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Posted by: vile_v Apr 16, 2010 - 3:41 PM

Alright I hope this clears up any misconceptions on what our cars was getting. Some of the people on this board have gotten outrageous fuel economy, which in turn has discourage other members into believing how bad of a condition their car is in.

First off, fuel economy has many factors that effect it. Some of these factors are age, health, weight, how you drive, model (to some degree) So please take these things into consideration when reading this chart.

I hope this information has been of some used.

*This information was taken from Toyota's specification sheet. I was able to duplicate it with rights, while I was a part-time parts representative.*

1994 Celica:
----------------------------- (L/100KMS) --- (MPG) ----
ENG.. | TRANSMISSION | CITY - HWY | CITY - HWY
7AFE | MANUAL .......|_ 8.7 - 6.4 |_ 32 - 44
7AFE | AUTOMATIC ..|_ 9.2 - 6.7 |_ 31 - 42
5SFE | MANUAL .......| 10.3 - 7.4 |_ 27 - 38
5SFE | AUTOMATIC ..| 10.4 - 7.3 |_ 27 - 39


1995 Celica:
----------------------------- (L/100KMS) --- (MPG) ----
ENG.. | TRANSMISSION | CITY - HWY | CITY - HWY
7AFE | MANUAL .......|_ 8.1 - 6.4 |_ 35 - 44
7AFE | AUTOMATIC ..|_ 8.8 - 6.5 |_ 32 - 43
5SFE | MANUAL .......| 10.5 - 7.6 |_ 27 - 37
5SFE | AUTOMATIC ..| 10.4 - 7.3 |_ 27 - 39
1996 Celica:
----------------------------- (L/100KMS) --- (MPG) ----
ENG.. | TRANSMISSION | CITY - HWY | CITY - HWY
7AFE | MANUAL .......|_ 8.1 - 6.4 |_ 35 - 44
7AFE | AUTOMATIC ..|_ 8.8 - 6.5 |_ 32 - 43
5SFE | MANUAL .......| 10.6 - 7.6 |_ 27 - 37
5SFE | AUTOMATIC ..| 10.8 - 7.5 |_ 26 - 38
1997 Celica - 1998 Celica:
----------------------------- (L/100KMS) --- (MPG) ----
ENG.. | TRANSMISSION | CITY - HWY | CITY - HWY
5SFE | MANUAL .......| 10.6 - 7.6 |_ 27 - 37
5SFE | AUTOMATIC ..| 10.8 - 7.5 |_ 26 - 38
1999 Celica:
----------------------------- (L/100KMS) --- (MPG) ----
ENG.. | TRANSMISSION | CITY - HWY | CITY - HWY
5SFE | MANUAL .......| 10.8 - 7.6 |_ 26 - 37
5SFE | AUTOMATIC ..| 10.6 - 7.7 |_ 27 - 37

Its not my typical DIY but its pretty damn useful. aha

- my celica was getting 12.8L/100kms (I had a half a dime size hole in the front pipe) it was recently replaced with another used pipe. I am now getting 10.8L/100kms mixed of highway and city driving + lead foot aha LESSON TO LEARN: FIX YOUR EXHAUST LEAKS!!!

Posted by: Projek_01 Apr 16, 2010 - 4:24 PM

nice info! turns out that my car actually gets numbers around there. we get spanked by integras with the standard b18b with fuel economy and our cars arent any faster =(

Posted by: Euphoria Apr 16, 2010 - 11:20 PM

I only ever get as bad as 10.5 If I use ****ty fuel and floor it everywhere if I use good fuel and drive normal I get 9 litres per 100km.

Posted by: Rusty Apr 16, 2010 - 11:59 PM

great stuff, will see if we can get the 3S-GE/BEAMS and the 3S-GTE fuel usage. and should be added to the sticky section for future reference smile.gif

Posted by: zoik Apr 17, 2010 - 6:10 AM

i usually do 600 km with 47l, so an average of 7.8l per 100 km. i drive half city/half highway everyday.
my record was a little over 800km with 55l, 3people inside, trunck loaded to max, so an average of 6.8 l/km.

Posted by: solidxsnake Apr 19, 2010 - 11:20 PM

My old 95 Celica ST got around 18MPG =_=

Posted by: D-Man Apr 20, 2010 - 12:03 AM

WAIT!!

You mean to tell me a 94-7afe can achieve 44mpg, while

QUOTE
the 2011 Mustang has been certified by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency to achieve 19 mpg-US


quote via WIKI.com



wow- how great it is that technology has advanced so far here in the us. 17 years LATER the USDM cannot produce a damn vehicle that can... oh gawd damnit man... I'm moving outta america. I"M NOT WITH THE REST OF THESE GUYS!!

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/longbk323/epic%20fail/attention-fail-calculator-hot-chick.jpg

Posted by: CelicaST_CALI Apr 20, 2010 - 1:13 AM

wow...40+ is bull****,i got 39,ONCE and that was 55,cruise control,no ac,no passing,NOTHING..


(nice pic of ferdi d-man)

Posted by: flyinglizard Apr 20, 2010 - 1:19 AM

QUOTE (D-Man @ Apr 20, 2010 - 12:03 AM) *
WAIT!!

You mean to tell me a 94-7afe can achieve 44mpg, while
QUOTE
the 2011 Mustang has been certified by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency to achieve 19 mpg-US


quote via WIKI.com



wow- how great it is that technology has advanced so far here in the us. 17 years LATER the USDM cannot produce a damn vehicle that can... oh gawd damnit man... I'm moving outta america. I"M NOT WITH THE REST OF THESE GUYS!!

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/longbk323/epic%20fail/attention-fail-calculator-hot-chick.jpg


The 2011 mustang gets 19/31. Most fuel efficient 300 horsepower car ever produced. You fail D-man!

Posted by: HectortheRican Apr 20, 2010 - 8:58 PM

I only get 28mpg with my '95 ST! WTF

Posted by: Xvani Jun 27, 2010 - 6:19 PM

How do you guys measure this?

Posted by: b22ri22an Jun 28, 2010 - 7:11 AM

fill your tank then drive 100 miles then fill your tank again , note the amount of gallons you had to refill with, then divide miles by gallons and it will tell you your mpg smile.gif

Posted by: Ted95 Jun 28, 2010 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE (flyinglizard @ Apr 20, 2010 - 2:19 AM) *
QUOTE (D-Man @ Apr 20, 2010 - 12:03 AM) *
WAIT!!

You mean to tell me a 94-7afe can achieve 44mpg, while
QUOTE
the 2011 Mustang has been certified by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency to achieve 19 mpg-US


quote via WIKI.com



wow- how great it is that technology has advanced so far here in the us. 17 years LATER the USDM cannot produce a damn vehicle that can... oh gawd damnit man... I'm moving outta america. I"M NOT WITH THE REST OF THESE GUYS!!

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/longbk323/epic%20fail/attention-fail-calculator-hot-chick.jpg


The 2011 mustang gets 19/31. Most fuel efficient 300 horsepower car ever produced. You fail D-man!


anddd the 2011 v6 mustang weighs 3580lbs with a 180 pound driver..and the celica ST is like what, 2500lbs? come on now are we really going to argue this?
esp when my old 94 mustang 3.8 v6 got 16 mpg city with a 10 gallon gas tank.. ya 160 miles to a tank, which is y i drive a celica now lol.

oh and the 2011 v6 mustang runs 14.33 on the 1/4 mile with 240 stock rwhp.. not to bad out of a 3500 pound stock v6 that has 19/31 mpg at 305 hp biggrin.gif im a mustang guy by heart woot.gif

Posted by: NYp8tBaller07 Feb 17, 2011 - 11:06 AM

Heres the thing you have to consider "thruway" mpg. In my case highway is 55 and thruway (depending where you are) is 65. If I drive at highway speeds I can get over 40mpg or around that, and if I drive at thruway speeds I can get high 30's. with a small amount of city driving, along with going up and down mountains, added with going about 70mph I was able to travel 300+ miles on about 9-10 gallons of fuel, so I avg. a little more than 30mpg. Anyone has similar results?

Posted by: barterj Feb 17, 2011 - 7:01 PM

I have gotten up to 600 miles on a tank with around 200K miles on my car, that's an average of 37.3 MPG

NYp8tBaller07, I get about the same mileage as you when I travel from Midcoast Area in Maine to Boston for school on the interstate

Posted by: nics Feb 18, 2011 - 4:40 AM

i always get 31mpg hwy. I always get around 430ish miles until the fuel light comes on.

my car has 213k miles now.

Posted by: Mycurse180 Feb 19, 2011 - 8:18 PM

I get like 320 miles until my gas light comes on. Then when I fill it it takes about 12 gallons.

320/12 = 26.7

Posted by: Keiri Feb 19, 2011 - 8:32 PM

QUOTE (Mycurse180 @ Feb 19, 2011 - 8:18 PM) *
I get like 320 miles until my gas light comes on. Then when I fill it it takes about 12 gallons.

320/12 = 26.7


That's about what I get during the summer but right now I'm below 300...damn cold weather.

Posted by: zfjohnson07 Feb 19, 2011 - 9:16 PM

i got about 450 out of a tank, thats with a 97 automatic. that spreadsheet you got, i would post that everywhere i could!

Posted by: block Feb 19, 2011 - 9:23 PM

Holy hell, I'm getting the ST version smile.gif

Posted by: pflau Feb 21, 2011 - 1:44 AM

37mpg highway.. gosh that is such total and utter bullcrap.

I got a 98 manual and the best I ever got was about 30mpg highway driving down in Florida and I was driving highway for hours at a time.

I usually get about 26-29 mpg 75% highway 25% city.

37mpg is total bullcrap. No way.

Posted by: rave2n Feb 21, 2011 - 11:04 AM

Just went to Flordia, from SC.

8 Hour drive.

443 mile trip. 12 gallon tank, perspectively 36 miles a gallon. Got to the hotel on fumes, but made it.

159k on engine, no major changes to engine. Big speaker enclosure in the hatch. Manual Trannie.

Went between 65-75mph whole way.

I know this is for real, being I charge my employer mileage, and get my gas receipts paid back.

Posted by: solidxsnake Feb 24, 2011 - 9:34 PM

And here my old '95 ST got 18mpg =_=

Posted by: pflau Feb 28, 2011 - 4:20 PM

QUOTE (rave2n @ Feb 21, 2011 - 10:04 AM) *
Just went to Flordia, from SC.

8 Hour drive.

443 mile trip. 12 gallon tank, perspectively 36 miles a gallon. Got to the hotel on fumes, but made it.

159k on engine, no major changes to engine. Big speaker enclosure in the hatch. Manual Trannie.

Went between 65-75mph whole way.

I know this is for real, being I charge my employer mileage, and get my gas receipts paid back.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the tank is 16 gallon. So you were getting 27-30 mpg which is typically what I get.

Posted by: bsamps4 Feb 28, 2011 - 6:09 PM

Wow I'm pissed. My 94 5s only gets about 24-25 average. I've replaced filter, plugs, plug wires, coil, and distributor rotor......FAIL.

Posted by: kamax May 8, 2011 - 3:42 AM

necroing the thread. My GT with a hole in the flex pipe gets around 26-27 light foot driving.... mostly city.... need to get that hole fix....

Posted by: BonzaiCelica May 8, 2011 - 4:37 AM

ill try and contribute my mileage on beams motor once I correct my air/fuel ratio issue. I heard it was somewhere around 22 city and 30 highway???

Posted by: b22ri22an May 9, 2011 - 1:40 AM

QUOTE (pflau @ Feb 28, 2011 - 4:20 PM) *
QUOTE (rave2n @ Feb 21, 2011 - 10:04 AM) *
Just went to Flordia, from SC.

8 Hour drive.

443 mile trip. 12 gallon tank, perspectively 36 miles a gallon. Got to the hotel on fumes, but made it.

159k on engine, no major changes to engine. Big speaker enclosure in the hatch. Manual Trannie.

Went between 65-75mph whole way.

I know this is for real, being I charge my employer mileage, and get my gas receipts paid back.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the tank is 16 gallon. So you were getting 27-30 mpg which is typically what I get.

hmm i have never been able to put more than 13.5 gallons in mine, i guess it means i can drive on E alot longer then i thought

Posted by: BonzaiCelica May 9, 2011 - 3:40 AM

do not drive your car till its gets to e or until the gas light shows up. It's recommended by the manufacture of all car companies to keep your gas tank filled above the quarter line. This way your fuel pump is always being cooled by the fuel inside the gas tank!!! or else your fuel pump will eventually seize over time...

Posted by: nsxtypeR May 9, 2011 - 6:47 AM

3rd gen 3s-gte.

While cruising normal, average of 10 liter per 100 km
Normal cruising, with traffic-light sprints 12,5 liter per 100km
Fast cruising 20 liter per 100km
Averages of city and highway together


These are factory specs:
At 90 km/h: 7.5 liter/100 km
At 120 km/: 9.4 liter/100 km
City: 11.6 liter/100 km

I guess I have to change my driving style biggrin.gif

Posted by: Euphoria May 9, 2011 - 11:14 PM

QUOTE (nsxtypeR @ May 9, 2011 - 6:47 AM) *
3rd gen 3s-gte.

While cruising normal, average of 10 liter per 100 km
Normal cruising, with traffic-light sprints 12,5 liter per 100km
Fast cruising 20 liter per 100km
Averages of city and highway together


These are factory specs:
At 90 km/h: 7.5 liter/100 km
At 120 km/: 9.4 liter/100 km
City: 11.6 liter/100 km

I guess I have to change my driving style biggrin.gif


10 litres per 100km is great for normal driving! I wouldn't be able to help boosting it EVERYWHERE so its probably lucky I have a godawful 5SFE lol.

Posted by: rave2n May 10, 2011 - 10:55 PM


Same, from E, mine only takes 13.5....I never take it below a quarter expect for large trips like that.

Anyone confirm..?

Posted by: monky322 May 12, 2011 - 9:11 PM

Hi, Guys! Well I just calculated my MPG and I am doing city driving 22.7 MPG. Not so good comparing with most of you, pals!
I just got a new Oxigen sensor=denso by the way, i noticed better MPG but i should be around 26 or 27 MPG. So what i should do to my car to get a better MPG. My spark plugs are new, cables are about 40000 miles old(NKG), new air filter, 30000 miles ago I changed dist cap and rotor. Also my EGR valve is not working properly, i got an engine code=insufficient flow. Do you think that if i clean it, I can get better MPG. Any other suggestion would be appreciated! My celica has already 170000 miles and leaking some oil.

Posted by: trebilihp May 12, 2011 - 10:08 PM

Best i ever had with my 94 st is 6.6 l/100km on highway with a lightly damaged piston ring (185psi comp beside 210 for the others). So i guess those numbers are good and/or my 6gen is still in good shape afther all. I think she usually drinks 7.7l/100km for summer all around performances.

Posted by: b22ri22an May 13, 2011 - 12:58 PM

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 9, 2011 - 4:40 AM) *
do not drive your car till its gets to e or until the gas light shows up. It's recommended by the manufacture of all car companies to keep your gas tank filled above the quarter line. This way your fuel pump is always being cooled by the fuel inside the gas tank!!! or else your fuel pump will eventually seize over time...


i deliver pizza... i live on e. guess i'll save some cash for when i eventually kill the fuel pump

Posted by: jimboggs Jun 9, 2011 - 10:32 AM

I always take mine down to E and always calculate my mileage when I fill up. All stock 94 St with 240k miles. I have never needed a fuel pump and ain't worried about it at all. Honestly, how many electric motors do you folks know of that have seized because of not being submerged in a liquid? I'm thinking like ZERO!

I do wish I could get over 30 mpg. 40+ sounds ludicrous.

Posted by: HaysoosKreesto Jun 9, 2011 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (bsamps4 @ Feb 28, 2011 - 7:09 PM) *
Wow I'm pissed. My 94 5s only gets about 24-25 average. I've replaced filter, plugs, plug wires, coil, and distributor rotor......FAIL.


We on the same boat lol, except my tune up is to come. I get about 25~ mpg, which ain't bad but I want that 30 **** everyone else is hitting.

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 9, 2011 - 4:40 AM) *
do not drive your car till its gets to e or until the gas light shows up. It's recommended by the manufacture of all car companies to keep your gas tank filled above the quarter line. This way your fuel pump is always being cooled by the fuel inside the gas tank!!! or else your fuel pump will eventually seize over time...


Good to know, thanks for informing me smile.gif.


Posted by: ricochet1490 Jul 28, 2011 - 3:53 PM

QUOTE (pflau @ Feb 21, 2011 - 2:44 AM) *
37mpg highway.. gosh that is such total and utter bullcrap.

I got a 98 manual and the best I ever got was about 30mpg highway driving down in Florida and I was driving highway for hours at a time.

I usually get about 26-29 mpg 75% highway 25% city.

37mpg is total bullcrap. No way.


I totally agree. my 94 gt gets babied by me. 75% highway, 25% city i'm lucky to get 29-30mpg. I got 37 one time on a trip to Long Island through the mountains. I was following my step dads truck with a big trailer full of steel on it to do a job. 37.6 mpg due to DRAFTING. So I guess we shouldn't drive fast and we should always follow semi-trucks.

HOWEVER, if you look at my profile you'll see my recent deer accident, post accident (new plugs, wires and distributor) i got 32 pretty easily..... for two weeks
I think I had my timing a little advanced and after the computer "fixed" that by retarding the timing, i'm back to 28.75 mpg. See here for the confirmation
http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/timing.htm

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Nov 2, 2011 - 5:35 AM

alright well I got a solid figure for beams redtop

I got 340 miles from a full tank driving streets only!! all the way till the gas light turned on. When the Gas light turns on it means you have two gallons left right???

So 340 miles (street miles) divided by 14 gallons = 24.5 miles per gallon when shifting between 2,500 rpm and 3,000 rpm. I always keep my speed at 45-50mph max while on the streets.

i'd say thats not too bad...

Posted by: Keiri Nov 2, 2011 - 7:32 AM

Just an updated on my situation; I'm getting between 300 and 375 miles on a 12.5 gal fill-up - the lower number the more I drive in the city and the higher number the more I drive on the highway. I'm averaging between 27 and 34MPG usually.

Only recent work has been new intake, new battery, header, and bottom o2 sensor replacement.

Posted by: blackthunder Nov 8, 2011 - 11:01 PM

Just chiming in...

Here in Okinawa where there is no real freeway longer than 80km(ish) I do mostly city driving. Couple that with a heavy foot at times and my MPG isn't so hot. For a 98 BEAMS with an auto tranny and just an intake, over the last 8 months, I averaged 21.6 MPG! laugh.gif

Posted by: azian_advanced May 4, 2012 - 6:17 PM

i know i'm reviving an old thread but here is something i found on the U.S. Dept of Energy website.



Source: http://cta.ornl.gov/data/tedb30/Edition30_Chapter04.pdf

Posted by: richee3 May 4, 2012 - 6:27 PM

QUOTE (blackthunder @ Nov 8, 2011 - 11:01 PM) *
Just chiming in...

Here in Okinawa where there is no real freeway longer than 80km(ish) I do mostly city driving. Couple that with a heavy foot at times and my MPG isn't so hot. For a 98 BEAMS with an auto tranny and just an intake, over the last 8 months, I averaged 21.6 MPG! laugh.gif

Ouch. I get a decent mixture of city and highway miles and with mine running pig rich, I still get 33-34 mpg.

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 4, 2012 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ May 4, 2012 - 7:17 PM) *
i know i'm reviving an old thread but here is something i found on the U.S. Dept of Energy website.



Source: http://cta.ornl.gov/data/tedb30/Edition30_Chapter04.pdf


I like this alot because it helps show how the aerodynamics of the car change with velocity

Posted by: Box May 4, 2012 - 11:53 PM

So, drive 25 mph all the the time. tongue.gif

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 4, 2012 - 11:53 PM

60i believe is their approved number on the graph lol

but 25 also a nice figure lol

Posted by: Box May 5, 2012 - 12:07 AM

Good to know, guess in all of those 55 mph areas I'll have to speed a little. *cough* I'M SAVING OUR PLANET, GAH. laugh.gif

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 5, 2012 - 12:10 AM

by the way.... that HAS to be an st model.

The aerodynamics would be the same, so that's also the best fuel economy for a gt..... but there is not a gt on the planet that gets :cough: 48mpg! at 60mph..... I don't even this ST's get that kind fuel economy....

Posted by: CAcelica29 May 5, 2012 - 12:22 AM

i average 31-32 with a manual 7afe.....44 isnt gonna happen. i drive fairly modestly for a california driver....

Posted by: Box May 5, 2012 - 12:24 AM

28/34 is the original rating. I guess if you were to pulse and glide, and coast whenever possible those kind of numbers would be possible.

Posted by: spy00005 May 5, 2012 - 3:22 PM

well i've been keeping track of my mpg in my phone with an app called acar (i highly recomend if you have android) and it seems my mpg average is 20.5mpg highest mpg 24 lowest 18 so everyone getting 29+ lucky you. i really don't mind tho i love my car and the way it feels and drives.

Posted by: Special_Edy May 6, 2012 - 12:11 AM

These cars really should have had a sixth gear. Could you imagine being at 2500 rpm @ 60 mph

Posted by: Box May 6, 2012 - 1:02 AM

More gears! Guess that's why the 7GC GT-S get as good mpg as it does, even with 180 hp.

Posted by: SwissFerdi May 6, 2012 - 1:09 AM

^ And there's a 7th gen tranny which fits the 7A, called the C60...six gears.

Posted by: Box May 6, 2012 - 2:00 AM

Wonder how much that'd help.

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 6, 2012 - 10:56 AM

likely not much. The energy needs of the car to push through the air at any given velocity are the same no matter what transmission you have.... I'm sure there is some to be gained, but does the 7a have enough torque to run a 6th gear that is presumably higher?

Posted by: Special_Edy May 6, 2012 - 11:54 AM

The internal drag of the engine and transmission would be reduced with a sixth gear. This is why you arent cruizing around in third or fourth.
The engine is creating alot more friction and heat with its internals spinning faster.

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 6, 2012 - 1:19 PM

heat yes, friction neglibile. The bearings on the crank etc aren't going to have increased drag? but there will be less resistive force put on the engine from less backpressure etc....

But again, no sense in a 6th gear if the motor can't handle it.... need MOAR POWAR and torque for extra gearing...

Posted by: Special_Edy May 6, 2012 - 1:51 PM

QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ May 6, 2012 - 1:19 PM) *
heat yes, friction neglibile. The bearings on the crank etc aren't going to have increased drag? but there will be less resistive force put on the engine from less backpressure etc....

But again, no sense in a 6th gear if the motor can't handle it.... need MOAR POWAR and torque for extra gearing...

Windage, oil pump, driven accessories, like I said you dont drive in 4th because its too much work for the engine. My 5SFE could handle another gear, Im in 5th at 30mph

Posted by: BonzaiCelica May 6, 2012 - 3:18 PM

QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ May 6, 2012 - 2:09 AM) *
^ And there's a 7th gen tranny which fits the 7A, called the C60...six gears.


7afe is an A series engine
2zzge is a ZZ series engine.

THe c60 transmission will be a direct fit onto the 7a engine. You'll need the Toyota Levin BZ-R 6 speed transmission, which is a C160 transmission that comes stock with a helical lsd.

Posted by: Box May 6, 2012 - 5:35 PM

^^Hmm, might be worth doing for just the LSD.

Posted by: RobbMeeX May 12, 2012 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE (Box @ May 6, 2012 - 6:35 PM) *
^^Hmm, might be worth doing for just the LSD.


What about non ethanol when the tests were put out?

Posted by: mandrek May 12, 2012 - 11:01 AM

got to remember guys that when these original Estimated gas mileage were put out they would NEVER reflect what could be had in the real world. it was a number given under optimal driving conditions in every way and more like ricer math than a representation of what mileage you could expect from the car.. .. that's why the revisions were made a few years back to what manufactures post as city/highway mileage. current estimated gas mileage include regular start stop driving habits of city driving, the need to pass at highway speeds and not just stay at a constant optimal speed, the use of the A/C system is also included in the newer mileage estimates. and if i am not mistaken i believe that newer mileage estimates are based on an average highway speed of 80mph, and not the old US federally mandated standard 55MPH.. all of this makes a difference. today's standards are much more demanding of the manufactures but also represent an attainable MPG.

it has been almost 20 years since the first 6g-celica has rolled off the line, and technology has come a long way and advanced, all the wile the cost to implement it on a platform has gone down..
if the car were to be made w/ today's technology applied to it, with today's MPG rating standards being the measuring stick, i am confident in saying that the ST would be a 35-40 highway car and the GT a 30-35 highway car.

wile accounting for the fact that the car would most likely be about 200 lbs heavier from all the new safety equipment, most of that added weight would have been shed as there is more use of aluminum in cars today. (so really about the same weight). the motor it self would be a completely different daemon. wile staying in line with the original design goals and nature of the 7aFE, today's incarnation of the 7aFE would most likely be like a baby 2AZ-FE.. incorporating twin cam variable valve timing, a slight increase in compression ratio, longer power band (and the gearing to go with it). if it were made TODAY it would also most likely have direct injection.. all of this would give you a car that has 180hp (or close to it and only if it had direct injection, this estimate is based on what toyta's new DI motors are getting for volume to power ratings.)and a real world 35-40MPG highway... oh and the car would be in the same price point segment as it was when the 6gc was first on the lot..

yes sure all of that last paragraph is just talk and conjecture, but it is just to prove a point that the old MPG ratings were complete crap, and that even now, with the newer more stringent standards on MPG and engine power ratings, if the 6G celica were made today, the original 35-40 highway MPG goals WOULD be attainable..

Posted by: Box May 13, 2012 - 10:29 PM

They would do what they did back in the day. The ST would get the Corolla engine and the GT would get the Camry engine. So, the Celica would get what they get more or less. Maybe a little less due to sportier gearing for the Celica. I wish they'd come back out with the Celica. I'd make it my next car in a heartbeat. Hopefully with Toyota getting back to how things were, we'll see a new Celica soon.

Posted by: BonzaiCelica May 14, 2012 - 4:34 PM


Posted by: Special_Edy May 14, 2012 - 5:07 PM

Nice Bonzai, is that yours?

Posted by: richee3 May 14, 2012 - 8:39 PM

That's exactly what my old ST auto got. My GT did better than the sticker advertised.

Posted by: BonzaiCelica May 14, 2012 - 8:59 PM

QUOTE (Special_Edy @ May 14, 2012 - 5:07 PM) *
Nice Bonzai, is that yours?


thats my old celica st. When my dad bought this, the lady gave this too us. Factory tags like you see on the lot.

Posted by: BonzaiCelica May 16, 2013 - 2:25 AM

3sge beams in a 1999 celica gt got a combined 28mpg on city and highway.
Im using 91 octane here in California and kept my rpms at under 3500 rpm. all at under 1,000 feet above sea level


Fyi i tried looking for most recent post about mpg but cudnt find it

Posted by: The_enD May 16, 2013 - 3:07 AM

What should be my speed on the highway for maximum fuel economy? There is a graph above showing 60 mph, do you guys agree?

Posted by: Box May 16, 2013 - 1:09 PM

55-60 generally is the most efficient highway speed. I can't help but feel at times our cars need a 6th gear though.

Posted by: nics May 16, 2013 - 2:25 PM

I squeezed out 500 miles from a full tank driving at 62mph drafting behind trucks. This is a straight drive, no stops at all.

Posted by: Box May 16, 2013 - 3:05 PM

QUOTE (nics @ May 16, 2013 - 2:25 PM) *
I squeezed out 500 miles from a full tank driving at 62mph drafting behind trucks. This is a straight drive, no stops at all.

I remember seeing that on Mythbusters. If you're feeling particularly cheap and adventurous if you draft within a few feet you'll get great gas mileage. tongue.gif

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 17, 2013 - 9:52 PM

I did 35 mpg yesterday. 55 to 65 mph travel speed. At 70 I get about 31. Most of the time I'm about 32.5 mpg.
94 5s auto.

Posted by: Liam_c May 18, 2013 - 7:21 AM

My 3SFE always gets good economy!
I always get 350 - 370kms to half a tank (217miles - 230 miles)
Best i've done was 425kms on 32 Litres (264 miles to 8.4 gallons)

Haha, i hope these converters are accurate tongue.gif

Posted by: ricochet1490 May 18, 2013 - 11:08 AM


Posted by: IfWeChoose May 26, 2013 - 12:33 AM

I travel between two cities here in NC very frequently (about once a month). At no more than 3k RPM and traveling no faster than 70 mph I managed to get 45.5 MPG at my best - while 42 has been my average. People say blasting the heat and drafting off semi trucks doesn't net an MPG increase, but that was when I achieved 45.5 MPG. The trip is 166 miles in total, so the calculations are averaged out enough. Of course this trip is all highway. I'm always engaged in project maximum MPG!

Posted by: Nostalgix Oct 16, 2013 - 6:26 PM

94 5sfe

5 tanks into ownership, getting between 520-580km per tank depending on how i drive and how
how long i drive with the gas light on. i'm confident I can break 600km and maybe even reach 700.
Just haven't made a long-distance trip yet.
Average is 27mpg.
Much better than my old Maxima at 19mpg.
Missing that v6 power though...

Posted by: Neon90424 Oct 16, 2013 - 6:32 PM

I get around 6 miles per gallon

Posted by: cwong Nov 3, 2013 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Box @ May 16, 2013 - 2:09 PM) *
55-60 generally is the most efficient highway speed. I can't help but feel at times our cars need a 6th gear though.




I agreee totally. What rpms are you guys on 60 mph & 70 mph

Posted by: The_enD Nov 3, 2013 - 10:08 AM

3k at 100km/h

Posted by: blackliftback Nov 3, 2013 - 10:36 AM

97 st limited edition. 222,222 miles the other day.

I can pull out 50+mpg if i really wanted to. Hypermiling anyone? I do it sometimes when i want to save for car parts. Lol

Posted by: danmumo Nov 4, 2013 - 6:10 PM

What are some main factors that encourage MPG ? I know having good tires makes a big difference. With my 92 auto ST I would get 500kms/tank with stock 14 " and would get approximately 420kms/ tank with 17" rims and low profile tires. With my 95 gt I don't like letting get under half of tank but can get approximately 350kms/ half a tank in the city.

Posted by: blackliftback Nov 6, 2013 - 1:14 AM

QUOTE (danmumo @ Nov 4, 2013 - 7:10 PM) *
What are some main factors that encourage MPG ? I know having good tires makes a big difference. With my 92 auto ST I would get 500kms/tank with stock 14 " and would get approximately 420kms/ tank with 17" rims and low profile tires. With my 95 gt I don't like letting get under half of tank but can get approximately 350kms/ half a tank in the city.

You are actually traveling faster on bigger rims than what the speedometer says. Therefore really getting more kms/ tank than you think.

Posted by: onnaj Nov 6, 2013 - 3:48 AM

When i use my 17" rims with 225/45 tires my speedometer gives me the actual GPS speed. When i drive 120 km/h it's really 120 km/h. When i use my winter rims 15" with 195/60 (or so) tires then i drive about 130 km/h on tacho which is a 120 km/h gps speed.

With the 4AGE 20V blacktop my mpg is the same as with the 7AFE about 28+ mpg with 17". This is mainly short distances and 120 km/h on the highway and sometimes take it to 8200 rpm smile.gif. The best mpg i ever did was with the blacktop. A 350 km drive and it was almost 36.5 mpg!

I'm really curious if the blacktop will be even better on mpg when my C160 gearbox is in wink.gif

Posted by: ILoveMySilly97 Nov 6, 2013 - 6:58 PM

QUOTE (vile_v @ Apr 16, 2010 - 12:41 PM) *
1997 Celica - 1998 Celica:
----------------------------- (L/100KMS) --- (MPG) ----
ENG.. | TRANSMISSION | CITY - HWY | CITY - HWY
5SFE | MANUAL .......| 10.6 - 7.6 |_ 27 - 37


Was this a self test? Because I have a 5sfe with a s54 tranny and I get around 22 in the city and 27 highway. Also this original paper info I found in my glove box seems accurate to what I typically get also.


Posted by: 955SFE Nov 21, 2013 - 1:05 PM

I get an average of 25-27mpg. That's with 70%city and 30%highway. City sucks balls in Los Angeles, a lot of stop and go and idling.

Posted by: Caleb Nov 22, 2013 - 3:29 AM

My GT4 gets around 28mpg during mixed driving but if im driving hard i will average about 18mpg

the only mods i have are a apexi exhaust and sard intake everything elses is stock

Posted by: The_enD Nov 22, 2013 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Caleb @ Nov 22, 2013 - 10:29 AM) *
My GT4 gets around 28mpg during mixed driving but if im driving hard i will average about 18mpg

the only mods i have are a apexi exhaust and sard intake everything elses is stock

Awesome.
I wonder what a 3SGTE swap will do, you know, without the added strain and weight of the 4x4.

Posted by: thymeclock Nov 27, 2013 - 9:16 PM

QUOTE (955SFE @ Nov 21, 2013 - 2:05 PM) *
I get an average of 25-27mpg. That's with 70%city and 30%highway. City sucks balls in Los Angeles, a lot of stop and go and idling.


LOL! Come drive in NYC if you think city driving in LA is bad.

I typically get about 22 MPG in driving that is entirely in city-like traffic mostly in the lower gears with an A/T. On the hwy it's closer to 30 MPG.

But mine's a 'vert that's driven only in summer, and always with the top down, unless it's raining. smile.gif

Posted by: Terzin1 Dec 16, 2013 - 4:16 PM

I don't think these numbers reflect the convertibles. My 95 vert gets 25 mpg average. I filled the tank up on two separate occasions and noted the mileage at full and at empty.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the vert is the heaviest of the bunch as well.

Posted by: Special_Edy Dec 17, 2013 - 12:08 AM

My 94 gt got 32.5 on cruise control when I drove to florida. The motor died 500 miles later

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Mar 7, 2014 - 1:05 AM

3SGE Beams:

I got 29mpg combined city and highway. In the city I never went over 2600 rpm and highway never went over 3600 rpm

This was all done with 14 gal of gas with 410miles

Posted by: anixie Mar 9, 2014 - 11:15 AM

I get roughly 40 MPG (620 km from tank full to tank empty) or about 7.5 liter/100 km. 7AFE with 70.000 real km on the counter

Posted by: blumontag Mar 11, 2014 - 1:21 PM

My 94 ST manual with 300,000 miles gets 30 mpg in the winter, with about 50/50 highway to city miles. Rest of the year I still get about 34 mpg. smile.gif

Posted by: VavAlephVav Mar 11, 2014 - 8:41 PM

my 5spd GT with the 5sfe gets around 25 mpg. I get to 1/2 tank at about 200 miles, and the light comes on around 325 miles, and it takes about 13 gallons to fill it back up. I keep thinking that I am going to drive around and not accelerate hard and keep it below 3k rpm, and then I say to hell with it spin it all the way up anyway.
especially since I replaced the motor mounts, now I want to go around dumping the clutch as hard as I can just to be amazed by how much soother it is now.

however, what I have noticed is that the given size of the tank is 15.9 gallons. but I don't think the fuel gauge reads in a linear fashion. For if I got to 1/2 tank at 200 miles, I would get to E at 400 miles.
Instead the light comes on when it hits E with 3 gallons still left in the tank. I have filled it as soon as the light comes on many times and found it only needed less than 13 gallons to fill back up.
Once I actually needed to keep driving some 50 miles after the light came on, and I was quite sure I still had at least a gallon left.
So it's like there are 4 gallons for each of the First two quarters of the tank(by the fuel gauge), and about 2 1/2 gallons for each of the last two quarters of the fuel gauge.

Posted by: cardshark525 Mar 15, 2014 - 2:41 PM

I just got my first mileage back since I filled her up today. Got 336 miles to 13.8 gallons giving me 24.5 MPG.

This was probably 85% highway 15% city, however that doesn't mean the pedal wasn't to the floor on just about every on-ramp and here and there on the highway itself... lol.

If it was all highway and I WASN'T blasting up ramps I could see getting close to 30MPG.

Posted by: Box Mar 19, 2014 - 5:10 PM

After two years of ownership averaged out 36 and sometimes saw low 40's with the 7A-FE/5-speed.

Posted by: cardshark525 Apr 20, 2014 - 8:37 PM

So just to update here for those that were interested in how a swap does:

70% City (and heavy foot) I got 19mpg.

95% Highway (and light foot) I got 28.2mpg. (However this 95% highway was on I-80 doing a steady 80MPH. I would anticipate around 32-33 if it was a 55 road and you were doing 55).


As always, your experience may vary.

Posted by: thymeclock Apr 21, 2014 - 8:59 PM

QUOTE (Terzin1 @ Dec 16, 2013 - 5:16 PM) *
I don't think these numbers reflect the convertibles. My 95 vert gets 25 mpg average. I filled the tank up on two separate occasions and noted the mileage at full and at empty.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the vert is the heaviest of the bunch as well.


Aerodymics matter with a vert. Also an automatic isn't a efficient as a manual. City driving is having a stop sign on every other corner, if not every corner. No remedy for that. frown.gif

Posted by: VavAlephVav Jul 1, 2014 - 10:56 AM

I've been taking it easy because of my head gasket. After a whole tank of not accelerating over 3000 rpm and setting the cruise control at 58 mph the light came on at 395 miles, and
I filled up 13.6 gallons at 410 miles for an Astonishing 30.2 mpg in my 2.2L

Posted by: 955SFE Jul 1, 2014 - 12:12 PM

http://youtu.be/E0wPJrlgyhc

I get between 27-28mpg with 80-90% city driving by shifting like the video. On the highway I don't use cruise control. I found out it works better going through all the gears rather than skipping a gear in city driving.

I've been a customer for Chevron for nearly 3 years straight. Now I've switched to shell. Lets see how it goes. Nothing wrong with Chevron by the way.

Posted by: Box Jul 2, 2014 - 8:43 PM

Chevron and Shell are my top choices.

Posted by: VavAlephVav Jul 2, 2014 - 9:39 PM

in this part of the country we have Quick Trip which is Top teir, but I stop at a Shell if I cant find a QT. I've been doing like you showed and shifting around 2200 now, but mine is about 85% highway and 15% city each day. and so far I'm estimating 6 gallons used at 200 miles, that's 33 mpg biggrin.gif

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Aug 21, 2016 - 4:19 PM

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Nov 2, 2011 - 6:35 AM) *
alright well I got a solid figure for beams redtop

I got 340 miles from a full tank driving streets only!! all the way till the gas light turned on. When the Gas light turns on it means you have two gallons left right???

So 340 miles (street miles) divided by 14 gallons = 24.5 miles per gallon when shifting between 2,500 rpm and 3,000 rpm. I always keep my speed at 45-50mph max while on the streets.


Drove to Vegas Yesterday. Normal wind conditions, tire pressure 31psi, no rear seats and 20lbs lighter battery.

I have an SS3 Celica beams redtop.

Got 480 miles on full tank driving 72mph at 3,500rpm, only made two stops and used the air conditioning on low fan speed for about 1.5 hours. The other 6.5 hours I had windows slightly open at an inch and a half and had only 15lbs worth of tools in car.

So that equals 32mpg. Drove a while after gas light went on. So I had about 25 miles left in tank

Posted by: IfWeChoose Aug 21, 2016 - 8:40 PM

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 21, 2016 - 4:19 PM) *
So that equals 32mpg. Drove a while after gas light went on. So I had about 25 miles left in tank


Eh yo brah, necropost but got deets.

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Aug 22, 2016 - 12:55 AM

I don't speak brah, brah. Didn't grow up in Huntington beach...

Posted by: IfWeChoose Aug 22, 2016 - 6:31 AM

Ha! Don't know where it's attributed on the east coast, but good to know - never visit Huntington beach.

Posted by: msk59 Aug 22, 2016 - 8:59 PM

I only get between 21 to 25. On highway if I behave, I get around 27 on my 1996 ST with manual transmission. Question: For those of you who have ST with manual, What RPM you guys are at 70 (5th gear) and 80 mph? Mine stays close to 4K around 75. I have 15 inch Celica wheels from a 2001 Celica.

Posted by: ILoveMySilly97 Aug 22, 2016 - 10:54 PM

Got 34mpg on my gen4 3sgte with a s54. 91 octane techron

Posted by: BonzaiCelica Aug 23, 2016 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Aug 22, 2016 - 10:54 PM) *
Got 34mpg on my gen4 3sgte with a s54. 91 octane techron


how a vvt-i going to be outclassed by a turbo non vvt-i motor?

what were you driving conditions, rpm, speed, traffic....???

Posted by: Box Aug 23, 2016 - 1:58 PM

QUOTE (msk59 @ Aug 22, 2016 - 8:59 PM) *
I only get between 21 to 25. On highway if I behave, I get around 27 on my 1996 ST with manual transmission. Question: For those of you who have ST with manual, What RPM you guys are at 70 (5th gear) and 80 mph? Mine stays close to 4K around 75. I have 15 inch Celica wheels from a 2001 Celica.

Gah, I get better than that in the Firebird. It's been awhile but I think something is off on your car, I seem to recall being right under 3,500 at 70 mph. If I had to take a guess the tires are taller than what they're supposed to.

Posted by: IfWeChoose Aug 23, 2016 - 3:11 PM

Sí Box, algo esta malo con su carro. Talves el necesita nuevas bufias. Con mí carro obtengo 35 millas cada galón sin tratando!

Posted by: msk59 Aug 23, 2016 - 10:00 PM

QUOTE (Box @ Aug 23, 2016 - 1:58 PM) *
QUOTE (msk59 @ Aug 22, 2016 - 8:59 PM) *
I only get between 21 to 25. On highway if I behave, I get around 27 on my 1996 ST with manual transmission. Question: For those of you who have ST with manual, What RPM you guys are at 70 (5th gear) and 80 mph? Mine stays close to 4K around 75. I have 15 inch Celica wheels from a 2001 Celica.

Gah, I get better than that in the Firebird. It's been awhile but I think something is off on your car, I seem to recall being right under 3,500 at 70 mph. If I had to take a guess the tires are taller than what they're supposed to.


Box: Tires are 185/55/15 Kelly tires I got a couple of year ago from local Goodyear. I have put new rings and bearings and complete new head when I got the car and it runs fine with very little oil consumption. The clutch has not been replaced yet and I think it needs one. I pull in each gear but not too hard, but I am always over the speed limit. tomorrow I will check again at 70mph and report back.

Tires are due soon so what size you recommend on 25 inch rims.

Posted by: Box Aug 23, 2016 - 10:44 PM

185/70-14 was stock, so 185/55-15 are way too small. 24.2" tall stock vs 23" what's on there now. I brain blanked earlier since bigger tires would make the speedometer read slower but would need less engine rotations, smaller tires would make the speedometer read faster but would need more engine rotations.

195/60-15 would put you at the stock diameter.

Posted by: msk59 Aug 23, 2016 - 11:12 PM

Sorry 195/55/15 are on right now. You are correct. The speedo is off about 5 miles

Posted by: Box Aug 24, 2016 - 1:20 PM

Those are like 23.4" tall, so not as bad but still a little too small. I got like 36-40 out of mine but I drove like an old man and most of my driving was on the highway at 55 mph, I'd imagine interstate driving at 70 mph would've dropped that to 32-36 or so. Mine had factory 14" alloys and had been lowered, so that probably helped some as well.

Posted by: msk59 Aug 24, 2016 - 2:15 PM

Thanks Box. I think before the winter sets in, I am due for a new set. What is the next fat tire I can use? The reason for asking since the car is stock height, the wheel well looks to big (if that makes sense). I don't like lowering it because, the roads of Oklahoma are really bad.

Thanks for all your help Box.

sorry for the thread jack guys!

Posted by: Box Aug 24, 2016 - 3:46 PM

Well 195/60-15 would be about .8" taller top to bottom than what's on there now, so another .4" of sidewall and it would be the right diameter needed.

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