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Oct 13, 2019 - 9:34 AM Forum: Website Discussion · Post Preview: #1103661 · Replies: 4 · Views: 103
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6gc seems to be on the edge of its end after these recent attacks, so here is FULL offline backup for anyone to use. This contains the lofi and hifi version of the site, as well as everything in it. A how-to-use is included as "readme"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p9zHbM9S03...OYlhmhYEe7/view

Please donate to Coomer, hes been hassling to keep this nearly decade and a half old site up as well as it has been.

Oct 11, 2019 - 2:30 PM Forum: General Discussion · Post Preview: #1103633 · Replies: 3 · Views: 365
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QUOTE (Box @ Oct 10, 2019 - 11:59 PM) *
Shame he'll never see this, it's pure coincidence like the last few times the forums managed to reboot on their own after enough time. NOW is the time to save everything important and move it off site, though I think I saw someone said they've done that now already.


How can I view all forum posts without searching though? Im running into an issue of 'cant view forum posts because theyre hidden unless i search' which just redirects me to the online site

Oct 11, 2019 - 2:16 PM Forum: General Discussion · Post Preview: #1103631 · Replies: 3 · Views: 365
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QUOTE (Box @ Oct 10, 2019 - 10:59 PM) *
Shame he'll never see this, it's pure coincidence like the last few times the forums managed to reboot on their own after enough time. NOW is the time to save everything important and move it off site, though I think I saw someone said they've done that now already.



It wasnt the entire page, only the landing page and redirects. Im on it now, might take a few days for me to upload the backup but if the site goes down until then, watch for my post on any of the major 6gc facebook pages, Ill make it readily available for everyone

Sep 14, 2019 - 12:25 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103590 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 14, 2019 - 11:41 AM) *
wiring is another issue. Its complicated but doable. I had to modyfy the rav 4 mount. Im using stock hood now.



Do you suppose I can contact you on how when the swap starts? By chance would any of your swap mods be up for sale?

Sep 14, 2019 - 12:23 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103588 · Replies: 2 · Views: 132
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QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 14, 2019 - 6:12 AM) *
nothing needed other than the correct mounts and brackets for the LH (Transmission) side and 205 shifter cables. 205 mount and bracket on the rear.
all the work for any "S" series engine (or 2gr for that matter ) will be on the RH frame rail.(by "all the work" i mean drill 2 holes)



Oh no kidding? Thats for specifically an e/s into an AT200?

Sep 13, 2019 - 9:08 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103583 · Replies: 2 · Views: 132
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Starting this thread as a side-off of the 2gr swap topic. Simple as the title goes, mounting diagrams, posts, how-to's, etc on the GT S54 / ST C56 / Camry E153. Of course itll be a manual swap, stock clutch and flywheel (unless there are better junkyard options)

Sep 13, 2019 - 8:54 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103582 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 13, 2019 - 2:22 PM) *
saul, before you commit, to a 2grfe read my post please.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...jccmd2002+2grfe

this post got lost because people were not interested.

the mr2 guys, followed a different path..

My car has a power steering pump from a camry, i had to buy pulleys and bearings, and simply a camry belt.

read my swap post...

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...jccmd2002+2grfe

dont overcomplicate things.


my engine is highlander with towing kit, and rav4 ecu unlocked by Frankenstein motorworks... ECu is in the OEM location.




Oh yes that second link does us good. The post seems like you got your parts all over the place though, did you pull the engine, ecu, and harness from the Rav4? Whatd you need to do with the wiring harness to get it to work? If I use Camry headers, Id just need a custom midpipe? And from what Im hearing, you just dropped it on the Rav4 mounts and welded custom frame brackets from there? No custom mounts or anything?

Id love to keep the stock hood too, GT4 anything is no easy feat to get my hands on. How bad is the clearance issue and can it be fixed with a big a** saw?
Alot of questions but this is good. I want to pioneer the ST 2gr if noone has already.

Sep 12, 2019 - 11:42 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103556 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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So to quote directly from this article: 2GRFE MR2


"donor parts (i got the whole lot from a non smart key 2006 Avalon with about 55k miles for 2500$)
- 2GRFE engine
- ECU
- Immobilizer computer (hides between the A/C and the firewall in the Avalon. requires full dash disassembly to get to)
- Immobilizer antenna. This just snaps onto the key cylinder and has a half dozen wires or so going to it
- OBDII connector. (Located at the driver's knees)
- Engine harness, this includes connector A, B & C to the ECU. no need for any of the fuse boxes.
- wiring harness pigtails for ECU connector D & E, the immobilizer pigtail & the immobilizer antenna pigtail
- THE IMMOBILIZER KEY. (this can be worked around but it takes a very cooperative dealer and it still is quite the pain in the rear)

New Parts
- 1MZ flywheel. I used a Fidanza 9.5lb - 300$
- High HP clutch. I used an Exedy stage 3 because I was not expecting this much HP from the motor. I was disappointed. Get a different one (I?m going for a Spec 3+ next) - 500$
- Tranny rebuild - ??$ (I haven't done the tranny stuff yet)
- 61.5" 7rib v-belt (advance carries it, Napa does not for some reason) - 60$
- fuel pressure regulator. i went with an Aeromotive regulator with gauge. The motor requires 43.5psi - 130$
- Toyota long life coolant - 70$


Optional Donor Parts
- Solara transmission for the stronger input shaft & better rear end ratio - ??$ (I haven't done the tranny stuff yet)
- NA mr2 tachometer face. - 60$ (this needs confirmed yet)
- 1mz tach from late 90's Avalon (6300RPM redline) - 40$ (this needs confirmed yet)
- You may want the volt gauge from the NA cluster also, but i plan on supercharging eventually so I am keeping the boost gauge.

Exhaust Parts
I went full custom here, this isn't 100% required but it frees up quite a bit of horsepower. I?m not going to list prices because stainless steel prices are very volatile and most people won't be able to make this themselves anyways which total changes the price. let's just say my exhaust cost me about 900$ for just the materials and my labour was free.

Other Parts
- Toyota Avalon Electrical Wiring Diagram Book - 25$
- Toyota MR2 Electrical Wiring Diagram Book - 15$
- M12x1.25 helicoil kit


Parts total: 4600$ (the thread said about 4k because I did not realize I needed another new clutch at that point in time)"





Will definitely be coming back to this plenty. Now reading off these 2gr swaps everyone seems to change out the clutch and flywheel kit. Is this really necessary for the E153? I know itd reduce wheel hp loss but I'm not looking to pull insane power from this build. Im trying to keep everything as "stock" as possible. If the engine and tranny runs good, Im dumping it into my car type stock

Sep 11, 2019 - 11:51 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103541 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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Oh and uh...sorry bout the men joke. I didnt realize you were a female

Sep 11, 2019 - 10:47 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103540 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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Okay so in that case, let this be the cumalitive record of a 2gr into an ST. What Im hearing is for the 2gr Ill need:

2gr-fe out of Camry/ES 350/Avalon etc. Newer 2gr's supposedly have better VVT-I along with a water-to-oil cooler
ECU from ? Ive read a few places that some 2gr models have immobilizers, Ill have to look into it more
E153 transmission from Solara
Custom harness
Axles - Most go GT outers and ST185 inners with spacers for mz (or other way around). What would work?
Drive by wire pedal assembly
Custom engine mounts
Custom headers

What else? Ill update the list more as I research. Ill hop around the forums and scout more info. Maybe the MR2 guys could shed some light

Sep 11, 2019 - 3:40 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103536 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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I really want to know how he got 8k out of it though. Alot of people are saying the engine costs 1500-2k standalone, no tranny or ECU.

Sep 11, 2019 - 3:36 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103535 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (Box @ Sep 11, 2019 - 3:16 PM) *
I don't think you fully comprehend the daunting task that's the 2GR into a Celica, if you've not read njccmd's thread front to back you need to because you're at half at what it cost him with that number: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=93458

The "easy V6" is the 1MZ, and the only ones I know of working are SnapshotGT's now owned by TimeslideZ and then Smaay's 1MZ/3MZ hybrid, all others got it into the car and "running" but never really drove it. So... yeah... It took a lot for njccmd to get the 2GR to work out, it's all in that thread, and as far as I know his is the ONLY ONE documented. It's easy to talk about doing these swaps, or even think you know what to do from reading things on the internet, but reality is much harsher than that.

Also I wouldn't suggest a MKIII Supra either, it's old and the 7M is limited and has its share of problems. If you want a "Supra on a budget" then get a SC300/400 as they're newer and more viable, and the MKIV Supra was based on them so all the MKIV Supra aftermarket parts works on them. You can find a '98-00 SC400 and do a W58 manual conversion and have a very nice car with 300 horsepower, and it's step-by-step documented and even comes in DIY kits. Or if you don't want the V8 there's always the SC300 that's stupid easy to swap the 2JZ-GE for the 2JZ-GTE, and they came with manuals as an option(albeit a scant 3,800 of them).

You say you need a reliable daily with A/C and don't want to spend too much on the swap, and it seems like most aspects of a custom swap are new to you. Hence my suggestions, you'd be far better off just getting a car that comes from the factory the way you want it. Even if you were ace at custom swaps and got everything at the best prices possible, you'd be hard pressed to break even over a comparable car that came that way from the factory. There's a reason why most of us here have moved on from our Celicas, or those that still have them have them as a project car.


And that last line speaks for itself. YES i realize how difficult its gonna be, Ive helped my buddy swap a 3mz into his TC, theres even more of a following with v6 swaps on the forums than 6gc and it was hard enough as is. I told you, Im dead set on getting a v6 into my Celica. If I want to blow triple my budget and rip out my hair then I will, and if I end up selling it Im 100% just buying another Celica. Plus Supras are a dime a dozen here, easily available repairs compared to Celi. Youre on a Celica forum though, post how to swap a v6, not how to buy another car.

Sep 11, 2019 - 1:36 AM Forum: Website Discussion · Post Preview: #1103526 · Replies: 0 · Views: 117
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Almost every PhotoBucket pic as of recently has been blurry. Sometimes I can click them and see the unblurred version on PB, but more often than not they look like this

https://gyazo.com/1b02a4a7e1fc9768a94f6a421649e855

Fyi its a screenshot link since I dont know how to post photos

Sep 10, 2019 - 9:23 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103524 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (Box @ Aug 21, 2019 - 12:20 AM) *
Mounting is different for the A series engine and C series transmission, the wiring is different too. The GT has S series engine mounting and the S series transmission can be reused, the wiring can be reused for the BEAMS and 3S-GTE with mild additions/altercations. The ST has smaller brakes and drums in the rear, so that's a serious consideration when you're doubling power or more. I've been there done that, had a ST and the added complications weren't worth it. It's infinitely better to just start with a GT that already has all the fundamentals in place versus spending the money and doing the work to a ST.


Brakes are ez, I can find a rear disk GT pair for under 200. Howd you do the tranny mounts for the ST?

Sep 10, 2019 - 9:20 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103523 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (Box @ Sep 10, 2019 - 8:03 PM) *
The 7A is actually lighter, it's a fair bit lighter than the 5S-FE which is more on par with all aluminum V6 engines. It's like everyone thinks the Miata 1.6-1.8 are anchors because they're iron block but they're not, fully dressed is like 320 pounds and I'd suspect around the same for the 7A since it's a smaller block like they are, versus iron block I4 engines like the 2.2 5S-FE and 2.4 KA24DE that're 400 pounds. Then if you go with an E153 that's even more weight over the C56 than the S54 might be. I could find the exact number if I felt like digging for it, but there is a good 100+ pounds that the GT has over the ST and the only difference is in the drivetrain and brakes and the GT 15" alloys weigh less than the ST 14" steels.

It sounds like your ambitions are bigger than your capabilities if you're worried about having to learn to weld or shell out for custom headers, that's the least of your worries with any of the V6 swaps much less the 2GR. It may seem like I'm trying to deter you, and to a degree I am, since I don't want yet another person to jump head first into one of these swaps thinking it'll be something easy and cheap they can do in a weekend. You'd be far better off leaving the ST as is and getting a GT for swapping, project cars and daily drivers don't go hand in hand.

That or if you're set on a V6 there are plenty of good cars that come with them already, like the 350Z and Accord Coupe.


Thats whimp talk, we are real men out here, with big engines and small weenies.

On the real I just dont want to blow 15k on the swap because of custom fab. The entire purpose of the build was to see what crazy thing I can do with it next, so Im pretty set on getting a V6 into my Celi. I realize its gonna be alot but Ive already done some pretty ambitious projects with it, including painting with it a roller. I can source a 2gr fully outfitted for about 600, another 400 or so for the E153 transmission. The sourced build would be around 1500 (axles, mounts, etc; not including the GT4 pieces) from my local LKQ U-Pull-It, anything more is additional. Wiring harness is probably another 500. Custom engine mounts would be 200 or so each? So at the end of this the project will be around 3-4k by my estimates. Of course realistically itll be 5-6, but even still, 2-8-0 WHEEL na horsepower would be insane. To make that kind of power from a 7afe would take way more and be unreliable, 3sgte would be around the same price but I stated why I shouldnt above. A V6 just seems logical, a 2gr seems right

Sep 10, 2019 - 12:18 AM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103510 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (TimeslideZ @ Aug 20, 2019 - 11:30 PM) *
Coming from a 1MZ, you will need a custom passenger mount, GT4 mounts on the rear and driver side, and then a front GT motor mount. Plus custom Y-pipe too. If you go the 3MZ, you'll also be dealing with a lot more electronics (like drive by wire vs 1MZ throttle cable).

Like Casey said, Smaay w/ his hybrid swap is a good one to look into. That way you get the 3.3L but don't need to worry about 3MZ electronics when you're running the 1MZ electronics. It'll be lot more work than getting the S54 and GT mounts to swap a 3SGTE; but you'll have the "ease of junkyard parts" since those motors are much more common.

Here's some more info on the 3SGTE swap (it also includes the other swaps too): http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=28825

If you somehow don't go for the "simple enough" you can look into njccmd2002's build thread, who's car currently houses a 2GR in it: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=93871

There's a guy up here in MN that I know and he's got a K24 in his Celica (he's pushing like 450hp)! He's running the adapter plate from HUX RACING for the K20/K24 to the E153. He's running custom mounts; BUT not on all of them (I think). I can say he's gone through a couple outer axles using the hybrid setup (3/year)

If you go the e153, be prepared for the hybrid axle setup (MR2 inner, ST185 ALLTRAC outer, possible spacer on passenger side). A bit of a headache to read but: http://www.6gc.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t80587.html



My problem with the 3sgte is the turbo aspect. I live in Florida where the heat is killer. I expect to use this car as a daily once its done so I need reliability (Thinking of buying a mk3 Supra in the meantime smile.gif). Plus a 2gr is 6 cylinders yet still lighter than my 7afe while still putting 280 to the wheels. How did you go about doing the custom mount? My biggest worry with this is having to learn to weld. Also what did you do for headers? I know Y pipe back will have to be custom but the cost of custom headers make my tummy hurt

Sep 10, 2019 - 12:05 AM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103509 · Replies: 9 · Views: 376
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I'm looking to do a 2gr swap myself in the near future. Ive got a 96 ST, would that make it any more difficult than it already was? Also about how much would it cost? Ive got a U Pull It right nearby that I can grab full engines from for 600 biggrin.gif

Aug 20, 2019 - 10:13 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103249 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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QUOTE (Box @ Aug 19, 2019 - 2:21 PM) *
Could do a 1MZ/3MZ hybrid, forum member Smaay can tell you all about it. For what it's worth any swap you undertake will be difficult because of it being a ST, except for maybe the 4A-GZE and even that one has its quirks from what I recall. A GT would make a much better base for swapping rather it's 1MZ/3MZ or 3S-GE BEAMS or the 3S-GTE but especially the 3S engines as they're more or less a direct replacement for the 5S, and the S54 transmission can be used on all the above to hold you until getting an E153 and with the BEAMS the S54 would be best anyway I believe. Depending on your uses and needs it's probably best to keep the ST as is for a fun and efficient daily then look into finding a GT for swapping.


Why would it be any harder? Theyre all just fwd drop in swaps essentially. Not a dramatic amount of custom work aside from the usual wiring and exhaust right? I could always pull parts from my local junkyards if I need anything GT

Aug 20, 2019 - 10:07 PM Forum: Suspension/Handling/Braking · Post Preview: #1103248 · Replies: 2 · Views: 138
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Hear me out, I have no clue what Im doing. Is it possible to put say Corolla coilovers on a Celica? Even other cars too? I realize itd take some custom work but what would that ensue? Im asking because variety in decent coilovers for the Celica are rare now, or very expensive. 1500 is a bit much for me since I payed dirt for the car. Thanks for any answers

Aug 19, 2019 - 12:57 PM Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #1103227 · Replies: 31 · Views: 1,355
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Ive been really debating as of lately what I want to do with my ST. The 1.8 liter supposedly can put out solid horsepower with only forged rods and basic tuner upgrades on boost, but Ive been thinking about more torque with NA horsepower. An LS swap would be cool as sh*t but lets face it, too much work in a car not made for it. So a fwd V6 from Toyota is my next best bet, heres some of my choices.

3mz-fe w/ e153 - Best candidate with highest HP/TQ, but people say the motors are no good for boost unless you dump 3k to building the block. Any truth to this?
1mz - Numbers are too low, doesnt seem worth it in comparison to the others. Why or why not?
5vz-fe w/ e153 - Supposedly better for boost? Need confirm on it
2gr/1gr? - No idea how that would work.

I want to keep it FWD. Something "simple enough" to swap in and work day to day.
Which would be the easiest to source junkyard parts (axles, housings, whatever), providing the most reliable performance without sacrificing daily drivability? Ive heard a few people say 1mz/3mz are the easiest to fit in the bay while the 5vz is the most plug-and-play with the wiring. Or should I stick with a boosted 4 cylinder, maybe do something crazy like a K swap? This is all hypothetical, the build wont be for a while so keep it light. Im inexperienced compared to some of the old heads on here, but dang would a V6 Celica be fun. Im 100% in love with this platform, so in my opinion anything is worth the effort on it.

Aug 10, 2019 - 9:03 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #1103106 · Replies: 8 · Views: 797
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Aug 10, 2019 - 2:34 PM) *
You know, I had another idea just now. Take the lens off the high beam and, if you don't mind possibly doing the project again in a few years because eBay quality, glue in a small amber or warm white side firing LED strip into the lamp just ahead of the bowl at the top of the housing. You'd only need a small hole to fish the wires through and just wire both to the parking lights.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-Amber-30cm-12-3...xQAAOSweBFcjGrG
You can cut that to fit the area you're working with, cut between the pairs of copper pads. That would put amber glow into the high beams whenever the parking lights or head lights are on. White LED's never match whatever color the headlights are so I suggest amber.


Seems doable. Are you saying to put the light here? How would it reflect out like a normal beam light?

Aug 7, 2019 - 4:24 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #1103055 · Replies: 8 · Views: 797
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Aug 5, 2019 - 10:20 PM) *
You could install some parking lights into the high beam bowls to give them a light glow at night without being illegal or looking like the high beams are on all the time, that would be the simplest way. But you still need to pull the lights off the car, drill things that aren't meant to be drilled, add wiring, etc etc. If you're versed in doing lighting modifications it's not very hard but if this is your first go with something like this I'd highly advise grabbing a spare pair of lights to work on/experiment with first so you can get a handle on what you're doing.


How would I go about doing something like that? What would I wire the parking lights into, and where would I put them in relative terms to the hi beam bulb? Any tutorials or builds to reference? I might go this route, seems simple enough.

Aug 5, 2019 - 5:44 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #1103012 · Replies: 8 · Views: 797
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I love the look of my 6gen but I really hate how only the outside headlights light up. Takes away from the 4 eye look whenever I see my reflection on another car. Now I know that messing with headlights can be sketchy or illegal or whatever, but I was thinking of having an adjustable hi beam switch? I want to have a two setting switch so I can flip on my low beams with hi beams in "low power" mode, and a setting for normal hi beams. What would I need and how would I do it? If its done right then there shouldnt be any conflict with road laws either, since the hi beams would still function normally when in the high power setting


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