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Posted by: playr158 Oct 10, 2004 - 12:20 PM

OK after about 10 min....3 15amp fuses and some playing

if you hook the RED wire at the MIRROR to a power source
then a GROUND to the BLACK wire at the MIRROR you get it to move DOWN
then a GROUND to the BROWN wire at the MIRROR you it to move RIGHT

thats as much info as i have now....
BUT that is not goin through the "relay/control switch" that is just wires to wires

Posted by: playr158 Oct 10, 2004 - 3:21 PM

on the mirror the two outside wires on eachside *all the wires EXCEPT the brown, red, and black* control the retractable motor......you can put positive on the left and ground on the right and it goes one way...switch the wires and it goes the other way....same for both sides

Posted by: playr158 Oct 10, 2004 - 4:23 PM

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Posted by: NEVERSTOP Oct 11, 2004 - 11:27 PM

thats awesome.. I was gonna mess around with mine today but ended up not having time.. did you get urs to work fully??>?

Posted by: Coomer Oct 12, 2004 - 1:53 AM

Don't you still need the relay box so that the box can sense motor resistance and stop applying power to the motors?

Posted by: playr158 Oct 12, 2004 - 9:09 AM

neverstop-no i havn't gotten them to work cause i havn't gotten it compatable with the relay box that you control it with

Coomer-yes you still need it i'm still trying to figure out how to do it

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Oct 12, 2004 - 11:33 AM

wait.... relay box?? is there something I'm missing?

I have the mirrors and the little controller thing you pop into your door panel to replace the stock one... is there something else?

Posted by: playr158 Oct 12, 2004 - 2:30 PM

no the controller thing for the door IS the relay wink.gif

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Oct 12, 2004 - 9:24 PM

okay cool biggrin.gif

edit: hurry up! LOL j/k but I do want mine to work also and wanna see if you figure it out.

also want suggestions on how to make it work with the ignition.. like you turn on the car and they fold out and turn off the car and they fold in

Posted by: playr158 Oct 12, 2004 - 10:35 PM

yea well i'm on GMU's dive team, and that is a ton of time i have to do that.....and i'm getting really pissed about it so i'm trying to quite maybe so i'll have more time.....and my pop's is goin to help me work on them when i have free time so i'll let you know NEVER when i get the time.........and when i said the two wires on each end of the plug that is onthee actual mirror do the retracting i believe one side's wires are the button and the other sides mirrors are the ignition you can try and find out which side is which

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 1, 2004 - 12:51 AM

ne updates on this???

I messed around with mine a little today.. I got most of the functions to work on the drivers side mirror.. I just cant seem to make it go down frown.gif

The mirrors moving is AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I cant wait to have it all hooked up.

Playr... some of my pins are different than yours.. Im hopefully gonna try and work on it some more tomorrow and I'll make a cool little diagram like yours to compare.

edit: is it possible that toyota made different versions of the folding mirrors?? the back of my relay box has a total of 10 pins in it... 6 across the top row and then two section on the lower row of two each

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 1, 2004 - 9:51 AM

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Heres what I got

Do you guys have this piece?

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-Ti

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 1, 2004 - 10:11 AM

QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Oct 31, 2004 - 11:51 PM)

edit: is it possible that toyota made different versions of the folding mirrors?? the back of my relay box has a total of 10 pins in it... 6 across the top row and then two section on the lower row of two each

My relay has even more:
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Relay
6 across the top left to right:
Blue/White
Blue/Red
Space
Blue/Yellow (this is the only one i cant figure out)
Pink
Green/Yellow
Red/Yellow

5 across the bottom:
Blue
Brown
White/Black
Space (Clip)
Yellow
Green


The Actual control unit, the piece on the door that you push that makes the mirrors move
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Contorl Unit
4 across the top row:
White/Black
Teal/Red
Space
Space
Teal
Gray

4 across the bottom row:
Brown/Yellow
Brown/White
Space (clip)
Teal/Black
Pink


Left mirror - drivers mirror USDM/Passenger Mirror JDM
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Left Mirror
5 across the top row:
Green/Yellow
Space
Teal/Black
Teal/Red
Teal
Blue/Red

2 across bottom row:
Red/Yellow
Space (clip)
Blue/White


Right mirror - passenger's side USDM/Driver's Side JDM
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Right mirror
5 across the top row:
Yellow
Space
Brown/Yellow
Teal/Red
Brown/White
Brown

2 across the bottom row:
Green
Space (clip)
Blue


Now each of these wires can be matched to another except Blue/Yellow in the relay itself. This could be ground though. Let me know guys.

-Ti

Posted by: Consynx Nov 1, 2004 - 10:30 AM

blue/yellow, sounds like a remote control wire...that would be amazing...
j/k

so what all of you are sying is that each set of mirrors is different...great

Posted by: playr158 Nov 1, 2004 - 11:58 AM

ok we didn't get that relay box.....we only have the control unit that goes in the door......

and the wires are the same for all of them
but why do we need the USDM mirrors----you got that wrong those are only 3 wire
you posted the JDM mirror wires

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 1, 2004 - 12:03 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 1, 2004 - 10:58 AM)
ok we didn't get that relay box.....we only have the control unit that goes in the door......

and the wires are the same for all of them
but why do we need the USDM mirrors----you got that wrong those are only 3 wire
you posted the JDM mirror wires

didn't understand you here?

Neverstop is missing the relay too?, and I posted all of the JDM stuff.... No USDM in there.

Also found this, for a 5th, but it might help

http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx

-Ti

EDIT: ohhhh, i see what you meant.... No, those ARE JDM specs i gave.... I said USDM driver because I didn't wanna confuse people if I said Driver's mirror (meaning left) and they thought right because of the JDM.

Posted by: playr158 Nov 1, 2004 - 1:29 PM

lol there ya go wink.gif

yea i don't have that cpu relay box i wanna find a way to get around it since its not really easy to find

Posted by: defgeph Nov 1, 2004 - 5:42 PM

My set of mirrors are on the way, with control & relay. I'll try to add what I can when I get them. I got the 6th gens as well. I also want to find out how to hook them up so they open when starting the car, and close when you shut off the car.

Guess I'm a 6 g c p i m p haha

Later,
DEF

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 1, 2004 - 5:51 PM

QUOTE (defgeph @ Nov 1, 2004 - 4:42 PM)
My set of mirrors are on the way, with control & relay. I'll try to add what I can when I get them. I got the 6th gens as well. I also want to find out how to hook them up so they open when starting the car, and close when you shut off the car.

Guess I'm a 6 g c p i m p haha

Later,
DEF

wink.gif , now you can add that little power folding mirror slogan into your sig like Never and I. YOU TO PLAYR!

-Ti

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 2, 2004 - 12:12 AM

I just got the set that was on ebay. I am kinda excited but I think I am having second thoughts.

I might want to sell these instead of installing them. No extra charge, just what I paid. Any interest, PM me.

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 12:47 AM

batman.. I might be interested if it has all the parts.. could always use an extra set

Posted by: defgeph Nov 2, 2004 - 1:02 AM

his are missing the relay, I was biding on those but backed out when I found out I needed the relay.

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 2, 2004 - 12:21 PM

I emailed the guy I outbid and it looks like he will take them. Unless anyone here wants them. Let me know

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 12:27 PM

NOTICE TO ALL:

I suggest that unless you are very good at electronics, DO NOT bid on Power Folding mirrors until one of the 5 of us figure out if they will work.

1. Has to figure out wiring
2. Has to figure out movement or glass transfer so I can see out of them

Of course, if you want to buy them go ahead.... but better safe than sorry. Any updates guys?

-Ti

Posted by: playr158 Nov 2, 2004 - 12:41 PM

yo if you have that relay box i want it NOW....lol
but i need that since i gues you have to have it

6gc PIMPS

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 2, 2004 - 1:03 PM

TI, is there a part # on that relay box ? That would be the key to everything...

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 1:35 PM

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TI, is there a part # on that relay box ? That would be the key to everything...


duh@! lol why didnt I think of that wink.gif

If you can find a part number TI put it up here and I'll try and locate it ASAP... think I will call jeff at toyota world today also and see what he can come up with.

QUOTE
2. Has to figure out movement or glass transfer so I can see out of them


Im gonna try and do that today if I can get away from work long enuf to rip the extra set off the 94... think it should be no problem at all

Posted by: playr158 Nov 2, 2004 - 2:09 PM

yea if i can get a part numer i will love you forever once i have that its a matter of a few hours till we can hook them up

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 3:04 PM

okay... think where in luck with the mirror swap.. I opened up my pass side JDM and USDM.. you basially have to use a flat screwdriver and pop off the glass... stick the screwdriver on the underside of the mirror (bottom) and pop it off. You need to remove 3 screws and the motor assembly for the mirror will come out.. there are 3 wires that have to be cut. luckily there red, black and brown on both JDM and USDM.. so hopefully there the same function for both. I will finish putting the USDM mirror in the JDM housing in a few mins and let you guys know if it can move still like the USDM one.

Here are a few pics of the USDM one:

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Posted by: BenMMellor Nov 2, 2004 - 3:28 PM

Looks like us BRITS will have to help you guys out YET AGAIN !!!!!

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http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=20810

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 2, 2004 - 3:36 PM

This is nice biggrin.gif the site doesn't mention the relay. Only the control unit ( which is the part on the door panel, right ?

edit : the pic
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Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 3:37 PM

KICKA$$ ben once agian you have been nothing but helpful biggrin.gif

just wish I had time at the moment to read the whole howto

as for the mirror swap... WORKED PERFECT! no probs at all and even got to retain the JDM glass! and we all know how important that is wink.gif

Like 5 extra HP just in the glass biggrin.gif

The only prob I had is when I spliced together the wires I tried to use posilocks.. which where too big to fit into the allowed space for the wires.. you'll see what I mean when you open them up yourselfs.. TO get around this I just used electircal tape and then heat shrinked over it... worked perfect... its nice to be able to see outta my pass mirror agian smile.gif

Gonna do the drivers either later tonight or tomorrow - dont expect ne probs with it but will post results regardless

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 4:31 PM

since I love you all

I'm not sure of the part number but heres whats written on top. I assume it is, but no flaming if its not.

Toyota Mirror Control
12V
87989- [20030]

The 20030 is raised up

Hope that helps

-Ti

But from that write up it looks like you dont need the relay as your stock one will do. YEAH US!


Posted by: playr158 Nov 2, 2004 - 4:39 PM

hmmmmmm site bookmarked for when i get the celi back and running smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif i foundly found a reason why the brits are usefull;)wink.gif

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 4:43 PM

wait maybe not

Playr heres your pic

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just like mine........

We have a Pink (Light Red) wire in the upper right. They have a Red/Yellow and a Blue/White wire.... how do we overcome this?

-Ti

Posted by: BenMMellor Nov 2, 2004 - 4:44 PM

once again I can't take the credit.. one of the UK club members sorted it out.. all kudos goes to him.. I just like to share information out.

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 4:46 PM

I just looked..... I have a Red/Yellow and a Blue/White wire on my relay though...

Posted by: playr158 Nov 2, 2004 - 4:47 PM

hmmm i could have gotten different reactions on my set because i didn't have the relay(the box) so that could have made things different i say go with that site cause the box changes alot

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 4:52 PM

I would go with the site

BUT!

That site has 9 wires in the control unit

Mine only has 8

Instead of the Red/Yellow and Blue/White - I have a Pink

-Ti

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 2, 2004 - 5:09 PM

I will have my mirrors in about a week or so. A few days after that I will have them hooked up and working properly. Honestly, I don't really care if they can't be adjusted with the switch, just as long as they fold in and out biggrin.gif

I will try to wire them without the relay like on that site and have them work 100% normally. If not I will order the relay. I have wired plenty of things before and I will be able to figure these out when I get them.

NEVER, if you are able to get the stock relay let me know.

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 5:14 PM

I emailed the writer of that how-to. If he emails me back i'll let you guys know.

-Ti

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 7:27 PM

First Reply from Silver GT

QUOTE
Hi Ti,
I didn't get a relay with mine, just the mirrors and the control unit. I'm not sure what a relay would do. I had no instructions at all with mine and the guy who sold me them wouldn't answer my emails when I started asking questions, so basically I just pulled everything apart to find out how it worked (I'm an electrician so it wasn't too hard).

I'm away from home at the moment, visiting relatives, so I've got nothing with me, but I'll be home on thursday and I'll have a look at the drawings and notes I made and see if I can help.

Graham


Well, I guess well have to wait and see

-Ti

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 8:29 PM

okay guys where gonna need to pool everything together that we know.

My relay has ten pin plugs on the back of it... kinda looks like this

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I also didn't get the male side of the harness for the JDM relay.. so I had to make my own.. luckily I had an extra harness plug layin around and only had to add two new wires into it to make it work

and the part numbers on the back of my relay are as follows:

Green circut board #:183362

Harness (female side) #:361-2030

That how to is very helpful.. but think I will have to rely on the pin numbers and not the wire colors.

If someone else has the 10 pin style that came with the stock wires still on it PLEASE follow the diagram above for the #'s

Like:
1:white with blue strip
2:pink with silver spots

ETC

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 9:17 PM

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Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 10:16 PM

okay thats weird then TI.. cuz the harness I used had those wires EXACTLY before I added two extras.. but why the 2 extra pins in the female harness????

Also.. some bad news for you guys... the mirror swap doesnt work on the drivers side.. at least not like the pass did

try adding washers to some of the screws to give the assembly more of an angle and that works but the mirror sticks out too far and when its folded back will hit the part of the mirror attached to the door.

this weekend I am gonna try and tear apart both mirrors.. USDM and JDM and see if I can swap the mounting part inside.. will photoshop some pics to explain better what I am talking about

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 2, 2004 - 10:55 PM

Hey Never, Just thought about it

I did that drawing with the wiring pointing to me, and the harness plugged in. If you at looking at the front of the harness (the part that plugs in, the just mirror the image over. I dont know why there are 2 extra pins either - hum. This might be bigger than I thought. I'll do some work this weekend.

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 11:04 PM

well if you read the howto thing all the wires are the exact same as ours and his except theres one extra wire in his..

I'm gonna try and get the drivers working TONIGHT!

LOL

his how to seems pretty straight forward though and I got a ton of extra harnesses with my mirrors so hopefully I can figure em out

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 2, 2004 - 11:32 PM

hey one of you guys.. do me a favor really quick.. run out to your car with the JDM relay and plug it into your stock wiring harness and see if the mirrors will work like up down sides.. according to this guys howto it should

Posted by: WannabeGT4 Nov 2, 2004 - 11:55 PM

Hey Neverstop! You want an avatar that has a seemless loop to it? Cause here it is.

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Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 3, 2004 - 12:03 AM

naw takes too long.. what I want is my MIRRORS to do that!

errrrgh,., think that guys howto is not accurate for the USDM celi

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 3, 2004 - 12:20 AM

just some posts about them from the UK board
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=20650
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=18374
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=14714

all info is good...

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 3, 2004 - 12:39 AM

I give up frown.gif

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 3, 2004 - 1:21 AM

QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Nov 2, 2004 - 11:39 PM)
I give up frown.gif

is there room on that bench.....

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 3, 2004 - 2:04 AM

so no one ( USDM people ) have gotten these to work ?

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 3, 2004 - 3:15 AM

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so no one ( USDM people ) have gotten these to work ?


Not that I know of.. I have gotten all of the functions to work at one point or another but can't seem to make em all work with the same wiring.....

Its like 50% of them are + leads even though thats impossible for them to all be that way.... the retracing mirrors seem to work where the current is reversed threw the same 2 or 3 wires but cant seem to figure that one out either

I have tired wiring it as close as possible to the way the Howto said... NOPE dont work, have tried matching the same pins.. not that either... have color matched.. nadda.. have tried hit and miss.. all that got be was a shorted out circut that I managed to fix

Im starting to wonder if my relay was damaged to begin with but cant see ne visable signs other than the short I put into it wink.gif

I can get the mirror to work just fine by using a batter and some wires..and can get power to go threw the relay using a wire tester but when I hook the wires up to the mirror via the relay it DOENST do nething... theres even power to the wires@! and the same pins... might be a problem with neutral/chassie wire but who knows have tried running a seperate ground to the chassie and a power via the relay and that didnt work but the wire was hot so it shoulda worked

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 3, 2004 - 9:43 AM

I'll try my JDM relay this weekend

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 3, 2004 - 9:53 AM

jeez frown.gif once I get mine I will compare what harness and wire color and # of wires I have to everyone elses. We will get this all figured out. It is just a matter of time.

If the mirror (folding motor) works when you hardwire it to a battery then there is still plenty of hope for this.

worse comes to worse, get the left right up down to work (or not) and harewire the folding using $3 relays to reverse the polarity

Posted by: playr158 Nov 3, 2004 - 1:32 PM

you have to use the JDM control not the usdm one...it will never work with any usdm parts

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 3, 2004 - 5:14 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 3, 2004 - 12:32 PM)
you have to use the JDM control not the usdm one...it will never work with any usdm parts

that is my JDM control unit. I have all the JDM peices, including the relay... and i'm still stuck. frown.gif

-Ti

Posted by: defgeph Nov 3, 2004 - 5:23 PM

damn I thought you guys would make it easy for me. Has Anyone tried hooking the mirrors up to a battery and figuring out the functions of each wire ? still havent received mine yet. Wish I could shed some light.

DEF

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 3, 2004 - 7:54 PM

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that is my JDM control unit. I have all the JDM peices, including the relay... and i'm still stuck.

-Ti


well since you have EVERYTHING you should be the one to figure this out for us wink.gif

LOL there should only be like 3 or 4 wires you will have to hook up


QUOTE
damn I thought you guys would make it easy for me. Has Anyone tried hooking the mirrors up to a battery and figuring out the functions of each wire ? still havent received mine yet. Wish I could shed some light.


yea tried that and got every function to work but not at the same time or nething like that... its suck a bish to figure this out frown.gif

Posted by: playr158 Nov 3, 2004 - 10:47 PM

if he has everything shouldn't it be a straight wire up?

control switch to relay box

relay box to mirror?


oh and so we clarafi things......control switch is the one were you push the buttons

relay is the stupid black box that TI has

and the mirrors are the things on the outside of your car

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 3, 2004 - 11:06 PM

The mirrors are on the outside ? opps frown.gif I screwed up.

NEVER, you might want to try using a relay or 2. Have you wired relays before ? If you need to reverse a polarity use these diagrams http://relays.4all.cc/

also, you said you can make the mirrors move (fold) with a battery hardwired right ? What wires and what polarity ?


Posted by: playr158 Nov 3, 2004 - 11:15 PM

the two wires on the out side of either side (2 farthest left or right wires) polarity doesn't matter one way will move out and one way moves in

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 3, 2004 - 11:20 PM

yea I just used a little 9vlt battery

think some of my prob is I had 3 shorts in my circut board.. I did one of em but never noticed the other 2 cuz they where hidden under some whitish goey ****.

I soddered in some copperwire to fix everything and hotglued overem so hopefully that helps.

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if he has everything shouldn't it be a straight wire up?

control switch to relay box

relay box to mirror?


not quite but almost.. he will still have to splice into the USDM harness to make it all work but that should only be power and ground/chassis


***BTW THERE IS A RELAY BOX ON EBAY - DON'T BID ON IT ITS MINE!!!!!!!***

its just for toyota.. the guy didnt know what vehicle it was for but still its mine biggrin.gif

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 3, 2004 - 11:23 PM

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NEVER, you might want to try using a relay or 2. Have you wired relays before ? If you need to reverse a polarity use these diagrams here (relay diagrams)


that link might of well just said,"AHTEJAHTAWJTKJAKTHJAHTJA THAJHTKA A HATJHE ATHATHKAKJKDCNEKC NIOMEAO;NGAN AJKLSDJFLJLA" cus thats about as much since as it made to me wink.gif

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 3, 2004 - 11:46 PM

I'm sorry to hear that wink.gif anyway, my guess with this whole mess is - the control unit (JDM switch that goes in the door) probaly gets wired in with the up righ left down similar to US/UK/JDM (whatever the wire colors are, they are all there and will work). The wires that are for the folding go to a relay (or 2) and then to BOTH of the mirror motors (safer that way). The UK write up just bypasses the relay(s) and goes strait to each mirror motors individually (not as safe).

I will have my mirrors and switch in 6 days and on Wednesday I will be installing them. I will probaly get buy two $3 relays from radioshack to replace the toyota one because that is all it is.

NEVER, learn about relays !!!!!!!!!!! you are buying one. You are going to need to know how to install it properly.

I wish you guys lived close to me, I would be able to get these done.

Posted by: 1bwilson Nov 4, 2004 - 12:30 AM

Batman, you wire the harnesses and they will come.

Get it working and name your price.

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 4, 2004 - 8:50 AM

Hey guys, the panic's over, the doctor has arrived wink.gif

My name's Graham, I'm from merry olde England, I've got a '98 Celica GT, and I've fitted JDM electric folding mirrors and made them work biggrin.gif


So any questions you've got, ask away.

Firstly, any of you that have got a control relay, throw it away. You don't need it!

Next, for anyone who hasn't already got it, here's the circuit diagram for the existing mirrors on the USDM cars http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/photos/cirdiag2.gif


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Posted by: Batman722 Nov 4, 2004 - 10:36 AM

That's what I'm talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 4, 2004 - 10:42 AM

How the JDM mirrors work.

There are just 2 wires for the retractor motor, blue and green. If you apply power to one wire and ground the other, the motor runs one way. If you reverse the polarity it runs the other way. The motor has internal limit switches to switch it off when it reaches the end of it's travel, so the power can be left on all the time.


The connections on the JDM control.
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1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster
5 - chassis
6 - power +12v
7 - right horizontal adjuster
8 - right vertical adjuster
9 - common feed to adjusters
10 - left horizontal adjuster



As for relays, I take your point about using them to save the switch, but in this case the motor current is tiny and I wouldn't have thought it necessary.


The corresponding USDM loom colors

1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LG
8 - right vertical adjuster - LG/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LG/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W

GY = Grey
W = White
BK = Black
BL = Blue
BR = Brown
R = Red
Y = Yellow
GR = Green
LG = Light Green

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 4, 2004 - 2:05 PM

thanks SilverGt, i'm the one who emailed you

Are you sure that is the controls for ALL JDM control units?

I only ask because I board looks different

-Ti


Posted by: turboinduction Nov 4, 2004 - 2:09 PM

And one more.... yeah

Now assuming the break down you gave us above is correct for all models, how do we go about working with it. Does the stock USDM harness plug right in and all we have to do is splice in the two extra wires for retract and expand? Thanks

-Ti

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 4, 2004 - 3:04 PM

QUOTE (turboinduction @ Nov 4, 2004 - 7:05 PM)
Are you sure that is the controls for ALL JDM control units?

I only ask because I board looks different

-Ti

I've got no idea. The truth is I've only seen the one I've got, and I never got to see the car it came from.

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 4, 2004 - 3:11 PM

QUOTE (turboinduction @ Nov 4, 2004 - 7:09 PM)
And one more.... yeah

Now assuming the break down you gave us above is correct for all models, how do we go about working with it.  Does the stock USDM harness plug right in and all we have to do is splice in the two extra wires for retract and expand?  Thanks

-Ti

The JDM plugs and sockets are different to the ones in my car, so no, it didn't just plug in. You could cut the plugs off and just join up the new wires, but I choose to splice in behind the plugs so that all the original stuff is still there.

But in essence, all you have to do is connect up the existing wiring to the new control as the old one was, and add the 2 wires for the retractors.

Posted by: defgeph Nov 4, 2004 - 10:09 PM

Sweet, I recieved my mirrors today. SilverGT thanks for the great info ! Could you take pictures of your wires and how they are spliced.

also, how did you run the retract wires up to the mirror ?

Thanks,
DEF

Posted by: playr158 Nov 4, 2004 - 10:20 PM

yea your pins are different then mine for the control...


i have 3 on top and 5 on bottom
1 in the top left two on the top right
and five straight across the bottom

Posted by: playr158 Nov 4, 2004 - 10:21 PM

oh and i don't understand a single thing on that last think posted

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 4, 2004 - 10:35 PM

I've got a pink wire - anyone know what that does. Its part of the cut off harness thats in my JDM control unit......

-Ti

Posted by: playr158 Nov 4, 2004 - 10:42 PM

this is how my wires are
3 top pins
top left pin : brown wire w/ silver spots
top middle pin but on the right side: blue wire w/ red stripe
top Right pin: gray wire w/silver spots
bottom pins from left to right:
pink w/black strip
pink w/white strip
puke green w/black strip
puke green w/red strip
red w/ silver spots

edit= all wires have silver spots lol

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 4, 2004 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 4, 2004 - 9:42 PM)
this is how my wires are
3 top pins
top left pin : brown wire w/ silver spots
top middle pin but on the right side: blue wire w/ red stripe
top Right pin: gray wire w/silver spots
bottom pins from left to right:
pink w/black strip
pink w/white strip
puke green w/black strip
puke green w/red strip
red w/ silver spots

edit= all wires have silver spots lol

wow thats completely different

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 4, 2004 - 10:50 PM

Oh yea!

BE JEALOUS!!!

got all functions to work.. and I ended up not even using the control box.. will post more later as to how.. just dont have time at the moment

Posted by: fastgt Nov 4, 2004 - 10:57 PM

ass

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 4, 2004 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE
ass


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okay heres the quick version of how I did it.. will make a scematic of later on.

Basically I used the stock control box to control the mirror functions ex up down lf rt.

Then I used two relay boxes to reverse the polarity of the pos and neg for the retract.

I also used a power window switch for the control of the mirror functions... wish it could of been different but this will work until I can locate a stock relay for the mirrors... that and my JDM control switch isnt in the greatest condition nemore.

bascially what happense is when I push down on the switch the mirror fold in.. and when I push up on the switch the mirrors fold out.

what happens is the wires coming out of the relays switch back and forth between pos and neg.

I had to use all four of the retract pins on the mirror harness... what I did was ran the two lines off of the relays into two of the pins and then had to jump them to the other two pins for the retact on the other side of the harness.... you have to cross the wires to

ex: if you look at the mirror harness and look at the outer pins there are a total of 4 pins.. two on each side that are vertical. you need to plug both wires from the relays into these and then jump both of em to the other side... but you have to make the wires cross instead of going straight across.. this might be confusing I kknow.. will lay it out clearly for you guys sometime either late tonight or tomorrow sometime... you will know real quick if you have got em wrong cuz it will make the power blink off in your car wink.gif


Posted by: Batman722 Nov 5, 2004 - 12:19 AM

you used relays ? nice. I hope that link I posted helped in some way. I will have mine and wired in about a week biggrin.gif

Posted by: playr158 Nov 5, 2004 - 12:20 AM

your an ass never.......how you do that then not give a CLEAR EXPLANATION you only talk in neverstop speak DAMN YOU

Posted by: defgeph Nov 5, 2004 - 1:22 AM

ok,who has 5th gen mirrors and who has 6th gens.

I have 6th gens.
Dan has 5th gens
ti has 6th gens
Neverstop ??
Batman has 6th gens

Dont want everyone confused on wire color anymore or pin location

Posted by: playr158 Nov 5, 2004 - 2:03 AM

ah see thats why its different i HAVE 5TH gen mirrors

damn it.....looks like i have to find a 5th gen board and check around

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 5, 2004 - 5:33 AM

QUOTE (defgeph @ Nov 5, 2004 - 3:09 AM)
Sweet, I recieved my mirrors today.  SilverGT thanks for the great info ! Could you take pictures of your wires and how they are spliced.

also, how did you run the retract wires up to the mirror ?

Thanks,
DEF

To splice the wires in I used these little things
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I don't know if you have these over there. You don't have to cut or strip the wires, you just lay the wire in and close it up with a pair of pliers.

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This is the best photo I've got of the new wiring.


How did I run the retract wires up to the mirror? The new mirrors already have the wires for the retractor motors. I added wires in mine to supply the heated glass and I explained how I did that on the How 2 page.

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 5, 2004 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 5, 2004 - 1:03 AM)
ah see thats why its different i HAVE 5TH gen mirrors

damn it.....looks like i have to find a 5th gen board and check around

well that explains alot.

I also figured mine out. My JDM relay is an acting polarity changer. My pink wire goes to the relay, from there I have the blue and green (retractor + and - ). So when I push my button, it sends the signal to my relay and thus changes polarity. I dont think it'll be hard at all now, thanks to the USDM loom break down Silver GT gave us.


What I'll do when I get back (monday) is check my stock relay to see if they are the same unit. My JDM mirrors/relay/control unit came off a 97 and I have a 97. So if they are the same, I'll tell you which pin the pink (or whatever color) goes to and which pins the green and blue come off of. This way we can all have the JDM control unit working in our cars. smile.gif

-Ti

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 5, 2004 - 3:38 PM

mine are 6gc ones wink.gif

Posted by: playr158 Nov 5, 2004 - 6:55 PM

curse you all wtf am i supposed to do frown.gif

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 5, 2004 - 7:12 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 5, 2004 - 11:55 PM)
curse you all wtf am i supposed to do frown.gif

Take them apart and have a look at the motors. Toyota may have used the same ones and you may be able to build them into your existing mirrors.

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 5, 2004 - 9:49 PM

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Posted by: Batman722 Nov 5, 2004 - 9:55 PM

nice. Relays are fun and easy biggrin.gif

EDIT: playr158, just put the motors in your mirrors. Then just wire the motors to work. With the 2 links posted - http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html and http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx you should be able to mount the motor your existing housing and then just wire them in.

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 5, 2004 - 11:09 PM

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the blue arrow is the main gear.. I had to redo the glue inside cuz the driver side mirror was loose and it would spin out too far and not let the mirror move back out.

the red arrow is pointin at the powerthingy for the motor.. I had to reset the motor a few times when I was figurin out everything.. unhookin that and then pluggin it back in seems to be the way to do it

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Posted by: Batman722 Nov 5, 2004 - 11:17 PM

after doing some research I have a question for SliverGT

looking at the UK how 2 on http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html

The old and new wire colours for the control units are the same so you just join colour to colour
Control unit Power = GY
Chassis = W/BK
Common feed = LG/R
Right Vert. = LG/BK
Right Hori. = LG
Left Vert. = BR/Y
Left Hori. = BR/W
Retractor + = R/Y
Retractor - = BL/W

and looking at your USDM loom colors

The corresponding USDM loom colors

1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LGR
8 - right vertical adjuster - LGR/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LGR/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W


2 wires don't match up - the RH and the common feed are switched. Just a mistake ? Are you sure the USDM / UK / JDM control unit wires all match up ? or are they different with the USDM (2 wires) ?

EDIT : also, the + and - from the mirrors just go directly to the + and - of the control unit ?

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 5, 2004 - 11:45 PM

After more research, NEVER, that is some funky riggin wink.gif question : you still have them hooked to your window switch, right ? So, you could hook that setup to an external 3 way switch in the dash and keep your stock (USDM) mirror switch, right ?

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 6, 2004 - 12:20 AM

QUOTE
After more research, NEVER, that is some funky riggin  question : you still have them hooked to your window switch, right ? So, you could hook that setup to an external 3 way switch in the dash and keep your stock (USDM) mirror switch, right ?


um if I read that right YES I just ran and external switch completly independent of the JDM control switch.. in fact once all the wires are completly ran and everything is tucked away nicely the only thing that will be JDM is the mirrors them selves and the harness that is with the mirrors... I will wire everything up so the harness that pluges into the female side of the mirror will be wired into the Door harness

Right now theres just a buncha wires inside the car to make everything work.. I am waint for the adhesive to dry completely before I hook both mirrors up at the same time but I have gotten each to work by themselves.. just did the driver side with it all taken apart and the pass fully assembled. I see no reason why this setup shouldnt work and is a quick easy fix for those that didnt get the stock relay. also think until we get the actual wiring all figured out this would be the route to go wink.gif

Posted by: playr158 Nov 6, 2004 - 12:24 AM

can someone explain what i have to do with these damned 5th gen mirrors??????
swap all the motors into my stock mirrors?
how would i wire?
switch?
keep the stocker?

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 6, 2004 - 12:30 AM

plyr - dissamebly your 5th gen ones and if the motor looks the same as what I posted for ya then you should be able to do this no prob... the mirrors arent hard to take apart... diffenly follow the howto on the UK site.. and HEATING the screws underneath makes a HUGE difference.

I cant really see it being too hard to fit the motors into the 5th gen version cuz they look alot like the 6gc ones.. the only thing that might cause probs is gettin the 6gc glass in there.... alot of that would depend on how the insides are

my suggestion:

take it apart and check everything out. if it looks like a go then get r done and well figure out wiring later... its only about 7 wires max wink.gif

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 6, 2004 - 12:30 AM

dbl post frown.gif

Posted by: playr158 Nov 6, 2004 - 12:38 AM

mmmk
well i'll take a mirror off in a few days.....and pop things open on the jdm and usdm and take sum pics

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 6, 2004 - 12:40 AM

well do the JMDs one 1st.. I got some pics of the USDM ones opened up.. some are posted here and can take more if I need too.. that way you dont possibly mess up your stockers if you end up not being able to swap the mirror shells

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 6, 2004 - 6:18 AM

QUOTE (Batman722 @ Nov 6, 2004 - 4:17 AM)
after doing some research I have a question for SilverGT

looking at the UK how 2 on http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html

The old and new wire colours for the control units are the same so you just join colour to colour
Control unit Power = GY
Chassis = W/BK
Common feed = LG/R
Right Vert. = LG/BK
Right Hori. = LG
Left Vert. = BR/Y
Left Hori. = BR/W
Retractor + = R/Y
Retractor - = BL/W

and looking at your USDM loom colors

The corresponding USDM loom colors

1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LGR
8 - right vertical adjuster - LGR/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LGR/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W


2 wires don't match up - the RH and the common feed are switched. Just a mistake ? Are you sure the USDM / UK / JDM control unit wires all match up ? or are they different with the USDM (2 wires) ?

EDIT : also, the + and - from the mirrors just go directly to the + and - of the control unit ?

OK sorry, it's me that's made a mistake. rolleyes.gif

What I've done is use different codes for wire colors each time.
In one place I've abbrieviated Light Green to LG and in another place LGR. So LG/R and LGR/R are the same thing.
I'll go back and edit my posts so that everything matches.
Incidently, I know that the UK and US colors match up because the circiut diagram I've got is a US one and it matches my car.

The + and - from the mirrors do go directly to the + and - of the control unit. I didn't mark the control unit connections as + and - because it doesn't matter which way they go. The button on the control isn't marked, it just presses in and out, so it works both ways round.

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 6, 2004 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE
The + and - from the mirrors do go directly to the + and - of the control unit. I didn't mark the control unit connections as + and - because it doesn't matter which way they go. The button on the control isn't marked, it just presses in and out, so it works both ways round.


now do your mirrors work both ways? or maybe Im missunderstanding. cuz for mine to work I had to use all for pins with two wires jumped over to the other side of the harness and had to use two reverse polarity relays.

*Update on mine*

well reassembled everything on the driver side mirror and hook both up... WORKED PERFECTLY.. right up until the glue gave out on the main gear.. posted about that before, so gonna try a stronger adhesive and if that dont work.. well time for a new motor but otherwise the mirrors KICKA$$ biggrin.gif

Edit: someone should start goin threw all this jumbled info we got and make a newtopic/HOWto type thing... like a thread that doens have replies.. just the straight up info

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 6, 2004 - 5:17 PM

Once I get mine I will make a good how-to with pictures. (probably Tues or Wed)

I still don't understand why NEVER's are wired with those 4 pins...and works...

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 6, 2004 - 9:42 PM

if your talkin about the 4 pins on the mirror harness it has to be that way.. the motor is only a two wire motor that when pos is ran threw one wire it moves clockwise and when the power is moved threw the other wire it moves counter. It wont work if you dont use all 4 pins... at least not for my setup

Posted by: defgeph Nov 7, 2004 - 9:51 PM

ok this is what I have so far.

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I just matched up the colors on the switch. Whats up with the pink wire ?

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Not sure how to wire. I didnt want to short anything out.

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housings are interchangable. I couldnt get the screws lose on the usdm's so I couldnt transfer the base.

I'm not sure where to go next. Should I use my JDM relay ? What Wires do I splice together ?


DEF

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 7, 2004 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE
I also figured mine out. My JDM relay is an acting polarity changer. My pink wire goes to the relay, from there I have the blue and green (retractor + and - ). So when I push my button, it sends the signal to my relay and thus changes polarity. I dont think it'll be hard at all now, thanks to the USDM loom break down Silver GT gave us.


turboinduction said his are from a 97. My best guess right now is : 94-95 ? there was the 2 wires directly to the mirrors to fold them.

96+ there was 1 wire (pink) to go to the relay then to the mirrors to fold them.

It is a design change and an improvment. This is why, if there is a short in the system somewhere it would toast your switch and your mirror motors. Wrong current wrong time = bad. The relay is also a fuse. If there is a short the relay blows, and you can replace that instead of your switch or motors.

that is my best guess.

Keep in mind, if you have 1 wire or 2 you can keep your USDM mirror control and wire the mirrors to an external switch for folding...

on a side note, I might wire mine to retract when I arm my alarm and unfold when I disarm biggrin.gif

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 7, 2004 - 10:24 PM

QUOTE (Batman722 @ Nov 7, 2004 - 9:17 PM)
QUOTE
I also figured mine out. My JDM relay is an acting polarity changer. My pink wire goes to the relay, from there I have the blue and green (retractor + and - ). So when I push my button, it sends the signal to my relay and thus changes polarity. I dont think it'll be hard at all now, thanks to the USDM loom break down Silver GT gave us.


turboinduction said his are from a 97. My best guess right now is : 94-95 ? there was the 2 wires directly to the mirrors to fold them.

96+ there was 1 wire (pink) to go to the relay then to the mirrors to fold them.

It is a design change and an improvment. This is why, if there is a short in the system somewhere it would toast your switch and your mirror motors. Wrong current wrong time = bad. The relay is also a fuse. If there is a short the relay blows, and you can replace that instead of your switch or motors.

that is my best guess.

Keep in mind, if you have 1 wire or 2 you can keep your USDM mirror control and wire the mirrors to an external switch for folding...

on a side note, I might wire mine to retract when I arm my alarm and unfold when I disarm biggrin.gif

I so agree with this.


Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 9, 2004 - 4:11 AM

I was gonna hook the mirrors up to the power antenna.. that's about the only thing I can think of in the whole car that powers automatically when you turn the car off.. and when you turn it on... plus it should have a relay that would reverse the polarity and since I disconnected mine the day I got the car I have no need for it sittin in the trunk nemore biggrin.gif

Gonna try and figure out a setup where the antenna will control it but I will also be able to use the switch I have been using,.,

BTW I really need to purchase the guts for a driverside JDM mirror.. have decided that mine is junk... only works when I apply pressure to the motor itself and give it power = soo if ne of you decide to say to hell with folding mirrors - HIT ME UP! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 9, 2004 - 5:29 PM

IT IS COMPLETE !!!!! Done.

I didn't bother to use the JDM control switch, I just wired the mirrors to a switch. I am the coolest man alive wink.gif

EDIT : I will have a vid tomorrow of them in action

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 9, 2004 - 6:09 PM

if ne of you have an extra control switch.. either jdm or Usdm lemme know cuz I need some parts outta it wink.gif

edit: Congrats batman! there fun arnt they tongue.gif

Posted by: turboinduction Nov 9, 2004 - 6:41 PM

QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Nov 9, 2004 - 5:09 PM)
if ne of you have an extra control switch.. either jdm or Usdm lemme know cuz I need some parts outta it wink.gif

edit: Congrats batman! there fun arnt they tongue.gif

I gots an extra USDM control switch. Actually 2 after I'm done with this project. Why would you need a USDM one?

-Ti

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 9, 2004 - 9:18 PM

I didn't use my JDM one. I will sell it to you. PM me

Posted by: defgeph Nov 9, 2004 - 10:25 PM

hey batman, Congrats.
How did you wire the power fold ?

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 9, 2004 - 11:07 PM

Thanks. OK, from each of my JDM mirrors there were 7 wires (3 on the US). I replaced the stock mirrors with the JDM ones and started splicing, here we go...

JDM mirror wires
these control the mirrors l/r/u/d
RED = to RED
BLACK = to BLACK
BROWN = to BROWN
just connect them like the US mirror wires, same colors

these control the folding motors, both sides are the same
BLUE = + for retract
LITE GREEN = - for retract
YELLOW = - for return
DARK GREEN = + for return

I ran 4 wires on each side (2 sets of speaker wires) from each mirror to the dash. On each side you have to go from the door to the interior to up under the dash. I then connected all of the same wires (yellow driver's side connected to yellow pass side, ect..), 8 wires are now 4. These 4 wires are ran to a 3 way toggle switch I put in beneath the dimmer. I then ran the power from the cig lighter. With the 3 way toggle, down is retract, up is return to normal position, and middle is the ready posititon for the switch.

IMPORTANT : I tested the mirrors first and you should too. I ran a power wire from the cig lighter (when you unplug the cig lighter, white plug, there are 2 wires, grey + and white/black -) put the + to the blue (+) and the - to the light green (-) wires and watch them fold biggrin.gif then try the same for the yellow and the dark green and watch them return biggrin.gif

also, my wires might be different than yours but I doubt it, so you need to test them.
any questions ?

Posted by: defgeph Nov 9, 2004 - 11:36 PM

Thanks thats so simple !!

Just to be sure look at the pictures I posted above. I have pics of my wiring.

Did you swap out the usdm mirror motors or did you keep the JDM's ?

I'll try them with the JDM mirror motors. If they dont work then I'll swap them.

Thanks for the easy to understand info. Please double check my pics thanks dude

DEF

Posted by: 1bwilson Nov 9, 2004 - 11:50 PM

you guys have made alot of progress in this. I cant wait to see how the antenna thing works out. Ive thought about that for years.

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 9, 2004 - 11:56 PM

I used the JDM mirrors and not my US ones. I did swap the glass though.

My JDM control unit didn't come with the harness out the back so I didn't bother trying to fabricate one so a toggle was the best way. Plus it was less splicing.

I thought about doing it the antenna way but when my radio is off my antenna goes down. Plus I already put an external switch for my antenna to put it down when I am playing CDs. When I am on the phone I usually turn the radio off too and the mirrors would fold in. No good for me.

I am thinking about getting a window up/down module for my alarm and wiring that to the mirrors. Arm the alarm, mirrors fold in, disarm, return to normal. That will be when there is better weather. It was freakin cold today

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 10, 2004 - 11:26 AM

posted a vid in the general forum biggrin.gif

Posted by: defgeph Nov 14, 2004 - 10:18 PM

Anyone know where the window relay is located on the car ?

Posted by: NEVERSTOP Nov 14, 2004 - 10:37 PM

how did the mirror swap go for you batman? mainly interested in the driverside.. I actually think mine is at a worse angle now... pass is kickass though

edit: also how much u guys want for the USDM control unit?? and does neone have a spare driver side motor? wink.gif mines bad

edit 2x:

QUOTE
I thought about doing it the antenna way but when my radio is off my antenna goes down. Plus I already put an external switch for my antenna to put it down when I am playing CDs. When I am on the phone I usually turn the radio off too and the mirrors would fold in. No good for me.


I ment using just the realy for it.. not actually hooked up to the radio

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 15, 2004 - 12:20 AM

I first had a prob with the pass side angle way off. Then I adjusted the glass on both sides so when I fully unfold I have a good angle all around. I just played with it until the angle was right. I freakin love them.

PM me about the switch. It doesn't have the harness out the back and I don't know if it works. I didn't want to take any chances and use something I couldn't test.

opps about the antenna. I installed mine myself with no relay. You GT guys get all the toys stock wink.gif

Posted by: defgeph Nov 16, 2004 - 1:08 AM

QUOTE(defgeph @ Nov 14, 2004 - 10:18 PM)
Anyone know where the window relay is located on the car ?
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anyone ? biggrin.gif

Posted by: defgeph Nov 18, 2004 - 12:39 AM

QUOTE(defgeph @ Nov 16, 2004 - 1:08 AM)
QUOTE(defgeph @ Nov 14, 2004 - 10:18 PM)
Anyone know where the window relay is located on the car ?
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anyone ? biggrin.gif
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bueller, farris. bueller........ anyone ..... anyone ?

Posted by: Batman722 Nov 18, 2004 - 10:43 AM

my best guess would be under the fuse box to the left of the pedals. Does is really matter where you put the relay anyway ? put it next to the relay for the power antenna.

any updates from anyone else ?????

Posted by: SilverGT Nov 18, 2004 - 1:23 PM

QUOTE(defgeph @ Nov 15, 2004 - 3:18 AM)
Anyone know where the window relay is located on the car ?
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I've just looked at the wiring diagram and I'm guessing that no-one knows where the relay is.....cos there isn't one!

All the circuitry is inside the switch panel on the driver's door.

Posted by: rjbibeau Mar 27, 2005 - 10:37 PM

allright i got ahold of some jdm folding mirrors. their from a 97 celica and i was told that the 97's didn't come with a relay and tha the switch reverses the polarity of the to two wires when the switch is pressed, so that means its meant for driving the mirrors directly. am i supposed to have a relay with this setup. when the guy took em out he couldn't hear the relay clicking and therefore could not find one. he has taken folding mirrors out of hondas and older toyotas so he knows what he is doing. can anyone back this up?? before i send payment

Posted by: defgeph Mar 27, 2005 - 11:30 PM

no relay needed just the mirrors

DEF

Posted by: rjbibeau Mar 27, 2005 - 11:50 PM

sweet deal!! thans def

Posted by: Batman722 Mar 27, 2005 - 11:50 PM

way to resurrect an old thread. Only the mirrors are needed. Anyone else got these installed other than me ...?

Posted by: rjbibeau Mar 27, 2005 - 11:51 PM

i just had to.. i missed reading this post plus i got some mirrors now woot woot

Posted by: CelicaZR Oct 26, 2005 - 8:37 AM

Sorry for bring up an old thread
I just got my 6gen JDM Power folding mirrors.
I'm pulling my hair just looking at it.
I got the 2 mirrors and the controller.
Can you guys help me out?

For the controller
On the top row
2 pins - space - 2 pins

on the bottom row
6 pins
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Mirrors (Please note this is RHD)

Passenger's side
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The Yellow wire is under the Dark green wire
The Light green wire is under the purple wire

Driver's side
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The wire are the same as the passenger's side

Can you guys help me out?

Posted by: Batman722 Oct 26, 2005 - 10:08 AM

http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html

there is some good info in that link. If you have a UK or JDM Celica then it is plug and play.

Posted by: CelicaZR Oct 26, 2005 - 10:21 AM

hey Batman722
For the control unit
Mine doesnt match the one on that site
I've got a

pink - ?
gray - power
light green/black
light green - right horizontal
light green/red - Common feed
white black - Chassis
white/brown - left horizontal
yellow/brown - left vertical

Are these right so far?
What about the pink one

Posted by: Batman722 Oct 26, 2005 - 11:14 PM

OK the pink wire I believe went to the relay. It was unclear what years had the relay and what years didn't. The relay was built into the control unit like the one pictured in that link. The mirrors have the same wires comming form them, all years. My personal advice, get the different control unit and plug and play.

Posted by: CelicaZR Oct 27, 2005 - 9:22 AM

Man those control unit are hard to come by.
Plus I like my control unit, it's the nice looking one.
Not the one with the square retract button.
Boy I thought it would have been easy to install,
but guess I was wrong frown.gif

Posted by: Outsider Oct 28, 2005 - 8:34 AM

Mine have been in for a while now. They work great. I never used a relay. It took me a saturday afternoon to put them in.( I took my time)

Posted by: CelicaZR Nov 4, 2005 - 12:41 AM

Me and Preator will be attempting to install this tomorrow.
I'll let you all know how it goes.
Hopefully it goes well, if not I'll be back with questions tongue.gif

Posted by: CelicaZR Nov 5, 2005 - 10:03 AM

Well, the install did not go according to plan.
But we've made progress.
We've wired the the control unit and the driver's side mirror.
We sort of stuffed up one of the screw at the bottom of the mirror,
so we've to figure out how to remove that screw.
So does anyone know how to remove a stuffed screw?


We might have found a way around with the relay.
Preator has design a relay for the power folding mirrors.
So I dont have to use a toggle switch like some of you did.
I'll let you all know if this relay thing works, then I'll let preator
explain how he did it.


Posted by: rjbibeau Nov 6, 2005 - 10:48 PM

drill off the head of the screw and use a vise grips to screw it out. then clean hole with a tap or if it still doesn;t come out just drill it out and tap a new hole. i had to do both. ya those screws are lil bastards

Posted by: CelicaZR Nov 7, 2005 - 1:32 AM

Thanks rjbibeau.
That what we actually done smile.gif
Bad news cant seem to make the relay work.
Has anyone got the wiring diagram of the relay?
So I might be looking at getting a relay from Toyota.
Do they still make them?
I might also need 2 motors as well. I think we've blowned
them frown.gif

Posted by: djr97 Dec 5, 2005 - 9:27 AM

has anybody found out anything new yet?

i have the same problems as you guys ;-) got the jdm mirrors and a controller unit (buttons) and separately bought a relay box (mirror control).

i also have the pink wire on the controller that is supposed to trigger the relay... i found out about the relay wiring (11 pins)... still can't get it to work :-( maybe the relay is broken somehow?!

anyway, i would like to use the one-wire-method (pink wire) because i want to use the tiny little button for folding the mirrors ;-) plus i would like to trigger the folding with a single cable from my remote central locking!!!

so i can not use the diy-relay with a switch but need info on how to make everything work with a single wire!

any help is greatly appreciated :-D

Posted by: JoKeRkId613 Mar 26, 2006 - 11:33 PM

Just as I thought, this thread was going to be just as confusing when I received my mirrors in the mail. I received both mirrors and the buttons unit. No relay control box. Can I still use the retract botton on the
"L-R/Retract/Mirror" button unit if i dont have the mirror control relay? That's what I want to do. Please let me know if i need the relay to use the stock retract button. this thread is real confusing.

Posted by: CelicaZR Mar 27, 2006 - 6:21 AM

Joker, it will be pretty hard to make it work without the
relay. Me and my friend found out the hard way.
But I dont think it is impossible. We just need to find
a wiring diagram for it.

Posted by: JoKeRkId613 Mar 27, 2006 - 5:19 PM

Thanks. I guess I'll search for the relay control unit. Anyone have wiring diagrams for the JDM sidemirrors and relay??? I can't find it on the BGB on CelicaTech. Those pages show errors. Anyone have them backed up or anything? Thanks.

Posted by: praetor May 7, 2006 - 1:37 AM

Well Simon eventually got around to buying the relay for the mirrors and now everything is plugged in and working sweet. Problem was that the version of the control unit that we had (8wire with pink) needs the relay to work correctly. Sure you can do it with a toggle switch, but he wanted it to have the factory look wink.gif

Movies to show our success -

(quicktime format)

http://www.praet0r.net/pics/foldingmirrors/

Posted by: CelicaZR May 7, 2006 - 3:10 AM

Thanks for the help bro biggrin.gif
Now I need an alarm system to hook that up to wink.gif

Posted by: djr97 Jun 7, 2006 - 10:53 AM

QUOTE

Well Simon eventually got around to buying the relay for the mirrors and now everything is plugged in and working sweet. Problem was that the version of the control unit that we had (8wire with pink) needs the relay to work correctly. Sure you can do it with a toggle switch, but he wanted it to have the factory look


can you tell me a part number or send me a picture of that relay? i have one from a different toyota, but can't get it to work mad.gif seem's i will have to order the correct relay box kindasad.gif

Posted by: elvasoshexai Jun 7, 2006 - 12:47 PM

i'm gonna try and install these this weekend... got a lot of info from this thread so hope it goes smoothly

Posted by: elvasoshexai Jun 13, 2006 - 12:51 PM

****... 1 of my mirrors got messed! the switch that toggles the retracting in/out inside the mirrors got fried...

and the damn relays i had were the wrong ones... stupid ebay seller ><... didn't want to bother getting 2 new relays so i'm just gonna try to make the mirrors retract out when the car turns on and retract in when the car turns off.. so i can just use the original usdm control unit

Posted by: elvasoshexai Jun 15, 2006 - 3:17 PM

ok.. wow.. for some magical reason... the mirror still works! finally got it all wired up!

i tried to wire them up so that they would fold in when i turn off the car and fold out when i turn on the car.. but somehow messed up and they fold in when you open the door or a few seconds after you turn off your car (you know how you have a few seconds after you turn off car that you can still close your window)... they still fold out when i turn on car tho...

i ended up not using the oem switch because of the way i wired it (plus i was missing the 2 realys since i had the old mirrors) so i added a switch to disable it during the winter incase of freezing rain or something like that!

damn the mirrors are sweet!

Posted by: Daftboy Nov 5, 2006 - 3:06 PM

Sorry to bring up this post but i have the mirror for the 6g... i have most of it wired up i have the relay and everything i need.. on my control box though I have extra wire blue/yelliow. I have no idea where this goes. My mirrors move up,down.left and right fine but they will not retract or open....any ideas...please help

Posted by: trdproven Nov 5, 2006 - 10:34 PM

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okay cool biggrin.gif

edit: hurry up! LOL j/k but I do want mine to work also and wanna see if you figure it out.

also want suggestions on how to make it work with the ignition.. like you turn on the car and they fold out and turn off the car and they fold in



Damn this would be sweet as hell.

Posted by: Daftboy Nov 5, 2006 - 10:38 PM

anyone....blue/yellow wire in control unit...where does it go too...

Posted by: jdmisme Nov 21, 2006 - 7:43 AM

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anyone....blue/yellow wire in control unit...where does it go too...


I see that you guys have been struggling with this for a while, now. Here is a complete wiring diagram for the older style 94-99 JDM power folding mirrors. Older style meaning the type WITH the single pink wire coming from the control unit/relay (...the switch is the switch, the control unit/relay is the seperate box with the bunch of wires coming from it...just to get the nomenclature straight). #1 pin is ALWAYS UPPER LEFT PIN of coupler when looking at the coupler from the views explained below.

wire color examples:
GREEN = SOLID GREEN WIRE
GREEN/YELLOW = GREEN WIRE WITH YELLOW STRIPE
YELLOW/GREEN = YELLOW WIRE WITH GREEN STRIPE

CONTROL UNIT/RELAY WIRES(looking at it from the back where the wires go INTO the unit with the locking nipple UP).

1-BLUE-- to blue wire on Left Mirror
2-YELLOW--to yellow on Left Mirror
3-BLUE/YELLOW-- +12V acc 'ON'
4-BLUE/RED-- blue/red on Right Mirror
5-RED/YELLOW-- red/yellow on Right Mirror
6-BLUE/WHITE(white)-- blue/white on Right Mirror
7-GREEN/YELLOW-- green/yellow on Right Mirror
8-PINK-- pink on switch
9-WHITE(white)/BLACK-- ground
10-BROWN-- brown on Left Mirror
11-GREEN-- green on Left Mirror

SWITCH WIRES (from same view as relay unit stated above)

1-PINK-- noted above
2-LIME/BLACK-- same color on Right Mirror
3-BROWN/WHITE(white)-- same color on Left Mirror
4-BROWN/YELLOW-- same color on Left Mirror
5-GRAY-- constant +12V
6-LIME-- same color on Right Mirror
7-LIME/RED-- same color on Left Mirror
8-WHITE(white)/BLACK-- +12V acc 'ON'

I am a seller of JDM items. This is the wiring as I used to test the latest set of Celica mirrors that I am selling (or sold, depending on when you see this post) on ebay(ebay seller id JDMISME). As for the new type, I have yet to confirm personally whether or not there is a relay in that particular vehicle. When and if I ever find out, I will let you all know with another wiring diagram.

If you have any questions (or ''huh?? wtf are you talkin' about?" 's) just let me know. I'm human and I may have mis-typed something... Or I'm super human and I never make a mistake...lol! we'll see!

Posted by: azian_advanced Nov 21, 2006 - 11:29 AM

so you basically match up the wires on the mirror harness with the relay box... and the control unit. ie. red with red, green/yellow with green/yellow.. i think we know that already..

but anyway, could you also edit the post and add the functions of each wire? like, which one is (+) or (-) for each side (RH or LH mirrors) for each wire?

Posted by: jdmisme Nov 25, 2006 - 6:44 AM

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so you basically match up the wires on the mirror harness with the relay box... and the control unit. ie. red with red, green/yellow with green/yellow.. i think we know that already..

but anyway, could you also edit the post and add the functions of each wire? like, which one is (+) or (-) for each side (RH or LH mirrors) for each wire?


The mirror setup that I used to make that wiring diagram are already packaged and awaiting shipping (they're on ebay, right now), but if you were to hook up your mirrors according to that wiring diagram you could easily figure out which wires are negative and which are positive for functions such as the power folding/retracting and mirror controls (up, down, left, right). I don't concern myself with which one is positive or negative for each particular function (meaning I don't check each individual wire for positive/negative), I just make sure that the end buyer is able to wire them up without any problems.

Posted by: BloodyStupidDavey Nov 30, 2006 - 6:28 PM

I've replaced jdmisme's numbers with the actual pin numbering.

QUOTE(jdmisme @ Nov 21, 2006 - 12:43 PM) [snapback]504203[/snapback]

RELAY WIRES (looking at it from the back where the wires go INTO the unit with the locking nipple UP).


5 - Retractor reverse, left (RL) - BLUE-- to blue wire on Left Mirror
4 - Retractor limt sense forward, left (LFL) - YELLOW--to yellow on Left Mirror
(nipple)
3 - +B - BLUE/YELLOW-- +12V acc 'ON'
2 - Retractor limit sense reverse, right (LRR) - BLUE/RED-- blue/red on Right Mirror
1 - Retractor forward, right (FR) - RED/YELLOW-- red/yellow on Right Mirror
12 - Retractor reverse, right (RR) - BLUE/WHITE(white)-- blue/white on Right Mirror
11 - Retractor limit sense forward, right (LFR) - GREEN/YELLOW-- green/yellow on Right Mirror
10 - retractor switch (S) - PINK-- pink on switch
9 - GND - WHITE(white)/BLACK-- ground
8 - not connected (possibly auto retract function?)
7 - Retractor limit sense reverse, left (LRL) - BROWN-- brown on Left Mirror
6 - Retractor forward, left (FL) - GREEN-- green on Left Mirror


This is from the circuit board of the integration relay itself. R and F go to the motor, LF and and LR go to the sensor (the switch inside the mirror itself). I don't believe the motor should be driven directly but rather via the limit sensors so the motur turns off when it reaches the end of its throw.

Two other notes: The lime wire with red stripe from the adjuster switch goes to both mirrors. Also, my integration relay has a slightly different number to the other one posted in this thread (it is one digit different): 87989-20060.

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 7, 2007 - 5:23 PM

ok.....add me to the list of confusion...so, do i NEED the relay for the mirrors to work?....whered u guys mount the relays if u used them....?

ive checked this out:

http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html

and it didnt say nething about the relay at all.......fyi - i have the pink wire from the relay...so???.....any1 mind helping a guy out?.....

Posted by: urbandork Feb 7, 2007 - 6:46 PM

from what ive read and done if u have the pink wire you need the mirrors, switch and control module. If you dont have the pink wire coming out of the switch on the door pannel the switch itself works as the control module, and thus all u need are the mirrors and switch.

From some research i have deduced that toyota produced two set ups, the earlier model had the control box along with the pink wire and the later model did not have the pink wire.

if you need the conrol box i have one.

also note that it seems toyota may have had two different conrol modules for the pink wire/ealier type. one for the celica and one for the curren. both the celica and curren control module have the same wires but what pin position they are in differs slightly. Also while the boxes look identical down to the mounting brakets used the color of the plastics used are different. The celica box is black where as the curren one is an cloudy clear.

i found this out because the set of jdm folding mirrors i bought where the non pink wire/later version and thus did not need a control module. however the seller had read about a box being needed and thus included one just in case. since the car he pulled the mirrors and switch from was a later version and had no conrol box he instead just got one from a earlier model curren. Thus is the reason why i had a mirrors set that did not need the control module and have an extra conrol module from a curren. (note i was told by the seller he pulled them from a curren)

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 7, 2007 - 7:18 PM

^^^therefore i have currens mirrors....have the clear relay box....i already try to "soft" wire it..everything seems to go in place, all teh wires match referring to the posts jdmisme posted.....so i dont need to splice at all if i need the relays...as long as i dont touch the OEM stuff, right?..all i need to do is connect wires, mount relay, wire up ground n 12v...right?.....im gettin the idea, but jus need some insight on u jdm mirror guys....

Posted by: urbandork Feb 8, 2007 - 2:03 AM

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^^^therefore i have currens mirrors....have the clear relay box....i already try to "soft" wire it..everything seems to go in place, all teh wires match referring to the posts jdmisme posted.....so i dont need to splice at all if i need the relays...as long as i dont touch the OEM stuff, right?..all i need to do is connect wires, mount relay, wire up ground n 12v...right?.....im gettin the idea, but jus need some insight on u jdm mirror guys....


im not sure but i think if u connect all the wires like BloodyStupidDavey post has it and then run power u should be good.

im not positive cus i didnt have to worry aobut a control module

Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 8, 2007 - 6:30 PM

actually, the curren and the celica relay boxes are the same. they should both be clear-ish white (translucent white), according to my EPC. i finished mine during the holidays and works flawlessly. urbandork is otherwise correct, if you have the pink wire, that connects to the relay box, so a relay box is needed. i mounted my relay box just beneath the steering column and ziptied it tight.

urbandork, do you still have that relay box? i'll take it from you. i'm on my 2nd set of jdm mirrors since the 1st set included a malfunctioning relay.

DeW_H0e_GT, you're also correct. as long as the wires from the mirror harness matches the relay control box, everything is fine and should work okay. but remember the mirror will not adjust far enough to see from your driver seat so you'll probably want to put small 6mm washers on one side of the mirror motor to angle it more. also, the mirror angle adjuster wires would be the opposite on the control switch (ie. RHD wires are opposite to LHD) but i'm sure you'll figure that out. smile.gif

basically all this confusion is due to the male connector not being included for the mirrors and also, different control boxes are being sent out instead of the white-ish clear one. the black one listed a few pages back is for the ST185 which uses different color wires.

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 9, 2007 - 12:34 AM

now that clears up alot!!!!!.....thanks azn!!!

my current setup..will install everything tomorrow.....

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Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 9, 2007 - 2:23 AM

good luck with the install.. let us know if you run into any problems..
just, fyi, if you're looking for a power source to splice the blue w\ yellow wire on the relay box, you'll find the exact same wire in your driver's kick panel which also outputs 10A.

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 10, 2007 - 10:07 PM

ok got everything all wired up....everything works BUT it doesnt fold in!!!!.......help plz?.....bloody says soemthin about wiring the motor inside the mirrors?...how u do that?

Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 11, 2007 - 7:11 AM

there shouldn't be any need to wire the motors if you connected the matching wires on the mirror to the relay. (as posted above by bloody)
also:
-recheck all power and ground connections. i remember connecting the ground on the relay in parallel to the ground on the control switch. try that.
-test if the pink wire from the switch is sending a + signal.
-assuming the wiring is correctly done, do you hear the relay click after pressing the retract button? if not, perhaps you have a problem with the relay? (i had that but didn't know it after hours and hours of troubleshooting)

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otherwise, you can test the mirrors yourself using a 12V source

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connect the 12V source to the Yellow wire and GND to the Green wire
then switch the 12V source to the Brown wire and GND to the Blue wire

you can do the same to the other mirror and see if they open and close correctly

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Posted by: BloodyStupidDavey Feb 11, 2007 - 7:13 AM

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ok got everything all wired up....everything works BUT it doesnt fold in!!!!.......help plz?.....bloody says soemthin about wiring the motor inside the mirrors?...how u do that?


Don't worry about the comment about wiring the motors - that is only for those that don't have the relay box and want to fashion their own relay box. You say it doesn't fold in. If you manually fold them in, will the little switch unfold them? If so, you have a sticky or damaged internal relay inside that little white box.

If they neither fold nor unfold then check that the little white relay box is getting +12v on the blue/yellow wire when your engine is running (or at least when the key is in the ACC position). Also check that you have good continunity between the white/black wire on the relay box and the bodywork. An electricans' multimeter will come in handy here.

If you suspect that one of the interal relays is sticking or damaged, an electronics hobbyist or your local TV repair shop will likely be able to repair the circuit board for you for a small fee. If you are lucky enough to have a good scrapyard nearby, you can probably pick one up from there for less. Most of the Japanese import Celicas have power folding mirrors so just take a few tools with you so you can remove it yourself.

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 11, 2007 - 12:14 PM

turns out i have a bad relay...because it doesnt click when i push the retract button....any part #s for teh relay?....ill try to have it fixed by some tv repair center....theres this number at the mirrro control relay...ive tried toyots world but it says no match found??

87989-20060

Posted by: BloodyStupidDavey Feb 11, 2007 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE(DeW_H0e_GT @ Feb 11, 2007 - 5:14 PM) [snapback]525923[/snapback]

87989-20060


Try also 87989-20030. That is the earlier part number that others here have. I believe (but am not sure) it is usually black in colour. There is a possibility that the pin numbers are slightly different so best to acquire it with a short length of wiring loom if possible.

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 11, 2007 - 8:48 PM

^^^ that number doesnt work either...i tried those numbers with toyotaworld.......exact link:

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=213747&catalogid=0

is there other toyota parts dealer u guys went with?

Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 12, 2007 - 1:04 AM

you can use either the 20060 or 20030 relay, both use the same wires for the mirrors but they're just located at different pins on the harness so the harness will have to match with the relay you get. so try to get the 20060 relay that you have already.

try PMing our european and asian members and see if they're willing to order it for you. last i heard it costs around $60+ or something.

Posted by: 95silvergt Feb 20, 2007 - 5:42 PM

question guys real quick say i got the stock jdm 5gen mirrors do u think they are worth throwing on ur 6gen and yes they retract and all i was just wonderin i was looking for something different but reading all this has me like is it all worth it just looking for some advice on it. and if u guys are really interested in the side mirrors i can get them wit no problem here in japan.

Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 20, 2007 - 7:40 PM

the 5th gen jdm mirrors bolt on no problem and their wires are pretty much the same as the 6th gens.. so if you like the styling of the 5th gen over the 6th mirrors, you may as well go with the 5th gens.

wiring is actually very straight forward, just match them up with the wires on the relay, mirrors, and control switch.. the problem (as i see it) usually lies with the relays being dead or what not, i'm not sure why..
(i'm now on my 3rd relay btw)

Posted by: DeW_H0e_GT Feb 20, 2007 - 10:52 PM

a lil kinda off topic (sorry guys)...will u be able to get yoru hands on some relay for the 6gc mirrors?...

part #s:

87989-20030
87989-20060

Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 21, 2007 - 12:52 AM

PM urbandork, he says he's got an extra mirror control box.

Posted by: 95silvergt Feb 22, 2007 - 7:38 AM

ok so its pretty easy so what all do u need to make this work i know the side mirrors and the controller where u push left right and all that what else do i need???? sorry i dont know to much about theses mirrors and stuff

Posted by: azian_advanced Feb 22, 2007 - 6:38 PM

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ok so its pretty easy so what all do u need to make this work i know the side mirrors and the controller where u push left right and all that what else do i need???? sorry i dont know to much about theses mirrors and stuff


in addition, you'll need the mirror control relay;
so again, you'll need:
-the jdm retracting mirrors (make sure they have the male pigtail connector & harness, they usually will)
-the mirror control relay (again you need the pigtail connector & harness)
-the mirror control switch (with connector and wires)

Posted by: kimpao Jun 4, 2007 - 9:49 PM

dumb request rolleyes.gif

does anyone have basic wiring layouts for these? need to know the basics, kinda stumped as to how to connect the mirror control unit to the switch and the motor.

thanks. biggrin.gif

Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 5, 2007 - 1:58 AM

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Posted by: DSRT-FX Jun 5, 2007 - 3:02 AM

my electrician was telling me there was an error on that.. said something about the polarities of the battery connections were mixed up...

Posted by: kimpao Jun 5, 2007 - 6:54 AM

thanks azian_advance! Btw, I presume that terminal #3 of the switch goes to the car's "ACC ON", right?

Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 5, 2007 - 4:07 PM

QUOTE(DSRT-FX @ Jun 5, 2007 - 3:02 AM) [snapback]565078[/snapback]

my electrician was telling me there was an error on that.. said something about the polarities of the battery connections were mixed up...



http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/azian_advanced/Celica%20Parts%20Diagrams/MirrorWiringDiagram.jpg has the polarity mixed up. notice the gray wire for the switch says ground, when it should be 12V power.




QUOTE(kimpao @ Jun 5, 2007 - 6:54 AM) [snapback]565088[/snapback]

thanks azian_advance! Btw, I presume that terminal #3 of the switch goes to the car's "ACC ON", right?


correct. it should be rather easy as you already have the gray wire (#3 terminal of the switch) from your stock switch.

Posted by: kimpao Jun 5, 2007 - 7:00 PM

last question azian, what does the Dome 20A mean in the diagram?is it a 20A fuse? if it were, where do i connect the other end of the fuse terminal?

thanks again.

Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 6, 2007 - 1:17 AM

simply connect it to a power source. i have mine wired up to the ACC ignition. otherwise, if you want to keep it simple, you can splice it to the blue w\ yellow wire (the same color as the one on the relay box) which you'll find in the driver-side kick panel.

there's no need to put an inline fuse as there is already a fuse for the Dome lights. (10A i think it is)

Posted by: Racer_J Jun 8, 2007 - 3:31 AM

Guys. Sort of off-topic but I've got JDM folding mirrors on my car, the one on the left has stopped folding in properly! It tries, Ie:- the motor works when the switch is pressed but instead of folding, it just makes a VERY LOUD clicking noise. Now to me, it sounds like the grear mech inside is worn and the gears aren't meshing properly or something but I'm not sure.

I've not had my mirrors apart (yet) but reading this post it seems like you guys have and I was wondering if the mech inside the mirror is easy to get at? What would I need to do to get my mirror apart without breaking anything? LOL

Any advice would begreatly appreciated!


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Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 8, 2007 - 8:12 AM

i'm pretty sure i know what it is....

if you open up your mirrors and remove the black cover for the mirror motor, you'll see the motor with this white plastic "screw-type" gear at the end of it. this white plastic gear 'thingy' popped off the motor's shaft so as the motor spins, it gets pushed outward (since it's still in gear) but then snaps back one gear because of the black cover restricting it's way and pushing it back in.... i had the same problem with my first set of mirrors...

i'm sure you'll figure it out once you open up your mirrors... btw, you'll need something extremely adhesive to stick the plastic 'screw' gear with the metal mirror motor shaft.


Notice the blue arrow is the white screw-type gear i was talking about
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Posted by: Racer_J Jun 8, 2007 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE(azian_advanced @ Jun 8, 2007 - 2:12 PM) [snapback]566347[/snapback]

i'm pretty sure i know what it is....

if you open up your mirrors and remove the black cover for the mirror motor, you'll see the motor with this white plastic "screw-type" gear at the end of it. this white plastic gear 'thingy' popped off the motor's shaft so as the motor spins, it gets pushed outward (since it's still in gear) but then snaps back one gear because of the black cover restricting it's way and pushing it back in.... i had the same problem with my first set of mirrors...

i'm sure you'll figure it out once you open up your mirrors... btw, you'll need something extremely adhesive to stick the plastic 'screw' gear with the metal mirror motor shaft.


Notice the blue arrow is the white screw-type gear i was talking about
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Cheers buddy, I'll check it out.

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Posted by: Celiracer18 Jun 11, 2007 - 9:40 AM

if its not that worm gear there is a little gear underneath the motor and stuff in the clockwork of gears that will pop out of its little holder. i just took it apart popped it back in and it works fine now

Posted by: lubu Jun 13, 2007 - 1:12 PM

does anyone here wire it with the IG so it folds in when off and out when on??

Posted by: FunkySR Sep 9, 2007 - 4:32 AM

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ok.. wow.. for some magical reason... the mirror still works! finally got it all wired up!

i tried to wire them up so that they would fold in when i turn off the car and fold out when i turn on the car.. but somehow messed up and they fold in when you open the door or a few seconds after you turn off your car (you know how you have a few seconds after you turn off car that you can still close your window)... they still fold out when i turn on car tho...

i ended up not using the oem switch because of the way i wired it (plus i was missing the 2 realys since i had the old mirrors) so i added a switch to disable it during the winter incase of freezing rain or something like that!

damn the mirrors are sweet!



how did you wire it up? I have JDM mirrors and JDM switch (with fold / retract) button. If I could wire it up so the fold / retract when engine is on that would be sweet. Let me know. biggrin.gif

Posted by: lubu Sep 10, 2007 - 5:37 AM

use a relay and wire it up with ur alarm. when you arm the mirrors will fold in..disarm and the mirrors fold out.

Posted by: njccmd2002 May 18, 2008 - 8:29 PM

so, being able to bring it back from the dead.

i need the jdm mirrors, and the control. I dont need any realy, but i do need some relays for the folding (any kind or what) i have been reading almost 30 mins.

BTW those who took these apart. I have seen some on ebay, but the housing is cracked, can i transfer all internal componets to my housings or are they pretty much different?

thanks,


Posted by: azian_advanced May 19, 2008 - 1:16 AM

the oem relay is clearish-white which came on all currens and 6th gens.. if you get a black one like i did, it's off a 5th gen but will still work, the wiring is slightly different.

also, the housing has a different angle. i remember Coomer saying that theoretically the housings can be swapped (not too sure if he actually did it) but imo i don't think it will work. you need to use the jdm housing in order for the power folding feature to fold/unfold at the right angles.




also make sure you have a part of the harness that comes after the mirror connectors and the same goes for the control switch and the relay. if you don't have these, you're f'ed.

Posted by: DEATH May 19, 2008 - 11:15 AM

You can just trade out housings. I did and everything transfers over and works fine.

Posted by: BloodyStupidDavey May 19, 2008 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ May 19, 2008 - 7:16 AM) *
also, the housing has a different angle. you need to use the jdm housing in order for the power folding feature to fold/unfold at the right angles.


That's not quite the case actually. The different angle is down to whether it is a passenger or driver mirror. So it isn't a case of needing to stick with the JDM housing but rather that you need to continue to use the one that came with your car for it to fold/unfold at the correct angles. Of course, this is only an issue if you are swapping JDM <=> USDM or JDM <=> EDM-LHD. For those of us that have RHD cars this whole topic is mute.

Posted by: DEATH May 19, 2008 - 2:17 PM

It makes very little difference anyway - I swapped my housings and never noticed a bit of difference [other than the far away mirror being on the wrong side which had me screwed up for a few days laugh.gif ]
Stop worrying over this - swap them out and you'll be fine + no need to repaint/color match wink.gif

Posted by: trdproven May 19, 2008 - 4:49 PM

If anyone has the plug n play version meaning they already did the wiring and all I have to do is plug the harness, then I would be gladly interested in this. Sorry to hijack.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jun 19, 2008 - 8:38 AM

To avoid multiple posts i will add on.

So this is my experience, after reading all this 10 pages i came to the most helpful conclusion. The part that helpmed me the most was this! bowdown.gif


QUOTE (Batman722 @ Nov 10, 2004 - 12:07 AM) *
these control the folding motors, both sides are the same
BLUE = + for retract
LITE GREEN = - for retract
YELLOW = - for return
DARK GREEN = + for return



Why, because my setup did not include a relay. Everything else is great if you have the relays. which i dont frown.gif

I did not have to use the jdm control. I will keep it just in case i ever find a relay, so i can have it oem.

So how was i able to acomplish this. Simple. All yota cars prety much have the same coloring in wiring.


I did not use joint splicers. I use shrink wrap rubber with soldering. So is less messy. here are a few pics of my install.

1. Created my harness with 4 wires.. just for the retract and or restore funtions



2. Took out the whole loom of the door, and undid the electrical tape. Its easier to work with and then passed my cables there. Then i simply recovered the electrical tape.





3. Put everything back to its place, used wiring covers to protect the my harness from the passenger side all the way to the center console, where i would have the switch.

4. Wiring the mirror to the plug is easy. Soldering and shrikwrap. not a lot of mess.



5. I did not use my jdm switch. But i made progress with it..... ill explain later.


2nd Part. Mirror mounting.

1. Took the jdm mirror apart. it was a bit of pain, some screws from the bottom are too dificult and be careful not to damage them



2. To take it apart dont cut the harness,. to use the same harness, all you have to do is pick it apart. Any toyota pigtal can be done this way. biggrin.gif



http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/njccmd2002/folding%20mirrors/?action=view&current=MVI_3550.flv

this will make it easier for you. Make sure you take note where the wires plug back together....

3. i used my own usdm casings because i did no like the angles of the jmd, they are RHD this is the comparson, im pointing at JDM



4. after all this, i put everything back together and mounted the mirrors... laugh.gif

3rd part..

1. How will i make them work. Simple. Made my own relay. After reasearching. and some supplies:



2. I created my relay system



they way it works is simply by reversing polarity from negative to positive when the 12 volt switch gets juice.

to prevent the opposite controls to be activated in the mirror i placed silicone diodes that guarantee energy to flow into one direction. So when retract is working, return does not get juice. (since they have the same feed)

I wired them to have the mirrors rectract all the time. if you feed the swtich they will return. Therefore if you wire it to the acc switch the mirrors will retract when you turn the car off and open when you turn it on. You can add switches to turn the whole system off/on at any point in the ground lead. or on demand folding in the switched lead.

I am looking for the original relay. in the meantime this works..... wink.gif I am working on a circuit to fold it with my alarm. or until i get the oem relay, whichever.....

part 4.

Additional info

to put the jdm switch no need to cut and splice, dont. All toyota did was inverse the plug. But the colors of the wires are the same... REPEAT, same. So pick it apart and put it together. So no splicing there, and less wire..

I can prove it!!!!!!

1. hack the pin

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/njccmd2002/folding%20mirrors/?action=view&current=MVI_3535.flv

2. tested the leads

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/njccmd2002/folding%20mirrors/?action=view&current=MVI_3536.flv

3. did the swap of the pins.

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/njccmd2002/folding%20mirrors/?action=view&current=MVI_3540.flv

4. Plugged my jdm switch..

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/njccmd2002/folding%20mirrors/?action=view&current=MVI_3542.flv


In conclusion, i only used new wiring for the retracting funtions...and ket my original wires..... biggrin.gif Hope this helps!!!!

here it is working

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/njccmd2002/folding%20mirrors/?action=view&current=MVI_3547.flv

Posted by: DEATH Jun 19, 2008 - 8:52 AM

I told you the USDM housings would work for the JDM folding mirrors - glad you had the same result. For reversing the plug I just cut off the little lock and release tab and simply reversed the plug with the pink one added in. Your way is better but some people may have problems repinning the harness there so there is an easier way for the technically challenged. It doesn't just fall out as you might think - it actually holds quite securely.
Great job on figuring this out [I never would have dreamed it had two negatives - pretty sure that's why I could not get it to work - there would be waaay more combinations to try than I thought].
Now if I can just follow your instructions maybe I can get mine to work as well. I already have my controls working fine and all I want the folding function to do is work with the ignition with a switch to interrupt it's action and stay open when I want it to. In that way I think I'll want mine to be "normally open' [<- completely different sense of the term in this application than from normal wiring laugh.gif ] so that if I hit the switch it will just stay open all the time.
Much props to you man.
Wanna make some for us for a little profit?

Posted by: creis Jun 19, 2008 - 9:23 AM

radio shack solid coper wire FTL!! making your own relay FTW!!

QUOTE
told you the USDM housings would work for the JDM folding mirrors

I did not even notice there was a diff with them. will have to take a look and swap them if nessisary when I finaly get my mirrors put together and installed.

Posted by: Batman722 Jun 19, 2008 - 9:54 AM

I am impressed at your set up thumbsup.gif great job

I'm glad I was able to help smile.gif I hooked mine up to a 3 way toggle and called it a day biggrin.gif

Posted by: relevino Jun 22, 2008 - 4:05 PM

Just a quick question.

Does this controller (R 516) have a build in relay? And how can i recognise? See pics:





I got this mirror from ebay. The owner is not sure wat year of the car is.

Thanks

sorry, for my bad english!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jun 22, 2008 - 4:37 PM

QUOTE (relevino @ Jun 22, 2008 - 5:05 PM) *
Just a quick question.

Does this controller (R 516) have a build in relay? And how can i recognise? See pics:





I got this mirror from ebay. The owner is not sure wat year of the car is.

Thanks

sorry, for my bad english!



they do not have relays. the relay is bigger that that.


sorry, you have the options of hardwiring, source the relay or fabricate like i did

Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 23, 2008 - 1:08 AM

good stuff..
it must've been hell not having a relay.. daym..
i was lucky to find another member here who had a spare relay (cuz mine was burnt! grr).

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jun 23, 2008 - 6:19 PM

nvm my relay project kept giving problems.

Posted by: DEATH Jun 23, 2008 - 6:21 PM

Mad skillz man - much props. When you go into production I'm your first customer wink.gif

Posted by: relevino Jun 24, 2008 - 6:33 AM

Indeed i'll be your second customer!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 2, 2008 - 9:13 PM



ok guys, i was able to source two jdm relays.

part number 87989-20030 from a celica

part number 87989 - 22010 from a chaser / Mark / A92

both are identical interiors, circuitry and all. all circuitry and everything is the same.

i am connecting the celica here with the diagrams posted and just using 1 mirror.

what happens is that the mirrors opens all the way up and does not stop if its open, and if its closed it tries to close all the way around if its closed.

so the question remains, both relays are identically the same thing., so i have 2 in my hand. but they both do the same thing, the reverse

the next thing will be to check my mirror part number cuz, make sure its a celica. My jdm control is the pink wire so it needs relay. and i have the right relays...... mad.gif

am i doing something wrong,

should i connect two mirrors, did anybody try the relay using just one mirror. did it act funny. cuz it ain't working for me.

any input....

Posted by: azian_advanced Sep 2, 2008 - 11:30 PM

i remember reading a while ago that the mirrors have their own cut off switch that will make the relay stop sending the 'retract' signal when it reaches the open/close position.. i'm not entirely sure how that works.. but i'm leaning towards it being a mirror issue.
i remember when i was toying around with my mirrors before, i put the proper + and - signals to the proper open and close retract wires (ie not using the relay) and the mirrors stopped at the open and close positions on their own even while i was continuously applying the + and - signals to do so.

anyway if the mirrors are not stopping on their own at the proper open/close positions, there is something wrong with the mirrors.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 3, 2008 - 6:41 PM

when i manually open and close the mirrors they have a stopping point. but if i invert the polarity, it does the same thing as my relay does.

I know i have the correct part number. should i connect the two mirrors and see what happens?

Posted by: azian_advanced Sep 3, 2008 - 9:58 PM

it's worth a shot.. let us know what happens

but just fyi, you have the correct part number for the jdm 5th gen relay (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/azian_advanced/JDM%20Mirrors/DSC07208.jpg), the 6th gens are http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/azian_advanced/JDM%20Mirrors/DSC07207.jpg and should be white (not black).

i just want to confirm (before i say anything further) did your relay come with the harness? or are you manually connecting them to the pins on the relay?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 4, 2008 - 7:56 AM

i have a harness, and i think all relays are the same inside, all that chages is the box cuz i have seen other relays and are same, i have never seen a 20060 from the inside.

Posted by: azian_advanced Sep 4, 2008 - 8:18 AM

the 20060 is slightly different since some of the retracting wires are located at different pins.. but i don't think it matters much.. i hope the harness you got is from a 5th gen not a 6th gen. cuz i know some of those jdm mirror sellers on ebay like to mix and match. they will sell you mirrors for a 6th gen but will find any mirror relay (for any gen) and include it in the sale.
i guess the only thing to do is to make sure your wiring isn't inverted which would cause it to keep forcing itself to open/close without stopping.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 4, 2008 - 5:17 PM

so how do i get the 5th gen wiring?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 4, 2008 - 7:59 PM

azian the following pic here is #3 supposed to be ground or +12 as

QUOTE (kimpao @ Jun 5, 2007 - 7:54 AM) *
thanks azian_advance! Btw, I presume that terminal #3 of the switch goes to the car's "ACC ON", right?







also im assuming this diagram is for the 20060 cause what this guys says is completely different kindasad.gif




QUOTE (jdmisme @ Nov 21, 2006 - 12:43 PM) *
RELAY WIRES (looking at it from the back where the wires go INTO the unit with the locking nipple UP).
5 - Retractor reverse, left (RL) - BLUE-- to blue wire on Left Mirror
4 - Retractor limt sense forward, left (LFL) - YELLOW--to yellow on Left Mirror
(nipple)
3 - +B - BLUE/YELLOW-- +12V acc 'ON'
2 - Retractor limit sense reverse, right (LRR) - BLUE/RED-- blue/red on Right Mirror
1 - Retractor forward, right (FR) - RED/YELLOW-- red/yellow on Right Mirror
12 - Retractor reverse, right (RR) - BLUE/WHITE(white)-- blue/white on Right Mirror
11 - Retractor limit sense forward, right (LFR) - GREEN/YELLOW-- green/yellow on Right Mirror
10 - retractor switch (S) - PINK-- pink on switch
9 - GND - WHITE(white)/BLACK-- ground
8 - not connected (possibly auto retract function?)
7 - Retractor limit sense reverse, left (LRL) - BROWN-- brown on Left Mirror
6 - Retractor forward, left (FL) - GREEN-- green on Left Mirror

Posted by: Batman722 Sep 4, 2008 - 8:12 PM

I'm not sure if I posted this already but here's some 5th gen folding mirror info

http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx

Posted by: azian_advanced Sep 4, 2008 - 8:35 PM

i have a couple of 5th gen wiring pictures, but they weren't taken at a good angle to determine what pins they connect to.

i'll post pics when i get to a PC. im on my phone.

Posted by: azian_advanced Sep 5, 2008 - 1:03 AM

the only pictures i have:




Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 5, 2008 - 6:33 AM

yup.

im going to hook up the two mirrors and see waht happens...

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 18, 2008 - 7:54 AM

ok...

Demystifying the JDM Relay

I got one after months of searching ebay. here is the final thing. After buying 3 JDM relays

1. Cross generation relays don't work with our 6th gen mirrors mirrors

2. The circuitry inside is completely different, as i can prove it.

3. These circuits are not "Non-serviceable parts inside" All parts are able to be traced in the net, and fixed. Due to the rarity of it, if you happen to get one burned, it can be fixed, dont throw it away.

4. Dont even bother or waste your money if the part number is not 87989-20060. I found out the wrong way (80 bucks)

5. This thread must be cleaned lol. Too many pages of non usable info biggrin.gif

look at the pictures and guess the right relay!





you are right, the middle one. Its just a bunch of resistors and two relays. Its not plutonium with "mineralite" from mars. Therefore fixable.

The others are a 5th gen celica and a 2 or third gen Mark,Chaser. These other two are identical to each other and some from Ae92 and some MR2.



I wasted hours trying to make the others work, in so many different ways. So please dont wast yours. I found an ebay seller who was selling this relay with some 5th gen mirrors and was willing to part out. He was really nice, he may even join. IDK

for those of you wanting to see a picture here it is. I have yet to wire it. But its the right one.



the wiring diagram is the one already posted. I got mine with a pig tail. But guess what if you have a slave cd, deck or radio you can cut the harness. So go to the nearest junkyard and cut. It may not be color coded but it plugs.



there, my total cost 120 bucks. Each relay for 40 laugh.gif .

I know Stenotsaw is looking for some relays, i was one of the one who contacted him. I now for a fact Death is looking for one. And heck i will even buy another set, as i will be purchasing a second celi in the future.

Posted by: zero07 Sep 18, 2008 - 11:05 AM

Good info considdering i've had that relay sitting in my center console for months.

I really need to just have a go at it!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Sep 18, 2008 - 2:17 PM

QUOTE (zero07 @ Sep 18, 2008 - 12:05 PM) *
Good info considdering i've had that relay sitting in my center console for months.

I really need to just have a go at it!



Now its best to have the pigtail. There might be a possibility of 2 relays with same part number, cause my wiring is different, I just simply matched the colors of the mirror wires to the relay. Its working beautiful. I took as many pics of my pigtail so everybody can see the colors.

If you have any doubts check your board and see if it matches mine. If it does, just copy the colors in the case you dont have a pigtail.

i will put a diagram of my wiring and corresponding pin numbers later. Alse an exploded view of the circuit board for matching.













Posted by: Batman722 Sep 18, 2008 - 10:54 PM

thumbsup.gif

Posted by: petna Sep 23, 2008 - 5:38 PM

Luckily I got the right relay for mine and followed azian_advanced wiring diagram at the top of page 10 although line up the wire colours and it works without knowing what each is. Because I had the UK heated mirrors to start with I now have hybrid heated electric folding mirrors. Been in a couple of months and still working well smile.gif anyone in the UK needing help give me a shout smile.gif

Posted by: edvatronas Aug 9, 2009 - 4:24 AM

I have problem with wiring, I have 5 gen relay and JDM mirrors, but the wiring diagram placed in this topic shows that blue/white it's ACC and White/black is (-).
But I do not have wires with these colors at all...
I see 3 big wires (I thing it should be power source wires) and colors is Green, White, and Green yellow.

Maybe somebody have 5gen wiring? Please...

Sorry for my english.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Aug 9, 2009 - 11:44 AM

5ht gen relay dont work with 6th gen mirrors, believe me i tried. I ended up with 3 relays,,,,

Posted by: edvatronas Aug 9, 2009 - 12:24 PM

I have 5 gen relay and 5 gen mirrors. It should work.

QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Aug 9, 2009 - 12:44 PM) *
5ht gen relay dont work with 6th gen mirrors, believe me i tried. I ended up with 3 relays,,,,





Posted by: njccmd2002 Aug 9, 2009 - 12:36 PM

hae you tried matching the colors. post pics to see. also paste the part no.

do you have the pigtail

Posted by: edvatronas Aug 9, 2009 - 12:38 PM




I don't know how insert bigest foto, please follow the link:
http://www.bs.lt/celica/mir1.jpg
http://www.bs.lt/celica/mir2.jpg

The part no I thing is 85964-20020

What is pigtail? The connector? Yes I have.

Actually strange, the colors on the mirrors are the same as on the wiring diagram,
But wires do not match on the control relay. Now I cannot make a foto, because it is in the vehicle.

But for example, on the control relay there no wires with blue, blue/white, blue/red, blue/yellow.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Aug 10, 2009 - 7:29 AM

are you sure its the right one (relay)

check out this link,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOYOTA-MR2-MK2-HEADLAMP-RETRACTOR-CONTROL-RELAY--_W0QQitemZ260448830303QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090719?IMSfp=TL090719153004r28933

its for the lights retractor of mr2.

these are the relays 5th and 6th gen

Posted by: edvatronas Aug 10, 2009 - 9:21 AM

QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Aug 10, 2009 - 7:29 AM) *
are you sure its the right one (relay)

check out this link,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOYOTA-MR2-MK2-HEADLAMP-RETRACTOR-CONTROL-RELAY--_W0QQitemZ260448830303QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090719?IMSfp=TL090719153004r28933

its for the lights retractor of mr2.

these are the relays 5th and 6th gen


Yes could be wrong relay..., I thinked about it....
Today going to the jdm vehicle to find the right relay... smile.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Aug 10, 2009 - 10:19 AM

do you know where to look, it should be under the dashboard...

Posted by: edvatronas Aug 12, 2009 - 1:34 AM

QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Aug 10, 2009 - 10:19 AM) *
do you know where to look, it should be under the dashboard...


Yes I find it!!! smile.gif



Part number 87989-20030

Wire colors are the same as on the wiring diagram, I thing now should be everythink fine. I'll try to install this week or weekend...

Can be problems if I install only 1 mirror (because already I have still 1)?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Aug 12, 2009 - 9:31 AM

no problems,

Posted by: edvatronas Aug 17, 2009 - 1:10 AM

Installed mirror! smile.gif Everythink works fine... smile.gif

Posted by: 2bcelica Aug 21, 2009 - 11:08 PM

I had a chance to wire up the mirrors today and every thing works fine ( 6th gen JDM mirrors) . No relay was needed - Just had the switch and pig tails and mirrors. It took me about an hr to do it. What made it easy for me was using an electrical light tester. I decided to give it a shot without reading the info on here first because I just wanted to see for myself if i was able to do it.

Its very cool - A must have JDM part.

Posted by: Cavegod Aug 23, 2009 - 3:49 AM

Gen 6 jdm folding mirrorz

pre96 used a control relay to operate the mirrors
Facelift just used the mirror switch to control the mirrors

you can tell the difference as the pre 96 has 1 pink wire that sends the signal to the mirror control relay.

Posted by: BloodyStupidDavey Dec 30, 2009 - 6:04 AM

nervermind biggrin.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Dec 30, 2009 - 9:11 AM

this thread needs to be cleaned. too much scattered info.

Posted by: Batman722 Jan 12, 2010 - 4:13 PM

I picked a set recently...swapped the motors into my USDM mirror housings, re-wired the mirror switch to match the JDM pins, ran 2 wires to each mirror, and BAM, folding mirrors with the touch of a switch.

crappy vid, I'll take more another day.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Batman722/?action=view&current=15036848235_ORIG.flv

yay !

Posted by: Culpable04 Jan 12, 2010 - 4:19 PM

great work smile.gif

Posted by: nsxtypeR Mar 16, 2010 - 11:58 AM

For those of you who wants 5th gen mirrors on his/hers 6th gen:

schematic of 5th gen power folding mirrors:


Posted by: presure2 Apr 18, 2010 - 3:13 PM

to add to the mess of info, i have one of the 94-95 mirror control boxes for sale:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=73373

Posted by: TRD-021 Apr 27, 2010 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE (nsxtypeR @ Mar 16, 2010 - 11:58 AM) *
For those of you who wants 5th gen mirrors on his/hers 6th gen:

schematic of 5th gen power folding mirrors:



You beauty! !

I got the last piece of the puzzel

I finaly going to wire my mirrors biggrin.gif

Posted by: whitie_bear Jul 13, 2010 - 3:49 PM

do you know how to fold in the mirrors ... well electrically that is

like for example if i ground the (making up wires here) purple and green wire for a second they fold in...if i do it again they fold out


i want to hook my folding mirrors up to my alarm aux output (should be easy enough?)

Posted by: azian_advanced Jul 13, 2010 - 5:35 PM

the retract button on the control switch uses a positive signal (pink wire) to signal the mirror control box to open or close the mirrors. so if the aux on your alarm outputs a positive signal, then just splice it with the pink wire on the control switch.

Posted by: GriffGirl Jul 13, 2010 - 6:57 PM

This thread couldn't be brought back from the dead in a more timely way for me tongue.gif

Posted by: Batman722 Jul 13, 2010 - 9:56 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Jul 13, 2010 - 6:35 PM) *
the retract button on the control switch uses a positive signal (pink wire) to signal the mirror control box to open or close the mirrors. so if the aux on your alarm outputs a positive signal, then just splice it with the pink wire on the control switch.

if it's a 94-95, no pink wire on the 96+ correct ?
neither of mine have a pink wire...

Posted by: azian_advanced Jul 14, 2010 - 12:23 AM

right. there is only the one pink wire for retracting the mirrors for 94-95, but it's more complicated on 96+ because there are 2 retract wires (red with yellow and blue with white) on the control switch.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 14, 2010 - 1:01 AM

gotta love the pick wire... thats what i have, with a jdm relay

Posted by: alex_xp Jul 25, 2010 - 7:26 PM

QUOTE (CelicaZR @ Oct 26, 2005 - 9:37 AM) *
Sorry for bring up an old thread
I just got my 6gen JDM Power folding mirrors.
I'm pulling my hair just looking at it.
I got the 2 mirrors and the controller.
Can you guys help me out?

For the controller
On the top row
2 pins - space - 2 pins

on the bottom row
6 pins


Hi
Anyone have the pinout of this switch, because I do not have the harness female.
And someone has this relay
http://img72.imageshack.us/i/img00143.jpg/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/img00142i.jpg/

87989-17020 (4d39)
Came with my JDM power folding mirror, the problem is that the colors wires is completely different from any other relay in the same part number.
e.g. http://img213.imageshack.us/i/resizecauuu7am.jpg/

He detailed

top
1 pink with black line
2 light green
3 space
4 white with black line
5 blue with black line
6 brown with yellow line
7 brown with red line

Down
8 brown black line
9 brown
10 red
clip
11 light green with black line
12 pink

Someone can help me.
Thanks

Posted by: azian_advanced Jul 26, 2010 - 1:56 AM

from page 4

QUOTE (SilverGT @ Nov 4, 2004 - 10:42 AM) *
The connections on the JDM control.



1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster
5 - chassis
6 - power +12v
7 - right horizontal adjuster
8 - right vertical adjuster
9 - common feed to adjusters
10 - left horizontal adjuster



and save yourself the trouble and get the 6th gen celica relay with wire harness.



87989-20060

Posted by: Rusty Jul 26, 2010 - 2:22 AM

wow I've never really used my folding mirrors. I guess I've taken it for granted

Posted by: alex_xp Jul 26, 2010 - 8:51 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Jul 26, 2010 - 1:56 AM) *
from page 4

QUOTE (SilverGT @ Nov 4, 2004 - 10:42 AM) *
The connections on the JDM control.



1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster
5 - chassis
6 - power +12v
7 - right horizontal adjuster
8 - right vertical adjuster
9 - common feed to adjusters
10 - left horizontal adjuster



and save yourself the trouble and get the 6th gen celica relay with wire harness.



87989-20060


Azian thanks for your response.
for the switch, they are not physically equal I have the 2
That of the left side is the switch of my post (the male harness is very similar to the USDM stock), and that of the right is that of your post
http://img820.imageshack.us/i/switchs2.jpg/
http://img820.imageshack.us/i/switchs1.jpg/

I did a few tests of conductivity and the pines of chassis, power +12v, common feed to adjusters, they are located in pines different.


In addition the button of the folding they work in different form, in the switch of the left side it is a push-button, in the switch of the right it is an on/off, for this way calling it
http://img820.imageshack.us/i/switchs3.jpg/

I wait to continue testing and to do algun useful contribution to this forum.

Posted by: AnaXyd Aug 21, 2010 - 5:13 PM

Some people say that we dont need the relay box? Got these mirrors off from a 94 JDM, and I'll got the white relay box with me. Tried to make it work without, but I cant see a way without using the relay box. When you press the fold button, it sends a activation signal, and thats not strong enough to fold the mirrors? And IF you wire it like that, you need to keep the button down until they are completely folded? And what about unfolding them?

Posted by: azian_advanced Aug 22, 2010 - 11:42 PM

each 94-95 mirror uses 4 wires, 2 to open and 2 to close. so the problem is not that the retract button cannot provide enough power to fold the mirrors, but there is no simple way to have that one 'retract button' wire alternate between controlling 2 wires to open then switch to the other 2 wires to close. IF you somehow find a way to wire it like that, YES you will have to hold the retract button down until it closes or opens all the way.

Posted by: m4dm4n Sep 6, 2010 - 8:33 PM

This is a great thread, and I'm only changing over to these because the pass. side mirror housing was badly damaged from one of the previous owners. It looks like some idiot was trying to melt the plastic with a lighter to rejoin the broken piece.

Anyway I grabbed a pair of JDM folding 6G mirrors off eBay with the control switch and they arrived yesterday arvo. I go to unbolt the broken mirror and remove it but it wouldn't come away from the door. Upon closer inspection I realised there was still a screw holding it in place.

How do we get to the screw?

Posted by: mkernz22 Sep 6, 2010 - 9:13 PM

QUOTE (m4dm4n @ Sep 6, 2010 - 9:33 PM) *
This is a great thread, and I'm only changing over to these because the pass. side mirror housing was badly damaged from one of the previous owners. It looks like some idiot was trying to melt the plastic with a lighter to rejoin the broken piece.

Anyway I grabbed a pair of JDM folding 6G mirrors off eBay with the control switch and they arrived yesterday arvo. I go to unbolt the broken mirror and remove it but it wouldn't come away from the door. Upon closer inspection I realised there was still a screw holding it in place.

How do we get to the screw?


You just really have to pull at it man. It wont break so do worry. Try working it up and down and all around and then it will eventually come out. <-that just sounds so bad haha laugh.gif

Posted by: m4dm4n Sep 6, 2010 - 9:51 PM

Yeah I was going to do that but then I thought there's no way to get that screw back in again... I suppose it's not really needed though is it?

Posted by: mkernz22 Sep 6, 2010 - 9:57 PM

when you put the new mirror on, it just pops back in the hole. It's a semi safety device so that the mirror doesn't fall when you take off all the bolts

Posted by: m4dm4n Sep 6, 2010 - 10:02 PM

awesome i'll give that a go, thanks man

Posted by: mkernz22 Sep 6, 2010 - 10:08 PM

yeah, no problem at all! GL

Posted by: PriEagle Oct 31, 2010 - 10:56 PM

I've read through this thread soooooooo many times. LOL

I first had a 96+ version of the side mirrors but the motor on the driver side was defective so I bought another pair and this time with a switch. BUT, the new one I got (which was packaged a whole lot better and is in really awesome condition) is the 94-95 version. I might be asking a stupid question or even a question that has been answered (eventhough I couldn't find it) but I'm so busy with work that when I do have time to sit down and try to learn something new its already 9pm and I'm tired. Please help guys.

I'll take pics of what I got but just to give you an idea of what I'm having trouble with....the set of side mirrors I got also came with the pigtails and the switch as well.

Wires for retract/return on mirror motor are solid green and solid blue.
Wires from pigtail for retract/return on mirror motor are red w/yellow and blue w/white.
Of course from the switch there is only a pink wire that as I understand would connect to the stock relay which then sends the signals out to both mirrors.

My question/problem is that I do not have the stock relay that should have arrived with this pair of mirrors and switch; and would like to use two 5-pin relays and wire mirrors and switch with both 5-pin relays such that polarities would change when I press the push-button on the switch.

I'm not familiar with relays as much and would like assistance from anybody that has probably encountered this same problem or other alternatives with using original switch to control power folding mirrors. If this isn't possible, I suppose I'll deal with using a DPDT switch as was suggested but really would prefer using push-button. :-D

On a side note: if anybody is in need of a passenger side 96+ mirror motor with power folding I'll have it available after I install the pair of folding mirrors I got now.......or maybe somebody out there got a jap relay for the pair of folding mirrors I got now...:-/

thanks in advance for any help.

Posted by: mkernz22 Jan 13, 2011 - 7:51 PM

just read this whole thread. legit.

only question that popped into my mind, "we have heated mirrors?..."
do we though? cause I never knew about it.

This thread will be very helpful for when I install mine biggrin.gif
Dustin might help me a little bit though

Posted by: azian_advanced Jan 13, 2011 - 10:24 PM

QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Jan 13, 2011 - 6:51 PM) *
only question that popped into my mind, "we have heated mirrors?..."
do we though? cause I never knew about it.


heated mirrors was never available in north america but were a feature in uk cars 96 and up. there were no specific buttons for it but was probably linked with the rear defrost button.
if you can source the mirrors, you can wire them in yourself.. there are only 2 wires so wiring should be pretty simple. check out this guide: http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/supermirror.html

Part Numbers:

Glass, Mirror
87931-2B800 RH
87961-2B800 LH

Posted by: mkernz22 Jan 13, 2011 - 11:58 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Jan 13, 2011 - 10:24 PM) *
QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Jan 13, 2011 - 6:51 PM) *
only question that popped into my mind, "we have heated mirrors?..."
do we though? cause I never knew about it.


heated mirrors was never available in north america but were a feature in uk cars 96 and up. there were no specific buttons for it but was probably linked with the rear defrost button.
if you can source the mirrors, you can wire them in yourself.. there are only 2 wires so wiring should be pretty simple. check out this guide: http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/supermirror.html

Part Numbers:

Glass, Mirror
87931-2B800 RH
87961-2B800 LH


I just bought a pair of JDM folding mirrors with the R516 switch.
the only reason i knew about the heated mirrors was from this thread and my fuse box lol
I'll most likely wire them to an external switch for easier access.
Thank you for the link and the part numbers! They are very helpful smile.gif

Posted by: mkernz22 Jan 14, 2011 - 5:04 PM

How hard is it to put the mirror back on after you've popped it off?
is there a special glue or something?

Posted by: azian_advanced Jan 14, 2011 - 8:32 PM

10x easier than taking it off.

Posted by: italiano169 Mar 9, 2011 - 9:23 PM

IM LOOKING FOR THE RELAY THAT THEY ARE TALKING BOUT IN THIS POST. PLEASEEEEE HELPPP
87989-17020 OR 87989-20060

Posted by: mkernz22 Mar 9, 2011 - 9:44 PM

that part is pretty hard to find....good luck with it.
try to find the switch with the r516 on the back because the relay is built in

Posted by: Makabra Mar 31, 2011 - 1:41 AM

I got my mirrors from facelifted jdm gt4. They dont come with a separated relaybox. As i found on UK celica club, after facelift they moved relay into switch. Also theres a difference in retraction mechanism. No need to mod anytning to get a full retraction after LHD conversion

Posted by: dudeofchaos Feb 10, 2012 - 2:02 AM

Hey guys, I have a Jdm st205 and there are 5th gen mirrors on it right now though I want to put the 6th gen power folding mirrors on it. I believe I only have one left with no glass on it. If I get myself USDM mirrors I won't be able to make them fold right? I guess the only solution left is to buy a new set, or is it? kindasad.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Feb 10, 2012 - 4:30 AM

yes you can make them fold.

just have to get out of the car and do it manually..

Posted by: dudeofchaos Feb 10, 2012 - 2:45 PM

QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Feb 10, 2012 - 5:30 AM) *
yes you can make them fold.

just have to get out of the car and do it manually..


I *obviously* meant electrically..

Posted by: dudeofchaos Mar 12, 2012 - 6:39 PM

Could anybody help me, I've got this situation;

My mirror is wired (correctly, it's a JDM so there was no modification made). The motor is able to flip it open but it can make it fold as you can see on these 2 videos:

http://s711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/dudeofchaos/?action=view&current=IMG_0260.mp4

http://s711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/dudeofchaos/?action=view&current=MyMovie.mp4

It seems like it doesn't have enough strenght to make it fold, I have to help it with my hand or it won't move.


And also the lens only moves from left to right, not up and down.
Anybody knows what's the problem??

Posted by: azian_advanced Mar 12, 2012 - 8:55 PM

i had a similar issue with mine and the problem was that the worm gear popped off the shaft. there's enough resistance to transfer torque from the shaft to the worm gear, but there isn't enough longitudinal resistance along the length of the shaft to keep the gear from popping off.

i simply super-glued the worm gear to the shaft to keep it from popping & clicking like that but it's tricky because the hole in the wormgear is about 1mm and you only need a tiny amount of glue to do it but be careful from gluing the shaft to the motor. i can see the worm gear pop at 00:34 secs in the 2nd video.

Posted by: dudeofchaos Mar 12, 2012 - 9:34 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Mar 12, 2012 - 9:55 PM) *
i had a similar issue with mine and the problem was that the worm gear popped off the shaft. there's enough resistance to transfer torque from the shaft to the worm gear, but there isn't enough longitudinal resistance along the length of the shaft to keep the gear from popping off.

i simply super-glued the worm gear to the shaft to keep it from popping & clicking like that but it's tricky because the hole in the wormgear is about 1mm and you only need a tiny amount of glue to do it but be careful from gluing the shaft to the motor. i can see the worm gear pop at 00:34 secs in the 2nd video.


Alright, I'll try that tomorrow. Hope some glue can fix it!

Though do you thing it's for the same reason that it won't budge went I push the button on the first video at 0:06?

Posted by: dudeofchaos Aug 15, 2012 - 4:54 PM

Bringing back an old thread to life..

I bought JDM powerfolding mirrors to go on my Gt-Four from FORGMANN.
Original mirrors were already power folding but broken.

The ones I bought from him don't have the same connector and they only have 5 wires (red, black, brown, blue, green). The connector only has 6 pins, 3 on top and 3 on bottom.

Are they powerfolding? What's the difference?

My St204 has power mirrors but there are only 3 wires for each mirror (red, brown and black), so now I don't know what to think..

Anyone could help me out? smile.gif Thanks!

P.s. I know **** about electric stuff.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Aug 17, 2012 - 12:37 AM

the extra wires power the little motors that fold.

Posted by: dudeofchaos Aug 18, 2012 - 11:01 AM

Then, if they have 5 wires it means they're not powerfolding then..?

Posted by: diegohiga Sep 30, 2012 - 10:09 PM

hey im on my phone and having problema going thru all 15 pages
did someome actually made these mirrors work? and eveytime you remove the key do they fold in?

Posted by: azian_advanced Sep 30, 2012 - 11:16 PM

they only fold in when you push the button

Posted by: diegohiga Sep 30, 2012 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Oct 1, 2012 - 12:16 AM) *
they only fold in when you push the button

oh i was asking because i used to live in japan and the mirrors of my father's honda odyssey used to fold in automatically when he removed the key if i remember correctly.
so anyone made them 100% to work ?

Posted by: diegohiga Mar 6, 2013 - 9:50 AM

Installed asd working perfectly
http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1041.photobucket.com/albums/b419/diegohiga/20130305_181159_zpsa194a7b8.mp4

Posted by: yagamius Mar 11, 2013 - 1:42 AM

nice I received mine couple of days ago, I will have to review this to make them work.

any additional information or tips for best results.

Posted by: ricochet1490 Mar 18, 2013 - 6:07 PM

QUOTE (diegohiga @ Mar 6, 2013 - 10:50 AM) *
Installed asd working perfectly
http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1041.photobucket.com/albums/b419/diegohiga/20130305_181159_zpsa194a7b8.mp4


When you wired these up did you have the relay?

If you didn't have the relay, what did you hook the red/yellow and the blue/white wires up to!?

This is driving me mad. I directly spliced the red/yellow and blue/white wires to the mirror (granted the right side mirror because that's where I"m sitting) and the mirror opened and closed but wouldn't turn off until I disconnected power. It was as if the position sensor wasn't working or something. Do I have to hook it directly to the left mirror first and have that backfeed to the right mirror?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 18, 2013 - 6:50 PM

i dont remember colors, but i promise u ill get the info on thursday. the colors u talk about are my wires, or your wires, lol....

i need to paint the mirrors, so i have to take them apart.....

Posted by: ricochet1490 Mar 18, 2013 - 7:47 PM

Thanks man,
I'm just curious how everyone else did it without the PINK wire and the relay. What did they hook up, did they just run two wires to each mirror and call it a day?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 18, 2013 - 8:11 PM

actualy there are 4 wires to each mirror. and 1 wire to the relay..

Posted by: ricochet1490 Mar 18, 2013 - 9:18 PM

I have factory worrying for the most part, it's just how the mirrors hook up to the switch, that eludes me. I won't to try and avoid using the relay because I don't want to make custom harnesses to run to the relay.

Just curious how they hook the fold and unfold wires that connect to the mirrors..... to the switch. Through one mirror to the other? To both of the mirrors at the same time. That's what Id like to know... How the regular US guys did it without the relay.. there is no info on that..

Posted by: JoshuaM Mar 19, 2013 - 6:07 AM

QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Mar 18, 2013 - 10:18 PM) *
I have factory worrying for the most part, it's just how the mirrors hook up to the switch, that eludes me. I won't to try and avoid using the relay because I don't want to make custom harnesses to run to the relay.

Just curious how they hook the fold and unfold wires that connect to the mirrors..... to the switch. Through one mirror to the other? To both of the mirrors at the same time. That's what Id like to know... How the regular US guys did it without the relay.. there is no info on that..


I see that you have resorted to the CCUK forums as well tongue.gif

On a related note, I want to get some JDM power folding mirrors!!! But I'm stingy with cash so only if I get a good deal and they're already painted silver tongue.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 19, 2013 - 7:45 AM

u need the switch without the relay.

the pink wire sends a 12 volt signal to the relay to open/close circuit. this switch is only a push type, meaning it wont stay depressed...



each mirror has 4 wires. 2 wires open and 2 wires close. it depends on polarity. or you can use a switch one that stays depressed when pressed and viceversa.



i just went the oem way....

Posted by: ricochet1490 Mar 19, 2013 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE (JoshuaM @ Mar 19, 2013 - 7:07 AM) *
QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Mar 18, 2013 - 10:18 PM) *
I have factory worrying for the most part, it's just how the mirrors hook up to the switch, that eludes me. I won't to try and avoid using the relay because I don't want to make custom harnesses to run to the relay.

Just curious how they hook the fold and unfold wires that connect to the mirrors..... to the switch. Through one mirror to the other? To both of the mirrors at the same time. That's what Id like to know... How the regular US guys did it without the relay.. there is no info on that..


I see that you have resorted to the CCUK forums as well tongue.gif

On a related note, I want to get some JDM power folding mirrors!!! But I'm stingy with cash so only if I get a good deal and they're already painted silver tongue.gif

#desperate

I have the other switch too...

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 19, 2013 - 12:33 PM

first examine the diferences between both switches, and are there any extra wires?

Posted by: glenn Mar 25, 2013 - 12:31 PM

This thread is SO messy.. frown.gif

Now I finally sourced a couple of retractable mirrors in the correct colour for my ST205 (black of course), but I cannot find one single usable picture of
how I should wire it ? there are a good pic of it for gen5 but not gen6 ? ..the one that i found does not seem to be correct for my mirrors.

Does someone have a nice schematic with the colors and pin positions for the original Eurospec mirror (electrically adjustable and heated) AND the retractable JDM mirror ?

Are the connector of those two the same ? if not, does anyone know what this connector is called, or maybe a partnumber of it.

I plan to use neither the relay or the original switch, just let it automatically retract when i turn of ignition, and do some own solution with a relay or some logic to fix the switch of polarity.


..My ST205 is a eurospec (LHD) from 1996, the mirrors are also from a JDM ST205 but I have no clue from what year.

Posted by: diegohiga Mar 27, 2013 - 7:43 AM

QUOTE (glenn @ Mar 25, 2013 - 1:31 PM) *
This thread is SO messy.. frown.gif

Now I finally sourced a couple of retractable mirrors in the correct colour for my ST205 (black of course), but I cannot find one single usable picture of
how I should wire it ? there are a good pic of it for gen5 but not gen6 ? ..the one that i found does not seem to be correct for my mirrors.

Does someone have a nice schematic with the colors and pin positions for the original Eurospec mirror (electrically adjustable and heated) AND the retractable JDM mirror ?

Are the connector of those two the same ? if not, does anyone know what this connector is called, or maybe a partnumber of it.

I plan to use neither the relay or the original switch, just let it automatically retract when i turn of ignition, and do some own solution with a relay or some logic to fix the switch of polarity.


..My ST205 is a eurospec (LHD) from 1996, the mirrors are also from a JDM ST205 but I have no clue from what year.


Ok so apparently there are 2 diferent jdm mirrors.
.
One with the relay incorporated in the switch and the other with the relay behind the dash

How many cables are coming out from the mirror?

My mirrors have 5 cables in each side. 3 cables are to move the mirror up and down and other 2 to fold/open the mirror.

This is how it works the relay on the switch invertes the polarity + and - So when one of the wires recieve + and the other - they open and when you hit the switch the polarity inverts from positive to negative and negtive to positive and thats when they fold. So you cant shut down the ignition and fold them because you would need constant electricity to fold them.

Idk if I was lucky but the colors of the 3 cables the move the mirror up and down matched the harness of my car. And then i just connecte the extra 2 to wires to the ignition so they only open/fold when the car is running amd when the ignition is on.

Hope this helps unless you have the other mirrors.




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