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> I am just going to run low boost. . . yea right!, A warning for anyone who wants to boost a 5sfe
post Apr 6, 2016 - 12:21 AM
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HardHead93

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This is a cautionary tale to anyone who thinks they are going to slap a turbo on a high mileage engine and run low boost. DON’T DO IT! In December of 2014 despite all the posts that say, don’t boost your engine unless it is low mileage or rebuilt, I went for it. Is the 5sfe a great engine to boost, yes, but do it right. This post will tell the LONG, expensive, frustrating story to creating my 5sfte. The below write up is what happened.

Background
It has been a long road for this 5sfte build. Here is the engine I started with:


I saw what Supershannon77 did with an Ebay T3/4 turbo for her 6th gen Celica 5sfte and I tried to duplicate it (with a few upgrades). I bought an Ebay kit with the idea that I would need to modify or replace some of the parts that came in it but the bottom line was it would give me a turbo, intercooler, exhaust manifold, downpipe, and some miscellaneous needed parts.

As I started the build I found the kit seriously lacking. The big one was the downpipe was for a CT26 turbo not a T3/4 so I had to order one. There was no oil return line and there was not enough intercooler piping. It took 3 months to resolve all the issues with the advertised “bolt-on” kit (there is no such thing as bolt on from Ebay), I ended up with the following build:


8 psi boost
T3/T04E Turbo
Turbosmart Wastegate
2.5 inch full exhaust
Magnaflow Muffler and Catalytic Converter
AEM FIC Piggyback
SSQV Blow Off Valve
460cc RX-7 Injectors
FMIC
Walpro 255 Fuel Pump
3sgte 3 Bar MAP Sensor
Custom downpipe from Demon Motorsports
Ebay tubular exhaust manifold

I started noticing when I would pop the hood after a drive that there was an extreme amount of heat coming out of the engine bay. I also saw that the under hood insulation was burning away. After doing some digging, I found that the tubular manifold I was using was giving off too much heat instead of shooting it down to the exhaust. I needed a 3sgte manifold. I went to the Toyota dealership and they told me that all their warehouses are out of stock and that the best bet was to find a used one. That led to one option, Ebay. After about a week of missing out on bids I finally scored a 3sgte manifold. It arrived and I was so excited, I ceramic coated it and put it on and the car was back!


Then another problem reared its head, the clutch started slipping. I bought a SPEC stage 2 clutch, got it installed and the car ran like a champ. In the process of tuning the car, I sprung a fuel leak that lead to an engine fire. I think it the Walpro fuel pump put too much pressure on the original lines coming from the fuel filter and something popped.




Now here I am, where I should have started. In hindsight I should have rebuilt the engine before going down the turbo route. My plan was to fix the fire damage and rebuild the engine to a 14-15 psi boost-able monster. My goal is 280-300 horsepower. Based on what I saw in Pressure2’s build, I can use stock pistons and rods but I will need a metal head gasket. I planned to swap the California cylinder head with a Federal head so the fuel injectors fit perfectly.

Posts in this topic
- HardHead93   I am just going to run low boost. . . yea right!   Apr 6, 2016 - 12:21 AM
- - HardHead93   The Engine Pull I found this great video series of...   Apr 6, 2016 - 12:31 AM
- - HardHead93   Engine Breakdown Now with the transmission and clu...   Apr 6, 2016 - 12:38 AM
- - HardHead93   Engine Build-Up Once the engine was apart I took t...   Apr 6, 2016 - 12:45 AM
- - SwissFerdi   Hopefully that's the end of your troubles, nic...   Apr 6, 2016 - 10:04 AM
- - richee3   You put some work into this build. I like it!   Apr 6, 2016 - 11:03 AM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Always nice to see a turbod 5sfe.   Apr 6, 2016 - 11:27 AM
- - Smaay   hopefully the FIC works for you. I had nothing but...   Apr 6, 2016 - 11:30 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (Smaay @ Apr 6, 2016 - 12:30 P...   Apr 6, 2016 - 7:41 PM
- - enderswift   sorry to hear about the fire. That really sucks, b...   Apr 10, 2016 - 12:49 PM
- - HardHead93   Engine Build Up Part 2 Before I could put the engi...   Apr 10, 2016 - 8:26 PM
- - trdproven   keep it going   Apr 12, 2016 - 1:43 AM
- - HardHead93   Now that the engine is back in the car, there was ...   Apr 13, 2016 - 9:42 PM
- - HardHead93   So everyone sorry I have not posted any status on ...   Jun 9, 2016 - 12:20 AM
|- - HardHead93   I have taken some time to reflect on my rod knock ...   Jun 9, 2016 - 9:00 PM
- - njccmd2002   if you like turbo, go with a 4th gen engine. Prov...   Jun 9, 2016 - 11:45 PM
- - Smaay   there are several vacuum lines that need to be blo...   Jun 10, 2016 - 9:31 PM
- - HectortheRican   Great read! Very unfortunate progress, but ver...   Jun 11, 2016 - 2:55 PM
- - HardHead93   I told a friend at work, who used to be a full tim...   Aug 6, 2016 - 12:19 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Nice to see you're giving the 5sfe another cha...   Aug 6, 2016 - 8:44 PM
- - Box   Just finished reading everything, glad to see you ...   Aug 7, 2016 - 12:01 PM
- - enderswift   You will absolutely LOVE that differential. I inst...   Aug 7, 2016 - 3:27 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (enderswift @ Aug 7, 2016 - 3...   Aug 7, 2016 - 8:55 PM
- - enderswift   poly engine mounts help... at the expense of smoot...   Aug 7, 2016 - 9:13 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (enderswift @ Aug 7, 2016 - 9...   Aug 8, 2016 - 10:37 PM
- - HardHead93   I just discovered a really stupid mistake while I ...   Aug 20, 2016 - 3:33 PM
- - JordyTurbo   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Apr 6, 2016 - 1...   Aug 28, 2016 - 11:45 AM
- - HardHead93   Now I am getting a weird ticking noise under load,...   Sep 7, 2016 - 11:44 AM
- - lagos   Video of the noise would help.   Sep 7, 2016 - 2:33 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 7, 2016 - 2:33 PM...   Sep 7, 2016 - 7:55 PM
- - lagos   Hmm it's hard to say for sure. I've had si...   Sep 9, 2016 - 8:48 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 9, 2016 - 8:48 AM...   Sep 9, 2016 - 10:12 AM
- - lagos   You shouldn't be hearing anything during break...   Sep 9, 2016 - 6:29 PM
- - HardHead93   Well, I am official fed up with this engine. The ...   Sep 19, 2016 - 9:48 PM
|- - jordisonjr   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Sep 19, 2016 - 10...   Sep 21, 2016 - 8:39 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (jordisonjr @ Sep 21, 2016 - 8...   Sep 22, 2016 - 2:09 PM
- - lagos   Sorry to hear about the problems, but glad that yo...   Sep 19, 2016 - 9:56 PM
- - trdproven   Too bad it was a really nice 5sfte setup   Sep 21, 2016 - 5:38 AM
- - jordisonjr   Cool man, thanks for the tips! Whatever you en...   Sep 23, 2016 - 8:37 AM
- - HardHead93   I am shopping around for a 3sgte and I have a few ...   Sep 23, 2016 - 10:40 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Sep 23, 2016 - 11...   Sep 24, 2016 - 10:09 AM
|- - HardHead93   ***   Nov 12, 2016 - 8:56 PM
- - lagos   1. The ecu is slightly different between the auto...   Sep 26, 2016 - 5:50 PM
- - slavie   Thanks for sharing the experience. Having perform...   Oct 6, 2016 - 10:29 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (slavie @ Oct 6, 2016 - 10:29 ...   Oct 6, 2016 - 10:53 PM
- - HardHead93   Does anyone have any tips for cleaning and paintin...   Oct 10, 2016 - 2:40 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Oct 10, 2016 - 3...   Oct 11, 2016 - 6:20 PM
- - HardHead93   I am really excited my 4th gen 3sgte came in today...   Oct 11, 2016 - 6:26 PM
|- - xman92   Wow, you are relentless.. Can't wait for this ...   Oct 22, 2016 - 6:39 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (xman92 @ Oct 22, 2016 - 7:39 ...   Oct 25, 2016 - 8:18 PM
- - slavie   Nice! Some will argue that auto engines are b...   Oct 15, 2016 - 7:34 PM
- - HardHead93   I got the valve cover off and the wiring sent off ...   Oct 16, 2016 - 10:06 AM
- - HardHead93   I have started the process of breaking down the en...   Oct 25, 2016 - 8:34 PM
- - lagos   Keep up the great work!   Oct 26, 2016 - 11:53 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 26, 2016 - 12:53 ...   Oct 26, 2016 - 9:48 PM
- - HardHead93   I got some of my goodies in for the swap. There i...   Oct 26, 2016 - 9:56 PM
- - HardHead93   Just got my valve cover back after being powder co...   Oct 27, 2016 - 9:32 PM
- - HardHead93   I got all my wiring back from Wiregap and it look...   Nov 12, 2016 - 12:16 PM
- - HardHead93   I was excited and ready to do this thing! I h...   Nov 12, 2016 - 9:43 PM
- - HardHead93   Got the wiring, intercooler piping and radiator in...   Nov 16, 2016 - 9:39 PM
- - HardHead93   I have everything hooked up and the car will not s...   Nov 17, 2016 - 10:00 PM
- - slavie   If it won't even crank, something is not getti...   Nov 18, 2016 - 5:31 PM
- - richee3   Does everything work inside the car besides the ga...   Nov 18, 2016 - 9:40 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (richee3 @ Nov 18, 2016 - 10:4...   Nov 19, 2016 - 10:12 AM
- - HardHead93   I replaced the ignition switch and starter relay, ...   Nov 19, 2016 - 10:27 PM
- - HardHead93   After testing wires then looking at wiring diagram...   Nov 20, 2016 - 3:19 PM
|- - xman92   Like a soap opera. Can't wait for the next epi...   Nov 20, 2016 - 6:25 PM
- - HardHead93   I have finally gotten the car completely back toge...   Nov 23, 2016 - 2:09 AM
- - HardHead93   I have been driving the car for the last few days ...   Nov 29, 2016 - 11:00 PM
- - HardHead93   Here are some pics of the car with the 4th gen 3sg...   Dec 2, 2016 - 12:06 PM
- - richee3   Looks awesome, glad you get it running right!   Dec 2, 2016 - 12:51 PM
- - HardHead93   Here is a video walk around. ENJOY! https://y...   Dec 2, 2016 - 1:59 PM
- - HardHead93   I just went out for a little bit of spirited drivi...   Dec 3, 2016 - 4:03 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Dec 3, 2016 - 3...   Dec 3, 2016 - 4:53 PM
|- - HardHead93   Haha! I just turned the boost up to 12 psi to...   Dec 4, 2016 - 3:56 PM
|- - DarkDeath   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Dec 4, 2016 - 3...   Dec 13, 2016 - 1:52 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (DarkDeath @ Dec 13, 2016 - 2...   Dec 27, 2016 - 2:02 AM
- - HardHead93   Within the last few days I started getting a whine...   Dec 10, 2016 - 10:09 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Dec 10, 2016 - 11...   Dec 12, 2016 - 10:45 PM
- - HardHead93   And the saga continues. . . . . I was struggli...   Dec 31, 2016 - 8:33 PM
- - enderswift   It's really hard to kill a 3SGTE. They can tak...   Jan 1, 2017 - 3:01 PM
|- - HardHead93   Thanks for the information. I am wondering what w...   Jan 1, 2017 - 5:15 PM
- - jordisonjr   I would definitely contact the company that sold y...   Jan 3, 2017 - 9:54 AM
- - HardHead93   So after a lot of cussing, kicking, and screaming,...   Jan 13, 2017 - 8:29 PM
- - HardHead93   So I am part way through getting the motor ready f...   Jan 15, 2017 - 8:18 PM
- - slavie   I hope you were able to get at least some money/di...   Jan 16, 2017 - 1:25 AM
- - HardHead93   I feel like I have been here before. . . Oh wait,...   Jan 17, 2017 - 11:42 AM
- - Wild202   Good luck to you. Perhaps it was necessary to imme...   Jan 17, 2017 - 12:15 PM
- - HardHead93   I have the engine back in the car, here is a video...   Jan 21, 2017 - 1:49 PM
|- - slavie   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Jan 21, 2017 - 2...   Jan 21, 2017 - 11:39 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (slavie @ Jan 21, 2017 - 11:39...   Jan 22, 2017 - 10:49 AM
- - Wild202   Do not you have disassembled the engine before put...   Jan 22, 2017 - 12:24 PM
- - HardHead93   I dropped the upper and lower oil pan. Then I che...   Jan 23, 2017 - 11:25 PM
- - Wild202   Why sealant black? At Toyota it is usually red.   Jan 24, 2017 - 1:17 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (Wild202 @ Jan 24, 2017 - 2:17...   Jan 24, 2017 - 4:40 PM
- - slavie   That engine looks squeaky clean. All you gotta do...   Jan 24, 2017 - 8:58 PM
- - HardHead93   The car is now back together and running. I just ...   Jan 25, 2017 - 11:21 PM
- - HardHead93   So I have engine #2 in the car and running. Here ...   Jan 27, 2017 - 10:11 AM
|- - HardHead93   So I found this old thread on oil catch cans. htt...   Jan 31, 2017 - 8:42 AM
- - slavie   I'm not sure if I have this topic completely u...   Jan 31, 2017 - 1:55 PM
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