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post Jul 26, 2018 - 5:13 AM
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I can only seem to recall hearing bad things about Spec clutches for some reason....


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post Nov 29, 2018 - 4:46 PM
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hello old friend.
its me.
tigawoods.
car was put into hibernation on 11/27
Now I sit and wonder what I is to be done to it before next season.

I briefly thought about F.I. on the BEAMS today. Both Turbo and SC would be around $2k to do (to tigawoods standards, but if the BEAMS can take a bit of F.I. on stock internals it'd be considerably less)
I then thought about terminating the BEAMS Engine Harness to a motorsport connector...and buying a 4TH Gen 3SGTE, which I would also have its harness terminated to the same style of connector. Close to $2k when all is said and done.

HOT SWAP MOTORS.

Crazy Idea?

Yes.

Would I ever go back to the BEAMS?

Who knows.


I am at a crossroad. One where each path leads to $2k+ modification options. Although, the cheapest path is the one where I continue sitting at the crossroad and don't spend anything.




Here is a pic. Its to celebrate 300k+ views and 100 pages. Idk who is still looking at this thread but keep doing what you are doing (dustin)



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post Nov 29, 2018 - 5:21 PM
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This interests me.
Have you looked at the gains for each setup and about how much each do you think?
If it's about $2k each then it just comes down to ease of parts/install and gains. but we all know you like to over-complicate things.






also, you pic is blurry.


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post Nov 29, 2018 - 8:45 PM
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Just go 2GR, or wait for Hux Racing to finish his E153/J32 plate adapter and go that route!
post Nov 29, 2018 - 8:58 PM
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QUOTE (TimeslideZ @ Nov 29, 2018 - 8:45 PM) *
Just go 2GRat route!


"Just go 2GR"

Have you looked at the thread on the 2GR swap thread and how much of a b!tch it is to put that thing in this car? laugh.gif
post Nov 29, 2018 - 10:22 PM
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i still lurk...not sure why...


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 8:58 AM
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I'm personally a fan of the boosted beams idea. But I think you have to somehow reduce the compression if you're looking for BIG power. The thread was deleted because dude got butt hurt that people were still making suggestions on his build, but MR2OC used to have a thread by Mandalay with like 200 pages where he SC the beams and made I think north of 350hp conservatively. The dyno information may still be in the dyno thread over there i'm not sure.

Morale of the story is, I've been considering the same thing. Can I boost mine, even though it has 11.5/1 CR, with something small, like 5-8 psi and get away with it and still have VVTI? Tough to say if the juice is worth the squeeze, but they are 4th gen rods after all.

I was looking at maybe a link ecu plug and play or a haltech elite 2500 with the adapter harness kits that would bridge over from 2jz harness to haltech ecu. What I don't know are the harness plugs the same size and shape between 2jz/3sgte/beams or whatever so that all you have to do is correctly program the pins on the ecu? 5s and 3sge are the same, so it's worth a shot if you wanted 1 ecu and adapter harness to run 2 engines, or good standalone control of boost and vvti for the BEAMS.

STILL looks great.
Keep it up.


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 10:05 AM
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QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Nov 30, 2018 - 7:58 AM) *
Morale of the story is, I've been considering the same thing. Can I boost mine, even though it has 11.5/1 CR, with something small, like 5-8 psi and get away with it and still have VVTI? Tough to say if the juice is worth the squeeze, but they are 4th gen rods after all.

I was looking at maybe a link ecu plug and play or a haltech elite 2500 with the adapter harness kits that would bridge over from 2jz harness to haltech ecu. What I don't know are the harness plugs the same size and shape between 2jz/3sgte/beams or whatever so that all you have to do is correctly program the pins on the ecu? 5s and 3sge are the same, so it's worth a shot if you wanted 1 ecu and adapter harness to run 2 engines, or good standalone control of boost and vvti for the BEAMS.

STILL looks great.
Keep it up.


It may work with the high compression using E85 assuming you have access to it, or like you said, low boost. You'll still maintain VVTi with a good standalone as a lot of new standalones are able to support it along with drive-by-wire now. It'll be costly, but the driving experience would probably put it on a whole new level.


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 12:41 PM
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whatever I do yeah, Im going to need a standalone. Its been first on the list for a while.

For the cost of everything (ems, turbo, custom manifold etc) I would like to save some $ and avoid lowering the compression. If I have to I have to but I would also rather stay away from E85 if possible.

Without a doubt I would want to run less than 10psi. Other than the good hardware I would make sure it gets a very VERY good tune. Since the motor would see more work than a standard run around street car I would want to make sure it holds up to the pressure (pun intended)

I bet if I were to just toss a 4th GTE in I would be sad that I have an OE unmodified motor. The aftermarket options are so readily available for it too.
To kinda compare. $2k for a complete swap installed VS probably est $4K to turbo the BEAMS (if done how id want)


Chances are nothing might be done this winter. Probably just a fuel surge tank to fight sloshing when racing

This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Nov 30, 2018 - 12:44 PM


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 1:42 PM
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QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Nov 29, 2018 - 7:58 PM) *
QUOTE (TimeslideZ @ Nov 29, 2018 - 8:45 PM) *
Just go 2GRat route!


"Just go 2GR"

Have you looked at the thread on the 2GR swap thread and how much of a b!tch it is to put that thing in this car? laugh.gif


Itís not, I can help, Iím around. I can remake the mount and pedal. Itís not rocket science. Itís not like anyone will go blind like I did. With no mechanical skills, I self taught welding and wiring. It takes determination

Boosting the beams is doable, but at what cost. Busted head gasket is expensive, have to order it, and internals are pricy too. 4th gen is the best option or k swap series


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 1:50 PM
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Still watching as well Mike.

I've always kicked around the idea of a 5SGTE BEAMS.... I remember seeing a video some years ago of a guy in Russia with one pushing 700hp. Sounds fun to me.


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 3:26 PM
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 30, 2018 - 1:42 PM) *
Boosting the beams is doable, but at what cost. Busted head gasket is expensive, have to order it, and internals are pricey too. 4th gen is the best option or k swap series

THIS
These are the things that keep me up and night. What to do and at what cost?

Ill probably just mess with the motor with a standalone. Thatll buy me some more time with the decision.


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 3:51 PM
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QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Nov 30, 2018 - 2:26 PM) *
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 30, 2018 - 1:42 PM) *
Boosting the beams is doable, but at what cost. Busted head gasket is expensive, have to order it, and internals are pricey too. 4th gen is the best option or k swap series

THIS
These are the things that keep me up and night. What to do and at what cost?

Ill probably just mess with the motor with a standalone. Thatll buy me some more time with the decision.


Thatís why I went 2gr, plenty engines are coming out now, if I fry one, toss it and get another low mileage one. No rebuild, no waiting for parts, no headaches.

Loved the beams, but I also wanted more.


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post Nov 30, 2018 - 10:59 PM
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The K-series wouldn't be a bad option either. Some MR2 powerhouse guys are using it since it's good.
Gotta run the e153; but Hux has their adapter plate you can get to make things easier.
Still need a custom mount (or two, don't remember); but I can clarify w/ the 6gc guy up here who has it in his.

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post Dec 1, 2018 - 2:14 AM
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we have a couple of NSXs down here running 800-900HP k-series swaps in their cars. crazy ****.


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post Dec 2, 2018 - 1:19 AM
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noo i was hoping you would do a 250--270hp build n/a beams motor. its not cost effective, but its so rare and cool...


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post Dec 2, 2018 - 9:26 AM
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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 2, 2018 - 12:19 AM) *
noo i was hoping you would do a 250--270hp build n/a beams motor. its not cost effective, but its so rare and cool...


Itís like healthcare, get your runny nose treated or toothache in the Er, vs going to the doc office. Itís cool to put on Facebook, but not cost effective, gains nothing...


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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 2, 2018 - 1:19 AM) *
noo i was hoping you would do a 250--270hp build n/a beams motor. its not cost effective, but its so rare and cool...


I'm currently in the process of building an NA beams redtop. The engine will be stroked and bored with bigger valves, ITB setup and other camshaft. I hope to see 270-280hp.
post Dec 3, 2018 - 9:12 AM
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just looked up K24A2 prices....Jesus they are so cheap lol ~$700....I was going to spend that much on just the fuel surge setup....



QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 2, 2018 - 1:19 AM) *
noo i was hoping you would do a 250--270hp build n/a beams motor. its not cost effective, but its so rare and cool...

Doesnt sound very track car friendly lol. Reliability is what Im kind of after here. The setup is pretty dependable right now. I would like to choose a path that will continue this trend.

QUOTE (abflug @ Dec 3, 2018 - 6:36 AM) *
I'm currently in the process of building an NA beams redtop. The engine will be stroked and bored with bigger valves, ITB setup and other camshaft. I hope to see 270-280hp.

good luck! Im curious to see how it pans out!

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post Dec 5, 2018 - 1:08 PM
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yea synchronizing the trumpets/itb is a pain and needs constant tuning from what i hear. yea eff it bro type r dc5 swap it.

but that trd altezza set up that outputs 270ps is so awesome. id love that engine for a dedicated track car.

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