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> Onnaj's 1998 Celica ST to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion, Next project: C160 LSD 6-speed gearbox :)
post Feb 16, 2013 - 2:00 PM
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Follow my topic cause in the next months i'm going to put a 4AGE 20V Blacktop engine in my 1998 Celica 7AFE. I just love the noise and revs of the Blacktop. I was also doubting about the Beams, but that engine was much more expensive, so the Blacktop wil be the one for me at the moment. Thought also about the 1MZ-FE, but it hasn't been done a lot in Holland and the engines cannot be find over here.

So i've order the blacktop with all the ancillaries, i think at least, and through club4ag.com i've ordered an uncut wiring harness and ECU from a 6 speed m/t. I'm going to use my own C52 gearbox.

So will be continued soon.....

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post May 27, 2013 - 5:07 AM
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So has been a long time since the last updates but the engine is in for a week or 2 now!

I had to grab the power steering lines from a 4EFE Corolla and also took the reservoir of it. I used a part from the OEM power steering line from the Blacktop (it was ofcourse cut! frown.gif) and let a hydraulic company press it together with the Corolla power steering line. Its a great fit, you can see in the pictures below.

For the throttle cable i grabbed a cable from a 93-er Celica 5SFE from Rockauto. It's a bit long but besides that it's a nice fit. We've made an adapter plate for the throttle bracket so it cannot move.

For the igniter we've also made an adapter plate so that's also a nice fit. Going to paint it black later this week, so that it's completely finished! biggrin.gif

At the first startup we had 4 codes or so. IAT (not connected), MAP, TPS and some code i don't remember. After three double check the vacuum lines and connecting the IAT all the codes were gone except for the TPS code, 41.

And that one wouldn’t go away. I’ve bought a new tps, asjusted it with Blacktop manual, but still the code. It made me go crazy. Then i’ve decided to meausure the voltage at the ECU of the VTA and E2 connectors. They voltages should be around 0.3V @ idle and about 4.7V @ WOT. I’ve meausured 4.7 @ idle and 0.00V @ WOT. Hey that’s strange i thougt, look like it’s upside down or so. Double checked the manual if i mounted the sensor upside down, but i didn’t.
So later that evening i had a sudden inspiration. I remembered using the TPS connector from the 7AFE while that one is exactly the same. So i thought: are those pins located at the same position as the one of the 4AGE TPS??? So i went to bed and first thing in the morning was grabbing the manual and walk to the car. And YES!!!! found the problem! They’re located in the opposite way. So i’ve repinned the connector and gone is the code biggrin.gif

The engine runs a lot smoother now! Still running too rich, cause i can smell the fuel and hear some little backfires now and then. Also the starts are a bit difficult now and then. It seems to run on 3 cylinders for a second and then it runs fine.
Have to sort out what’s causing this. Maybe the O2 sensor had a hard time after the first starts with all the oil and residues of the painted parts wink.gif Have to check this out later on.

Also the valves are ticking a bit. But they were about 0.01-0.02 mm out of spec…meaning too loose. I’ve didn’t buy new shims while mostly the valves are tighten up after a few thousand km. So hopefully that’ll go away or otherwise i have to re-adjust them.

So the pictures:

New harness made by myself biggrin.gif:












Engine compartment:


power steering lines and reservoir:



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Posts in this topic
- onnaj   Onnaj's 1998 Celica ST to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion   Feb 16, 2013 - 2:00 PM
- - Smaay   you telling me there are no camrys, RX300, ES300, ...   Feb 16, 2013 - 2:15 PM
|- - Nihil   About blacktop - are you going to swap 7A-FE for 4...   Feb 16, 2013 - 4:56 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 16, 2013 - 8:15 P...   Feb 17, 2013 - 9:03 AM
- - richee3   What about a Toyota Harrier? Asking simply because...   Feb 16, 2013 - 6:22 PM
- - Dutch951   Interested in following this swap! Hope all go...   Feb 17, 2013 - 8:35 AM
- - onnaj   This is how the car is at the moment: I...   Feb 18, 2013 - 3:31 AM
- - onnaj   I've bought an old 7afe (without airco ) harne...   Feb 22, 2013 - 8:57 AM
- - onnaj   I've been very busy with cleaning and tearing ...   Mar 4, 2013 - 6:04 PM
- - celica74   While you have the motor out and rebuilding it, i ...   Mar 4, 2013 - 9:10 PM
- - onnaj   Maybe i'm going to do that in the future. That...   Mar 6, 2013 - 7:01 AM
- - Smaay   your logic escapes me but best of luck to you   Mar 6, 2013 - 3:30 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   how much does a helical lsd add to the s54 transmi...   Mar 7, 2013 - 1:13 AM
- - onnaj   I don't know exactly, but if i'd buy a Cel...   Mar 7, 2013 - 12:28 PM
- - onnaj   So i got a lot of stuff in today again 1) Piston...   Mar 18, 2013 - 1:11 PM
- - delusionz   sorry to go off topic but forget 7age, when you bu...   Mar 18, 2013 - 4:44 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (delusionz @ Mar 18, 2013 - 10...   Mar 19, 2013 - 8:22 AM
|- - rave2n   QUOTE (onnaj @ Mar 19, 2013 - 8:22 A...   Mar 20, 2013 - 11:40 AM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (rave2n @ Mar 20, 2013 - 5:40 ...   Mar 21, 2013 - 3:44 AM
- - delusionz   anyways, nice to see a blacktop in a Celica, sound...   Mar 18, 2013 - 4:49 PM
- - onnaj   try to add pictures tomorrow! New pistons, ne...   Mar 22, 2013 - 5:37 PM
- - onnaj   Yesterday we've mounted the oil pump and water...   Mar 24, 2013 - 4:54 AM
- - rave2n   Quick work! Never seen such detail inside thi...   Mar 24, 2013 - 9:46 AM
- - onnaj   Last week we have been busy again. And damn what w...   Mar 30, 2013 - 4:06 AM
- - onnaj   So cleaned the head up a bit with mr muscle, now i...   Mar 31, 2013 - 2:00 PM
- - playr158   Motor progress looks great! gotta love 20v goo...   Mar 31, 2013 - 2:34 PM
- - onnaj   So despite Eastern i was able to do a little work ...   Apr 1, 2013 - 10:20 AM
- - onnaj   So, been busy again. Yes it's almost looking a...   Apr 2, 2013 - 2:41 PM
- - enderswift   Good work. Rebuilding your own engine sure is sati...   Apr 2, 2013 - 4:50 PM
- - onnaj   This is really satisfying yes! And i know now...   Apr 3, 2013 - 6:50 AM
- - Legen-dary   Nice job trying something different! The black...   Apr 4, 2013 - 10:39 AM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (Legen-dary @ Apr 4, 2013 - 5...   Apr 4, 2013 - 3:04 PM
|- - Legen-dary   QUOTE (onnaj @ Apr 4, 2013 - 1:04 PM...   Apr 5, 2013 - 12:38 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (Legen-dary @ Apr 5, 2013 - 7...   Apr 5, 2013 - 3:29 PM
- - onnaj   Update time with better pix Have been really bus...   Apr 12, 2013 - 5:07 PM
- - onnaj   That was yesterday news to be honest. But i wanted...   Apr 12, 2013 - 5:15 PM
- - b22ri22an   porting and polishing my 5sfe head made a big diff...   Apr 14, 2013 - 3:50 AM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (b22ri22an @ Apr 14, 2013 - 10...   Apr 14, 2013 - 12:56 PM
- - onnaj   Time for another update: Have been busy a lot wit...   Apr 15, 2013 - 3:36 PM
|- - TheCreatorOf   QUOTE (onnaj @ Apr 15, 2013 - 3:36 P...   Apr 25, 2013 - 10:57 PM
- - celica74   how much fun did you have porting? this is how i f...   Apr 17, 2013 - 7:37 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (celica74 @ Apr 18, 2013 - 2:3...   Apr 18, 2013 - 1:49 AM
- - onnaj   Yes i'm happy!! Today the engine head ...   Apr 18, 2013 - 4:16 PM
- - onnaj   Updating time! Yesterday i've managed to ...   Apr 20, 2013 - 5:32 PM
- - cjh4l22   why you no c160?!   Apr 25, 2013 - 8:04 PM
- - Legen-dary   Um yeah, gloss black engine parts can look really ...   Apr 25, 2013 - 11:02 PM
- - onnaj   So has been a long time since the last updates but...   May 27, 2013 - 5:07 AM
- - SwissFerdi   Gefeliciteerd, gaaf.   May 27, 2013 - 6:36 AM
- - onnaj   Danku!   May 27, 2013 - 1:09 PM
- - cheela   awesome work! glad you figured everything out.   Jun 4, 2013 - 2:39 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (cheela @ Jun 4, 2013 - 9:39 P...   Jun 4, 2013 - 3:50 PM
|- - WannabeGT4   QUOTE (onnaj @ Jun 4, 2013 - 3:50 PM...   Jun 4, 2013 - 4:47 PM
- - onnaj   Because my car had a car appraisal today i cleaned...   Jun 9, 2013 - 3:18 AM
- - Legen-dary   Wow, it looks really nice! I like the rusty e...   Jun 9, 2013 - 4:41 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (Legen-dary @ Jun 9, 2013 - 1...   Jun 10, 2013 - 3:30 AM
- - onnaj   I had a pretty decent appraisal, don't know if...   Jul 1, 2013 - 5:51 AM
- - onnaj   For the interested people, i've just shot a mo...   Jul 6, 2013 - 9:38 AM
- - onnaj   Update after a long time: But important news.......   Aug 27, 2013 - 6:51 AM
- - cheela   sweet! post up another video after you put tho...   Aug 27, 2013 - 8:25 AM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (cheela @ Aug 27, 2013 - 3:25 ...   Aug 28, 2013 - 6:30 AM
- - onnaj   Some little updates...sorry no pictures this time ...   Sep 16, 2013 - 10:05 AM
- - onnaj   Long time no updates so here we go with some littl...   Jan 23, 2014 - 4:35 AM
- - pinsro   Could you time yourself doing a lets say 0-100 km/...   Jan 26, 2014 - 3:21 PM
|- - onnaj   QUOTE (pinsro @ Jan 26, 2014 - 9:21 ...   Jan 27, 2014 - 8:55 AM
- - SwissFerdi   I didn't know the car was electronically limit...   Jan 26, 2014 - 8:19 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   My beams ecu is original n with my 215/45R17 i was...   Nov 24, 2017 - 7:44 AM


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