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Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 25, 2011 - 11:35 PM

hi guys, well i swapped a beams in my celi and its loads of fun, but of course parts are rare, and problematic to fix.

Just to give you an idea, the gasket set is 400 usd, so i dont even think of popping it open.

But 95CelicaST got me inspirated about the V6, and face it 270 is appealing, and parts are galore here...

Well i know the 3sgte is the bomb, the Beams is great. But why cant we play with our stuff here.

Maybe start a shopping list, like the exact parts needed... IDK, its something only 2 6gc owners have explored..

Shopping list edited so far: This is from multiple websites, i will basically edit as i go along... keep info here... most info was obtained from GUOKY's research

edited 6-14-2014 what i have done for me....

Posted by: Success21 Jan 26, 2011 - 12:11 AM

I think V6 is the way to go especially if you go 2gr. The motors will just become more plentiful as time goes on unlike the 3s since they have to be shipped here. The mr2

guys are hooking there 2gr's up to E153. If I'm correct that means it would bolt up to your s54.the only hard part would be everything else haha. but I'm sure members

here would be glad to give you a hand. the basics from what I can see is you need a special flywheel and clutch set up which the mr2 guys probably know what you need.

Fab up some mounting brackets then see what needs to be routed where. Custom axles, custom wiring if you don't want to take that on i think (DR. Tweak) could help you

out. In the beginning it will be a headache but once it finish it would be awesome.


I am no where near an expert on our cars or doing motor swaps in general i wish i did. But in the future when I have my own personal garage I want to attempt a

2gr/E154f (manual out of a gt4) swap on an 03-08 matrix awd (auto). Right now I have an 03 matrix xr fwd to do the swap I would prefer to have the awd model to start.

well good luck with your build dude!!

Posted by: stephen_lee Jan 26, 2011 - 12:22 AM

all v6s bolt to the s54, but you want an e153.

axles:
s54: gt
e153: mr2 inner, 91 camry v6 outer, spacer

mounts:
s54: all gt except passenger(custom)
e-series: st205 rear, gt front/driver, custom passenger

Posted by: Smaay Jan 26, 2011 - 1:30 AM

stock tranny wont hold that 2GR power

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 26, 2011 - 1:40 AM

well depends, the s54 from a beams may do well since some have lsd. And the s54 has seen the 5sfte, may not be the most adequate but may just do well...

it will be something fun, im seeing a lot of jdm engines in the market, im trying to stay with a us engine..

dunno, maybe start researching for a rear ended car..

www.copart.com

Posted by: presure2 Jan 26, 2011 - 8:24 AM

[cough] bullsh*t[cough]
i've ran 320ftlbs thru my tranny, at the track, and on the street for years.

its all about the driver, and how you take care of your stuff.



2gr or bust.
custom passanger mount, custom crossmember, lots of wiring (we're talking drive by wire here folks) and call it done.

for the guy who's ballsy enough to try it first, carefull review of which chassis it comes out of and weather or not it has an immobilizer ECU is paramount.
guys over on mr2oc have been going back and forth with that crap for the past couple years.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 26, 2011 - 9:42 PM

with the 2gr why would it need a custom crossmember if we are using the s54.

So what are the guys using as a base chassis, a Camry? i bet id be fun to have engine immobilizer and all that crap! 5 - 6 grand?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 27, 2011 - 1:08 AM

http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=43884

Posted by: Stambo Jan 27, 2011 - 9:27 PM

question about this, this 2gr is a newer motor correct? What about the problems with programing the ecu. I feel newer engines need the exact vin programed into the ecu otherwise the engine will not run. correct? I just feel like that whole situation with the ecu and programming it would be a major headache. I know a few manufacturers are doing this to avoid swapping of ecu's and what not.

Posted by: Smaay Jan 27, 2011 - 11:18 PM

you feel? some 2GR-FEs have an immobilizer meaning you need the key for the ECU, but the old ones you dont.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 28, 2011 - 1:56 AM

you just have to get a clip. buy a rear ended car from an auction. Period.

Posted by: presure2 Jan 28, 2011 - 7:56 AM

im not sure you would have to, just assumed it'd be a snapshot kinda deal.

that engine immobilizer is a BIG hassle. guys on the mr2 forums try to avoid them like the plauge.

wiring will be the nightmare of the swap, but im sure tweak could handle it, or the guy on mr2oc that also does harness work.

whos gonna be the first to have the balls to pony up?

once you fab up a proper passanger side mount, and a set of headers, the rest of getting the motor in the bay should be cake.
the question is will the hood close?

:edit:
just to add abit more info to the disscussion, it seems from poking around the net some, that alot of the guys that use the 2gr, end up with early rav4 ecus' that do not have the immobilizer.
they are having a hell of a time trying to find a work around for the later avalon and camry ecus that have the immobilizer programming.
there are a couple of guys out there who have access to the propriatary toyota "techstream" programers that havent been able to get the non immobilizer vins to work in a immobilizer equipped ECU (apparently, all the newer toyota flashes are VIN based, which makes sense)

http://www.mr2oc.com/forumdisplay.php?f=188

heres a good thread with alot of good "general information" on the 2gr

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=366606

theres lots more there too. if your not a member, you really should be.

Posted by: 95CelicaST Jan 28, 2011 - 10:30 AM

Yay! I inspired someone!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 28, 2011 - 1:13 PM

you guys are crazy, i guess its something to start researching then...

Posted by: Success21 Jan 28, 2011 - 1:15 PM

This might be kind of newb question but what if you ran a standalone could you bypass the immobilizer? I know its alot of money for a standalone but it be worth it so you don't have all that trouble and you can get a newer motor?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 28, 2011 - 1:22 PM

see all you have to do is know what to look for..

http://www.copart.com/c2/onSaleResults.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e1s2&lotId=25422890&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS

Posted by: SwissFerdi Jan 28, 2011 - 1:31 PM

In order to contribute to this thread, I love the idea of a V6 Celica. If I were to do a swap, I think it'd be only to swap in something halfway ludicrous - a V6, a 4A-GZE, or maybe build me a monster BEAMS or maybe a built 7A-FTE (7A-FZE? )? Anyway, any research done toward such ventures is cool with me. Especially because it might help in the future!

Posted by: stephen_lee Jan 28, 2011 - 2:36 PM

*drool* awd v6.... yes please?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 28, 2011 - 5:23 PM

it will be done, believe me, im tired of the old stuff, need something new. and chop chop cars is fun, believe me. But for a good reason ill do it again.

once i finish with at least of one of the 1st gens and get this out of the way!



thats the official Put your Clip spot in my house.... LOL

Posted by: FORGMANN Jan 29, 2011 - 3:02 AM

Well lets see i have a 94 celica shell and a 2gr and
eb61 6 spd from 08 Auris I imported last yr. (same as
Evora gearbox)

I will drop in soon to test fit but that motor is going into
my mr2 later in yr.

2gr is amazing but it is not cheap to fit and highly suggest
using a E series gearbox. Budget at least 5k+ to do swap

Parts so far for me
2gr (2010 w/ 200miles) and all the extras $2000
EB61 (9,000 miles) $550 shipped from UK (2 day shipping)

Swap is worth it if have money and resources to do it
right. It is taller that 1MZ so hood clearance will gave to
be addressed.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jan 29, 2011 - 2:01 PM

I have a 6 grand budget for this.... (9972021) << dont pay attention to this

I have gt4 hood, so that may help to a certain degree, if not fiberglass with a scoop, LOL

The transmission worries me, but if my s54 has lsd may help. Ill worry about that later. I dont know if my beams has lsd(thats sad!)

I just need to find a 2gr with no immobilizer, aka Rav4 from what i hear... ( need a rear ended car?)

wiring will be done by phoenix or mr220v, ill do the swap.

just need to mock a passenger side mount then have it built in aluminum or something..

gouky apparently has some nice headers.

Any shop can finish the exhaust.

all ineed to start is the engine.. Time to start looking.

Its a go!





http://mrtwo.mine.nu/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22636

Posted by: 95CelicaST Jan 29, 2011 - 2:12 PM

Such a tasty motor...

Posted by: nics Jan 30, 2011 - 1:45 AM

i wish that there is a like button!

super like!

Posted by: Smaay Jan 30, 2011 - 4:31 PM

i wonder if the AEM EMS will run this engine, i dont see any reason it wont. a self built patch harness so all the sensors can be read. i think it will be similar to getting it to run the 5S-FTE. I really need to finish that.

Posted by: presure2 Jan 30, 2011 - 4:55 PM

can the AEM control VVTI or whatever the hell its called X4?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Feb 13, 2011 - 12:06 AM

rescuing this thread from the dead, highlanders may make the best donors for this swap. there might be a problem with the exhaust, and pedal, but nothing a little fab wont be able to do...

Most of the parts need to be obtained separately, the guys at MR2OC have got it all pretty figured out....

Posted by: delusionz Feb 13, 2011 - 12:14 AM

Wow ideas. 2GR would be the SH*T!!!!!

So how wide would the smile on my face be if some how my ST205 was packin a 2GR-FE with a cable driven throttlebody, TRD supercharger and standalone engine management system? is this possible?

Posted by: Smaay Feb 14, 2011 - 11:06 AM

i do believe that the V2 AEM EMS can. i know that some are running it on 7th gen celicas. but it has the be run in parallel with the stock computer. the EMS runs the engine and the stock ECU runs the gauges

Posted by: FORGMANN Feb 15, 2011 - 10:38 PM

Rogue motorsports is a big mr2 tuner in UK they have built 3 or 4 MK3 mr2s (spyders) race cars and most us Link ecu.Thor in UK had to
work out maps for VVTI and give to info to Link from what i have heard.

Here in this video all the spyders have a 2gr and look how silver on destroys everyone off the line .. I have a 95na i am seriously thinking
about installing my 2gr into a spyder instead after seeing this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8CMgK8Z5A

Posted by: presure2 Feb 16, 2011 - 8:25 PM

i wanna see this get done VERY badly.

berto, if i can help in any way, please dont hesitate to ask.
if you can mock one up, i have some very good resources for custom machine work.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Feb 17, 2011 - 4:19 PM

yes, let me finish whitey, so i can make space in the garage...

I rather not work this outside...

Posted by: 96stgreendemon Feb 28, 2011 - 9:07 PM

Just had an opiphany, was putting washer fluid in the folks highlander and got to looking at the 2GR, and now i really want to see this done, hel7 that engine hauls in the big highlander, i couldnt imagine what it would do in a celica, im going to have to do some reading, i would love to do this swap, subscribed to this thread

Posted by: Betta-J Mar 7, 2011 - 11:38 PM

bump...

I wanna get this done too...will have the budget for it soon.

(Truthfully, I want someone to do a AWD V8 Celica--Toyota Sequoia engine...but I guess that won't be possible so...)

I'm in South Bay, if anyone wants to help me do this when I got the money, please PM me...or invite me to your Fab days so I can watch and learn.

Posted by: yellowchinaman Mar 10, 2011 - 3:54 PM

Having a V6 2GRFE is already a very tight fit. I doubt you can fit a V8 without cutting into the firewall.
I too am on the hunt from a 2GRFE From a RX45H but can't imagine this being an easy install also it's still a very new car so not many are up for breaking.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 10, 2011 - 4:40 PM

all i can say is patience.. right now, my 1gc takes precedence.

Posted by: yellowchinaman Mar 10, 2011 - 5:15 PM

Then again a 2GR-FSE has a few more hourses....

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 10, 2011 - 10:32 PM

yeah, but im happy with 200 now, a 40% increase will be awesome.

Posted by: SupraKid Mar 10, 2011 - 11:38 PM

1uz or bust

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 11, 2011 - 1:08 AM

ignorance is a bliss

Posted by: 95CelicaST Mar 11, 2011 - 1:25 AM

X2

Posted by: SupraKid Mar 11, 2011 - 1:39 AM

How is that ignorant? Please "school" me to how the the 2gr would be a better swap than a 1uz(if the 1uz were feasible in our cars).

Posted by: 95CelicaST Mar 11, 2011 - 1:55 AM

1uz - heavy, and slower. ~170whp and 230ish torque on a 1uz (I dynoed two sc400's on Saturday). The 2gr has that beat by over 100whp. Its got more torque too, I just can't remember exact numbers.

Just because it has two more pistons doesn't mean its better. Research is your friend.

Posted by: SupraKid Mar 11, 2011 - 1:56 AM

Obviously something was up with those, as the 1uzs stock should make at LEAST 200whp stock. And if you were to invest in a vvti then youd make the same amount if not more than a 2g, not to mention the sky is the limit with those engines. In a celica it wouldnt be practical but if your just talking engines then IMO the 1uz would be above the 2g.

Also if you have a dyno sheet of a stock 2gr doing 270whp+ id love to see it.

Posted by: 95CelicaST Mar 11, 2011 - 2:01 AM

You can make any motor have ungodly amounts of power, that doesn't make it better. The 2gr is better technology, better economy, better design, better power, etc.

1uz is a pile of crap.

Class dismissed.

Posted by: SupraKid Mar 11, 2011 - 2:11 AM

Good job supporting or proving anything you said in your previous post. And sorry if I didn't make it simple enough for you to understand, making more power is much easier and cheaper using a 1uz than a 2gr. And yes the 1uz is a pile of crap, you are so right, your word is fact.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 11, 2011 - 2:20 AM

I had a 1uzfe and a 1grfe. I take the grfe 10 times in a rainy day with vomit on my car seats.

The uz is a great swap for one that wants to waste money, and wants torque..

We are talking about a celica swap here, so how could be 1uzfe be that great.

Sorry Kiddo, let the big men talk about swaps.

Posted by: yellowchinaman Mar 11, 2011 - 9:54 AM

ok lets keep this clean people.
I think this is more exciting because it's a "never been done before" and it's a new engine which shows a lot of potential.

Posted by: FORGMANN Mar 11, 2011 - 10:26 AM

Here is Marc's (Gouky on MR2OC) 2grfe sw20 dyno run .. He is first guy into install in to a sw20 and
makes the install kits. On a side not may not headers anymore due to lack of sales and high upfront
cost to have made.

Its i a known fact all the the sw20's are showing 270-280 rwhp with Goukys headers.. Many dyno sheets
mr2oc,twobrutal,etc...

I have the motor and 6spd ready to install now into 94 shell but here is my issue.I already own a ST205
so not sure if i want to due a 2gr celica. Plus i own a 95 hardtop mr2 but it needs major body work.

Posted by: 95celgt Mar 11, 2011 - 10:50 AM

2gR.....................DO IT! both of you....

FORGMANN, having a 95 sw20 is the shizznit correct? IIRC thats the rarest year production number wise.
If you want you could ship the car down here and have all the body work done for CHEAP + full paint job.

Posted by: yellowchinaman Mar 13, 2011 - 4:53 PM

I see an engine from a ISF I wander if it fits?

Posted by: Betta-J Mar 29, 2011 - 7:53 PM

bump

Posted by: njccmd2002 Mar 29, 2011 - 9:05 PM

soon.. once i start, it will go on my progress thread... I will probably get the parts around summer to start winter. I want to use the BEams in Summer...

Posted by: 95CelicaST Mar 30, 2011 - 12:26 PM

See, it's all about the LF-A motor. A V10 that is the same size as a typical Toyota V6. It's possible.... just wait around for someone to wreck...

Posted by: yellowchinaman Jun 5, 2011 - 9:12 AM

ok I'm after a clip but having problems finding the correct engine.
The 2grFE are used in quite a few Lexus cars. Which car should I look out for and which version of the engine?
I'm not 100% sure but I think the FX450h has the newest version but they're hard to find.
There are more available from the IS350 and that has a AWD tranny but finding technical information on the Lexus is difficult. The Mr2 boys use a 2006 Avalon engine but is that better than the IS350?
Also aside from finding which version of the 2GRFE's which one can be mated directly to the ST205 tranny?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jun 5, 2011 - 9:16 AM

little that i know is some people recommend the highlander and the rav 4, with other miscellaneous pieces.. i have to log in to mr2oc and copy from the post i made and got noobed....

it will be great for you to open the way for this swap.. I still would like to do this but my interest has gone almost all on a



which is already bought an on its way to daddy...

Posted by: yellowchinaman Jun 5, 2011 - 10:02 AM

four-cylinder double overhead camshaft 18RG engine is a classic! Why did you buy that and what are your plans for it?
I've contacted woodsport who did the MR2 transplant for some advice. Arrantly mating the engine to the E153 tranny isn't a problem at all aside from 1 bolt alignment.
However we are limited to getting hold of that engine here in the UK as we mainly have Rav4's which are mostly 4 cyliners as they're cheaper than the v6 and 2008+ Toyota Highlander and RX350's are still pretty new and not many up for scraps.

Posted by: yellowchinaman Jun 12, 2011 - 4:54 AM

ok so I've found one at a god price from Australia and waiting to get a quote for a pallet to be shipped to me.
I was told the measurements where 700mm wide x 600mm long x 600mm high. Think it'll fit?
I've spoken to Woodsport and they said it may be tight for the transfer box. No mention about steering rack as someone by someone in this forum before.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jun 12, 2011 - 9:43 AM

guess well have to see, if you get it before me let me know.

Posted by: mandrek Sep 2, 2011 - 5:37 AM

with all of the talk in this tread abot this awsome motor, i am suprised that i did not see the REAL question that needs to be asked, or interest poked.... 2GR-FE on the gt4 AWD!!! AND the celica bay has ALOT more room for a turbo!!! best combo IMO!!!

(i also have a 91 sw20 and have been closely following the 2grfe devleopment on mr2oc.com, and there are 3 members on mr2oc that have been doing ALOT of development for/with this motor in just the lst 6 months alone! [gouky's new fuel rails and upgraded injectors!!! ])

imo the availibility of this motor being found in the dirt cheap "you-pull-it's" like crazy-rays (DC/Balt area) is going up, as the life of this motor in the toyota lineup is now hitting its high point. and that is the BEST way for you to get a "cheap" motor. (most of these types of places will sell the motor w/ no acc, "as is" for anbout $150). It might take a wile, and need to spend many weekends there, but the stuff that you will learn, and the reduced cost of the swap would be well worth the time spent. hell, for most this swap takes about a year to do start to finnish (ish). this is definatly not for a DD...

Posted by: mr220v Sep 7, 2011 - 8:36 AM

I'm doing a 2gr swap right now in my brother's 93 mr2.

We're looking at a total budget on the swap of around $3000. I'm modifying a set of honda v6 headers. They seem to be about 80% correct for use with the 2gr. I'm doing the wiring, the exhaust, and the motor mount, he's doing the installation (the grunt work). My brother plans to daily drive this car. There really is no reason not to.

There should be no reason why this can't be done in the Celica. You could probably even use your existing s53, or whatever S transmission you happen to have.....though S transmissions are marginal for use with the 2gr. There might be some clearance issues to contend with. Somebody would have to install one to figure that out.

Posted by: Smaay Sep 7, 2011 - 9:14 AM

I have also been watching all the traffic on MR2oc. what i want to know is what 2GR is the best to use? RAV4? all the talk about immobilizers gets me concerned. also what about he wiring? what is involved for body harness?

Posted by: bloodMoney Sep 7, 2011 - 11:42 AM

The thing that we need to contend with is the lack of vertical clearance in the celica engine bay. If the MZ barely clears the hood, what's to say that the taller GR will fit? can someone get some measurements of the motors for some benchmarking?

I'm itching to do this swap hardcore, but there is still a lot that needs to be addressed before I can take on a project like this. As my 6g is my DD, I can't do the necessary research required to answer my own questions, let alone the ones in this thread.

Posted by: mandrek Sep 7, 2011 - 2:24 PM

ask and you shall recive!!!

only mods done are the ones nessisary to do the swap.. IE: full exahust, and intake.. oh and eliminating the slush-box
this is one of toyot's best flowing motors in the head/intake manifold, toyota sqeezed the hell out of its ability to breath with a sevierly restrictive exhaust. that coupled with a very heavy slushbox = the rated HP that this motor gets when in "true" stock form...
again, this is ONLY with "mods" that it takes to do the swap.. NOTHING els..

oh and gouky's VERY in-depth thread
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=332390

Posted by: mandrek Sep 7, 2011 - 2:29 PM

oops. did not see that FORGMANN had already posted the sheet..

Posted by: mr220v Sep 8, 2011 - 11:46 AM

I have wired for about a dozen of these in mr2's. All of my harnesses have been based off of the 2plug harnesses for use with the nonimmobilized rav4 ecu. The 2plug camry engine harnesses are ok to use with the rav4 ecu. For the basic motor, you can use just about any 2gr you can get your hands on.

Posted by: Smaay Sep 8, 2011 - 12:06 PM

^^^ thanks for the response, now how much different will the wiring be in a 6th gen. there are big differences between ODB1 SW20s and ODB2 celicas. plus CA smog BS! i couldnt have any CEL on. i know that in toyotas the 2GR is only mated to an auto, but what about the lotus evora? its a 6 speed manual. so thats my loophole for mounting it to a manual tranny

Posted by: mr220v Sep 8, 2011 - 12:26 PM

The automatic tranny codes kill the rav4 ecu for California. That and the stock 2gr exhaust manifold interferes with the clutch slave cylinder, so you're stuck with headers, another problem for CA.

You could potentially use evora exhaust parts and the evora ecu, only problem is that those ecu's are all immobilized.

This is definitely an area where toyota is inferior. I've done a number of swaps with Chevys. The ecu's are open, so all I have to do is plug my laptop with tuning software into the obd2 ports, access the ecu, and uncheck the box for security (and rear o2's and evap and automatic). With Toyota, you would think you were trying to access some military secret. The dealer can't even disable security.

Posted by: mandrek Sep 8, 2011 - 2:49 PM

i know that connor just got cal/smog leagal.. im not sure that it was a 2grfe though..

Edit: its a 1mzfe.. never mind....


Smaay do you not have family in florida or alabama, or any of the other very relaxed emissions states that could "own" the car for you?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Dec 19, 2013 - 2:35 AM

Let's keep the discussion alive guys. I want to see this happen. Why is not someone on top of this....

Posted by: mi645 Dec 19, 2013 - 3:19 AM

i work on 2gr-fe all the time at work and 1gr-fe on tacomas and a bunch of other motors, the 2gr is very powerful and torquey, reliable of course, doesnt sound great stock on camrys etc, lol but yeah its reliable i havent had issues with it, and only thing i see normal mait water pumps leak here and there but thats prev, maint. great idea for that motor but its big, and where would u just find a motor? its fairly new on newwer cars

Posted by: njccmd2002 Dec 19, 2013 - 3:42 AM

the problem with this swap, is no one is done it or tried on a celica. The motors are plenty on ebay, and yards now. people wreck cars every day. its a matter of grabbing the balls to do it. but no one seems interested here. I guess its the cost.

Posted by: mi645 Dec 19, 2013 - 12:26 PM

u should lol

Posted by: Special_Edy Dec 19, 2013 - 3:09 PM

The cost is prohibitive, but I think about the 2gr every day.
No one knows for certain if a 1gr crank will fit in a 2gr, there you would have the potential for 4 liters fwd.

Also, my favorite part about this swap is that the S in ST204/ST202/ST205 stands for S-series engine and the AT-200 has an A-series block so a 2gr equipped celica would be a GRT-204 or GRT-205

Posted by: Box Dec 19, 2013 - 5:42 PM

Just a matter of wiring and the cost associated with that. Will it be worthwhile going through the hassle versus just dropping in a 1MZ/3MZ hybrid? Though haven't those with MR2's done this now? So one should more or less be able to take what they've done and apply it to the Celica.

Why don't you do it?

Posted by: kurt95gt Dec 19, 2013 - 8:52 PM

If I had the money

Posted by: njccmd2002 Dec 19, 2013 - 8:53 PM

290 HP, N/a on a celica, its worthwhile, and the swap is a couple pounds lighter than the 3sgte...

i have too much on my plate, atm. beleive me if i did not have a tore car in my garage, i would totally do it...

Posted by: Smaay Dec 19, 2013 - 9:12 PM

the 2GR is a kick ass engine, when the cost of them gets down to 700 like a 3MZ then ill attempt one. until then, ill keep my 240 torque 3MZ

Posted by: Rusty Dec 19, 2013 - 9:32 PM

Blade Masters have the 2GR's here.

There was a NZ'er with a 2GR SW20 MR2, in the end making 208.7rwKW, since sold.

Posted by: Box Dec 20, 2013 - 12:09 AM

Said Mr. MKIV Supra Turbo.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Dec 20, 2013 - 12:32 AM

i guess we will all have to wait for chris to do it...

Posted by: yellowchinaman Dec 20, 2013 - 3:11 AM

Hmm... I wonder if there is enough room for turbo charging this?

Posted by: Box Dec 20, 2013 - 1:13 PM

I mean for what this all might cost though there a lot of cars you can buy with lots of established potential, they're also pushed and not pulled. If the 2GR is as much of a pain as it looks to be, I don't see it being worth the hassle over the 1MZ/3MZ. Yes I'd much rather have the 2GR given similar challenges, but is it worth all the extra trouble? I'd love to see a 2GR Celica, so more power(he he, see what I did there?) to anyone that wants to go out and do it.

Posted by: bloodMoney Dec 20, 2013 - 2:44 PM

I'll do it. I already have the motor and the trans.... Now if only some douche in a BMW didn't wreck Abby, we might be able to get somewhere....

I've got a few ideas on how to get over the hood clearance issues while minimizing the aesthetic impact to the vehicle, but I need to test fit everything before I go broadcasting whiteboard ideas.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to settle with the insurance company, so I need to see where the funding falls after that.

Posted by: richee3 Dec 20, 2013 - 4:21 PM

I should hopefully have an empty engine bay for you soon.

Posted by: Smaay Dec 20, 2013 - 6:05 PM

which is exactly why i have no money

Posted by: CAcelica29 Dec 20, 2013 - 6:07 PM

in all fairness the supra will come before the celica in my house too....when i get a supra ^^^^^^

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 23, 2014 - 7:05 PM

been rounding up some information about this swap, the cost may be prohibitive, but damn, those mr2 videos are awesome.

Posted by: Smaay Apr 24, 2014 - 10:14 AM

remember the immobilizer is built into the ECU, the engine has nothing to do with it.

Now if you can get the 2GR to work on 1MZ electronics, that would be sweet. Like the 3MZ, the 2GR is a DBW engine so it needs a DBW gas pedal and a bunch more wiring.

Posted by: playr158 Apr 24, 2014 - 12:20 PM

200hp.....I don't know if this is enough for the swap + AWD

Posted by: Box Apr 24, 2014 - 3:01 PM

The ST165 was 190 turbocharged AWD and the ST185 was 200hp turbocharged AWD.

Lots of AWD cars with less power even...

Posted by: JoshuaM Apr 24, 2014 - 3:32 PM

Why not get the Aussie version then?



^That's 323 HP for you American's

Posted by: playr158 Apr 25, 2014 - 1:19 PM

My B7 avant is a 2.0t with 200hp and AWD TOO.
I didn't say it wasn't done. Its not worth building a project awd and not being able to up the power to something worth while. A 3s can be used and net over 300 HP easily. This would require a turbo kit and more work

Posted by: playr158 Apr 25, 2014 - 1:19 PM

My B7 avant is a 2.0t with 200hp and AWD TOO.
I didn't say it wasn't done. Its not worth building a project awd and not being able to up the power to something worth while. A 3s can be used and net over 300 HP easily. This would require a turbo kit and more work

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 2, 2014 - 7:08 AM

3 years after being a dream, it becomes a reality.

Im going to let you all into a secret... but that is it... dont get greedy...

some members already know....

but i bet you did not...

http://s254.photobucket.com/user/njccmd2002/media/6th_Generation_Celica/97_Limited_Edition/37418F4B-4999-4BE7-A938-BBA6AF7C2579_zps0jtxbe7x.jpg.html

Posted by: enderswift Jul 2, 2014 - 7:45 AM

I sense epicness

Posted by: cheela Jul 2, 2014 - 9:32 AM

awesome!

get that beams done so we can see this.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 2, 2014 - 9:37 AM

You're giving me the itch again......

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 2, 2014 - 9:44 AM

lol, i figured id share, tough there wont be a build thread, because well, im swimming in dark waters. I could not keep it underwater anymore. i think this will be the future...

http://s254.photobucket.com/user/njccmd2002/media/6th_Generation_Celica/97_Limited_Edition/2grfe_Swap/DSCN1122_zps5f8875fb.jpg.html

its massive, but i have a 4 day weekend coming, and i will know if it fits, or ill make it fit...

Posted by: mkernz22 Jul 2, 2014 - 9:50 AM

Posted by: Tigawoods Jul 2, 2014 - 9:55 AM

Posted by: Keiri Jul 2, 2014 - 1:42 PM

I've been waiting for you to make it official. This gonna be fun.

Posted by: Box Jul 2, 2014 - 1:42 PM

Aww, I'm not special anymore.

Posted by: playr158 Jul 2, 2014 - 2:38 PM

OOooooo come on!!! Make a build thread for this sucker! document document document

Posted by: rdyzz Jul 2, 2014 - 8:54 PM

I've been thinking about this also lately, but it seems with everything I wanna do with the setup it's gonna be a high price tag, maybe in the 10k range. I would run a stand alone and forget the whole drive by wire deal, run ITB's, yes the sound makes them worth it. I would have to get an E series transmission and then rebuild it with an OS Giken diff or some thing along those lines resulting in $10,000 USD maybe more. I've been thinking of how i would cope with the torque in a FWD, so either refining the suspension more and balancing wheel track with wheel offset or superstrut. still playing the lotto..... and if i did i would also build a 2mzfe screamer it has just the right rod/stroke ratio to be at 10k rpm singing.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 5, 2014 - 9:11 PM

Im sorry to say this is the end of the discussion.

Moderators can lock the thread now. no need to have two threads.

I will start a thread, soon... maybe, idk

im going to leave you with this... no more details. sorry, all specific details pertaining to the celica swap will not be released until im done...

http://s254.photobucket.com/user/njccmd2002/media/6th_Generation_Celica/97_Limited_Edition/2grfe_Swap/DSCN1191_zps30040912.jpg.html

i made a video also of the first fittings, not much but im sure youll enjoy it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vefp3ITBu1I

no more discussion, this is a reality

Posted by: Batman722 Jul 5, 2014 - 9:22 PM

Awesome vid

Posted by: enderswift Jul 5, 2014 - 9:49 PM

I'm never okay with being rickrolled. But sax guy makes it alright this time lol

standing by for epic 2GR thread!

Posted by: Smaay Jul 6, 2014 - 10:03 AM

you A-HOLE ha ha ha i was expecting Epicness!!! congrats on getting a 2GR in there. Im looking forward to your build thread.

Posted by: presure2 Jul 6, 2014 - 10:05 AM

awesome berto!
looking forward to the first startup vid!!

Posted by: underground_design Jul 6, 2014 - 5:04 PM

That's more than nice!
Where was this thread???
Congratulations just for trying this.
I hope you finish it soon and drive it!

Posted by: cheela Jul 6, 2014 - 6:48 PM

I watched the WHOLE video... twice! and i didn't see where you talked about the fitting and 2gr???

hahahaha. you and Tigawoods with your internet memes and rick rolling videos. start a thread so i can subscribe.

Posted by: Lamont Jul 6, 2014 - 8:49 PM

Such a swap tease lmao.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 6, 2014 - 8:52 PM

well, im glad you guys liked it. engine is in. the picture you guys saw was a mock. spent good day today aligning and reinstalling the subframe and the power steering.

im going to leave with this pic. and use your imagination....

http://s254.photobucket.com/user/njccmd2002/media/6th_Generation_Celica/97_Limited_Edition/2grfe_Swap/DSCN1194_zps4f9f2f89.jpg.html

no its not done. not yet...

it will require a lot of



some



and a little bit of



not for your average homebuilder,

Posted by: SwissFerdi Jul 6, 2014 - 9:08 PM

Excellent.

Posted by: Bitter Jul 6, 2014 - 9:34 PM

I foresee a hole in the hood to fit the intake manifold.

Posted by: Batman722 Jul 6, 2014 - 10:23 PM

Not bad.
Is the pass side mounted for real ?
If so and it's a bit unlevel, shim the driver's side to lower it a bit.

Posted by: richee3 Jul 6, 2014 - 10:45 PM

So much pr0n in that post.

Posted by: Rusty Jul 6, 2014 - 11:09 PM

I'm away for a week and this happens?

Posted by: Box Jul 6, 2014 - 11:23 PM

Yep, that's how it always is.

Hmm, could make a blister in the hood to clear the engine. I'm sure something could be done so it's aesthetically pleasing.

Posted by: rdyzz Jul 7, 2014 - 6:08 PM

Nice Progress! I would check the angle of the chassis also, jack stands are never very accurate at making sure you have and exactly flat angle. The strut tops are also good points to use to help align the engine. I only say this cause i pretty much had to do the same thing in order to fit a 3s into my corolla. If i had the money now the 2gr is something I also want to tackle.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 7, 2014 - 9:10 PM

well the pass mount is not done, and engine is on the transmission mounts. and a jackstand is holding the engine. Not much wiggle room to raise or lower engine but couple degrees. plus the picture is angled. lol. no more updates for now. this is as slow as snail.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 9, 2016 - 2:32 PM

Reason i bring this back from the dead, 2 years ago, i want to make sure the ability to swap the 2grfe into a celica is there... I have one. not a hard problem,

However some people look at the legality, from the emission standpoint... well i dont care!! lol, i dont need it..

However(again) frankenstein motorworks is working on a solution of using a lotus ECU, and make it legal in most states, and even maybe that "Nazi-State"...

http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/614593-emissions-legal-na-s-c-2gr-fe-swap-7200rpm-redline-yes-even-you-californians.html

its not done yet, but its a possibility. The prices of the 2grs are coming down, and are more frequent in salvage yards, its a more modern engine. so ill just leave this here, to clog your minds.

Sure its a bit more expensive than your regular 3sgte swap, but the amount of torque the engine produces on a rav4 ecu is amazing, let alone using an Evora ecu....

Posted by: Bitter Apr 9, 2016 - 6:28 PM

Is this coming out to the midwest meet?

Posted by: 4-eyed-freek Apr 10, 2016 - 8:31 AM

Is it???!!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 10, 2016 - 12:07 PM

So far ita on track unless my job requires it

Posted by: 4-eyed-freek Apr 10, 2016 - 3:56 PM

Your job means nothing!! This is a must see!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 10, 2016 - 8:50 PM

I guess no real interest for a second 2gr celica. Lol...

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 11, 2016 - 10:17 AM

That's a lie.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 11, 2016 - 11:39 AM

lol

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 11, 2016 - 1:33 PM

Don't count me out. I still have the engine, life has just been a little crazy lately. Plus, it's probably going to cost me your daughter's college tuition to get the secrets from you....

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 11, 2016 - 3:44 PM

nah, its no secret. Its easy to swap an make it work. I am on the verge of ditching the toyota ecu and spend the money to use a lotus ecu... in the next few weeks ill know... just bought the baffled oil pan from moroso... and have the roll bar set up.

Posted by: Bitter Apr 11, 2016 - 6:59 PM

The hard part is everything.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 11, 2016 - 9:23 PM

I have no mechanic skills. Its a backyard garage lol. If i can do it. Thousands can!

Posted by: Bitter Apr 11, 2016 - 9:30 PM

Sometimes that makes it easier, because you don't know enough to over think it.

Posted by: cheela Apr 11, 2016 - 10:10 PM

well u have a backyard. I still need to get that. hahaha

Posted by: richee3 Apr 11, 2016 - 10:34 PM

Says the first guy to shoehorn a 2GR into a 6gc and figure out all the different problems that go into it.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 15, 2016 - 8:40 AM

Its just finding solutions to a problem. lol....

On another note, it was a pain in the arse to take out the alternator.

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 20, 2016 - 12:31 PM

Why are you looking to move to the Lotus? Does it open up more power?

Posted by: Smaay Apr 20, 2016 - 6:07 PM

its a manual ECU

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 21, 2016 - 9:19 AM

I didn't think about that. It'll help with help engine lights too.

Posted by: Box Apr 21, 2016 - 4:17 PM

I'd imagine the Lotus ECU probably has a higher rpm limit as well. At first I was hoping he meant for a 2GR-FZE.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 21, 2016 - 8:52 PM

The lotus ecu is more easy to tune. Les sensors and technically tuned for sports. Where as toyotas are not. You guys need to read the post at mr2 forums a lot more

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 21, 2016 - 9:10 PM

Also supercharger

Posted by: Box Apr 21, 2016 - 9:13 PM

I knew it!

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 21, 2016 - 9:38 PM

Well in a celica will be hard. No space. And the mounting interferes

Posted by: Bitter Apr 21, 2016 - 10:33 PM

cut a whole in the ****ing hood like the J swapped honda kiddies.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 22, 2016 - 9:17 AM

If you dont donit with style. Dont donit at all..

Posted by: PizzaGuy01 Apr 23, 2016 - 4:09 AM

Wholy **** man im convinced im ditching the 3mz stuff for this. Seeing clean 2gr engines on ebay for under1300 shipped changed my mind lol. I DEMAND A DYNO!!

Posted by: Smaay Apr 23, 2016 - 6:24 PM

dont quit so quickly. There was a ton of work involved in this swap. Lots of electrical and fab work. the 3MZ has been proven and a much easier swap.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 23, 2016 - 9:56 PM

not a ton of work. Ton of research, only. the swap is as complicated as any other swap. I feel like a 3sgte is complicated more. as you have to upkeep turbo.

the wiring was hard, because I converted a 5 plug harness to a 2 plug harness. If you get the 2 plug harness, you will be ok. Making a fuse box is easy.

Plus, once you are done, you will have torque beyond your dreams.

Posted by: PizzaGuy01 Apr 23, 2016 - 10:04 PM

Agreed.. But i read every post of his 2 threads and dont see anything that scares me besides hacking the frame; which i have a friend who welds for a living so ill be fine there.

All i heard was "torque beyond your wildest dreams"lol


All i heard was "torque beyond your dreams"lol

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 23, 2016 - 10:11 PM

fabwork only a custom mount.


i dont have a dyno in town, im still sorting out few in and outs. Not particular to swap. My alternator came bad. and looking onto electrical ps pump.

i believe the 2gr is the swap to go if emissions are not of concern.

Posted by: PizzaGuy01 Apr 23, 2016 - 10:26 PM

Do you have any plans to make a better y pipe or go with a different exhaust method?

Posted by: njccmd2002 Apr 23, 2016 - 10:55 PM

no plans, there is no space.

Posted by: donteatbugs May 27, 2016 - 7:20 AM

Ignore the torque spike. The dyno had a hard time with the COP. Only header and intake with rav4 ecu.

Posted by: donteatbugs May 27, 2016 - 9:02 AM

I saw this at the drag strip in Mobile ,AL.

Posted by: njccmd2002 May 27, 2016 - 8:25 PM

another one!!!! wow, wonder if there is a built thread, and maybe he was the first, thats awesome. Looking like he used another type of mount, wonder if there is a thread somewhere... Im not alone anymore.

i see stock headers...

Posted by: njccmd2002 May 27, 2016 - 8:29 PM

hmm, dont eatbugs, i see you alot on MR2OC....

Posted by: Box May 27, 2016 - 9:32 PM

In Alabama of all places. Maybe I'll run into him one day at a car show, will have to make the mental note if I see a white 6th gen to go take a closer look.

Posted by: njccmd2002 May 27, 2016 - 9:39 PM

yeah! lol ... im just curious

Posted by: donteatbugs May 27, 2016 - 10:36 PM

He was puerto rican and didnt speak english. He also had a tercel with a 2gr in it. I head up to Barber a couple times a year. Pretty close to you, I used to live in springville.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B13JKy5Kz4

Posted by: njccmd2002 May 27, 2016 - 10:49 PM

solid tranny mount, If i can get a roll bar in my vert, i may take it to barber..

Posted by: njccmd2002 May 27, 2016 - 11:00 PM

fuel filter is loose

Posted by: donteatbugs May 28, 2016 - 11:03 AM

He actually had the FPR hooked up wrong. He gave it a vacuum source. I bet he was loosing power on the top end running that rich.

Posted by: Box May 28, 2016 - 1:41 PM

I bet the Tercel is a blast, probably leaves a lot of people stumped as it flies by.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jul 31, 2017 - 2:53 AM

finally found the owner if the car

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 31, 2017 - 9:27 AM

Details?

I saw you say he was running a TC trans?