I got mine with a pig tail. But guess what if you have a slave cd, deck or radio you can cut the harness. So go to the nearest junkyard and cut. It may not be color coded but it plugs.
there, my total cost 120 bucks. Each relay for 40 .
I know Stenotsaw is looking for some relays, i was one of the one who contacted him. I now for a fact Death is looking for one. And heck i will even buy another set, as i will be purchasing a second celi in the future.
Good info considdering i've had that relay sitting in my center console for months.
I really need to just have a go at it!
Luckily I got the right relay for mine and followed azian_advanced wiring diagram at the top of page 10 although line up the wire colours and it works without knowing what each is. Because I had the UK heated mirrors to start with I now have hybrid heated electric folding mirrors. Been in a couple of months and still working well anyone in the UK needing help give me a shout
I have problem with wiring, I have 5 gen relay and JDM mirrors, but the wiring diagram placed in this topic shows that blue/white it's ACC and White/black is (-).
But I do not have wires with these colors at all...
I see 3 big wires (I thing it should be power source wires) and colors is Green, White, and Green yellow.
Maybe somebody have 5gen wiring? Please...
Sorry for my english.
5ht gen relay dont work with 6th gen mirrors, believe me i tried. I ended up with 3 relays,,,,
I have 5 gen relay and 5 gen mirrors. It should work.
hae you tried matching the colors. post pics to see. also paste the part no.
do you have the pigtail
I don't know how insert bigest foto, please follow the link:
http://www.bs.lt/celica/mir1.jpg
http://www.bs.lt/celica/mir2.jpg
The part no I thing is 85964-20020
What is pigtail? The connector? Yes I have.
Actually strange, the colors on the mirrors are the same as on the wiring diagram,
But wires do not match on the control relay. Now I cannot make a foto, because it is in the vehicle.
But for example, on the control relay there no wires with blue, blue/white, blue/red, blue/yellow.
are you sure its the right one (relay)
check out this link,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOYOTA-MR2-MK2-HEADLAMP-RETRACTOR-CONTROL-RELAY--_W0QQitemZ260448830303QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090719?IMSfp=TL090719153004r28933
its for the lights retractor of mr2.
these are the relays 5th and 6th gen
do you know where to look, it should be under the dashboard...
no problems,
Installed mirror! Everythink works fine...
I had a chance to wire up the mirrors today and every thing works fine ( 6th gen JDM mirrors) . No relay was needed - Just had the switch and pig tails and mirrors. It took me about an hr to do it. What made it easy for me was using an electrical light tester. I decided to give it a shot without reading the info on here first because I just wanted to see for myself if i was able to do it.
Its very cool - A must have JDM part.
Gen 6 jdm folding mirrorz
pre96 used a control relay to operate the mirrors
Facelift just used the mirror switch to control the mirrors
you can tell the difference as the pre 96 has 1 pink wire that sends the signal to the mirror control relay.
nervermind
this thread needs to be cleaned. too much scattered info.
I picked a set recently...swapped the motors into my USDM mirror housings, re-wired the mirror switch to match the JDM pins, ran 2 wires to each mirror, and BAM, folding mirrors with the touch of a switch.
crappy vid, I'll take more another day.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Batman722/?action=view¤t=15036848235_ORIG.flv
yay !
great work
For those of you who wants 5th gen mirrors on his/hers 6th gen:
schematic of 5th gen power folding mirrors:
to add to the mess of info, i have one of the 94-95 mirror control boxes for sale:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=73373
do you know how to fold in the mirrors ... well electrically that is
like for example if i ground the (making up wires here) purple and green wire for a second they fold in...if i do it again they fold out
i want to hook my folding mirrors up to my alarm aux output (should be easy enough?)
the retract button on the control switch uses a positive signal (pink wire) to signal the mirror control box to open or close the mirrors. so if the aux on your alarm outputs a positive signal, then just splice it with the pink wire on the control switch.
This thread couldn't be brought back from the dead in a more timely way for me
right. there is only the one pink wire for retracting the mirrors for 94-95, but it's more complicated on 96+ because there are 2 retract wires (red with yellow and blue with white) on the control switch.
gotta love the pick wire... thats what i have, with a jdm relay
from page 4
wow I've never really used my folding mirrors. I guess I've taken it for granted
Some people say that we dont need the relay box? Got these mirrors off from a 94 JDM, and I'll got the white relay box with me. Tried to make it work without, but I cant see a way without using the relay box. When you press the fold button, it sends a activation signal, and thats not strong enough to fold the mirrors? And IF you wire it like that, you need to keep the button down until they are completely folded? And what about unfolding them?
each 94-95 mirror uses 4 wires, 2 to open and 2 to close. so the problem is not that the retract button cannot provide enough power to fold the mirrors, but there is no simple way to have that one 'retract button' wire alternate between controlling 2 wires to open then switch to the other 2 wires to close. IF you somehow find a way to wire it like that, YES you will have to hold the retract button down until it closes or opens all the way.
This is a great thread, and I'm only changing over to these because the pass. side mirror housing was badly damaged from one of the previous owners. It looks like some idiot was trying to melt the plastic with a lighter to rejoin the broken piece.
Anyway I grabbed a pair of JDM folding 6G mirrors off eBay with the control switch and they arrived yesterday arvo. I go to unbolt the broken mirror and remove it but it wouldn't come away from the door. Upon closer inspection I realised there was still a screw holding it in place.
How do we get to the screw?
Yeah I was going to do that but then I thought there's no way to get that screw back in again... I suppose it's not really needed though is it?
when you put the new mirror on, it just pops back in the hole. It's a semi safety device so that the mirror doesn't fall when you take off all the bolts
awesome i'll give that a go, thanks man
yeah, no problem at all! GL
I've read through this thread soooooooo many times. LOL
I first had a 96+ version of the side mirrors but the motor on the driver side was defective so I bought another pair and this time with a switch. BUT, the new one I got (which was packaged a whole lot better and is in really awesome condition) is the 94-95 version. I might be asking a stupid question or even a question that has been answered (eventhough I couldn't find it) but I'm so busy with work that when I do have time to sit down and try to learn something new its already 9pm and I'm tired. Please help guys.
I'll take pics of what I got but just to give you an idea of what I'm having trouble with....the set of side mirrors I got also came with the pigtails and the switch as well.
Wires for retract/return on mirror motor are solid green and solid blue.
Wires from pigtail for retract/return on mirror motor are red w/yellow and blue w/white.
Of course from the switch there is only a pink wire that as I understand would connect to the stock relay which then sends the signals out to both mirrors.
My question/problem is that I do not have the stock relay that should have arrived with this pair of mirrors and switch; and would like to use two 5-pin relays and wire mirrors and switch with both 5-pin relays such that polarities would change when I press the push-button on the switch.
I'm not familiar with relays as much and would like assistance from anybody that has probably encountered this same problem or other alternatives with using original switch to control power folding mirrors. If this isn't possible, I suppose I'll deal with using a DPDT switch as was suggested but really would prefer using push-button. :-D
On a side note: if anybody is in need of a passenger side 96+ mirror motor with power folding I'll have it available after I install the pair of folding mirrors I got now.......or maybe somebody out there got a jap relay for the pair of folding mirrors I got now...:-/
thanks in advance for any help.
just read this whole thread. legit.
only question that popped into my mind, "we have heated mirrors?..."
do we though? cause I never knew about it.
This thread will be very helpful for when I install mine
Dustin might help me a little bit though
How hard is it to put the mirror back on after you've popped it off?
is there a special glue or something?
10x easier than taking it off.
IM LOOKING FOR THE RELAY THAT THEY ARE TALKING BOUT IN THIS POST. PLEASEEEEE HELPPP
87989-17020 OR 87989-20060
that part is pretty hard to find....good luck with it.
try to find the switch with the r516 on the back because the relay is built in
I got my mirrors from facelifted jdm gt4. They dont come with a separated relaybox. As i found on UK celica club, after facelift they moved relay into switch. Also theres a difference in retraction mechanism. No need to mod anytning to get a full retraction after LHD conversion
Hey guys, I have a Jdm st205 and there are 5th gen mirrors on it right now though I want to put the 6th gen power folding mirrors on it. I believe I only have one left with no glass on it. If I get myself USDM mirrors I won't be able to make them fold right? I guess the only solution left is to buy a new set, or is it?
yes you can make them fold.
just have to get out of the car and do it manually..
Could anybody help me, I've got this situation;
My mirror is wired (correctly, it's a JDM so there was no modification made). The motor is able to flip it open but it can make it fold as you can see on these 2 videos:
http://s711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/dudeofchaos/?action=view¤t=IMG_0260.mp4
http://s711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/dudeofchaos/?action=view¤t=MyMovie.mp4
It seems like it doesn't have enough strenght to make it fold, I have to help it with my hand or it won't move.
And also the lens only moves from left to right, not up and down.
Anybody knows what's the problem??
i had a similar issue with mine and the problem was that the worm gear popped off the shaft. there's enough resistance to transfer torque from the shaft to the worm gear, but there isn't enough longitudinal resistance along the length of the shaft to keep the gear from popping off.
i simply super-glued the worm gear to the shaft to keep it from popping & clicking like that but it's tricky because the hole in the wormgear is about 1mm and you only need a tiny amount of glue to do it but be careful from gluing the shaft to the motor. i can see the worm gear pop at 00:34 secs in the 2nd video.
Bringing back an old thread to life..
I bought JDM powerfolding mirrors to go on my Gt-Four from FORGMANN.
Original mirrors were already power folding but broken.
The ones I bought from him don't have the same connector and they only have 5 wires (red, black, brown, blue, green). The connector only has 6 pins, 3 on top and 3 on bottom.
Are they powerfolding? What's the difference?
My St204 has power mirrors but there are only 3 wires for each mirror (red, brown and black), so now I don't know what to think..
Anyone could help me out? Thanks!
P.s. I know **** about electric stuff.
the extra wires power the little motors that fold.
Then, if they have 5 wires it means they're not powerfolding then..?
hey im on my phone and having problema going thru all 15 pages
did someome actually made these mirrors work? and eveytime you remove the key do they fold in?
they only fold in when you push the button
Installed asd working perfectly
http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1041.photobucket.com/albums/b419/diegohiga/20130305_181159_zpsa194a7b8.mp4
nice I received mine couple of days ago, I will have to review this to make them work.
any additional information or tips for best results.
i dont remember colors, but i promise u ill get the info on thursday. the colors u talk about are my wires, or your wires, lol....
i need to paint the mirrors, so i have to take them apart.....
Thanks man,
I'm just curious how everyone else did it without the PINK wire and the relay. What did they hook up, did they just run two wires to each mirror and call it a day?
actualy there are 4 wires to each mirror. and 1 wire to the relay..
I have factory worrying for the most part, it's just how the mirrors hook up to the switch, that eludes me. I won't to try and avoid using the relay because I don't want to make custom harnesses to run to the relay.
Just curious how they hook the fold and unfold wires that connect to the mirrors..... to the switch. Through one mirror to the other? To both of the mirrors at the same time. That's what Id like to know... How the regular US guys did it without the relay.. there is no info on that..
u need the switch without the relay.
the pink wire sends a 12 volt signal to the relay to open/close circuit. this switch is only a push type, meaning it wont stay depressed...
each mirror has 4 wires. 2 wires open and 2 wires close. it depends on polarity. or you can use a switch one that stays depressed when pressed and viceversa.
i just went the oem way....
first examine the diferences between both switches, and are there any extra wires?
This thread is SO messy..
Now I finally sourced a couple of retractable mirrors in the correct colour for my ST205 (black of course), but I cannot find one single usable picture of
how I should wire it ? there are a good pic of it for gen5 but not gen6 ? ..the one that i found does not seem to be correct for my mirrors.
Does someone have a nice schematic with the colors and pin positions for the original Eurospec mirror (electrically adjustable and heated) AND the retractable JDM mirror ?
Are the connector of those two the same ? if not, does anyone know what this connector is called, or maybe a partnumber of it.
I plan to use neither the relay or the original switch, just let it automatically retract when i turn of ignition, and do some own solution with a relay or some logic to fix the switch of polarity.
..My ST205 is a eurospec (LHD) from 1996, the mirrors are also from a JDM ST205 but I have no clue from what year.
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