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Hey guys,
I figured I'd do a write up while I was doing my swap. Later on we can edit everything and have a nice FAQ & how-to for the 3sgte swap.

Ok, I dont know everything about cars. I took on this project to learn and further enjoy the car I love. There will be times where I dont know what a part is or how to explain it, but with everyone's help we'll get through it.

If you guys have anything to add, please feel free to reply. Please do not flame me or post negative remarks about the parts I install, or anything thats involved in this thread. Post your opinions not your attitudes.

First Step: The thought. Should I do it. Well its up to you, use this as a guide to help you along the way.
Its recommended that you have somewhere around 4000 dollars saved for the swap.

Before you ask: Engine or Clip. rolleyes.gif Get the clip, it will have all the parts you need for the swap. (for the most part). If you purchase only an engine you would have to hunt down so many hard to find parts it would be rediculous.

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If you just bought engine, ecu, tranny, wiring harness.

You would be missing: 3rd ECU plug, AFM, ignitor, coil, injector resistor pack, fuel pump resistor, fuel pump relay, turbo pressure sensor, air intake piping, and probably some other stuff.

If you got a clip, you would be missing nothing. Plus, you could sell off a LOT of stuff, and pay for a good portion of your swap.

A swap can take a weekend or many months. It all depends on what you are doing.

It is probably a good idea to replace some old parts while you are at it! All gaskets, water pump, oil pump, belts, hose from hell, clutch, head gasket, distributor cap and rotor, plugs, plug wires, fuel filter, air filter, etc....depends on what you want out of the car. If you want to modify it, add some more.



Second Step
: What model do you have ST(like me) or a GT.
IF you have a GT its a little easier for you guys. The 5sfe Tranny bolts right up to the 3sgte engine. Most people will bash the 5s tranny saying it wont hold the power. We have a few guys running the 5s tranny with no problems.
Other options: E-153 MR2 turbo tranny with LSD
1mzfe tranny found on Solaras, Camrys, and ES300s
3sge tranny found on a number of Toyotas

NOTE: The MR2 turbo tranny, and 1MZFE need the ST205 rear mount and bracket. Do not drive around with three mounts. DO NOT have one custom made for you, ORDER the ST205 rear transmission bracket

GT guys unless you dont want to use the 5sfe tranny, move on you dont need this section.

ST guys. You need a new tranny. You most likely know that you need new mounts. I have purchased all four GT mounts. Get them all you need everything. Its better to be safe than sorry.
You cannot use the Alltrac tranny. You cannot use your ST tranny. You would need a GT tranny or one of the trannys listed above.

ST mounts
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GT mounts

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See the mounts are totally different.




You also need to get a tranny, look above for recomendations. I'm using a JDM 3SGE Tranny. I'll have pics and more detail later on.
you need axles that match the tranny.
Shifter cables yep you need them.
Here is how they break down:
E-153 mr2 turbo tranny = ST205 cables only
GT tranny = GT shifter cables
1mzfe (also known as the E153) Solara, Camry Tranny = ST205 Cables only
3SGE Tranny = GT Cables
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I have some pictures of cables and the differences
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GT & GT4 side by side
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GT left, GT4 right
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GT top, GT4 bottom

See totally different

Ok Cables, mounts, axles I think we can join the GT guys again.

GT & ST: Clutch. Depending on which tranny you use it will effect which clutch parts you buy.
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Lagos wrote:
Clutch:
if using the gt tranny with the 3sgte motor, you will need:
5sfe disk (or a custom made 3sgte disk, with the splines for the 5sfe tranny)
5sfe throwout bearing
5sfe alignment tool
3sgte pressure plate
3sgte flywheel (or just get your stock one resurfaced)

if you are going to use an mr2 turbo tranny, then all you need to do is buy a clutch kit for a 90-93 turbo mr2.

be carefull when buying clutch disks for the 5sfe tranny. a stage 1 disk for the 5sfe is not the same thing as a stage 1 disk for the 3sgte. so if you get something like a stock oem clutch or a ACT street disk, it probably will not hold the power you need to put down.
if you call up a company like Spec or Clutchmasters and tell them about your project, they can make you a custom disk that can hold the power you will make and have the correct spline count that you need.


You all will need a new fuel pump. I am using a walbro supra turbo pump. Most people will say that it whines when operating. People have even dubbed it "WhineBro". Another option is to purchase a OEM Supra turbo pump from toyota. It is silent, and still delivers the fuel the 3sgte needs.

I'm not going to cover after market intercoolers. You can do the swap with the stock set up. The stock Air to Air cooler is not recommened, most people prefer to get an aftermarket. The stock intercooler sits on top of the 3sgte, with leads to heat soak at an idle. Most people Use an front mount intercooler. You can search for it in the forums.
My 3SGTE is the RC version with a water cooled top mount intercooler. I have no need to get a FMIC (front mount intercooler)


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I will return one day.

Posts in this topic
- defgeph   The 3SGTE Swap   Sep 12, 2005 - 8:29 AM
- - defgeph   My Setup 97 celica ST 5spd 179,xxx ST185 3SGTE RC ...   Sep 12, 2005 - 8:31 AM
- - defgeph   So I guess its time for an update......... The 3s...   Sep 12, 2005 - 8:31 AM
- - defgeph   Inside the two red circles is where you need to dr...   Sep 12, 2005 - 8:32 AM
- - Akimbo   sexy...you make it sound so easy too. What happene...   Sep 12, 2005 - 9:05 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(Akimbo @ Sep 12, 2005 - 9:05 AM)sexy......   Sep 12, 2005 - 9:08 AM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   Jeff   Sep 12, 2005 - 9:07 AM
- - Batman722   great post guy.   Sep 12, 2005 - 10:27 AM
- - Yota   Is the cross member from your ST? Or was that fro...   Sep 12, 2005 - 3:23 PM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(Yota @ Sep 12, 2005 - 3:23 PM)Is the cr...   Sep 12, 2005 - 6:35 PM
- - Yota   whoops...i read it wrong. Sorry...   Sep 12, 2005 - 11:17 PM
- - steve0178   so you finished it all up huh? sweet thanks for t...   Sep 13, 2005 - 11:55 PM
- - st202gt   where did u get the clips from and how much?   Sep 15, 2005 - 6:20 PM
- - MonsterBOX   how long did it take u start to finish in total ho...   Sep 18, 2005 - 1:57 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Sep 18, 2005 - 1:57 AM)how...   Sep 18, 2005 - 9:20 AM
- - brianforster   you make it sound so easy   Feb 11, 2006 - 1:16 PM
- - brianforster   so wait, did you run a 13.9 with tmic?   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:03 PM
- - defgeph   Yes I did. On 205/40/R17 Falken Zeix 512's   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:07 PM
- - brianforster   wow nice... intercoolers do not increase hp but ju...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:10 PM
- - defgeph   1. Yeah the GT lines will work. I believe you can ...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:29 PM
- - brianforster   oh really, do you think it woudl be cheaper to run...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:32 PM
- - defgeph   I'm not sure if it will be cheaper, but its de...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:35 PM
- - brianforster   thats interesting.. so i dont have to keep picking...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:37 PM
- - defgeph   Dont worry about the questions, I'm here to he...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:40 PM
- - brianforster   cool, perhaps ill have to look into that, except i...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:41 PM
- - defgeph   ST185RC IC setup ST205 IC setup This should h...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:47 PM
- - brianforster   thanks man you are awesome! now i just gotta l...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:50 PM
- - defgeph   The 205 picture is easier to understand to the le...   Feb 22, 2006 - 11:53 PM
- - WannabeGT4   Since this thread is active again I've got a c...   Feb 23, 2006 - 9:30 AM
- - defgeph   1. 3s fuel line to the GT filter 2. I used the 3sg...   Feb 23, 2006 - 9:58 AM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(defgeph @ Feb 23, 2006 - 8:58 ...   Feb 23, 2006 - 12:01 PM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Feb 23, 2006 - 12...   Feb 24, 2006 - 12:46 AM
- - defgeph   The 5sfe stuff will probably work. I like to use t...   Feb 23, 2006 - 12:04 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(defgeph @ Feb 23, 2006 - 11:04...   Feb 23, 2006 - 1:09 PM
- - playr158   i'm just wondering do we have the 96+ ST wiri...   Feb 23, 2006 - 11:02 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 23, 2006 - 10:0...   Feb 27, 2006 - 11:27 AM
- - defgeph   A few new things going on with my engine. I ordere...   Mar 7, 2006 - 10:38 AM
- - playr158   very nice jeff!   Mar 7, 2006 - 12:15 PM
- - presure2   good stuff jeff. good to see that the injectors we...   Mar 7, 2006 - 1:09 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   awesome. im gunna have to check that place out. al...   Mar 7, 2006 - 1:47 PM
- - defgeph   The turn around was super fast. I sent these out 2...   Mar 8, 2006 - 2:46 AM
- - defgeph   More goodies for the Beast ATS fuel rail Stock l...   Mar 17, 2006 - 2:20 AM
- - Cavanagh   Wow your a beast and i give you props...I have a 9...   Mar 21, 2006 - 10:42 PM
- - playr158   swappage is a rating of like 7 or 8 outta 10 imo o...   Mar 21, 2006 - 10:58 PM
- - brianforster   id say the swap used to be hard because of the wir...   Mar 21, 2006 - 11:05 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   oh jeeze. what goes along with more fuel? more boo...   Mar 21, 2006 - 11:15 PM
- - speedy   hey defgeph where did u get those pictures for the...   Mar 23, 2006 - 4:01 PM
- - celicast3sgte   Off topic but i live like... 10 min from bothell-e...   Mar 23, 2006 - 7:28 PM
- - defgeph   QUOTE(speedy @ Mar 23, 2006 - 4:01 P...   Mar 24, 2006 - 1:42 AM
- - bigal004321   Is that a pretty good idea to do, have the injecto...   Mar 24, 2006 - 2:01 AM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   If you're like most swappers and get an engine...   Mar 24, 2006 - 2:01 PM
- - bigal004321   True that..ill have to remember that! bigal   Mar 24, 2006 - 2:36 PM
- - speedy   as far as the diagrams i was just wondering seeing...   Mar 25, 2006 - 9:30 PM
- - Emperor-Viper   What was the grand total this swap cost you to com...   Jun 22, 2006 - 8:48 PM
- - defgeph   Because my car was originally an ST, it was a litt...   Jun 22, 2006 - 11:44 PM
- - Emperor-Viper   well then i appreciate the response good to know i...   Jun 23, 2006 - 1:23 AM
- - C3L1CA   Is it just my crappy computer or do some of the pi...   Jun 29, 2006 - 10:22 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(C3L1CA @ Jun 29, 2006 - 11:22 ...   Jun 29, 2006 - 10:29 AM
- - C3L1CA   QUOTE(defgeph @ Jun 29, 2006 - 10:29...   Jun 29, 2006 - 10:35 AM
- - CelicaGT04   Def, you are very knowlegeable about the 3sgte ST1...   Jul 9, 2006 - 4:42 PM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(CelicaGT04 @ Jul 9, 2006 - 4:4...   Jul 9, 2006 - 7:11 PM
- - CelicaGT04   Awesome, thanks for the quick reply! I will tr...   Jul 9, 2006 - 7:57 PM
- - the4banger   this is a great thread how can you put the all tra...   Jul 25, 2006 - 9:33 AM
- - Kadett   Unless you convert it to FWD. Can be done but you ...   Jul 25, 2006 - 9:55 AM
- - funnys_tears   i NEED to know 2nd genration of 3sge tranny, i did...   Oct 31, 2006 - 7:17 AM
- - hashmaster52   so the 3sge tranny bolts right up just like the 5s...   Feb 22, 2007 - 1:02 AM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(hashmaster52 @ Feb 22, 2007 - 1...   Feb 22, 2007 - 12:51 PM
|- - hashmaster52   QUOTE(defgeph @ Feb 22, 2007 - 12:51...   Feb 22, 2007 - 1:48 PM
|- - hashmaster52   QUOTE(defgeph @ Feb 22, 2007 - 12:51...   Feb 22, 2007 - 9:39 PM
- - cjh4l22   awesome dude awesome thread!! really glad ...   Feb 22, 2007 - 6:43 AM
- - quicknstyle   its in the stickies homie   Feb 22, 2007 - 11:56 AM
- - quicknstyle   as far as most people can tell the 3sge and gt tra...   Feb 23, 2007 - 1:01 PM
|- - phattyduck   QUOTE(quicknstyle @ Feb 23, 2007 - 10...   Feb 23, 2007 - 5:57 PM
|- - celicaST   QUOTE(phattyduck @ Feb 23, 2007 - 3...   Feb 23, 2007 - 10:16 PM
|- - hashmaster52   QUOTE(celicaST @ Feb 23, 2007 - 10:1...   Feb 24, 2007 - 11:44 AM
- - 97rocket   so i need a little of help selling my 97 st but im...   Feb 26, 2007 - 5:08 PM
- - 95CelicaST   You would need to rewire a harness, fab some GT en...   Feb 26, 2007 - 6:31 PM
- - 97rocket   so its pretty useless to try and put a 3sge in it?   Feb 27, 2007 - 3:45 PM
- - 95CelicaST   its not "useless", it just isn't cos...   Feb 27, 2007 - 5:36 PM
- - Bradley   amazing post... i think because of this im going t...   Oct 27, 2007 - 8:42 PM
|- - Defgeph   QUOTE(Bradley @ Oct 27, 2007 - 8:42 ...   Oct 29, 2007 - 8:51 PM
- - JRB8   ive been trying to get up with jarcoinc to get a c...   Oct 30, 2007 - 8:05 AM
- - Lil-Joe101   Can a 3sfe tranny bolt up to a 3sgt? I know the 5s...   Dec 31, 2008 - 5:36 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Lil-Joe101 @ Dec 31, 2008 - ...   Dec 31, 2008 - 5:45 AM
- - Lil-Joe101   Thanx for the clarification pressure, Looks like I...   Dec 31, 2008 - 6:09 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Lil-Joe101 @ Dec 31, 2008 - ...   Dec 31, 2008 - 6:19 AM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (presure2 @ Dec 31, 2008 - 5:1...   Dec 31, 2008 - 9:59 AM
|- - Defgeph   QUOTE (DEATH @ Dec 31, 2008 - 9:59 A...   Dec 31, 2008 - 5:44 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   Yeah, or go for the 4th gen. They're the same ...   Jan 1, 2009 - 12:25 PM
- - Dragondog   maybe i missed it but when switchin tranny did u h...   Mar 11, 2009 - 6:38 PM
- - _Jim_   LSD E153 FTW   Mar 11, 2009 - 9:24 PM
- - Dragondog   kool ignor last post iv been answerd the ...   Mar 12, 2009 - 3:43 AM
- - Euphoria   this is a great write up, everything is put basic...   Sep 21, 2009 - 12:35 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Euphoria @ Sep 21, 2009 - 12...   Sep 21, 2009 - 5:08 AM
|- - 95st-celica   QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 21, 2009 - 6:0...   Sep 21, 2009 - 12:36 PM
- - Detatch   with additional mods (bigger turbo, lighter flywhe...   Sep 28, 2009 - 6:00 AM
- - mjperno   hey guys i have a 96 7afe and want to do a 3s swap...   Feb 15, 2010 - 3:04 PM
|- - _Jim_   QUOTE (mjperno @ Feb 15, 2010 - 4:04...   Feb 15, 2010 - 3:24 PM
|- - block   QUOTE (_Jim_ @ Feb 15, 2010 - 2:24 P...   Feb 18, 2010 - 6:51 PM
- - cibrit-   You should feel real special. This is one post th...   Feb 16, 2010 - 6:08 PM
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