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Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 22, 2019 - 9:27 AM

With the first Midwest meet behind us, I can now post this up.

WARNING: ***Storytime with Chris***

Two years ago, one of my fellow mods over on Celicatech made the decision that it was time to sell his car to fund the purchase of a more practical DD. It was suggested that I purchase the car, but I was not in a financial position to do so. I passed on the offer and the car was listed on Ebay. The auction ended below the reserve, and he circled back around to give me one more shot at it. Stacy and I took it as a sign and scraped up the cash to buy it. That was April 2017.

Fast forward to April 2019, two years of pushing this large financial commitment out of my head, and this pulls up in front of my house:


https://flic.kr/p/2fp6zGshttps://flic.kr/p/2fp6zGs by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/RHmBEBhttps://flic.kr/p/RHmBEB by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2ftLKbVhttps://flic.kr/p/2ftLKbV by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2fp6zwChttps://flic.kr/p/2fp6zwC by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

The trans had a high RPM grind in 3rd, so the PO put in a new trans as part of the sale. All buttoned up:
https://flic.kr/p/2fCcUeMhttps://flic.kr/p/2fCcUeM by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2e5SWVehttps://flic.kr/p/2e5SWVe by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Let me tell you, it's been a long 2 years...

It's so small compared to the 4Runner!
https://flic.kr/p/2fp6zuJhttps://flic.kr/p/2fp6zuJ by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

History on the car:
It was imported to Canada in 2009 as a Grade 4 car. It was used as a DD for a few years before the mod bug bit and little things started happening. It was taken off DD in 2011 and has been a fun car ever since.

It's not without it's fair share of warts, mostly cosmetic. It needs a complete respray, but there's no rust anywhere on this thing. I've put 300km on it since Friday, and this car is hands-down the BEST driving Celica I've driven.

I've already put my SSRs to use... What a difference a set of wheels can make.
https://flic.kr/p/2ewdxcbhttps://flic.kr/p/2ewdxcb by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Post Meet washdown:
https://flic.kr/p/RRLtmghttps://flic.kr/p/RRLtmg by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

I'm stoked to see what the future brings!

Posted by: cheela Apr 22, 2019 - 9:50 AM



Posted by: navseal345 Apr 22, 2019 - 12:50 PM

^^^

Posted by: Tigawoods Apr 22, 2019 - 1:26 PM


Posted by: enderswift Apr 22, 2019 - 2:04 PM

AND it's a wrc

Time to reactivate the antilag!!!

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 22, 2019 - 2:05 PM

lol you guys are funny.

I forgot to mention, there's significant travel in the brake pedal, I'm hoping a set of stainless lines and new fluid will help pedal response. If not, I may have to upgrade to a larger master to help get more pressure to the pads with less effort.

Also, I found out on the way home from the meet that only half of the lights in the cluster work... I guess it's time for an LED upgrade and an endworks bezel.

Posted by: Box Apr 22, 2019 - 2:37 PM

Everyone be getting GT-Fours now, makes me sad I'm not. Though Bright Iris Pearl was '95-96 only, so couldn't import one I'd want yet anyway. There we go, that'll help me sleep at night.

Looks good though outside of needing a respray like you said, should take it as an opportunity to do some kind of metallic or pearl black to really make it pop. OHH, one of those prism metallic paints would look awesome:


That with some confetti Recaro seats, would be so magical.

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 22, 2019 - 9:18 PM

With the paint, Iím going to go the same route as we did with my wifeís alltrac: straight PPG black. No additives nothing. Just black.

Iím planning on putting the car through itís paces on the track, so Iím likely to end up in a bride or something similar.

Posted by: Bitter Apr 22, 2019 - 9:33 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 22, 2019 - 2:05 PM) *
lol you guys are funny.

I forgot to mention, there's significant travel in the brake pedal, I'm hoping a set of stainless lines and new fluid will help pedal response. If not, I may have to upgrade to a larger master to help get more pressure to the pads with less effort.

Also, I found out on the way home from the meet that only half of the lights in the cluster work... I guess it's time for an LED upgrade and an endworks bezel.

My guess would be seized up slide pins and/or pads seized up in the brackets if there's not air in the system. Rubber brake hoses alone won't make for long pedal travel just make for a kind of squishy 'pushing on a rubber ball' kind of pedal at the end of the travel. Seized up pins can cause the calipers to hang up and actually flex the brackets to engage pads to rotor which means you're taking up a lot of distance (comparatively speaking to the normal tenth of a MM from pad to rotor) with pedal stroke. I think brakes is one of my ASE certs but you don't need to be a genius with that stuff, it's just basic hydraulics. If it's long travel but stops hard with a firm pedal it's more likely seized up junk, if it's a low pedal with a weak apply it's probably air or a bad master cylinder. Rarely do I see ABS issues with Denso systems, usually it's an issue with a single circuit not applying and a few whacks with a hammer while cycling the system will free the stuck part and it's fine for another decade, don't even know if that car has ABS.

Could also be someone messed with the pedal adjustment rod and nut, I know in my Celica I tightened it up a hair to give me a higher touchier brake pedal with about 1/3 less free travel before engaging retina sucking stoppage. Why someone would back it off, I would only guess they were going the wrong way to fix a problem with something hanging up in the system.

Posted by: Box Apr 22, 2019 - 9:35 PM

But but, opportunities. </3 Just think how fabulous you could look on the track with some black prism metallic paint. That's fine, leave extravagant paints to me then I guess.

Posted by: Bitter Apr 22, 2019 - 10:04 PM

We'll all chip in at the next Midwest meet and like get some truck nuts he can hang off the back.

Posted by: CDUB Apr 23, 2019 - 1:27 AM

My st205s always had a less than great pedal feel. I,ve got braided stainless lines, EBC pads and rotors. Bled the system twice now hoping it would solid up. No abs on my car. I mean it stops okay but for the overkill brake system the st205s have I expect a little more.

I had to change the brake master on my st185 and it was an absolute pain because of the rhd. Hope the st205 is more forgiving.

I wouldn't mind replacing my gauge cluster lights for some LEDs that more closely match the greddy gauges in the car. Do you know offhand how many and what type of bulb is called for. I hope my roll cage doesn't get in the way of removing panels to pull the cluster.

Posted by: Box Apr 23, 2019 - 1:34 AM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 22, 2019 - 10:04 PM) *
We'll all chip in at the next Midwest meet and like get some truck nuts he can hang off the back.

Are those seriously still a thing? Why they were a thing to begin with I'll never know, nor why they were made to look as disgusting as possible. Then again I don't understand guys and half the **** they do or think. At least drift charms could be cute and generally weren't crass...

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 23, 2019 - 7:33 AM

QUOTE (Box @ Apr 23, 2019 - 1:34 AM) *
Are those seriously still a thing? Why they were a thing to begin with I'll never know, nor why they were made to look as disgusting as possible. Then again I don't understand guys and half the **** they do or think. At least drift charms could be cute and generally weren't crass...


About the paint, as this car is going to see track time, I need a paint that is going to be an easy match. Metallics suck for that. Especially color shifting metallics.

Jordan: There are no brackets on the 205 the calipers are mounted direct to the knuckles. Apparently, pedal feel is an issue according to the other 205 owners that I've talked to about it, so I'll just need to look it over and make a call. This is an ABS equipped car, but I doubt that has anything to do with anything.

Speaking of drift charms....


Posted by: Bitter Apr 23, 2019 - 7:46 AM

Rears too?

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 23, 2019 - 7:48 AM

Yessir.

Posted by: Bitter Apr 23, 2019 - 7:55 AM

Nice, fixed calipers and floating pads. There's still a chance it's something binding causing a long pedal travel, a literal ton of force will make all kinds of things flex and move when you're burying the pedal. Hopefully a good inspection will reveal a simple cause and you don't have to go swapping out hydraulic parts, that gets old fast and getting good rebuilt parts is hit or miss. A larger bore master would indeed move more fluid per distance of pedal travel and all other things being the same would create more pressure, but I recall there being some other trade off. Pedal height adjustment should be a couple of 17 or 14mm jam nuts up under there, send Theo with a helmet cam in for an exploratory.

Woah the forum clock is off a bit. It's actually 7:38 AM

Posted by: Box Apr 23, 2019 - 5:06 PM

Fair enough on paint, metallic you have to do all at once in the hopes it matches and sorta the same with pearl to an extent.

Yes Jordan, the forum clock has been off for quite awhile now and it's only getting worse.

Posted by: narly_charley Apr 29, 2019 - 8:01 AM

I like it!!

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 29, 2019 - 8:24 AM

I forgot to post these up....

https://flic.kr/p/RSALBThttps://flic.kr/p/RSALBT by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2fD4qDBhttps://flic.kr/p/2fD4qDB by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2fyokBAhttps://flic.kr/p/2fyokBA by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

.....And right now it's on jack stands in the garage waiting for the new tires to be mounted.


Posted by: narly_charley Apr 29, 2019 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 29, 2019 - 9:24 AM) *
I forgot to post these up....
.....And right now it's on jack stands in the garage waiting for the new tires to be mounted.


What tires did you go with?

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 29, 2019 - 3:37 PM

http://zestinotyre.com/semi-slick-tyre/gredge-07r

Posted by: Bitter Apr 29, 2019 - 3:38 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 29, 2019 - 3:37 PM) *
http://zestinotyre.com/semi-slick-tyre/gredge-07r

Sounds like a brand of pizza rolls.

Posted by: Box Apr 29, 2019 - 3:48 PM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 29, 2019 - 3:38 PM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 29, 2019 - 3:37 PM) *
http://zestinotyre.com/semi-slick-tyre/gredge-07r

Sounds like a brand of pizza rolls.

laugh.gif It does. laugh.gif

Zestino Pizza Rolls!

Posted by: Bitter Apr 29, 2019 - 5:54 PM

I'm so getting bamnef from the next meet!

Posted by: narly_charley Apr 29, 2019 - 9:52 PM

So true!

Posted by: navseal345 Apr 29, 2019 - 9:59 PM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Apr 29, 2019 - 3:38 PM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 29, 2019 - 3:37 PM) *
http://zestinotyre.com/semi-slick-tyre/gredge-07r

Sounds like a brand of pizza rolls.


Probably going to last as long as pizza rolls. One bite & gone.

Posted by: Bitter Apr 30, 2019 - 12:52 AM

Ok but seriously, they look like a knock off of the Dunlop Z2/Z3 tread pattern with a little lower tread wear. What's the deal? Just cheap and sticky?

Posted by: Box Apr 30, 2019 - 3:52 AM

From what I can gather with a few minutes of Googling, they're a Japanese company that outsources and has their tires made in China. Personally I'd stick with Federal for low price range tires, brother just put on 595RS-R on the BMW and they have no problem with 500 horsepower and work surprisingly well in the rain though nothing too torrential has happened yet. The 595RPM on the Genesis were also quite good so far. Yes the Federals are made in Taiwan, but by a Taiwanese company and so far they've surpassed expectations. Will find out long term use on the BMW now that the Genesis is being sold, but being they're the second most extreme street tire behind the 595RS-RR I'll be surprised if he gets 20K with rotating them and yes I finally managed to talk him into a square setup.

Hopefully the Zestino tires are ok, the Chinese are more than capable it's just a matter of what they're being told to make that's always the issue...

Posted by: bloodMoney Apr 30, 2019 - 8:08 AM

Zestinos come highly recommended from from the local tuning shop. They use them on both their grip cars and their drift cars.

As this car is not going to see more than 3000mi/yr, I'm not really concerned about it. I know for a fact that they will be better than the 10 year old Riken Raptors that are on the wheels now.

Plus we need to consider that despite the fact that they outsource to China, they are still a Japanese company with Japanese quality standards.... I don't mind being the guinea pig for this group, knowing the customers that have run these in past years and been happy with them.

Posted by: narly_charley Apr 30, 2019 - 8:17 AM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 30, 2019 - 8:08 AM) *
they are still a Japanese company with Japanese quality standards....


Japanese products suck, and that includes automobiles.






You know I kid... smile.gif ha!

Posted by: Bitter Apr 30, 2019 - 1:57 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 30, 2019 - 8:08 AM) *
Zestinos come highly recommended from from the local tuning shop. They use them on both their grip cars and their drift cars.

As this car is not going to see more than 3000mi/yr, I'm not really concerned about it. I know for a fact that they will be better than the 10 year old Riken Raptors that are on the wheels now.

Plus we need to consider that despite the fact that they outsource to China, they are still a Japanese company with Japanese quality standards.... I don't mind being the guinea pig for this group, knowing the customers that have run these in past years and been happy with them.

It'll be a worthy experiment.

Posted by: Box Apr 30, 2019 - 2:55 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Apr 30, 2019 - 8:08 AM) *
Plus we need to consider that despite the fact that they outsource to China, they are still a Japanese company with Japanese quality standards.... I don't mind being the guinea pig for this group, knowing the customers that have run these in past years and been happy with them.

That doesn't mean anything, Japanese electronics made in China or elsewhere don't hold a candle to Japanese electronics made in Japan. Of course you also have the price discrepancy so they should withhold higher quality for the higher priced equipment, but a company that's making everything in China may not have that but that's up to them. Like I said hopefully they turn out well.

Posted by: Bitter Apr 30, 2019 - 9:01 PM

A lot of it comes down to QC, there's plenty of things made in China with strict QC that are great products. These tires could be one, Chris will find out and let us know. In the mean time I'll be bringing some marinara dipping sauce for his Zestino tires.

Posted by: Box Apr 30, 2019 - 10:35 PM

Indeed, hopefully this is an instance of the outsourcing company specifying a high quality product. It'd be nice to have more inexpensive tires, note not cheap, out there.

Mmmm zesty Zestinos.

Posted by: Box Apr 30, 2019 - 10:39 PM

Like the difference in quality between Federals that're Taiwanese made by a Taiwanese company are night and day over the Ohtsu which are a subsidiary of Japanese company Falken and are made in Indonesia or China. Yet the FP8000 are supposed to be an exact copy of an older Falken design.

Posted by: bloodMoney May 8, 2019 - 11:07 AM

No pics for this update, but the wheels are back on the car.

I've also replaced the cluster bulbs with LEDs since one of the three were out.

https://www.amazon.com/AUXITO-Chipsets-Replacement-Courtesy-License/dp/B071LHP5WP/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=LED+194&qid=1557330302&s=gateway&sr=8-3

There are hot spots, but at least I can see all my gauges at night.

Finally, I pulled the fuel sender to try and see why my gauge wasn't working. Turns out the entire sender had come off of the bracket and was sitting the in bottom of the tank. After wrestling the sender up with a magnet, I soldered the connections back together and I seem to have a working gauge again.

Although, It appears that the drive to and from Starved Rock for the midwest meet used 3/4 tank of fuel. I certainly hope that's not the case, as it was only a 200 mi. round trip.... Maybe it had something to do with my foot magically getting heavier everytime Luke gets next to me....

Posted by: Bitter May 8, 2019 - 1:16 PM

Starved Rock is minimum 1/2 tank for me, it was only 1/4 tank when I went in other cars.

Posted by: richee3 May 8, 2019 - 1:23 PM

Thatís similar fuel economy to what weíre getting.

Posted by: bloodMoney May 8, 2019 - 3:24 PM

QUOTE (richee3 @ May 8, 2019 - 1:23 PM) *
Thatís similar fuel economy to what weíre getting.


Really? Damn... I thought I was tweaking, that's why I kept asking you about how long it took to come up.

Posted by: Box May 8, 2019 - 3:42 PM

The GT-Four is a performance car, if you wanted economy should've gotten the ST. tongue.gif

Posted by: enderswift May 8, 2019 - 10:48 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ May 8, 2019 - 12:07 PM) *
No pics for this update, but the wheels are back on the car.

I've also replaced the cluster bulbs with LEDs since one of the three were out.

https://www.amazon.com/AUXITO-Chipsets-Replacement-Courtesy-License/dp/B071LHP5WP/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=LED+194&qid=1557330302&s=gateway&sr=8-3

There are hot spots, but at least I can see all my gauges at night.

Finally, I pulled the fuel sender to try and see why my gauge wasn't working. Turns out the entire sender had come off of the bracket and was sitting the in bottom of the tank. After wrestling the sender up with a magnet, I soldered the connections back together and I seem to have a working gauge again.

Although, It appears that the drive to and from Starved Rock for the midwest meet used 3/4 tank of fuel. I certainly hope that's not the case, as it was only a 200 mi. round trip.... Maybe it had something to do with my foot magically getting heavier everytime Luke gets next to me....


Im glad I have that effect; and I dont think either of us will ever change lol


Posted by: Bitter May 8, 2019 - 11:24 PM

Chris, those LED's are not so suited for small spaces if you're running them at full brightness. Especially with the 'canbus' resistors getting hot on those things. I'd suggest something more like...the Diode Dynamics HP3. It comes in colors, Amber or Green would look nice for a classic Toyota look and feel. They're well diffused to help prevent hot spots.

http://images.diodedynamics.com/mazda/miata/dash/97_miata_gauge_green.jpg

Posted by: Box May 9, 2019 - 2:51 AM

Isn't the green an overlay on the gauges? So I'd say green, plus the green is kinda cool these days as now it's all blinding LCD displays. I personally like amber though, really easy on the eyes.

Posted by: narly_charley May 9, 2019 - 7:25 AM

The green lights in Toyota's is definitely classic.

Posted by: bloodMoney May 9, 2019 - 7:29 AM

QUOTE (Box @ May 8, 2019 - 3:42 PM) *
The GT-Four is a performance car, if you wanted economy should've gotten the ST. tongue.gif


Big talk from someone who doesn't even own one... tongue.gif

Plus, I think I'm just used to getting 400 mi/tank with the LS.

QUOTE (enderswift @ May 8, 2019 - 10:48 PM) *
Im glad I have that effect; and I dont think either of us will ever change lol


This worries me for when we get on track together…. lol

I like the white gauges. I’m planning on getting the Endworks cluster bezel, and some crisp white gauges will look great behind it. Maybe if these burn out, I'll try the diode dynamics. The photo does look pretty uniform.

Posted by: Box May 9, 2019 - 1:52 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ May 9, 2019 - 7:29 AM) *
QUOTE (Box @ May 8, 2019 - 3:42 PM) *
The GT-Four is a performance car, if you wanted economy should've gotten the ST. tongue.gif


Big talk from someone who doesn't even own one... tongue.gif

Plus, I think I'm just used to getting 400 mi/tank with the LS.

I used to own a ST and now I own something not economy minded at all, so I think my comment is valid. tongue.gif Hey find me an Iris Pearl GT-Four and I'll sell a kidney to make it happen.

For whatever it's worth the ST185 was rated at 19/24 originally, so as long as you're near that I'd think it's all kosher.

Posted by: richee3 May 9, 2019 - 2:04 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ May 8, 2019 - 2:24 PM) *
Really? Damn... I thought I was tweaking, that's why I kept asking you about how long it took to come up.

Yup, weíre getting about 250 miles to a tank. Less if Brigette drives it more.

For scientific reasons, I would like to know the outcome of driving near Luke on the highway.

Posted by: CDUB May 9, 2019 - 9:05 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ May 8, 2019 - 12:07 PM) *
No pics for this update, but the wheels are back on the car.

I've also replaced the cluster bulbs with LEDs since one of the three were out.

https://www.amazon.com/AUXITO-Chipsets-Replacement-Courtesy-License/dp/B071LHP5WP/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=LED+194&qid=1557330302&s=gateway&sr=8-3

There are hot spots, but at least I can see all my gauges at night.

Finally, I pulled the fuel sender to try and see why my gauge wasn't working. Turns out the entire sender had come off of the bracket and was sitting the in bottom of the tank. After wrestling the sender up with a magnet, I soldered the connections back together and I seem to have a working gauge again.

Although, It appears that the drive to and from Starved Rock for the midwest meet used 3/4 tank of fuel. I certainly hope that's not the case, as it was only a 200 mi. round trip.... Maybe it had something to do with my foot magically getting heavier everytime Luke gets next to me....



Any chance you remember how many/type of bulbs are in the GT4 Cluster. The lighting guide just says :
"Guage Cluster - 194 (Larger Bulbs) and 74 (Smaller Bulbs)"

Im not sure how accurate that info actually is.


Posted by: navseal345 May 9, 2019 - 9:49 PM

QUOTE (richee3 @ May 9, 2019 - 2:04 PM) *
For scientific reasons, I would like to know the outcome of driving near Luke on the highway.


You enjoy it more than the car does. And gas mileage may suffer.

Posted by: bloodMoney May 10, 2019 - 7:33 AM

CDUB: I replaced 3 194 bulbs in the dash.


QUOTE (navseal345 @ May 9, 2019 - 9:49 PM) *
QUOTE (richee3 @ May 9, 2019 - 2:04 PM) *
For scientific reasons, I would like to know the outcome of driving near Luke on the highway.


You enjoy it more than the car does. And gas mileage may suffer.


QFT. I need more boost and water injection.

Posted by: cheela May 10, 2019 - 8:19 AM

QUOTE (navseal345 @ May 9, 2019 - 9:49 PM) *
QUOTE (richee3 @ May 9, 2019 - 2:04 PM) *
For scientific reasons, I would like to know the outcome of driving near Luke on the highway.


You enjoy it more than the car does. And gas mileage may suffer.


^those are hypotheses and inklings only. we must set up an experimental lab session to be sure.

Posted by: enderswift May 10, 2019 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE (cheela @ May 10, 2019 - 8:19 AM) *
QUOTE (navseal345 @ May 9, 2019 - 9:49 PM) *
QUOTE (richee3 @ May 9, 2019 - 2:04 PM) *
For scientific reasons, I would like to know the outcome of driving near Luke on the highway.


You enjoy it more than the car does. And gas mileage may suffer.


^those are hypotheses and inklings only. we must set up an experimental lab session to be sure.


Agreed

Posted by: Box May 10, 2019 - 2:51 PM

This sounds like a job for, The Mythbusters! tongue.gif

Posted by: navseal345 May 10, 2019 - 5:01 PM

GT-Four squad roll out!

Posted by: punkxrckprincess May 14, 2019 - 7:34 PM

QUOTE (enderswift @ May 10, 2019 - 11:35 AM) *
QUOTE (cheela @ May 10, 2019 - 8:19 AM) *
QUOTE (navseal345 @ May 9, 2019 - 9:49 PM) *
QUOTE (richee3 @ May 9, 2019 - 2:04 PM) *
For scientific reasons, I would like to know the outcome of driving near Luke on the highway.


You enjoy it more than the car does. And gas mileage may suffer.


^those are hypotheses and inklings only. we must set up an experimental lab session to be sure.


Agreed


*coughlabordayweekendcough*

Posted by: bloodMoney May 31, 2019 - 7:59 AM

A bunch of you know already, but I need to post it here for posterity....

It's not GT4 specific, but we can check another box off the list....

Before:


After:


Just need to run 220 to it, and we'll be in business!

Posted by: narly_charley May 31, 2019 - 9:09 AM

Awesome! It's crazy how unknowingly affordable they are. Now you just gotta insulate the walls and ceiling so you can work on cars in the winter. smile.gif This furnace is really nice and cheap.

https://www.menards.com/main/heating-cooling/heaters/gas-garage-heaters/mr-heater-reg-big-maxx-garage-heater/f260550/p-1444441200665.htm

Posted by: bloodMoney May 31, 2019 - 10:45 AM

Insulation is next.

I'm using a propane chimney for heat at the moment, but there are provisions in the floor to heat the concrete.

Posted by: narly_charley May 31, 2019 - 11:21 AM

Those Rigid shop vacs are nice, aren't they? I have the same one. Not sure if you know, but their vacs have lifetime warranties. All you gotta do is bring it to a HD. You don't even need to register it like their power tools.

Posted by: navseal345 May 31, 2019 - 11:24 AM

LoOk aT mE i gOT a HoISt In mY GArAgE.

Posted by: bloodMoney May 31, 2019 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (navseal345 @ May 31, 2019 - 11:24 AM) *
LoOk aT mE i gOT a HoISt In mY GArAgE.


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I could've kept it quiet, like the GT4, but then you all would've gotten angry at me again when you found out....

Joe:

I love that shop vac! I need to pick up a few more accessories for it, so that I can really start using it more than I do.

Posted by: cheela May 31, 2019 - 1:07 PM

6gc midwest guys: "Hey Chris, you home this weekend? I need to use your lift."

Posted by: Box May 31, 2019 - 3:50 PM

I like how everyone ends up with the same lift at home, that or they just all have blue posts and yellow arms. laugh.gif

Posted by: Bitter May 31, 2019 - 5:56 PM

Adopt me.

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay May 31, 2019 - 11:10 PM

which lift did you get?

Posted by: Box Jun 1, 2019 - 12:04 AM

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ May 31, 2019 - 11:10 PM) *
which lift did you get?

The same one everyone gets. tongue.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Jun 1, 2019 - 12:07 AM

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ May 31, 2019 - 11:10 PM) *
which lift did you get?


the one that lifts car up up in the air

Posted by: Bitter Jun 2, 2019 - 10:40 AM

It picks cars up and puts them down.

Posted by: cheela Jun 2, 2019 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ May 31, 2019 - 11:10 PM) *
which lift did you get?


do you even lift bro?

Posted by: bloodMoney Jun 3, 2019 - 1:12 PM

QUOTE (Bitter @ May 31, 2019 - 5:56 PM) *
Adopt me.


ummmm, no. You'd spend too much time fighting with Theo over toys.

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ May 31, 2019 - 11:10 PM) *
which lift did you get?


I was going to go with a bendpak, but they changed their stock color from blue to gunmetal, and that won't match my toolbox. When I called to see about changing back to blue, they wanted almost $1000 to do it.

So I ended up going with a https://standardus.com/rotary-two-post-auto-lift-10-000lbs-capacity-symmetric-asymmetric-revolution-r-rtp10-ra.html, so that everything would match.

It is a China-made lift, but is is ALI certified, and backed by Rotary, so why not.

Posted by: Bitter Jun 3, 2019 - 10:53 PM

You said no to a Gunmetal car accessory? Wut?

Posted by: bloodMoney Jun 4, 2019 - 8:10 AM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 3, 2019 - 10:53 PM) *
You said no to a Gunmetal car accessory? Wut?


Believe it or not, I'm kinda picky about colors....

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jun 4, 2019 - 8:28 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jun 3, 2019 - 1:12 PM) *
QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ May 31, 2019 - 11:10 PM) *
which lift did you get?


I was going to go with a bendpak, but they changed their stock color from blue to gunmetal, and that won't match my toolbox. When I called to see about changing back to blue, they wanted almost $1000 to do it.

So I ended up going with a https://standardus.com/rotary-two-post-auto-lift-10-000lbs-capacity-symmetric-asymmetric-revolution-r-rtp10-ra.html, so that everything would match.

It is a China-made lift, but is is ALI certified, and backed by Rotary, so why not.


That ****'s expensive, but it looks nice though.

A buddy of mine uses a Universalift to store his wife's Supra and he got it for cheap. Their https://www.naautoequipment.com/TP7KAC-7K-Lift-p/tp7kac-7k-lift.htm lifts look pretty nice and their https://www.naautoequipment.com/Universalift-2-7-000-lb-capacity-2-Post-Portab-p/u-2-c-7000-2-post-car-lift.htm ones look pretty handy.

Posted by: Bitter Jun 4, 2019 - 11:25 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jun 4, 2019 - 8:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 3, 2019 - 10:53 PM) *
You said no to a Gunmetal car accessory? Wut?


Believe it or not, I'm kinda picky about colors....

That's raci...wait no you're allowed.

Posted by: Box Jun 4, 2019 - 11:27 PM

I'm really picky about colours, I have a preference for darker ones though so that makes it ok.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jun 6, 2019 - 7:45 AM

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jun 4, 2019 - 8:28 PM) *
That ****'s expensive, but it looks nice though.

A buddy of mine uses a Universalift to store his wife's Supra and he got it for cheap. Their https://www.naautoequipment.com/TP7KAC-7K-Lift-p/tp7kac-7k-lift.htm lifts look pretty nice and their https://www.naautoequipment.com/Universalift-2-7-000-lb-capacity-2-Post-Portab-p/u-2-c-7000-2-post-car-lift.htm ones look pretty handy.


Well, It was kind of necessary... Plus, I'm not going to stand under a car that's not on a certified lift...

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 4, 2019 - 11:25 PM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jun 4, 2019 - 8:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 3, 2019 - 10:53 PM) *
You said no to a Gunmetal car accessory? Wut?


Believe it or not, I'm kinda picky about colors....

That's raci...wait no you're allowed.


Did you just make a brown joke???


Posted by: narly_charley Jun 6, 2019 - 12:32 PM

Brown jokes... hehe

Posted by: Bitter Jun 8, 2019 - 9:43 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/262089225933 Convenient 2 pack so you and Stac can have one each because turbo.

Posted by: TimeslideZ Jun 11, 2019 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 8, 2019 - 10:43 AM) *
https://www.ebay.com/itm/262089225933 Convenient 2 pack so you and Stac can have one each because turbo.


Dude I didn't know these things existed! Time to tell my friends who's cars are faster to get it lol.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jun 27, 2019 - 10:16 AM

The benefit of white wheels?

You can spot when something is going wrong. I have no pics right now, but for whatever reason, I"m getting a significant rust buildup on the LR wheel. I need to get it in the air and see what's going on tonight.

Posted by: punkxrckprincess Jun 27, 2019 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jun 27, 2019 - 10:16 AM) *
The benefit of white wheels?

You can spot when something is going wrong. I have no pics right now, but for whatever reason, I"m getting a significant rust buildup on the LR wheel. I need to get it in the air and see what's going on tonight.

kindasad.gif nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo #savewhitey

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 11, 2019 - 7:55 AM

So, the wheel issue turned out to be nothing. There are no leaks or an significant wear that I could find.

Unfortunately, I think the cluth took a s**t on me yesterday.

Was on the highway, in 3rd, decelerating for an exit ramp at about 2500rpm, when the revs suddenly dropped back down to idle. Clutched in to try another gear, but the clutch won't engage anymore. The weird thing is, there was no noise, nothing. Just dropped to idle, like I took it out of gear. I can still feel all the gates, and still have good pedal pressure/return, but no go.

Sat on the side of the highway for 3 hours before a truck showed up to bring me home. After that, I didn't even want to look at it. So, I'll start picking it apart tonight to figure it out. I hope it's something simple.

Posted by: cheela Jul 11, 2019 - 8:45 AM

damn! 3 hours!! You could've fixed it on the side of the road by then. frown.gif
Hope it's something simple too. Sorry bud.

Posted by: navseal345 Jul 11, 2019 - 10:02 AM

No smart a$$ comment comes to mind. But at least you can put the 2 post to use.

Posted by: richee3 Jul 11, 2019 - 12:56 PM

The joys of owning older cars... at least it happened somewhere where you could pull over instead of getting stuck in traffic. Youíll have to let me know how much of a nightmare the clutch job is.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 11, 2019 - 1:12 PM

QUOTE (cheela @ Jul 11, 2019 - 8:45 AM) *
damn! 3 hours!! You could've fixed it on the side of the road by then. frown.gif
Hope it's something simple too. Sorry bud.


I could've had the motor out by then.

QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 11, 2019 - 12:56 PM) *
The joys of owning older cars... at least it happened somewhere where you could pull over instead of getting stuck in traffic. You’ll have to let me know how much of a nightmare the clutch job is.


Step 1: Remove Engine.

Posted by: Box Jul 11, 2019 - 3:30 PM

Well at least it happened on an exit ramp and not going down the interstate or going up the entrance ramp, so there's that I guess. Still totally sucks, might be the original clutch that just decided to give up on life.

Posted by: Bitter Jul 11, 2019 - 8:46 PM

Bunch of rust on a wheel can be an early sign of brakes hanging up on that corner, brake dust rusts pretty good on white wheels.

As for the clutch, it said '**** it I'm going back to Japan' and just left lol. Super weird there was no noise or roughness prior, unless something had already been stressed past elastic and into plastic and then just the slightest torque sheared it off like butter.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 12, 2019 - 9:40 AM

Removed the inspection cover yesterday. Didn't reveal anything except a lightweight flywheel.... No clue why they would put it on the back side of the flywheel, not really useful there.

So, I started pulling the left side of the car apart to get some visibility to the trans:

https://flic.kr/p/2gx4q1rhttps://flic.kr/p/2gx4q1r by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Got the starter out to take a look at the pressure plate/clutch, and it looks like it may have just been end of life on the current piece.

https://flic.kr/p/2gx4pVghttps://flic.kr/p/2gx4pVg by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

It's just weird because there wasn't any slipping prior to the failure. There was no noise either. I'm still thinking that it was the TO bearing that took a ****.

For the record, the current clutch is a Clutchmasters FX500 6 puck un-sprung unit, that the PO installed.

Posted by: CoolZeen Jul 12, 2019 - 10:56 AM

....and the fun beginngs.

Posted by: Box Jul 12, 2019 - 2:20 PM

Nothing like changing a clutch on something AWD or 4WD....

Posted by: bryanf Jul 12, 2019 - 4:01 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 12, 2019 - 10:40 AM) *
Removed the inspection cover yesterday. Didn't reveal anything except a lightweight flywheel.... No clue why they would put it on the back side of the flywheel, not really useful there.

So, I started pulling the left side of the car apart to get some visibility to the trans:

Got the starter out to take a look at the pressure plate/clutch, and it looks like it may have just been end of life on the current piece.

It's just weird because there wasn't any slipping prior to the failure. There was no noise either. I'm still thinking that it was the TO bearing that took a ****.

For the record, the current clutch is a Clutchmasters FX500 6 puck un-sprung unit, that the PO installed.


Something just doesn't look right about that photo. I wonder if your clutch failed.

Posted by: enderswift Jul 13, 2019 - 10:43 AM

What about the unsprung disc as a culprit? I remember someone on here sheared the rivets on their solid disk after a few k of driving in traffic

Posted by: Bitter Jul 13, 2019 - 10:25 PM

Weren't those Exedy clutch discs that were failing all the time back in the day? Though I think that was springs leaving to go see Jesus.

So what will you replace it with?

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM

Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.

Posted by: enderswift Jul 14, 2019 - 3:20 PM

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM) *
Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.


I was skeptical of south bend but now I wont install anything else. Dead reliable and do indeed use exedy parts. I even paid a visit to their facility and liked what I saw. They're a good bunch of dudes

Posted by: narly_charley Jul 15, 2019 - 7:13 AM

That sucks that you were on the side of the highway for three hours... Hope you're able to easily dive into this and the job goes smoothly without breaking any parts.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 15, 2019 - 7:26 AM

QUOTE (enderswift @ Jul 14, 2019 - 3:20 PM) *
QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM) *
Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.


I was skeptical of south bend but now I wont install anything else. Dead reliable and do indeed use exedy parts. I even paid a visit to their facility and liked what I saw. They're a good bunch of dudes


I was going to ask your input on this. I'll look deeper at Southbend.

Alex: We have an Excedy OEM replacement in the wife's ST165, and we love it. I am much harder on things than she is though, so I need something a little bit tougher than OEM spec.

I really hope I didn't destroy the input shaft.

Thanks Joe. I think I'm still more upset about that, then I am about the car breaking.

Posted by: Bitter Jul 15, 2019 - 7:46 AM

4th hearing only good things about SB stuff. How long ago was that clutch put in, that bad batch of Exedy was a very long time ago so it's unlikely unless the car's been sitting in storage for like 15 years.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 16, 2019 - 3:26 PM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jul 15, 2019 - 7:46 AM) *
4th hearing only good things about SB stuff. How long ago was that clutch put in, that bad batch of Exedy was a very long time ago so it's unlikely unless the car's been sitting in storage for like 15 years.


Sometime between 5-10 years ago.

It's the Clutchmasters in there now, Stacy has the Exedy. I'll probably move to a stage 2 endurance SB clutch for this go-around.

Posted by: richee3 Jul 16, 2019 - 4:17 PM

At least this gives you a chance to freshen up your engine. I replaced the valve cover in Brigetteís a couple of months ago and it was no fun. And the leak still persists... I think itís just doing to keep leaking until I need to pull the engine for something. Iím planning to go with a Southbend clutch whine this car finally needs one so Iíll be curious how you like it when you get it in.

Posted by: navseal345 Jul 16, 2019 - 7:32 PM

QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 16, 2019 - 4:17 PM) *
Iíll be curious how you like it when you get it in.


That's what she said.

Posted by: Box Jul 16, 2019 - 8:37 PM

QUOTE (navseal345 @ Jul 16, 2019 - 7:32 PM) *
QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 16, 2019 - 4:17 PM) *
Iíll be curious how you like it when you get it in.


That's what she said.

Indeed, something that concerns all women.

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jul 16, 2019 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 15, 2019 - 7:26 AM) *
QUOTE (enderswift @ Jul 14, 2019 - 3:20 PM) *
QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM) *
Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.


I was skeptical of south bend but now I wont install anything else. Dead reliable and do indeed use exedy parts. I even paid a visit to their facility and liked what I saw. They're a good bunch of dudes


Alex: We have an Excedy OEM replacement in the wife's ST165, and we love it. I am much harder on things than she is though, so I need something a little bit tougher than OEM spec.



I had one of those in the Supra as well before going Southbend. Great little clutch, but unfortunate that it couldn't handle the extra power when I went single. lol

BTW, from my understanding, Southbend likes to underrate their clutches. The stage 3 Endurance in the Supra is rated for like 650ft-lb, but it can probably hold a bit more than that.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 17, 2019 - 7:14 AM

That's what I'm thinking too Daniel. This engine really doesn't leak, but I'm probably going to be placing an order with GT4Play once I know what the damage is going to be for the bodywork.

Alex: I don't think that I'm needing a Stage 3, as I'm not making all that much power/torque.

Waiting for Luke to jump back in and let us know what he is using.

My big concern is that their PP is going to be like ACT. I HATE the ACT HD Pressure Plate. It caused me all sorts of problems in the ST185.

Posted by: enderswift Jul 17, 2019 - 8:26 AM

I'm 90% sure im running their stage 2 endurance clutch. The disk is an exedy part, and the pressure plate is an exedy part that they modify and paint red. Very streetable clutch

I'm using it in combination with a competition lightweight steel flywheel with the required .02 step height. Absolutely zero problems, as has always been my experience with southbend.

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jul 17, 2019 - 10:13 AM

I have the stage 2 endurance for the Celica as well that I bought through PrimeDriven cuz that's the highest they offer. It's gonna be glued to the Spec flywheel that came with my car. I've yet to have them installed though.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 17, 2019 - 10:23 AM

Perfect. Stage 2 endurance it is.

It already has a Fidanza lightweight flywheel in it, so I'm covered there.

Posted by: enderswift Jul 17, 2019 - 12:06 PM

If you're reusing your flywheel then for the love of God make sure you have a .018 - .022 step height surfaced onto it. Much unhappiness and expense will follow if you dont. Ask me how i know...

Edit:

Also, the torque spec for the pressure plate bolts is NOT 14ftlbs as listed in the fsm. Researching showed that 22 ftlbs is appropriate! I had a pressure plate start coming loose because of this. Even the mr2 guys at primedriven recommend 22:

https://primedriven.com/collections/clutches-axle-flywheels/products/pressure-plate-bolts

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 17, 2019 - 2:41 PM

I'll measure it, but it has a replaceable friction surface. There should be no machining involved at all, just replace the disk.

I think.....

Posted by: Bitter Jul 17, 2019 - 8:49 PM

Here's to everything going smoothly. Any idea on time frame or intended date of completion?

Posted by: narly_charley Jul 18, 2019 - 7:29 AM

Nothing's worse than HAVING to work on a car.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 18, 2019 - 7:51 AM

QUOTE (narly_charley @ Jul 18, 2019 - 7:29 AM) *
Nothing's worse than HAVING to work on a car.


That's the best part about this car Joe. I don't technically HAVE to work on it. I'm trying to take my time, and enjoy learning about this car along the way.

Realistically, I've resigned myself to this car not making it back out this season. Once the engine is out, I'm most likely going to send it to the body shop. ,

Update: Made a little more progress last night

Vacuum reference for posterity:
https://flic.kr/p/2gB65wYhttps://flic.kr/p/2gB65wY by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Got the Radiator out:
https://flic.kr/p/2gB65xehttps://flic.kr/p/2gB65xe by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Exhaust disconnected:
https://flic.kr/p/2gB65uPhttps://flic.kr/p/2gB65uP by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2gB6DL9https://flic.kr/p/2gB6DL9 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

And most of the LH side of the engine bay disconnected:
https://flic.kr/p/2gB65y6https://flic.kr/p/2gB65y6 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Including the loom through the firewall:
https://flic.kr/p/2gB6DPAhttps://flic.kr/p/2gB6DPA by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Which, I found, is difficult to do when the door opening angle is limited by the lift post. #firstworldproblems

Posted by: Bitter Jul 18, 2019 - 8:04 AM

Speaking of lift posts, did you install some foam rubber on them so when you inevitably bonk the door they'll at least hit rubber and not metal? They sell some 1/4 inch thick adhesive backed stuff on Amazon I've been meaning to line the sides of my garage with but some asshole before me popcorned the walls.

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jul 18, 2019 - 9:38 AM

QUOTE (enderswift @ Jul 17, 2019 - 12:06 PM) *
If you're reusing your flywheel then for the love of God make sure you have a .018 - .022 step height surfaced onto it. Much unhappiness and expense will follow if you dont. Ask me how i know...

Edit:

Also, the torque spec for the pressure plate bolts is NOT 14ftlbs as listed in the fsm. Researching showed that 22 ftlbs is appropriate! I had a pressure plate start coming loose because of this. Even the mr2 guys at primedriven recommend 22:

https://primedriven.com/collections/clutches-axle-flywheels/products/pressure-plate-bolts


How do you measure the step height?

Posted by: enderswift Jul 18, 2019 - 11:08 AM

Good progress Chris, what a nice way to unwind after work every day.

QUOTE
I'll measure it, but it has a replaceable friction surface. There should be no machining involved at all, just replace the disk.

I think.....


ah one of those fancy flywheels. Yea I cant imagine it would be out of spec after replacing the surface.

QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 18, 2019 - 9:38 AM) *
QUOTE (enderswift @ Jul 17, 2019 - 12:06 PM) *
If you're reusing your flywheel then for the love of God make sure you have a .018 - .022 step height surfaced onto it. Much unhappiness and expense will follow if you dont. Ask me how i know...

Edit:

Also, the torque spec for the pressure plate bolts is NOT 14ftlbs as listed in the fsm. Researching showed that 22 ftlbs is appropriate! I had a pressure plate start coming loose because of this. Even the mr2 guys at primedriven recommend 22:

https://primedriven.com/collections/clutches-axle-flywheels/products/pressure-plate-bolts


How do you measure the step height?


Straight edge and a feeler gauge is what I do

For those who are skeptical, step height is probably one of the most important dims on a toyota clutch assembly. The whole aftermarket product category of extended slave cylinder pushrods exists because people are trying to find a band-aid solution for an improperly machined flywheel.

I was one of those people after I did my first swap. My (former) machinist put on a .005 step instead of .02 and I couldn't shift into gear because the clutch never really disengaged. An extended pushrod helped but I still couldn't get 100% disengagement and thus had a very notchy shifter feel. My synchros suffered quite a bit during that time

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 18, 2019 - 11:17 AM

I almost called you yesterday, but didn't want to bother you.

I found myself just staring at the car, trying to come up with a game plan on how to move forward, then I decided to just pull the radiator and things got rolling.

Will be back in the garage after work today if you want to stop out.

Posted by: Bitter Jul 18, 2019 - 1:34 PM

Any upgrades planned while it's apart? I know how easy it is for things to snowball.

Posted by: Box Jul 18, 2019 - 2:59 PM

Might as well build for 500hp while you're at it. tongue.gif

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 18, 2019 - 3:13 PM

Nope.

New clutch, flywheel friction disk, reseal the engine, bodywork.

Stacy gets her engine build first. I promised it to her years ago.

Posted by: Box Jul 18, 2019 - 3:32 PM

Well, just start her's first then build your's right after therefore satiating the terms of your promise. tongue.gif

500hp and AWD, come on!

Posted by: Bitter Jul 19, 2019 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 18, 2019 - 3:13 PM) *
Stacy gets her engine build first. I promised it to her years ago.

laugh.gif Just don't remind her and hope she doesn't remember.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 22, 2019 - 7:32 AM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jul 19, 2019 - 10:54 PM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 18, 2019 - 3:13 PM) *
Stacy gets her engine build first. I promised it to her years ago.

laugh.gif Just don't remind her and hope she doesn't remember.


Yea.... Have you met my wife???


ANYWAY...

Pulled the engine this weekend:

https://flic.kr/p/2gEdTZ2https://flic.kr/p/2gEdTZ2 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2gEdacThttps://flic.kr/p/2gEdacT by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2gEdTYqhttps://flic.kr/p/2gEdTYq by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

I wish I had a third person there to take video... watching the car come up over the engine set was such a satisfying thing to see.

Posted by: Bitter Jul 22, 2019 - 8:00 AM

Is the engine really pulled if you don't have a photo of you standing in the engine bay?

Posted by: narly_charley Jul 22, 2019 - 8:44 AM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 22, 2019 - 8:32 AM) *
I wish I had a third person there to take video... watching the car come up over the engine set was such a satisfying thing to see.


I bet it was. Such a handy tool to have.

Posted by: cheela Jul 22, 2019 - 8:45 AM

He's gonna need a ladder to get that engine bay shot though. laugh.gif

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jul 22, 2019 - 11:08 AM

can you snap a quick pic of how the power steering pump is mounted?

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 22, 2019 - 2:09 PM

Alex: I will after work.

You guy got me thinking about pulling engines....

Ellie's (ST185) Engine:
https://flic.kr/p/WoMU4Ghttps://flic.kr/p/WoMU4G by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/WoMTXQhttps://flic.kr/p/WoMTXQ by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Ellie's 1st clutch:
https://flic.kr/p/WoMVvjhttps://flic.kr/p/WoMVvj by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Abby's 1st engine:
https://flic.kr/p/WoMNGEhttps://flic.kr/p/WoMNGE by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Abby's 2nd engine:
https://flic.kr/p/WfMaErhttps://flic.kr/p/WfMaEr by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Patty's (ST165) engine:
https://flic.kr/p/Vb2aUYhttps://flic.kr/p/Vb2aUY by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Lilly's only engine:
https://flic.kr/p/WoMTKAhttps://flic.kr/p/WoMTKA by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Lilly's engine into the white car:
https://flic.kr/p/Vb2e31https://flic.kr/p/Vb2e31 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

.... I hate cars... The pics from Abby's second clutch are missing, as are the pics from pulling Ellie's engine to put into Patty.

And now the engine pull from this thread.

Which remind's me, this car still needs a name.....

Posted by: Box Jul 22, 2019 - 2:58 PM

Hmmmm, you should hold a naming contest with the winner receiving a pack of Trident Layers.

Posted by: navseal345 Jul 22, 2019 - 7:00 PM

"Not again" or "F***in Karen"

Posted by: Bitter Jul 23, 2019 - 12:33 AM

GT-Whore
Pickles
Elliot
****y Mc ****face
Black Betty (amberlamps)

Posted by: Box Jul 23, 2019 - 2:41 AM

I'm going to say...

Stella

Then you can go, "STELLAAAAAAA!!!!!!" as you fall to your knees shaking your fists at the sky when anything goes wrong.

Posted by: enderswift Jul 23, 2019 - 7:06 AM

My vote is for either GT-whore or Stella

Posted by: navseal345 Jul 23, 2019 - 12:09 PM

GT-4hore

Posted by: Bitter Jul 23, 2019 - 1:28 PM

I second Stella.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jul 24, 2019 - 7:33 AM

Alex: Per your request...

https://flic.kr/p/2gFvxEjhttps://flic.kr/p/2gFvxEj by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2gFvxEuhttps://flic.kr/p/2gFvxEu by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2gFuQWuhttps://flic.kr/p/2gFuQWu by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

And for the Jordan and Chee La:

https://flic.kr/p/2gFvxwyhttps://flic.kr/p/2gFvxwy by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

Posted by: Bitter Jul 24, 2019 - 8:00 AM

Oh wow, you got the engine out.

Posted by: cheela Jul 24, 2019 - 9:01 AM

haha! I love it!

Posted by: Box Jul 24, 2019 - 1:23 PM

Such sass. laugh.gif

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Jul 25, 2019 - 11:03 PM

Chris is da man.

Posted by: narly_charley Jul 26, 2019 - 7:16 AM

That's one sexy power steering pump...

Posted by: bloodMoney Aug 5, 2019 - 9:57 AM

Was granted some free time Saturday to dig into the issue.

Found a new use for the lift:
https://flic.kr/p/2gQx9Dfhttps://flic.kr/p/2gQx9Df by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

The box fought me a bit. I guess now we know why:
https://flic.kr/p/2gQx9yWhttps://flic.kr/p/2gQx9yW by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

As I removed the pressure plate bolts, things started to fall out...
https://flic.kr/p/2gQxYJEhttps://flic.kr/p/2gQxYJE by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

After all is said and done:
https://flic.kr/p/2gQx9Cyhttps://flic.kr/p/2gQx9Cy by https://www.flickr.com/photos/82883612@N03/, on Flickr

I'm glad it's not the box. Now I just need to order up parts to get it back together.

Posted by: narly_charley Aug 5, 2019 - 10:23 AM

Awesome. Easy peasy!

Posted by: Box Aug 5, 2019 - 12:18 PM

Well there's your problem. tongue.gif At least it was just the clutch.

Posted by: Bitter Aug 5, 2019 - 2:47 PM

Well that clutch hub jumped the **** out of there. Thankfully it didn't do any damage to the surroundings!

Posted by: enderswift Aug 5, 2019 - 5:02 PM

I am beyond amazed that everything stayed concentric after it sheared

Posted by: richee3 Aug 5, 2019 - 6:23 PM

Thatíll stop a car from moving under itís own power pretty quick...

Posted by: bloodMoney Sep 13, 2019 - 7:30 AM

No photos, but I did get the intercooler pump rebuilt last night.

It won't be making any more noise. We tested it with a power probe after reassembly and it still made a little noise, but you won't hear it when it's in the car. woot.gif

Posted by: Box Sep 13, 2019 - 11:50 AM

Huzzah!

Posted by: bloodMoney Sep 13, 2019 - 1:56 PM

After it being apart for more than 6 weeks, I need to start celebrating even the little victories.

Who knew that kids required so much time.... laugh.gif

Posted by: Box Sep 13, 2019 - 2:40 PM

Even small steps forward is still progress.

They're worth it though, and no one can fault you for having priorities in order. thumbsup.gif

Posted by: bloodMoney Oct 14, 2019 - 8:19 AM

Well, I thought I had all the parts to change the clutch, but when I pulled off the flywheel to replace the friction disk:




Turns out, this flywheel was from an early production run that Fidanza did for the 3S, and they no longer support the old bolt pattern. It took two weeks, but in the end, they took really good care of me and we worked out a deal for a new flywheel. Let's just say, that they have earned my return business and my recommendation to anyone looking for a lightweight flywheel. Customer service was top notch.


Now, I can start getting this thing back together.

Posted by: NgoFcukinWay Oct 14, 2019 - 8:28 AM

Aside from the clutch chatter I get, I really like the Fidanza flywheel that I have in the Supra.

Posted by: narly_charley Oct 14, 2019 - 8:53 AM

Good customer service is where I always go. That's why I love Amazon so much. I've used and abused their return policy so much, and they continue to keep me as a customer because I know I'll always be taken care of.

Posted by: bloodMoney Oct 14, 2019 - 2:13 PM

Forgot to mention that my new plates came in too....



laugh.gif

Posted by: cheela Oct 14, 2019 - 3:02 PM

haha!! PERFECT!!

Posted by: navseal345 Oct 14, 2019 - 6:24 PM

That's a good plate.

Posted by: enderswift Oct 14, 2019 - 6:29 PM

I cant see any pattern difference between the two. Must be rlly rlly small

Posted by: Bitter Oct 14, 2019 - 7:15 PM

You're gonna get profiled double hard Chris, for being brown and for being racecar.

Wait, maybe they'll think Stace is driving and won't pull you over, sneaky sneaky!

Posted by: Box Oct 14, 2019 - 11:22 PM

Wooo!!! Now for the exciting part leading up to the fun part? Sure. tongue.gif

Posted by: bloodMoney Nov 25, 2019 - 10:37 AM

UPDATES!!!

Played hooky from work on Friday to try to get the car together.

Started the day:


The new flywheel had a dowel that was off by a hair, making it impossible to bolt the pressure plate to the motor. I broke a bolt in the attempt to force it on mechanically.

After drilling out the broken bolt, and finding a suitable replacement in the spare parts bins, we were ready to assemble.

Semi-clean trans with the new Toyota release bearing.


With everything together, my helper and I pushed the car onto the lift and removed the E/W crossmember, with the engine impatiently waiting to go home.

I could LITERALLY hear it tapping it's foot in frustration.....

So, we quickly got the crossmember out and the car down over the engine. But first, let me take a selfie:




That's it for pictures.

We did get the engine in, the exhaust up, and the cross-members on, so now it's just buttoning up the little things.

OH, I did crush two of the body side connectors when I put the engine on it's side to assemble the engine set, so I need to find replacements before I can get the car running again.




Posted by: enderswift Nov 25, 2019 - 2:54 PM

Looks awesome Chris.

What a pain in the ass that a clutch job on these is a manadory engine removal..but you're gonna love the southbend when its all wrapped up


Also,

Im still very jealous of the lift

Posted by: Bitter Nov 25, 2019 - 8:16 PM

I see you also use the same low profile engine stand that we use at the shop.

Posted by: bloodMoney Nov 26, 2019 - 8:32 AM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Nov 25, 2019 - 9:16 PM) *
I see you also use the same low profile engine stand that we use at the shop.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

My movers dolly with a spare tire? Yea.... I tried just using the dolly when the engine came out, but the lift wouldn't go low enough to get it all the way down. It takes up the extra space I needed.

Posted by: Bitter Nov 26, 2019 - 2:10 PM

We have a particular runflat tire from the rear of a C5 or C6 Corvette we use, super stiff tread and sidewall works a treat to hold almost any engine or transmission.

Posted by: Zake Nov 26, 2019 - 8:38 PM

way to scare me away from ever buying one... kindasad.gif can't wait for you to have hew back on the road!

Posted by: Bitter Nov 26, 2019 - 8:59 PM

QUOTE (Zake @ Nov 26, 2019 - 7:38 PM) *
way to scare me away from ever buying one... kindasad.gif can't wait for you to have hew back on the road!

Where the heck have you been hiding? laugh.gif Need to get you to a meet somewhere somehow.

Posted by: bloodMoney Nov 27, 2019 - 8:42 AM

QUOTE (Zake @ Nov 26, 2019 - 8:38 PM) *
way to scare me away from ever buying one... kindasad.gif can't wait for you to have hew back on the road!


Seriously.... Who the hell are you???? tongue.gif tongue.gif

Realistically, it's not really any more difficult than any other AWD Celica.

Posted by: cheela Nov 27, 2019 - 9:40 AM

hey Zake,
I see you're new to the forums. Don't worry about bloodmoney, he's been around forever and has killed plenty of celicas. If you're looking for a gt-four don't go based off of anything you see in this thread. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: njccmd2002 Nov 27, 2019 - 10:47 AM

whats the deal with all these gt4s people are buyin? are they really that good? I bet any 7a with a chinese ebay turbo battery supercharger with interfooler can beat the gt4.

are those plugs the ecu plugs? i may have some ecu plugs somewhere.

Posted by: bloodMoney Nov 27, 2019 - 2:06 PM

QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 27, 2019 - 11:47 AM) *
whats the deal with all these gt4s people are buyin? are they really that good? I bet any 7a with a chinese ebay turbo battery supercharger with interfooler can beat the gt4.

are those plugs the ecu plugs? i may have some ecu plugs somewhere.


Daniel looked and didn't have a 26-pin like the first picture. So if you can take a look and see maybe, it would help a lot.

Posted by: njccmd2002 Nov 27, 2019 - 3:06 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Nov 27, 2019 - 1:06 PM) *
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 27, 2019 - 11:47 AM) *
whats the deal with all these gt4s people are buyin? are they really that good? I bet any 7a with a chinese ebay turbo battery supercharger with interfooler can beat the gt4.

are those plugs the ecu plugs? i may have some ecu plugs somewhere.


Daniel looked and didn't have a 26-pin like the first picture. So if you can take a look and see maybe, it would help a lot.



name of the plug? IJ1, mmmh 26 pin. trying to remember where that goes to.... been a while.

it does look like ecu....

Posted by: Zake Nov 27, 2019 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Nov 26, 2019 - 10:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Zake @ Nov 26, 2019 - 7:38 PM) *
way to scare me away from ever buying one... kindasad.gif can't wait for you to have hew back on the road!

Where the heck have you been hiding? laugh.gif Need to get you to a meet somewhere somehow.

I would like to, it's difficult with being 1500 miles away -_- every time I think I have the money and time, something happens..


QUOTE (cheela @ Nov 27, 2019 - 11:40 AM) *
hey Zake,
I see you're new to the forums. Don't worry about bloodmoney, he's been around forever and has killed plenty of celicas. If you're looking for a gt-four don't go based off of anything you see in this thread. laugh.gif laugh.gif

and bags of charcoal laugh.gif

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Nov 27, 2019 - 4:06 PM) *
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 27, 2019 - 11:47 AM) *
whats the deal with all these gt4s people are buyin? are they really that good? I bet any 7a with a chinese ebay turbo battery supercharger with interfooler can beat the gt4.

are those plugs the ecu plugs? i may have some ecu plugs somewhere.


Daniel looked and didn't have a 26-pin like the first picture. So if you can take a look and see maybe, it would help a lot.

ooh ok, never did know the procedure on it

Posted by: Bitter Nov 27, 2019 - 11:33 PM

QUOTE (Zake @ Nov 27, 2019 - 9:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Bitter @ Nov 26, 2019 - 10:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Zake @ Nov 26, 2019 - 7:38 PM) *
way to scare me away from ever buying one... kindasad.gif can't wait for you to have hew back on the road!

Where the heck have you been hiding? laugh.gif Need to get you to a meet somewhere somehow.

I would like to, it's difficult with being 1500 miles away -_- every time I think I have the money and time, something happens..

We're doing a tail of the dragon meet now it seems, had one this past summer and as far as I know will do one again next summer.

Posted by: bloodMoney Dec 2, 2019 - 10:16 AM

Spent an hour on Friday finishing the mounting for the E/W crossmember, got the driveshaft in, and the axles installed.

Just need to tighten down the axle nuts, and the lower mount bolt for the strut to the figure 8. That will complete securing the engine set mechanically.





After this, its just making the connections, installing the radiator, fluids, and we can start her up.

Once I replace the crushed connectors that is.....

Posted by: navseal345 Dec 2, 2019 - 8:42 PM

QUOTE (Zake @ Nov 26, 2019 - 8:38 PM) *
way to scare me away from ever buying one... kindasad.gif can't wait for you to have hew back on the road!


I don't why you're complaining... you traded in a 6gc for a v6 Mustang.

Posted by: Bitter Dec 2, 2019 - 9:12 PM

Chris, it looks like your new garage has been a very uplifting experience for you.

Posted by: enderswift Dec 2, 2019 - 9:23 PM

sweet. Might be worth taking it for a cruise if the snow holds out a bit longer. What're you planning next?

Posted by: bloodMoney Dec 3, 2019 - 10:07 AM

Unfortunately, because of the Antique plates, I can only drive her to the gas station, shop, or a show until March.

So, after I get her back together, she'll get a full tank of gas with Stabil, and we'll start talking to the body shop again.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jan 3, 2020 - 9:20 AM

Funny that it's back today!

UPDATE: I got the car all back together, went to start, and nothing. It would crank, but would not fire over. Traced it back to a fuel issue, and was able to get the car to fire on starter fluid.

Spent a few days half-heartedly searching for the issue, but was able to dedicate most of the day yesterday to it. As it turns out, the photo that I took for reference for the 16-pin connector had two wires switched, so I re-pinned it incorrectly. It dawned on me to look at the male connector for reference since the fuel pump wiring is the same color from the front of the car to the back (Blue w/Black stripe). Once I corrected the wiring the car fired right up.

Now I just need to fill the cooling systems and the power steering system and we should be good to go.

Posted by: narly_charley Jan 3, 2020 - 10:20 AM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Dec 3, 2019 - 10:07 AM) *
So, after I get her back together, she'll get a full tank of gas with Stabil, and we'll start talking to the body shop again.


Not sure if you have any Casey's gas stations around you, but some of them carry 93 octane ethanol free pump gas. One a town over from me carries it and I use it for my small engine stuff, including my two stroke string trimmer and blower.

Posted by: bloodMoney Jan 3, 2020 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE (narly_charley @ Jan 3, 2020 - 11:20 AM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Dec 3, 2019 - 10:07 AM) *
So, after I get her back together, she'll get a full tank of gas with Stabil, and we'll start talking to the body shop again.


Not sure if you have any Casey's gas stations around you, but some of them carry 93 octane ethanol free pump gas. One a town over from me carries it and I use it for my small engine stuff, including my two stroke string trimmer and blower.


The closest one is 23 miles from me. It would cost me 1/4 tank just to get there and back. It'd be one hell of a break-in run though.....

Posted by: narly_charley Jan 3, 2020 - 10:47 AM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jan 3, 2020 - 11:29 AM) *
QUOTE (narly_charley @ Jan 3, 2020 - 11:20 AM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Dec 3, 2019 - 10:07 AM) *
So, after I get her back together, she'll get a full tank of gas with Stabil, and we'll start talking to the body shop again.


Not sure if you have any Casey's gas stations around you, but some of them carry 93 octane ethanol free pump gas. One a town over from me carries it and I use it for my small engine stuff, including my two stroke string trimmer and blower.


The closest one is 23 miles from me. It would cost me 1/4 tank just to get there and back. It'd be one hell of a break-in run though.....


YES! lol. I would just call ahead of time. Chicago doesn't have much for ethanol free gas. It's crazy how much it tears up aluminum (in small engines). It's basically poison for two stroke engines. I pair it with Amsoil Saber stroke oil and they start on the first pull, every time.

Posted by: richee3 Jan 15, 2020 - 6:10 PM

So as someone who has all three generations of GT-Four (even if the 185 is a little more rusty,) what are your thoughts? Is the 205 any better than the others or would you still take Stacyís 165 to the Dragon?

Posted by: bloodMoney Jan 16, 2020 - 8:23 AM

QUOTE (richee3 @ Jan 15, 2020 - 6:10 PM) *
So as someone who has all three generations of GT-Four (even if the 185 is a little more rusty,) what are your thoughts? Is the 205 any better than the others or would you still take Stacy’s 165 to the Dragon?


The 205 is, by far, the BEST of the three (in factory trim); in terms of chassis development. Toyota had applied all the lessons learned from the previous two generations along with some 3rd gen Group B rallying, to designing the chassis/suspension and it shows. This car is the 7th celica I've owned in the last 20 years (9th if you count the two parts cars), and so far has lived up to the hype.

That being said, we'll see in the spring, after her first track day, if I still feel the same way. smile.gif

As far as taking the 165 back down to the Dragon, I would drive anything just to get back down there.....

Posted by: bloodMoney Jan 17, 2020 - 9:19 AM

Got it all buttoned back up and on the ground last night.

Took her for a test drive with no issues. I have no check engine lights or weird sounds....

My only issue is that I have a high idle ~2k RPM. If I pull the IAC hose and plug it, the idle drops to about 1k, but that's still high as the idle is supposed to be ~750.

I also need to find some weather-proof connectors so that I can quickly connect my gauge wiring. It's one of the last things I need to do still, as I had to cut the wires to get it all out.

Posted by: enderswift Jan 17, 2020 - 1:01 PM

This is a guess, but the power steering idle-up switch has two vac lines running to it. Mine tore at one point and fed extra air into the IAC junction pipe. They are very close to the transfer case so it's also easy to dislodge them during a trans install

Posted by: Bitter Jan 17, 2020 - 9:18 PM

QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jan 17, 2020 - 8:19 AM) *
I also need to find some weather-proof connectors so that I can quickly connect my gauge wiring. It's one of the last things I need to do still, as I had to cut the wires to get it all out.

How many pins and what wire gauge?

I like Weatherpack stuff, it's cheap and works well. Not as awesome as Douche connectors but still pretty good. You can get them in 2 to 4 wire in that style pretty easily and in other styles for more wires. You're supposed to have a special crimper for them but if you're not a ham fisted idiot you can do it with any decent regular crimper to get the wire held and just solder it to make sure it's a solid connection. Hardest part is getting the fingers wrapped around the rubber plug in a somewhat round manner.
https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Pin-Weather-Pack-Connector/dp/B0051PFA5O

Posted by: bloodMoney Jan 20, 2020 - 9:24 AM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jan 17, 2020 - 9:18 PM) *
QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jan 17, 2020 - 8:19 AM) *
I also need to find some weather-proof connectors so that I can quickly connect my gauge wiring. It's one of the last things I need to do still, as I had to cut the wires to get it all out.

How many pins and what wire gauge?

I like Weatherpack stuff, it's cheap and works well. Not as awesome as Douche connectors but still pretty good. You can get them in 2 to 4 wire in that style pretty easily and in other styles for more wires. You're supposed to have a special crimper for them but if you're not a ham fisted idiot you can do it with any decent regular crimper to get the wire held and just solder it to make sure it's a solid connection. Hardest part is getting the fingers wrapped around the rubber plug in a somewhat round manner.
https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Pin-Weather-Pack-Connector/dp/B0051PFA5O


I have two, two-wire connections to make. I'm thinking these, because they are already pinned.

https://www.amazon.com/Bordan-Waterproof-Electrical-Connector-Harness/dp/B079GS2C7B/ref=sr_1_34?keywords=weather&qid=1579529943&s=automotive&sr=1-34

I'm lazy. lol

Posted by: Bitter Jan 20, 2020 - 2:55 PM

Ived used those or something very similar, if you're not moving power or ground of many amps they're ok. I wasn't thrilled with how tight the seals fit so I packed them with thick silicone grease. Should probably pack all the electrical connections to make sure there's nothing wicking in on humid days in storage.

Posted by: narly_charley Jan 20, 2020 - 3:47 PM

QUOTE (Bitter @ Jan 20, 2020 - 2:55 PM) *
Ived used those or something very similar, if you're not moving power or ground of many amps they're ok. I wasn't thrilled with how tight the seals fit so I packed them with thick silicone grease. Should probably pack all the electrical connections to make sure there's nothing wicking in on humid days in storage.


I was just about to say the same thing about the dielectric grease, I'd pack em and then you never have to worry about them.

Posted by: Lorelei6gc Feb 7, 2020 - 12:37 PM

Poking my head in to subscribe to your thread. wink.gif

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