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Posted by: Malek Feb 10, 2013 - 1:23 PM

Mission: Do it right the first time

Phase 1:
-Gen 3 3sgte swap

Phase 2:
-Complete AWD conversion
-Clean


28 JAN 13
Purchased 1999 Toyota Celica from a private seller in Boulder, CO.
Apparent timing issue and suspected head gasket issue.
Drove it 30 minutes back to Golden, CO with coolant spewing. And when I got back, I beat on it some more.
Back at the shop, wasted no time tearing into it

Had to stop once to let it cool down a little


Ripping into it that night



29 JAN 13
Engine and transmission pulled

Signature Tweak pose


31 JAN 13
Ordered ST205 front clip
-coming with bumper, fenders, hood, lights and a set of projectors
-rear subframe
-rear diff, axles, brakes, drive shaft
-Ton of extra stuff I don't need






1-9 FEB 13
Ordered:
-Berk gen 3 downpipe ceramic coated with wideband bung
-Clutchmasters FX300 assembly for swap
-Triple gauge A pillar (for boost, oil press, wideband)
-Hose for remote oil pressure sender location
-Walbro gss342 + 400-765 kit
Cut a hole in the fire wall for wiring harness

9-15 FEB 13
-Have been collecting parts for the swap
-Installed new Walbro fuel pump

17 FEB 13
-Final decision has been made
FULL AWD Conversion
-I plan on using the GT suspension and GT4 brakes
-Have not decided yet to cut floor pan and weld or make custom brackets


ETA for clip 11 MARCH 13
Until then, I will be researching boost controllers and wheels.

11-18 March 13
PHASE 1: COMPLETE
see page 2
-3rd Gen 3SGTE
-FWD
-OZ Crono

30 April 13
PHASE 2: BEGINS
see page 3 and 4
-Fuel Cell
-AWD
-GT4 Brakes

Posted by: enderswift Feb 10, 2013 - 1:36 PM

This is gonna be a good thread, I can tell already. AndI'm jealous of that clip. Let me know if you ever want to part with the rear floor

Posted by: cheela Feb 10, 2013 - 3:51 PM

looks great! that clips is really clean too!

Posted by: Malek Feb 10, 2013 - 4:08 PM

I'm really debating doing a full AWD swap.

I had a few subies. AWD is pretty damn cool but idk..it's quite a bit more work. I'd cut and swap floor pans..

What do you think? Do it all at once?

Posted by: richee3 Feb 10, 2013 - 4:17 PM

I'd keep it FWD for now and decide on the AWD conversion later. That's just me though That clip looks great! It's a shame that it's going to take so long to get here. Keep us updated!

Posted by: mkernz22 Feb 10, 2013 - 4:55 PM

You might as well do it if you have everything....You could just weld the front and rear clips back together, then just weld on what you need for the body / upper half and it would be a legit GT4....I mean the engine, transmission, rear end, and everything is already in there so you wouldn't need to remove anything. It kind of makes sense.

Edit: And where did you order it from?

Posted by: Malek Feb 10, 2013 - 6:57 PM

QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Feb 10, 2013 - 4:55 PM) *
You might as well do it if you have everything....You could just weld the front and rear clips back together, then just weld on what you need for the body / upper half and it would be a legit GT4....I mean the engine, transmission, rear end, and everything is already in there so you wouldn't need to remove anything. It kind of makes sense.

Edit: And where did you order it from?


I'd much rather swap over engine, tranny, rear end..than cut the top half of a car and reweld it to a different bottom half. I am not THAT confident in my welding for all of that tongue.gif

Ordered it from Ho Wong at Sun Shing Trading Company. They're on eBay as new_stars. I lowballed them hard core and they took it laugh.gif

Posted by: mkernz22 Feb 12, 2013 - 8:44 AM

You got a lot of good sh!t for a cheap price then! usually they send less of a rear floor pan than that lol
I'll have to write down that name for when I do something with my car in the future!

Posted by: Malek Feb 12, 2013 - 10:24 AM

For sure! Not only did everything look clean, he sent me a TON of pictures, a video of it running AND has responded to my emails within 15 minutes with perfect english.

I was extremely impressed with his service. smile.gif

Small Update:
Getting packages in the mail feels so good!

Posted by: Ted95 Feb 12, 2013 - 11:17 AM

You have a really good start to the awd conversion, this is the first clip I've personally seen as complete as this one with the rear floor ect.. There aren't many awd conversion celicas state side and would probably be one of the only ones in Colorado unless imported from up North. You could always swap down the road it's your choice.

You'd piss off alot subies up there with a fasttt awd celica haha

You have a great parts list and parts at hand should be a fun build to watch good luck man!

Posted by: ClevelandGaint Feb 12, 2013 - 1:10 PM



Do you have a website or a telephone number where i can order the st205 front clip with engine?





QUOTE (Malek @ Feb 10, 2013 - 6:57 PM) *
QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Feb 10, 2013 - 4:55 PM) *
You might as well do it if you have everything....You could just weld the front and rear clips back together, then just weld on what you need for the body / upper half and it would be a legit GT4....I mean the engine, transmission, rear end, and everything is already in there so you wouldn't need to remove anything. It kind of makes sense.

Edit: And where did you order it from?


I'd much rather swap over engine, tranny, rear end..than cut the top half of a car and reweld it to a different bottom half. I am not THAT confident in my welding for all of that tongue.gif

Ordered it from Ho Wong at Sun Shing Trading Company. They're on eBay as new_stars. I lowballed them hard core and they took it laugh.gif


Posted by: Malek Feb 17, 2013 - 12:25 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The AWD swap is happening.

That is all.

Posted by: Ted95 Feb 17, 2013 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Malek @ Feb 17, 2013 - 12:25 PM) *
Ladies and Gentlemen,

The AWD swap is happening.

That is all.



thumbsup.gif

Posted by: mkernz22 Feb 17, 2013 - 1:41 PM

WOOOOO

Posted by: Malek Feb 18, 2013 - 12:54 AM

OK, so let's get into more of the details here.

We're talking full conversion.
E154F with axles
Super Strut, hubs, brakes
driveshaft, rear diff, gas tank.

what the hell, might as well do GT4 gauge cluster and auto climate control swap while I'm at it. Should be pretty easy since I am keeping it LHD. I'd just need to swap out interior harnesses right?? I know the auto cc has 3 sensors and I'd need to swap the 3 fan assembly but as far as the GT4 interior harness, it should fit with quite a bit of extra slack right? Correct me if I'm wrong on that..

AWD conversion:
I plan on dropping the engine and transmission in and getting everything bolted up and connected (As if it were a normal swap). Swapping out the front axle, hub, and strut assembly as one unit, if I can haha From there, I plan on starting from the transmission and working my way back making sure the brackets for the drive shafts are straight and strong. And when I get to the rear, I'll need to figure out just how much of the GT4 floor pan I will need to cut and transfer over. I'm hoping it's just the trunk area but that will most likely not be the case.

Well, damn..no longer need that hybrid clutch haha

Posted by: Malek Feb 25, 2013 - 9:26 PM

yep..just collecting parts haha


Posted by: homebuilder Feb 25, 2013 - 9:30 PM

Mind if I ask, where did you get the front clip with engine? What did it cost?

Looks great!

Posted by: playr158 Feb 25, 2013 - 10:23 PM

for the rear all you need to do is remove the spare tire well and weld in a flat panel.
Then you can remove the mounts from the underside by drilling out the tack welds and moving it over.

see here:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=85985&hl=mounts

Posted by: Malek Feb 26, 2013 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (homebuilder @ Feb 25, 2013 - 9:30 PM) *
Mind if I ask, where did you get the front clip with engine? What did it cost?

Looks great!


Check ya PM!

QUOTE (playr158 @ Feb 25, 2013 - 10:23 PM) *
for the rear all you need to do is remove the spare tire well and weld in a flat panel.
Then you can remove the mounts from the underside by drilling out the tack welds and moving it over.

see here:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=85985&hl=mounts


Much obliged biggrin.gif

Posted by: Ted95 Feb 26, 2013 - 8:39 AM

Which stage clutchmasters did you go with? .. Looks like a CM box in the pic.

Posted by: Malek Feb 26, 2013 - 10:00 AM

It is an FX300. Though i jumped the gun getting it because its for mating the s54 and 3sgte haha

Posted by: Malek Mar 19, 2013 - 11:29 AM

11-18 MARCH 13
I took delivery of the package!


And again, I went straight to work on getting it all out and in




That size difference redface.gif


Got some help


Got her in! (This pic was right at start up. I tidied up the wires and stuff. Don't worry haha)


At this point, I was having a fueling issue. I ran a 12ga wire and relay for the pump thinking it just wasn't getting enough current.
Turns out the fuel pump resistor pack wasn't completely plugged in.

Still have to fix that little gap rolleyes.gif


Finished!


References used:

-http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=64777&hl=pump
-http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82196
-http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=73105&st=80

Phase 1 Debrief:

-I ended up pulling the frame over the 3sgte engine. Rear output shaft housing kept getting stuck in between the subframe and steering rack.
-Missed the sneaky fuel return line to the gas tank. Spewed gas all over the floor on first start up kindasad.gif
-Fuel pump resistor pack wasn't completely plugged in. Ran for 20 seconds and then died. Plugged in now. Works.

Upcoming:
-Until Phase 2 begins, I will be focusing on cleaning everything up, exhaust, tuning, wheels, and suspension.

Stay Tuned!



Posted by: richee3 Mar 19, 2013 - 11:34 AM

That was fast. Good work!

Posted by: cheela Mar 19, 2013 - 1:26 PM

you make it look easy. very nice work!

Posted by: bsamps4 Mar 20, 2013 - 6:36 AM

Good Work!!!

Posted by: ricochet1490 Mar 20, 2013 - 10:52 AM

How did I miss this thread?!

I can't begin to tell you how frustrating cutting spot welds are. I did mine as full rhd so I cut the firewall out. The floor pan would suck. But new-stars is great! Good buy.
You also changed the motor how I did. Drop the subframe out the front.
You would have had to have changed the steering rack though right? Or did I miss something there?
This is my kinda swap though! Quick. Enjoy it and drive it, don't spend 1500 and a years worth of time rebuilding an engine that needs no attention.


Posted by: Malek Mar 20, 2013 - 8:01 PM

Thanks for the replies guys! I definitely wasted no time last week to get it done!

QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Mar 20, 2013 - 11:52 AM) *
How did I miss this thread?!

I can't begin to tell you how frustrating cutting spot welds are. I did mine as full rhd so I cut the firewall out. The floor pan would suck. But new-stars is great! Good buy.
You also changed the motor how I did. Drop the subframe out the front.
You would have had to have changed the steering rack though right? Or did I miss something there?
This is my kinda swap though! Quick. Enjoy it and drive it, don't spend 1500 and a years worth of time rebuilding an engine that needs no attention.


Yeah, I don't think I'll be swapping floor pans haha It's easy enough to make the brackets for the rear subframe for the awd conversion! But I'm not doing rhd at all. Nothing needed with the steering rack. Unless I use the GT4 suspension, then I'd just need the tie rod ends tongue.gif I have emissions and visual tests and cops to worry about here so it's staying LHD. (I used to live in Dayton. I really miss their registration process laugh.gif )

I will definitely be driving and enjoying it wink.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 20, 2013 - 8:12 PM

how in gods name did that clip get delivered like that, must be heavy...

Posted by: richee3 Mar 20, 2013 - 8:14 PM

You can pass emissions with e 3S-GTE in Colorado? The wifey wants to move to Colorado but I'm fairly certain we couldn't register our Celica there, so I'll be interested to hear how it's done.

Posted by: Malek Mar 20, 2013 - 9:23 PM

QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Mar 20, 2013 - 9:12 PM) *
how in gods name did that clip get delivered like that, must be heavy...


2,095lbs to be exact wink.gif it was..interesting to say the very least. At the distribution center loading dock, they used a fork lift to push it across the floor and into my truck. From there, I used a fork lift with fork extenders and chains to get it in the shop. Very sketchy..for sure..

QUOTE (richee3 @ Mar 20, 2013 - 9:14 PM) *
You can pass emissions with e 3S-GTE in Colorado? The wifey wants to move to Colorado but I'm fairly certain we couldn't register our Celica there, so I'll be interested to hear how it's done.


I'll let you know laugh.gif Worst case, I have a buddy in the Springs that will let me register it at his address. They don't do emissions there..Actually, quite a bit of colorado doesn't do emissions but the parts that do, really flaunt their environmentalist/hippy facade. Bunch of BS though. I'd venture to say a lawnmower spits out more s**t in a year than a car does..

Other than that, Colorado is absolutely beautiful biggrin.gif I moved out here for school. My entire family followed me the next year haha Definitely a great place to live if you're into the outdoors!

Posted by: Malek Mar 20, 2013 - 11:07 PM

From here..pushed through the bay door the guy in back is opening.


Into here...Barely fit haha


That poor fork lift haha

Posted by: match220 Mar 21, 2013 - 1:05 AM

QUOTE (Malek @ Feb 10, 2013 - 8:23 AM) *


haha..I have a picture of me like this somewhere when I pulled out my 5s. Except I'm sitting in a chair reading a magazine.

Nice build though! In hindsight I should have had a clip shipped to me instead of building one from a parted out 3s. It's hard enough trying to find 1 part from the engine (brackets..mounts..etc), but 30 - 40 parts..ugh. I'm glad I'm done!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 21, 2013 - 12:09 PM

dang, thats it. there is no way i can order that clip like that, where in gods name i get a fork lift.

Posted by: Malek Mar 23, 2013 - 6:42 PM

A little bit of an update:

Drove down to the Springs...


To get these woot.gif It's finally legal *kind of* haha Had to register it with my friends address...


Cleaned it up a little bit..Still very dirty. Previous owner trashed it.


Have to rewrap the steering wheel and get rid of that awful pseudo-wood

Posted by: playr158 Mar 24, 2013 - 10:40 AM

Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol

Posted by: Malek Mar 24, 2013 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Mar 24, 2013 - 10:40 AM) *
Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol


Haha thanks man! I drove through a blizzard the day I bought the Celi though. It was up in Boulder! Half an hour seems like an eternity when your car is overheating and you can't see anything!

I went up some canyon roads today. Wow, I missed driving a Celica haha

Posted by: Malek Mar 25, 2013 - 8:54 PM

Ordered:
-Optima Red Top Battery
-HKS Hi-Power Silent Exhaust 3in

woot.gif

Posted by: playr158 Mar 26, 2013 - 8:52 AM

QUOTE (Malek @ Mar 24, 2013 - 11:18 PM) *
QUOTE (playr158 @ Mar 24, 2013 - 10:40 AM) *
Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol


Haha thanks man! I drove through a blizzard the day I bought the Celi though. It was up in Boulder! Half an hour seems like an eternity when your car is overheating and you can't see anything!

I went up some canyon roads today. Wow, I missed driving a Celica haha



I miss climbing in that area frown.gif

glad you're enjoying the car though!!

you still going to do the AWD on it?

Posted by: Malek Mar 26, 2013 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Mar 26, 2013 - 8:52 AM) *
QUOTE (Malek @ Mar 24, 2013 - 11:18 PM) *
QUOTE (playr158 @ Mar 24, 2013 - 10:40 AM) *
Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol


Haha thanks man! I drove through a blizzard the day I bought the Celi though. It was up in Boulder! Half an hour seems like an eternity when your car is overheating and you can't see anything!

I went up some canyon roads today. Wow, I missed driving a Celica haha



I miss climbing in that area frown.gif

glad you're enjoying the car though!!

you still going to do the AWD on it?


Are you still in Colorado??
But yeah, so far I'm still on for AWD conversion. I dropped the rear subframe yesterday. I just need to drill out the driveshaft mount. I only got the front mount but it's better than nothing!

I won't start the AWD conversion probably until the summer. Need to give my hands a break laugh.gif

Posted by: playr158 Mar 26, 2013 - 11:08 AM

I've always lived in VA. But I visit Denver a few times a year and I bought my Audi in Colo springs. Would like to move their eventually!

Posted by: Malek Mar 27, 2013 - 4:36 PM

Why would anyone want to add so much more weight to their car?!? Is AWD reaaally worth it? hahaha



The ocean really did a bid on that subframe frown.gif

Posted by: match220 Mar 27, 2013 - 4:48 PM

QUOTE (Malek @ Mar 27, 2013 - 11:36 AM) *
Why would anyone want to add so much more weight to their car?!? Is AWD reaaally worth it? hahaha



I had a turbo talon (non-awd) and I had a problem with wheel hop on launches. So the wheels wouldn't grip the ground because it was only fwd. It even had a heavy duty LSD that made parking lots irritating. I would imagine the celica fwd would be the same (minus the LSD)

Posted by: Malek Mar 27, 2013 - 5:23 PM

QUOTE (match220 @ Mar 27, 2013 - 5:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Malek @ Mar 27, 2013 - 11:36 AM) *
Why would anyone want to add so much more weight to their car?!? Is AWD reaaally worth it? hahaha



I had a turbo talon (non-awd) and I had a problem with wheel hop on launches. So the wheels wouldn't grip the ground because it was only fwd. It even had a heavy duty LSD that made parking lots irritating. I would imagine the celica fwd would be the same (minus the LSD)


I was just kidding haha I just got back from the Subie game. AWD is definitely worth it laugh.gif I wheel hop and spin all over the place!

Posted by: match220 Mar 27, 2013 - 5:31 PM

I thought it might have been a joke (hence the "hahaha" and the end), but it's so hard to tell in plain text..lol

Posted by: ricochet1490 Mar 27, 2013 - 8:19 PM

Please document the heck out of this. This intrigues me.

Posted by: Malek Mar 30, 2013 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Mar 27, 2013 - 9:19 PM) *
Please document the heck out of this. This intrigues me.


I plan on it..I'm also hoping to get dimensions of the mounts, build them up in SolidWorks and have some made.

Until then, I'm thoroughly enjoying the Celica biggrin.gif


Posted by: qatar11 Mar 30, 2013 - 9:47 PM

Hey -

What are you doing with all your FWD GT bits? I may be interested in them for spares for the race car.... lemme know...

Posted by: Malek Mar 30, 2013 - 10:05 PM

PM'd ya! ^^

Posted by: Malek Apr 8, 2013 - 11:41 PM

Small Update:

The woodgrain is no more!


Got some new kicks


A friend of mine (with a built subaru RS) introduced me to his sponsor, Metro Performance, today. I talked and bull****ed with the owner for a good two hours. Anyways, he's more than interested in my project and will help me out with the AWD conversion. They are mostly a subaru shop but he wants to get in with other cars.

I'll be making some dimensions and throwing it in SolidWorks so he has something to go off of. Fab up some mounts and go from there! I'll keep ya guys posted!

Posted by: match220 Apr 9, 2013 - 12:46 AM

nice! Good luck with the sponsor guy!!

I like your interior, did it originally come with the tan and black interior or did someone do it custom that way? Mine is all black, and it's horrible in a convertible. The interior gets scorching hot when the top is down, worst idea ever for a convertible.

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Apr 9, 2013 - 2:03 AM

Oo those are sparco rims that are discontinued lucky

Posted by: Malek Apr 9, 2013 - 10:21 AM

QUOTE (match220 @ Apr 9, 2013 - 12:46 AM) *
nice! Good luck with the sponsor guy!!

I like your interior, did it originally come with the tan and black interior or did someone do it custom that way? Mine is all black, and it's horrible in a convertible. The interior gets scorching hot when the top is down, worst idea ever for a convertible.


Thanks! But yeah, interior is stock like that. It usually has the woodgrain with this scheme but I couldn't take it anymore. My first celi was all black interior. I loved it but I can see why you don't laugh.gif


QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Apr 9, 2013 - 2:03 AM) *
Oo those are sparco rims that are discontinued lucky


Close! haha They're OZ Chronos. Still discontinued though tongue.gif

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Apr 9, 2013 - 1:38 PM

Oh shoot haha thats what i meant its cause oz rally makes sparco wheels

Posted by: Malek Apr 14, 2013 - 10:46 PM

Some shots from today! Damn I love Colorado!

Disclaimer: I am not a photographer haha

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/IMG_1251_zps2460954d.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/IMG_1253_zps8dfcad3f.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/IMG_1256_zps1514d70f.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/IMG_1264_zpsa7eb8444.jpg.html

Sooo many things still left to do to my SpyroOscuro!

Posted by: Malek Apr 30, 2013 - 10:59 AM

Phase 2 Begins:

-17 gallon fuel cell
I had my eye on a few Fuel Safe and ATL cells but an RCi popped up on ebay for a good price and in the dimensions I wanted..so I went ahead and submitted a bid on it and I ended up winning.

-Subframe connectors
I have a few leads on the mounts. I do not want to measure and make my own if someone has already done all the R&D. Saves me time and money.

-E154F clutch
I got Clutchmasters to agree on warrantying my throwout bearing. They are known for sending the wrong one in their hybrid set for a 3sgte to S54 mate up. So TOB, alignment tool and FX350 disk are on their way.

-NonAWD specific
Seats/Carpet
New seat covers from Vincent should be done soon. Ordered the parts for aftermarket seat heaters with OEM switches. Pulled the carpet out to clean. Still very dirty and stained.

Brakes
Will be contacting my machine shop to see if they can grind down my GT4 rotors to 300mm.

Coilovers
Eyes on target: BC BR.

Alarm
I am still trying to figure out what aftermarket alarm/remote start system the previous owner had on the Celica. The RS3000 will not operate my door locks or arm/disarm the alarm. It will go into panic mode though if I hold down the button. Quite annoying.

A week from Thursday I will be dropping in the e154F woot.gif

Posted by: playr158 Apr 30, 2013 - 1:31 PM

QUOTE
Subframe connectors
I have a few leads on the mounts. I do not want to measure and make my own if someone has already done all the R&D. Saves me time and money.


Just remove them from the OEM floor pan you got?!
tack weld drill out and then weld on your car.

Posted by: Malek Apr 30, 2013 - 2:38 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Apr 30, 2013 - 2:31 PM) *
QUOTE
Subframe connectors
I have a few leads on the mounts. I do not want to measure and make my own if someone has already done all the R&D. Saves me time and money.


Just remove them from the OEM floor pan you got?!
tack weld drill out and then weld on your car.


Because the GT4 floor pan is a good 4 inches taller (at least), if I use those mounts the subframe will be way low.

Posted by: czwalga Apr 30, 2013 - 3:28 PM

In my opinion I wouldnt trust any mounts you buy from someone else. Jmeyer may be the only one to document his well enough, but I dont think he's selling them.

I'd build my own, knowing that the driveshaft angle and everything is installed to your liking. Also the wheel base will move foward about 1/2" if you use the GT4 arms.



Posted by: Malek Apr 30, 2013 - 7:18 PM

Interesting...

I didn't know the arms were different lengths. Noted. Probably would've figured it out, eventually tongue.gif

But to be honest, I just want rough dimensions so I have somewhere to start. If someone made quality mounts, I'd pickup a set and probably end up modifying them to my liking anyway.

If not...I'll be making my own.

Posted by: The_enD May 1, 2013 - 10:45 AM

Nice looking Celica, dude.

I'm sitting here, wondering, what's the weight on these wheels and wheel+tire?

Posted by: Malek May 1, 2013 - 1:22 PM

QUOTE (The_enD @ May 1, 2013 - 10:45 AM) *
Nice looking Celica, dude.

I'm sitting here, wondering, what's the weight on these wheels and wheel+tire?


Thanks man!

I know the OZs are 17ish. But I'm not sure about the tires.

Posted by: Malek May 4, 2013 - 10:58 PM

I couldn't wait…

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/9A764FEE-0C7F-48B3-8F4B-22A301BE6E3E-1020-000001288CDB1CAE_zpsfc67beac.jpg.html

Posted by: match220 May 4, 2013 - 11:41 PM

nice bikes! That's an 848 or 1098 in front..I can't really tell..and the others I think are ducatis but I can't really tell. I LOVE ducati valve design..and everything else about ducati's really except for the dry clutches.

Posted by: Malek May 5, 2013 - 12:09 AM

Thanks! That white one is an 848evo, followed by the Monster 696 and then the Multistrada. There's a white Honda NSR behind that huge MS, too haha

My whole family is full of gear heads. My 748 is in the conference room and we just stripped an 1198s this past week

The dry clutch is one of my favorite features! Among the trellis frame, SSS, desmodromic valve design..which gives the beautiful voice of a Ducati..

Wow..didn't take much for me to get off topic haha I have another forum and build threads for the 2 wheelers! tongue.gif

Posted by: match220 May 5, 2013 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Malek @ May 4, 2013 - 7:09 PM) *
Thanks man! That white one is an 848evo, followed by the Monster 696 and then the Multistrada. There's a white Honda NSR behind that huge MS, too haha

My whole family is full of gear heads. My 748 is in the conference room and we just stripped an 1198s this past week

The dry clutch is one of my favorite features! Among the trellis frame, SSS, desmodromic valve design..which gives the beautiful voice of a Ducati..

Wow..didn't take much for me to get off topic haha I have another forum and build threads for the 2 wheelers! tongue.gif


what is the difference in the 848evo and the regular 848 besides the noticeable red rims smile.gif ?

And the dry clutch is great for power, I like that aspect of it, but traffic is a MAJOR concern here, especially since we can't split lane. There are always motorcycle cops doing it and they will be quick to pull us over if we did, so that means we sit in 5 mph traffic for 30 - 45 minutes and either burn up the clutch or speed up, stop, speed up, stop, speed up, stop...

but yeah, desmodromic always gets my heart beating. Absolutely incredible design that I wish was incorporated into more than just ducs. Great performance across all RPMs and no valve float, just more adjustments more often, which I would have no problem with.

Posted by: Malek May 5, 2013 - 10:10 AM

The EVO has small engine changes like larger TBs and valves and taller cams. Revised piston crown (because of the valves). And of course the dope color schemes tongue.gif haha On the street, there isn't that much of a difference.

No traffic issue here woot.gif I even have an open clutch cover to make it ring!

Posted by: Malek May 9, 2013 - 7:56 PM

Some JDM swag

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/1A82A783-829C-4736-A793-95D58C38D88F-1885-0000015D7003EE99_zpsc57f357e.jpg.html

Posted by: aspen May 9, 2013 - 8:05 PM

Took the engine out to put on new fenders?

Posted by: Malek May 9, 2013 - 8:54 PM

QUOTE (aspen @ May 9, 2013 - 9:05 PM) *
Took the engine out to put on new fenders?


I was actually just changing the oil..then my wrench slipped and the engine jumped out. Figured I'd make good use of it and change the fenders while everything was out



laugh.gif

Update:
-GT4 shifter cables in
-GT4 fenders
-3S out and awaiting clutch disk to mate back up with the AWD trans
-Said clutch disk is expected to arrive tomorrow
-Received fuel cell
-Received my seat heaters lol

Posted by: playr158 May 9, 2013 - 9:34 PM

haha nice! seat heaters are going to be the best part of this project!

Posted by: richee3 May 9, 2013 - 9:44 PM

I hate to ask the painful questions, but is there any particular ETA on the AWD swap?

Posted by: Malek May 9, 2013 - 9:54 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ May 9, 2013 - 9:34 PM) *
haha nice! seat heaters are going to be the best part of this project!


For sure! I have no heat at all since I had to bypass the heater core! I did it in my last Celica. So worth it. Not to mention, my new seat covers should be here soon from vincent.

QUOTE (richee3 @ May 9, 2013 - 9:44 PM) *
I hate to ask the painful questions, but is there any particular ETA on the AWD swap?


As far as a set date, unfortunately, I don't. Since it's not my daily, I'm not crunching hardcore for time.

I'll be completely gone from 29 May to 26 June so I don't think it will be done during that time. I doubt it will be done before then but I'm just going one step at a time. Though, it will be done by summers end. Let's say NLT 23 August.

Posted by: Malek May 11, 2013 - 1:11 AM

After a bit of wrestling, mild cursing, and multiple sanity checks, I have successfully re-mated the 3S to the E154.

-Brand new Clutchmasters FX350 disk and throwout bearing (I will not f***ing give them anymore business, ever. Awful customer service)


Tomorrow:
-Drop new assembly back into the engine bay
-Start on rear end work

Sidenote: My UPS delivery guy, Dustin, is the man. I left a note for him at the shop where I knew my clutch would be delivered. He called me up and said he'd swing by my house later and drop it off for me. He knew where I lived because he's seen my car parked in the driveway a few times. He's got a built WRX hahaha

Anyways, carry on...

Posted by: enderswift May 11, 2013 - 8:56 AM

QUOTE
I will not f***ing give them anymore business, ever. Awful customer service


X2

Posted by: Ted95 May 11, 2013 - 1:57 PM

QUOTE (enderswift @ May 11, 2013 - 9:56 AM) *
QUOTE
I will not f***ing give them anymore business, ever. Awful customer service


X2


X3

John over at Southbend was great to work with after working with clutchmasters and there masterful customer service.. (sarcasm)

Great progress tho man! I'll have to make sure to be careful next time I change my oil.. Wouldn't want my 3s to jump out haha laugh.gif looking forward to more updates!

Posted by: Malek May 21, 2013 - 11:48 PM

Guess I should update this before I leave next week!

Since my last post:
-Engine and AWD trans are in
-GT4 brake calipers drilled and mounts tapped
~Waiting on my GT4 disks and ss braided lines to come in
-GT gas tank dropped and out of the way
~Made a custom -8an adapter to fit the stock fuel line

I haven't been working on it too much. I've been busy with my summer field session. Designing and building a small scale race car tongue.gif

Unfortunately, I don't foresee much else happening before I leave to field training..

Posted by: Malek Jul 12, 2013 - 11:20 AM

Alright! Let's update.

After coming back from FT, I found out that the guys at Metro Performance (who build full-on race cars) don't want to take on the challenge. Oh well..

Instead, I'll be designing my own mounts for the project. It'll get there..eventually

Posted by: bsamps4 Jul 16, 2013 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE (Malek @ May 21, 2013 - 11:48 PM) *
Guess I should update this before I leave next week!

Since my last post:
-Engine and AWD trans are in
-GT4 brake calipers drilled and mounts tapped
~Waiting on my GT4 disks and ss braided lines to come in
-GT gas tank dropped and out of the way
~Made a custom -8an adapter to fit the stock fuel line

I haven't been working on it too much. I've been busy with my summer field session. Designing and building a small scale race car tongue.gif

Unfortunately, I don't foresee much else happening before I leave to field training..


Where are you getting your stainless lines from?

Posted by: Malek Jul 17, 2013 - 12:46 PM

I ordered them from HRP World. Goodridge #21113

Edit: Turns out they do not fit

Posted by: bsamps4 Jul 17, 2013 - 2:02 PM

QUOTE (Malek @ Jul 17, 2013 - 1:46 PM) *
I ordered them from HRP World. Goodridge #21113


From a Supra???

Posted by: Malek Jul 17, 2013 - 7:22 PM

QUOTE (bsamps4 @ Jul 17, 2013 - 3:02 PM) *
QUOTE (Malek @ Jul 17, 2013 - 1:46 PM) *
I ordered them from HRP World. Goodridge #21113


From a Supra???


Indeed. Confirmed fitment from Tiga

Edit: Just kidding. See below

Posted by: Tigawoods Jul 17, 2013 - 7:31 PM

nope nope nope nope. glad I stopped in here.
They dont fit. I thought I posted it in my thread, maybe I didnt. I will have to post comparison images.
They dont fit.

I ordered the Stop Tech lines for the GT instead.
And I used the rear lines in the Front and the fronts in the rear. (the rear lines are a hair longer and could use the extra length for full lock)

The Stoptechs take a few weeks to get to you (and are twice the price) but I trust the build quality over Techna-fit and those other brands.

Honestly the BEST way to get the best possible fit lines would be to get custom made lines, but The stoptechs fit wonderfully the way I installed them.

Im pretty sure only Techna-Fit and Stoptech make them for the 6th gen.
Goodridge just skipped out gen with their lines. I remember seeing Earls lines from gt4-racing for the ST202, they would probably fit, but I didnt want to take the risk of ordering overseas

Posted by: Malek Jul 18, 2013 - 10:25 AM

Holy Smokes!

I'm glad you stopped in here as well!

There's a shop down here that specializes in brake lines so I'll just have a set custom made.

Posted by: bsamps4 Jul 18, 2013 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Malek @ Jul 18, 2013 - 11:25 AM) *
Holy Smokes!

I'm glad you stopped in here as well!

There's a shop down here that specializes in brake lines so I'll just have a set custom made.


Can you have a set made for me too? The shop here doesn't have the right anti-swivel fittings that the gt4 brakes require.

Posted by: Tigawoods Jul 18, 2013 - 11:18 AM

^
ah thats also a small detail

neither the stop techs nor the goodridges have the anti-swivel pin. But I havent had an issue with just torquing the bolts to their spec and leaving them as is

Posted by: playr158 Jul 18, 2013 - 1:37 PM

I want in on this brake line thing biggrin.gif

Posted by: CelicaB Jul 19, 2013 - 2:18 AM

Here is what I use since there is no one local to me. Pricy but they have cool options and proven reputation.


http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/build-your-own/?currency=USD

Posted by: Tigawoods Jul 19, 2013 - 6:24 AM

QUOTE (CelicaB @ Jul 19, 2013 - 3:18 AM) *
Here is what I use since there is no one local to me. Pricy but they have cool options and proven reputation.


http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/build-your-own/?currency=USD


Boom. Comes out to be around the same price as the StopTechs,

only option it doesnt have is the antiswivel pin (really only needed for the front btw)

Posted by: CelicaB Jul 19, 2013 - 6:14 PM

i'm sure you noticed, they have pre-made kits for the Celica, unfortunatly they don't list ones for the st205, does anyone know if the 94-99 gt lines would fit?

http://www.brake-lines.co.uk/automotive/toyota/celica/


Posted by: Malek Sep 10, 2013 - 9:08 PM

Figure I should update..I don't want you guys thinking it turned into another dead thread of AWD

Expect big updates in the near future. *hint*hint*
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/3E11E668-922B-498A-957B-8280EFC9613C-7723-000009110F99B22C_zps3db3e1f3.jpg.html

Posted by: Keiri Sep 11, 2013 - 7:40 AM

Dat fuel cell. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Malek Sep 20, 2013 - 6:12 PM

Time for some big updates.

So the deal fell through and I'll be selling my Celica..































Just kidding laugh.gif

Posted by: Malek Sep 20, 2013 - 6:44 PM

After quite some time asking around and talking to people about fabricating some rear end mounts, I finally came across someone who was 1) really enthusiastic about the project and 2) actually wanting to do it. Hank at Hanksville Hot Rods. There weren't really all that many hot rods there though..mostly porsches, bmws, an SC 2JZ swap and a twin engine VW they were finishing up..

Anyway, I presented him some pictures I had and some renderings of my ideas and we threw ideas back and forth and came up with something pretty cool. Instead of making a box that spans across the frame rails (front mounts of the rear subframe) we decided to make use of some tubing. The rear mounts we decided to keep the box idea and incorporate it into the frame rails.

I wanted the entire assembly to tuck under the rear of the car. They definitely made it happen. There is about half an inch of clearance between the diff and the body which puts the driveshafts right about parallel with the ground. They're finishing up the boxes on the frame rails now. I also used the GT4 rear trailing bars which brought my wheelbase closer about half an inch. I don't mind it for now. We'll see what happens down the road. Fun fact, the GT4 rear brakes are a lot bigger than the GT front brakes.

Wheel well was cut out, reinforced the area with bars and then 18ga sheet stitch welded and sealed. My fuel cell is going back there.


All this update and no photos?!?! Photobucket is down for site maintenance. Don't worry. I'll be adding them.


POSSIBILITY OF A READY TO WELD-IN KIT?!?!
These guys use an in-house mandrel bender. Cool thing is, it's electronic. This means the entire tube curvature is saved on file. Hank is working this weekend on pricing. And yes, we are talking about FULL kits including the rear sub frame mounts and the driveshaft mounts that come ready to weld on the body/frame of your Celica. I'll keep you updated.

Any questions? Ask away...

Posted by: CAcelica29 Sep 20, 2013 - 7:53 PM

as in a full mount kit for AWD conversions??!!! as long as the price isnt ungodly expensive id be interested down the line

Posted by: Malek Sep 20, 2013 - 8:02 PM

QUOTE (CAcelica29 @ Sep 20, 2013 - 7:53 PM) *
as in a full mount kit for AWD conversions??!!! as long as the price isnt ungodly expensive id be interested down the line


Yes!! I've been talking to quite a few guys that would be interested. The price should be fairly reasonable considering the most expensive part was the time to set it all up, measure, bend, measure, weld, measure, etc.

I'll definitely keep this updated.

Posted by: richee3 Sep 20, 2013 - 8:21 PM

I'd be interested, assuming I can get one of my Nissans paid off so I have some extra cash.

Posted by: Malek Sep 21, 2013 - 1:24 AM

Pictures as promised. Don't mind the insane amount of rust on my diff and subframe. Salt is a terrible thing

Starting from the front, driveshaft mounts.
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20130916_180055_zpsde3512d9.jpg.html

The replicated ones will probably look a lot sexier. Anyways, this is the passenger side front rear subframe mount.
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20130919_164642_zps99e0ffb8.jpg.html

Mandrel bend up and over the differential. A support bracket was welded at the top of the loop to the body (not shown in picture).
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20130919_164653_zps275f5af5.jpg.html

Driver side. Gives a good idea of how tube and plate are welded to the frame rails
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20130919_164711_zps6a85c69a.jpg.html

And then the wheel well delete.
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20130916_180145_zps6c6d154c.jpg.html

Posted by: playr158 Sep 21, 2013 - 7:21 AM

Looks great and if you're talking weld in awd kit. Count me in! Save me the time and a little bit of effort lol.

Posted by: Malek Sep 24, 2013 - 3:22 PM

Here are the box mounts for the rear. Welded to the frame rails.

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/C6AE09C2-80E8-4F1D-8829-08012AF2A2E4-4035-0000053AABB33D63_zps26e0f474.jpg.html

And the start to my fuel cell. Plans for this is to drop it about 4 inches into the body, support it from underneath (completely full, it'll weight about 100 pounds) and weld a cover over it so that is not open to the cabin.
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/B63A71A2-869B-4318-97A0-D367662781D7-4035-0000053AC4F04866_zpsc52e0f8a.jpg.html

The plan for the kit is to have all the pieces for the rear end as ready to weld. So the tubing, mounts and plates for the two front mounts of the subframe will come separated and the two rear boxes will come ready to weld to the rails. They do not want to try and replicate the drive shaft mounts due to them being so small and minor body differences.

Posted by: playr158 Sep 24, 2013 - 3:40 PM

Looks great.
Keep me informed on your work with the shop and the kit. Cause i'll be #1 in line.
let me know if I need to call them for support too

Posted by: qatar11 Sep 24, 2013 - 7:02 PM


Posted by: Malek Sep 26, 2013 - 10:50 AM

Why thank you kind sir ^^

Here's a small update before I leave for the weekend.

I made some supports for the fuel cell. I would have had them hook to the inside of the cross beams but the clearance was too tight with tank in. Ah well..Welded those in and dropped the tank in. The tank sits about 4 inches below the floor but still has plenty of ground clearance. Eventually I'll make some sort of skid plate for it though.

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/3C89F9FD-19D0-4237-9A2C-C175E2DC5AAF-5434-000007168FF4E607_zpseefd980c.jpg.html

This picture is at eye level with the bumper. You can't even see it unless you're standing around 20 feet away. And even then, it's not bad at all..may paint it all black just so it'll blend in a little better. Don't mind the nastiness rust.
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/824F7526-EFD5-4ECD-8B9F-8140374FF663-5434-000007170A4489F4_zpsbca52570.jpg.html

Small issues: The GT4 hand brake cables are too long for the GT body

I also managed to drain and refill the rear diff, fill the transmission, run fuel lines, and extend the wires for the fuel pump. No pictures. I got a little carried away with checking things off the list haha I will be gone this weekend so there won't be many updates for a few days.

Still waiting to hear back about the kit. Shouldn't be too long. I'll let everyone know when I do.

Posted by: qatar11 Sep 26, 2013 - 12:23 PM

Malek, what fuel cell are you running?

I'm thinking of getting a 12 / 15 gallon Fuel Safe Cell because its FIA-FT3 certified.


Posted by: Malek Sep 26, 2013 - 1:33 PM

Excellent choice ^^ I know a few guys who are running Fuel Safe cells in their gutted subarus. Great quality tanks

I got a killer deal for an RCI 17 gal tank (not FIA-FT3 certified). I will be foaming and protecting it before using it, though. I also liked that I could reuse the entire fuel pick up and float assembly with this tank. Not the safest by any means but neither is the stock one laugh.gif

Posted by: playr158 Sep 26, 2013 - 3:10 PM

Can you take a couple pics of the mounts for the rear crossmember/diff that are a little father away that what you have posted already?

Posted by: Malek Oct 1, 2013 - 9:17 PM

I'll try and get some decent ones. It's pretty tight up to the body so you might not be able to see much.


UPDATES:

-Managed to get the GT4 parking brake cables to work
-Swapped the rear GT4 brakes to GT so I can use use the stockers
-Bled the brakes
-Managed to wiggle the B-pipe between the body and subframe (holy pain and a half!!)
-Filled it up with gas and jumped it..what do you know, it started!

I think the GT brakes are seized though..wouldn't move frown.gif

Almost there..

Posted by: Fate Oct 2, 2013 - 12:48 AM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Sep 21, 2013 - 8:21 AM) *
Looks great and if you're talking weld in awd kit. Count me in! Save me the time and a little bit of effort lol.


^ as am i.

Posted by: celicaGT96 Oct 3, 2013 - 6:43 AM

i would definitely be interested in a kit! I'd be all over that

Posted by: JoshuaM Oct 3, 2013 - 9:08 AM


Excellent progress - this is what we all like to see! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Malek Oct 3, 2013 - 9:43 AM

Public Service Announcement!

You can not swap the rear GT4 brakes with GT brakes even though they bolt right on to the GT4 hubs. The parking brake drum is too tall on the GT disk. So when you put the wheel on and tighten the lug nuts, it tightens the disk to the hub locking it in place..

Anyways,
I re-switched the brakes, bled it a little, and drove it around! woot.gif
The interior is trashed, that is definitely an area of concern now..


Posted by: czwalga Oct 3, 2013 - 11:07 AM

I used the GT brakes and rotors on the GT4 hub. Required a 1/8 spacer behind the rotor. Kinda like a wheel spacer, but rotor spacer. I do remember having some issue, but if you swap the drum parts over I think thats what fixed the problem.



Also, if you guys use a fuel cell and do any track driving you're going to be hurting without a surge tank. 1/2 tank or less you will start to get fuel starvation. Just something to think about. Unless your planning on tracking them I wouldnt worry. The foam really does nothing except prevent some sloshing.

Posted by: bsamps4 Oct 3, 2013 - 1:46 PM

Why aren't you using the gt4 brakes?

Posted by: czwalga Oct 3, 2013 - 8:31 PM

QUOTE (bsamps4 @ Oct 3, 2013 - 2:46 PM) *
Why aren't you using the gt4 brakes?



Not worth the money, for a slight upgrade. No standard rotor, if you need parts in a pinch, which I have.

Posted by: Malek Oct 14, 2013 - 9:20 PM

I will be using them..eventually. When it comes time to tackle that project..
btw..the stock gt rear lines are long enough on the rear gt4 brakes..just throwin that out there.

I mocked up and welded an exhaust this past weekend. Added resonator and flow through muffler. Doesn't sound terrible but I'll need to clean up my welds with a decent welder at some point. I used a 2 setting mig with flux core tongue.gif I'll get a video up here sometime too haha

Still haven't heard back from Hank but I'm going to shoot him an email this week to see what's up.

Posted by: Smaay Oct 14, 2013 - 9:51 PM

awesome build man, keep up the good work

Posted by: Malek Nov 5, 2013 - 7:58 PM

The possibility for a kit isn't looking good, unfortunately. I'll still try and push for it but I don't think it will be happening relatively soon.

Anyway, I am re-doing my gas tank set up. The RCi started leaking and I was never truly happy with how it ended up.

Coming in the brown truck is a 15 gallon Fuel Safe cell, Walbro gsl-392, and a surge tank.

I'm aiming for a much cleaner and robust set up this time.

*lacking in the picture department*

Posted by: playr158 Nov 6, 2013 - 9:55 AM

BOOOOOOOOOO...oh well.

Posted by: shai Nov 19, 2013 - 8:11 PM

What's the update?

Posted by: Malek Nov 28, 2013 - 12:16 AM

Oh man! Not much haha School has been getting the best of me.

So far, I rebuilt the tank supports, set the fuelsafe tank in, ran the inline walbro. I'm waiting on an ATL wiring bulkhead to run my intank pump.
and I installed 7th gen seats..

Hasn't seen much motion lately kindasad.gif

Posted by: shai Dec 3, 2013 - 10:54 PM

keep up the post it's hard enough to look for an shell to not to mention an rear subframe

Posted by: Malek Dec 13, 2013 - 6:29 PM

So I installed my intank pump and ran wires to it..Tried jumping it and wouldn't start. I made sure both pumps had current and were priming, check. Fuel pressure in the hose, check.

So I unscrewed the return line and set it in an empty gas can, jumped B+ and FP, turned the key, fuel pumps running (got strained quickly) aaaand no fuel going into the gas can.
Something is clogged.
This is mildly annoying...

edit:
It's my fuel filter..unless for some reason the line between the filter and pump is clogged.
I'm gonna go with fuel filter..

Posted by: saleenvic Dec 25, 2013 - 10:07 PM

Thanks for detailing your progress, i'm also planning on a turbo/awd swap. Quick question, being that the gt4 control arms cause the front wheels to be half an inch forward is there a way to correct this? Thanks

Posted by: playr158 Jan 21, 2014 - 3:07 PM

Malek,

do you know what diameter DOM tubing they used for your subframe?

Posted by: Malek Jan 22, 2014 - 12:16 AM

QUOTE (saleenvic @ Dec 25, 2013 - 10:07 PM) *
Thanks for detailing your progress, i'm also planning on a turbo/awd swap. Quick question, being that the gt4 control arms cause the front wheels to be half an inch forward is there a way to correct this? Thanks


The rear wheels are moved half an inch forward. What you could do *possibly* is use the gt control arms but you would have to weld the subframe mounts further back. It doesn't really bother me right now but I know if I want bigger wheels, it will become an issue of the tires rubbing the sideskirts/body.


QUOTE (playr158 @ Jan 21, 2014 - 3:07 PM) *
Malek,

do you know what diameter DOM tubing they used for your subframe?


Yisss..
The size is 1.625x.120 for the hoop and the actual mount is 1.625x.125



Somewhat of a small update:
My intank pump crapped out on me so I'm running the walbro inline only now. For some reason though, it is exponentially quieter now that it isn't being fed. And yeah, I'm drivin her 'round now. I'll get some pictures and videos once I clean it up a little bit haha

Posted by: alakai Feb 6, 2014 - 2:50 AM

Any updates on the weld in kit? Or is it possible we can pay to order since all of the files are saved?

Posted by: Malek May 6, 2014 - 9:34 PM

Oh boy..haven't updated this in a while..then again, there really isn't much. It's just been sittin around. I can't *legally* drive it on the streets so I haven't had too much motivation.

Anyway, here's what is new. Welded in a metal floor for the trunk. Setting the tank under was a hassle and I don't think I would have ever liked it. So yeah, just to strap down that tank and run the lines. May be switching to hard lines. Idk yet.

As far as the weld in kits..Hopefully I can get some more information. They've been super busy lately now that all the car shows are coming back for the season.

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/F3FDA194-AC3B-495C-8B82-6175E0A81348-8692-00000B2E72C1E19D_zpsc724b679.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/540A7B85-3078-44DE-90D9-202DBC540D0D-8692-00000B2E7A87E301_zps9b3d1795.jpg.html

Wait..how'd this get in here..?
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/MR2/4C30C329-FF53-45C2-9629-2B0C9326C8C8-8692-00000B2F17DA3C37_zpse9214409.jpg.html

Posted by: Malek Oct 14, 2014 - 10:03 PM

This is what I got haha don't mind the dirt. It's all been cleaned up since this picture.

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/IMG_5034_zps78320e17.jpg.html

Coming Up:
-Fuel hose to stock fender filler
-WRX rotors (because the ST205 ones rub the lower joint on corners)
-Supra Pads
-New Kumho Ecsta tires...because Colorado

As far as driving it, I've put about 1100 miles. Launched twice, beautiful feeling. Really front end heavy in the canyons but I'm hoping next Spring's suspension work will help. Looking at BCs if anyone was curious.

I'm really considering a side exit exhaust simply because I have no room to pipe over the rear subframe. For now, I ghetto welded an exhaust that runs under all of it and it just looks out of place and terrible. Maybe fill that huge open space with a diffuser..hmm..

Posted by: luka Oct 15, 2014 - 1:46 PM

sexy.

so when you mounted up the rear end, you just used the forward arms to align and mounted up the drive shaft and measured the distance?

after a long break, I'm now a welder/machinist so I'd be interested in building them weld-in-kits.

cnc all the things.

Posted by: Malek Oct 15, 2014 - 8:35 PM

Yep! The forward arms are about 1/2in shorter than the GTs so the rear wheels are moved up a bit.

I measured it all out to mock something up in Solidworks. I then took it down to Hanksville Hotrods and talked to Hank (welder/fabricator/awesomedude). We came up with we got on page 5.


Posted by: luka Oct 15, 2014 - 9:13 PM

yup, I liked what I saw. No measurements eh?

it's no problem.

I wonder if using the GT forward arms would be worth anything? the driveshaft would need to be extended the difference too.

would you know if the GT rear shocks work with the AWD spindle?

From reading pretty deep into other builds/discussions, I'd be right in assuming I could use the GT spindle/knuckle and get a highlander hub(since i'm converting to 5x114)...I already have rav4 rear hubs waiting to go on.

i've only seen featureCam but haven't really used it much yet...I still use manual machines(mill/lathe) with a DRO, though playing on a Omax waterjet is hella fun.

Posted by: Malek Oct 18, 2014 - 7:25 PM

I miiight still have the SolidWorks files. I did it on the campus computers and took screenshot pictures to show Hank. My university is really touchy about personal inventions drawn up or created on campus because technically it belongs to them...anyways..I'll see if I can't dig them up. They weren't exact, just something to give Hank an idea of what I was thinking.

As for using the GT forward arms, I forgot to bring them with me so we couldn't see if there were any other fitment issues other than the length of the drive shaft. In fact, I'm pretty sure the drive shaft has enough wiggle room to be pulled back 1/2in and still be fine. One thing with shorter wheel base is you can't run tall tires or it'll hit the front of the rear arch. Anyway, machining a spacer would be a lot easier than making an extended drive shaft. Just a thought haha

The GT rear shocks do not work with the AWD spindle. IIRC, the GT shock where it mounts to the spindle is thinner than its GT4 counterpart. I'm using the GT4 rear suspension because of that fitment issue. That brings up another issue, if you don't do the front SuperStrut conversion and want coilovers in the future, you'll have to order GT front coilovers and GT4 rear coilovers. I'll be doing that in the Spring; I'm riding super high now haha

I'm not quite the machinist but i can design/draw up parts for days haha and yes, I do take into consideration the machine shop that has to make the parts..I'm sure you've seen terribly designed parts already.


Oh and some updates!

Some brand new rubber:
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141018_135404_zpshyhssewx.jpg.html

Old 3 post hatch
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141018_140615_zpsqgmqy7lx.jpg.html

new 2 post hatch...for GT4 reasons..
http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141018_180820_zpscvs9rmtg.jpg.html

Posted by: JFXtreme007 Oct 18, 2014 - 8:14 PM

I just did the same conversion myself smile.gif In my opinion it does look better! and there are so many spoiler options! I chose the Euros smile.gif Looking great though man!

Posted by: luka Oct 18, 2014 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (Malek @ Oct 18, 2014 - 8:25 PM) *
I miiight still have the SolidWorks files. I did it on the campus computers and took screenshot pictures to show Hank. My university is really touchy about personal inventions drawn up or created on campus because technically it belongs to them...anyways..I'll see if I can't dig them up. They weren't exact, just something to give Hank an idea of what I was thinking.

As for using the GT forward arms, I forgot to bring them with me so we couldn't see if there were any other fitment issues other than the length of the drive shaft. In fact, I'm pretty sure the drive shaft has enough wiggle room to be pulled back 1/2in and still be fine. One thing with shorter wheel base is you can't run tall tires or it'll hit the front of the rear arch. Anyway, machining a spacer would be a lot easier than making an extended drive shaft. Just a thought haha

The GT rear shocks do not work with the AWD spindle. IIRC, the GT shock where it mounts to the spindle is thinner than its GT4 counterpart. I'm using the GT4 rear suspension because of that fitment issue. That brings up another issue, if you don't do the front SuperStrut conversion and want coilovers in the future, you'll have to order GT front coilovers and GT4 rear coilovers. I'll be doing that in the Spring; I'm riding super high now haha

I'm not quite the machinist but i can design/draw up parts for days haha and yes, I do take into consideration the machine shop that has to make the parts..I'm sure you've seen terribly designed parts already.


Oh and some updates!

Some brand new rubber:

Old 3 post hatch

new 2 post hatch...for GT4 reasons..


sucks about your campus rules about creative rights, only way to get better is to explore...that'd be sexy if you still have a starting point. I managed to get the install disc of the waterjet software so I can design stuff at home...also got a copy of featureCam installed, but it won't let me save any files without the $400 usb that comes with the machine = stupid frown.gif

www.sketchup.com is awesome but a little tricky to use starting off.

I may go with the GT forward arms, I can machine a spacer for the rear diff no problem vs having the driveshaft extended 1/2"...I'm thinking it would cost over $200 as the shop would probably opt to cut a whole new tube instead of trying to weld on an extension.

I think the only other issues to consider with the forward arms is the rear cradle mount locations. while 1/2" is minor, it could still get in the way of something.

I have the AWD system that I ordered years ago from Jim, but all of it needs some serious cleaning and refreshing. my cv's are torn...so i'd have to rebuild or find a seller

ironically, my order came with front superstrut bilstein coilovers(no idea if they are still good) but no rear struts/springs.

beyond the shocks, if the GT and GT4 rear spindles are the same, i'll try and use my GT's for ease of parts.


you should see some of the drawings I make sometimes, just some basic shapes and numbers, no one but me would understand it, until they see the finished piece hehe


damn I missed this forum!

Posted by: playr158 Oct 22, 2014 - 2:33 PM

QUOTE (luka @ Oct 19, 2014 - 12:31 AM) *
ironically, my order came with front superstrut bilstein coilovers(no idea if they are still good) but no rear struts/springs.
beyond the shocks, if the GT and GT4 rear spindles are the same, i'll try and use my GT's for ease of parts.
you should see some of the drawings I make sometimes, just some basic shapes and numbers, no one but me would understand it, until they see the finished piece hehe
damn I missed this forum!



OK GT and GT4 spindles/knuckles (front or rear) are NOT teh same, given one has a hole for the axles and different mount points.
Think about it for a second....GT = FWD which means the rear spindle is solid http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/ebrock63/2011-12-24_191727_2011-12-25_122008.png

GT4 rear spindle is for AWD which means there is a hole in the middle for the axle. http://www.gtfours.co.uk/pics/suspension/205/006.jpg

To do AWD you need GT4 rear end parts the lot around.

Here is a picture of a USDM mcpherson REAR strut on a GT4 rear knuckle..Plug the hole and redrill it should be good.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e376/aznrobber/2010-09-23_12-06-11_968.jpg

Posted by: luka Oct 22, 2014 - 5:03 PM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Oct 22, 2014 - 3:33 PM) *
OK GT and GT4 spindles/knuckles (front or rear) are NOT teh same, given one has a hole for the axles and different mount points.
Think about it for a second....GT = FWD which means the rear spindle is solid http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/ebrock63/2011-12-24_191727_2011-12-25_122008.png

GT4 rear spindle is for AWD which means there is a hole in the middle for the axle. http://www.gtfours.co.uk/pics/suspension/205/006.jpg

To do AWD you need GT4 rear end parts the lot around.

Here is a picture of a USDM mcpherson REAR strut on a GT4 rear knuckle..Plug the hole and redrill it should be good.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e376/aznrobber/2010-09-23_12-06-11_968.jpg


Hmm, I was under the assumption that the rear bearing hub assembly is either solid for FWD applications or with the spline cutout...making the spindle usable as long as a matching hub to accept the rear axle, like a highlander(for 5x114) rear hub?

Since the rear bearing hubs are bolted on, making it somewhat easier to work on vs needing a press or bearing tools for the fronts.

I got the idea from my truck, the front bearing hub is bolted in just like the Celica rears are, however 2wd have a solid center and 4wd have a spline cutout to accept the 4wd axles.

I'll try and break down my GT4 rear hubs today and see.

Posted by: playr158 Oct 23, 2014 - 9:45 AM

The GT4 rear doesn't have a bolt on rear bearing/spindle/hub assembly.
You have the knuckle and then the bearing inside the knuckle and then the hub (basically the same as the FRONT of a USDM celica)

So the USDM rear looks like this (which yes you can remove the celica hub and press in a Highlander hub, but you cannot go AWD with anything from the rear of USDM car, with the exception of possibly the coilover)
http://www.partsgeek.com/assets/rep/full/1041668.jpg

or maybe i'm just not understanding what you are saying correctly ha



Posted by: luka Oct 23, 2014 - 11:38 AM

ahh, that clears it up perfectly!

so my main query would be about the cost of using the GT4 rear suspension

If the following works, it could save a bit money needing to import some coilovers.

GT spindle with highlander bolt in hub & possibly need to convert/mod the rear CV

or

GT4 spindle and press in a camry? front hub & and possible CV work.

most of the conversions I've seen have used all of the GT4 parts, so I'm not sure if finding a way to use the GT hardware was done.


Posted by: Malek Oct 26, 2014 - 7:29 PM

I have no idea about the cross compatibility with hubs and 5x114 conversion nonsensical things..

So here's some pictures lol New tires mounted 215/50/17 Ecsta PA31. Side skirts removed. #rallyheight until the spring.

Made an offer on some spoiler risers.

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141026_173346_zpsogpdtqdw.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141026_173223_zps66rihte1.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141026_173626_zpsyizx2wmw.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141026_173711_zpsrlwcdxta.jpg.html

And some interior shots..because it's somewhat clean..I really hate those beige cards..

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141026_175626_zpsbpv6rncd.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141026_175537_zps2hxu2yjp.jpg.html

Posted by: enderswift Oct 27, 2014 - 1:43 PM

Great looking car. good work

Posted by: Malek Nov 28, 2014 - 8:46 PM

Last year, I bought an ST205 HKS Silent Hi Power exhaust thinking it'd fit. It didn't (duh laugh.gif rolleyes.gif)

Figured I could just hold on to it and sell it when gt4s become legal imports or modify it to fit my car..ended up cutting it up to fit mine. Had to still go under the subframe since there is literally no room for a 3in pipe (even 2.5in would be tight!).

Vibrant resonator and HKS muffler SS 3in . Super Quiet now! thumbsup.gif

I took this video with my S5..it didn't pick up the sound too well but it's something. I'll have to get a driving video up soon. (embed Photobucket vids?)
http://vid840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/malek6GC/DARKSPYRO/20141128_133110_zps3tqkcymy.mp4

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141127_130204_zpskydiw1bd.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141127_130156_zpsadl89ux9.jpg.html

http://s840.photobucket.com/user/malek6GC/media/DARKSPYRO/20141127_130048_zpswv8a0dcv.jpg.html



Posted by: mkernz22 Nov 29, 2014 - 12:28 AM

Why are the rear wheels so off-centered? They look like they're set too far forward..

Posted by: Malek Nov 29, 2014 - 12:49 AM

QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Nov 29, 2014 - 12:28 AM) *
Why are the rear wheels so off-centered? They look like they're set too far forward..


It's because they are. The ST205 forward arms are about a half an inch shorter than the GT.

Posted by: mkernz22 Nov 29, 2014 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Malek @ Nov 29, 2014 - 12:49 AM) *
QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Nov 29, 2014 - 12:28 AM) *
Why are the rear wheels so off-centered? They look like they're set too far forward..


It's because they are. The ST205 forward arms are about a half an inch shorter than the GT.


ohh, learned something new today haha

Posted by: Malek Jul 15, 2015 - 1:15 PM

After much debate, I've decided it has come time to sell..

I'll be writing a proper FS ad here soon but wanted to throw it out there.

Posted by: 4-eyed-freek Jul 15, 2015 - 1:32 PM

BUT..BUT..BUT.. frown.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 16, 2015 - 7:53 AM

Lol. It is always the same

Posted by: Malek Jul 16, 2015 - 10:18 AM

Unfortunately, yes..it is haha

As a military member, I don't exactly have a choice of duty stations. Where I'm going next, it just doesn't make sense to keep it. I won't be able to drive it and I don't want to store it for the next, potentially, 4 years.

Gotta do whatya gotta do. Loved building it though haha

And as always..I am sure to be back laugh.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 18, 2018 - 12:41 PM

bump

Posted by: Malek Jan 28, 2018 - 3:44 PM

I guess I never did close the loop here lol

A high HP MR2 guy ended up buying it. If anyone is around Canon City, CO they might have seen it rolling around. I haven't heard from him the day he drove it away though.

I still have the GT-Four though!

Posted by: richee3 Jan 28, 2018 - 5:24 PM

Now I need to make a day trip down to Caņon City.

Posted by: slavie Jan 29, 2018 - 9:52 AM

Thanks for the update. Reading through the thread revived my aspirations for an AWD conversion, so I'll bombard you with a bunch of questions if you will smile.gif

On the GT4 vs GT rear wheel placement: did you end up moving just the wheels 1/2" forward due to reuse of GT arms, or was the diff moved forward as well? Could you have proper placement if you used GT4 control arms, or is there a bigger issue at play? I thought that that chassis were the same dimensions only having different floor plan.
On the GT4 rear mounting SolidWorks files or bending CAM profile - are any of these still around the 6GC community, or have they all been lost?

Also, why didn't you use the SS front suspension?

Finally, if you don't mind me asking, how much did your current actual GT4 set you back? Just trying to get an idea. (feel free to PM me about this one if you'd prefer).

Thanks!

Posted by: Malek Feb 6, 2018 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (richee3 @ Jan 28, 2018 - 5:24 PM) *
Now I need to make a day trip down to Caņon City.


I'm trying to get back to Denver or the Springs for my next assignment. I miss Colorado a lot.

QUOTE (slavie @ Jan 29, 2018 - 9:52 AM) *
Thanks for the update. Reading through the thread revived my aspirations for an AWD conversion, so I'll bombard you with a bunch of questions if you will smile.gif

On the GT4 vs GT rear wheel placement: did you end up moving just the wheels 1/2" forward due to reuse of GT arms, or was the diff moved forward as well? Could you have proper placement if you used GT4 control arms, or is there a bigger issue at play? I thought that that chassis were the same dimensions only having different floor plan.
On the GT4 rear mounting SolidWorks files or bending CAM profile - are any of these still around the 6GC community, or have they all been lost?

Also, why didn't you use the SS front suspension?

Finally, if you don't mind me asking, how much did your current actual GT4 set you back? Just trying to get an idea. (feel free to PM me about this one if you'd prefer).

Thanks!


Hey brother, glad it sparked some mechanical drive for ya!

As for the rear wheel placement, I used the GT4 arms. The GT4 arms are the ones that are 1/2" shorter so it pulls the wheels (and entire subframe/diff assembly) more forward. The front 2/3rds or so are the same but the rear is fairly different. Frame rails, floor pan, wheel well location on the body (i think...it's been a few years lol). This thread goes into some details on page 3 and 4. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=85985 Had to do with better subframe mounting locations and driveshaft lengths.

I know for sure I no longer have my SolidWorks files frown.gif They honestly probably wouldn't have helped anyways. The measurements were rough and i never measured the real mounts to correct them. Hanksville might still have the CAM profile..? Like I said, it's been a few years...which makes me sad because it means I'm getting older and I'd really like to stop doing that.....anyways!

No SS front suspension because adds too much complexity. I'm crazy...but not a psychopath lol In fact, my biggest gripe with my ST205 is that suspension. I've gone back and forth ripping it all out to put McP style coilovers and reminding myself I need to keep it OG. But seriously, I don't like that suspension.

Cost of my real one...well, it cost the sale price of this converted Celica plus the price of a non-running 01 Ducati 748 wink.gif Honestly, being so close to 25 years, I think it'd be worth it to hold out on the conversion and spring for a real one. But then again, you won't have the pleasure of driving around in a LHD GT4 lol

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