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Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 7, 2009 - 6:22 PM

A few months back I started the research, measuring, freezing fingering task to fit ST205 brakes on a USDM Celica.

the first step was to pair a ST205 caliper on USDM system to see what were the differences, well, the bolt holes are EXACTLY at the same distance, but unlike our stock calipers, the ST205 calipers have no thread on them, reason being that these ( st205 ) calipers are mount on the back of the knuckle, not on front like the stock ones, so this presents the first thing we need to work on, the other issue was rotors, no need to remind you how small the USDM rotors are, so they are useless here, we had a set of ST205 rotors, but there are 3 main problems with them, first, in order to fit them on our suspension, the caliper has to be modified, this modification involves grinding a few mm ( ~ 10 ) out of the bracket so the rotor falls dead center with the caliper, the second issue is that with the location of our holes on the knuckle the caliper can not accept anything bigger than 300 mm, and the 3rd problem is that ST205 rotors are not available in the states, the cost for them overseas + shipping charges = way out of my and most people price range ( ~ US$600.00 )


so ok, the first thing I did was ordered a set of IS300 as there was a rumor that they'd fit, hmmmm no, they don't, but at least with them I took some measurements that helped me get on the right path, I got on the phone with a partner in business, and using the measurements and the specs of USDM and ST205 celica, we came up with a rotor that seem to fit " in theory " lol.

I got such rotors a week later, and we tried them on, the fitment was PERFECT, for the caliper we, took the knuckle off and thread tap them, so no we have how to bolt the calipers, and have rotors that fit, went to tried them on the car, and guess what ? everything works perfectly, just one last thing, the wheels didn't fit, so right now we're waiting for my spacers to get here, so fit them on.

to resume..
here are the step to fit ST205 brakes on a USDM celica

1. take the knuckle off the car and thread tap them thread taps are available anywhere, buy matching bolts for the thread you are tapping ( grade 8 bolts please ) use a 1/2 x 20 tap or finer thread. ( the one used on the pictures is 9/16 x 20 but no need to go that big as that will require to drill the hole to make it a little bigger.

2. order these Custom rotors from me tongue.gif ( before you ask, if for some reason I can't supply them to you anymore, all the specs are sources will be posted, I'm not gonna screw anyone )

3. install, you'll most likely need new brake lines as the stock ones are not long enough, so take the opportunity and buy some Stainless Steel lines.

for brake pads, go to your local dealer, ST205 brake pads are exactly the same as Supra Twin turbo brakes,

4. if you need spacers for your wheels, I can supply those as well, I'm working numbers to offer a discounted price if you order rotors and spacers at the same time.


now enjoy the pictures, and let me know if there is any question.

























*the pictures show the rotor a little rusty, because they've been outside for a while, also things are just mocked on, not tighten as the calipers are still being painted. what you're looking at is a work in progress.

These are the spacers I'll be offering to everyone, hubcentric, made out of forged Aluminum, CNC machined, with longer studs. they'll be offer on thickness of 10 mm, 15mm, and 20 mm.

Posted by: pipes Jun 7, 2009 - 6:49 PM

good job culp soon you will be feeling 12 piston stopping power!!!! nice though really nice welcome to the big brake club lol

Posted by: vincent_doggy Jun 7, 2009 - 7:24 PM

Welcome pal, can start your late brake practice!!!

Posted by: _Jim_ Jun 7, 2009 - 9:07 PM

GREAT LOOKING KIT STEVENSON! I CANT WAIT FOR THE SPACERS! thumbsup.gif

Posted by: Rusty Jun 8, 2009 - 12:53 AM

so (im just making sure) a tiny bit of grinding rethreading some holes and they will fit? and will bolt straight in to McPhearson Suspension set up?? (apart from the wheel spacers)whats the size (radius) of your ST brake rotor?

HHhhmmmmm

TRDGT4 I need to speak to you laugh.gif

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 8, 2009 - 6:12 AM

You will also need the rotors on the pictures, they are custom machined for this set-up.

So whoever needs a set can just let me know.

These rotors are 297 mm

Posted by: malpaso Jun 8, 2009 - 6:24 AM

You are great... Can't wait to work on something like this for my car as well. Only pity thing is I was so stupid and bought Lexus IS300 calipers already... What a waste of money frown.gif.

Posted by: boosted95 Jun 8, 2009 - 8:42 AM

culp, please pardon the thread jack***

ive got all 4 calipers, all 4 brakelines, and all 4 brake pads.
all you need to swap brakes to a usdm celi minus culps rotors, and incase your blind; you know where to get those!

pm's, no lowballers! buy em quick before i slap em up on ebay

sorry again stevenson for the thread jack***

Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 8, 2009 - 7:26 PM

Can you supply custom slotted rotors (front & rear) fit to match an ST205?

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 8, 2009 - 7:37 PM

QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Jun 8, 2009 - 7:26 PM) *
Can you supply custom slotted rotors (front & rear) fit to match an ST205?



the only thing stopping me from developing a rear rotor to fit with this set-up is that I still don't have a set of rear calipers, once I get them I'll get on that, I already have most of the specs, but don't wanna go blind at it, need rear calipers to take actual measurements.

BTW front rotors, can be drilled, slotted, plain, or slotted / drilled all at the same price, US$200.00 shipped, some of you are in Canada, so the cost of shipping will be different, but not by much, as shipping rotors even within US cost some money anyways, and for those wanting the whole front and rear set-up don't be afraid, I'll be working on that as soon as I get my hands on some rear calipers.


to Azian_advanced


for ST205 I have a rotor that will work for the front, for the same reason described above I still have nothing for the rear, but I do have a rotor that can fit on ST205's front

Posted by: playr158 Jun 8, 2009 - 9:25 PM

QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Jun 7, 2009 - 7:22 PM) *
out of the bracket so the caliper falls dead center with the caliper, t

2. order these Custom rotors from me tongue.gif ( before you ask, if for some reason I can't supply them to you anymore, all the specs are sources will be posted, I'm not gonna screw anyone )



how does a caliper fall dead center on itself....


and #2 you lie.

but great work dude this is yet another beneficial contribution to the community to make these cars one bit better thumbsup.gif

Posted by: azian_advanced Jun 8, 2009 - 10:32 PM

cool, i guess i'll wait til you get the rears sorted out. the rotors will need to be replaced about 2 months from now and i may as well get slotted rotors from you than have them sourced from Japan at a higher cost.
and thx for confirming that supra TT pads are the same as st205s. i searched & searched but couldn't find a solid confirmation if it was true.. until now.

Posted by: _Jim_ Jun 9, 2009 - 9:58 AM

QUOTE (playr158 @ Jun 8, 2009 - 9:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Jun 7, 2009 - 7:22 PM) *
out of the bracket so the caliper falls dead center with the caliper, t

2. order these Custom rotors from me tongue.gif ( before you ask, if for some reason I can't supply them to you anymore, all the specs are sources will be posted, I'm not gonna screw anyone )



how does a caliper fall dead center on itself....


and #2 you lie.

but great work dude this is yet another beneficial contribution to the community to make these cars one bit better thumbsup.gif


Oh come on, you know what he ment (I would hope). The ROTOR falls dead center of the caliper, just to clear that up. Typos suck.

Why does he lie, what are you talking about?

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 9, 2009 - 11:07 AM

QUOTE (_Jim_ @ Jun 9, 2009 - 10:58 AM) *
Why does he lie, what are you talking about?



He's refering to my comment on the chat room about posting the specs, but after all the work I did, and the research, plus testing, is just fair that I get something back from this. plus, the price is not out of anyone's range, is just what rotors cost anyways, of top of that, I'm working on doin g the same for the rear.

Can you get BETTER rotors somewhere else ? yes, at the same price ? NO.

This rotors are based of a new luxury car, so irt's not like I can hop on Ebay and grab them for 30 dollars like you can do with civic rotors.


Thanks for all the comments to everyone, I appreciate your inputs ( positive or negative )

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 12, 2009 - 11:13 AM

Culp, what size wheels are you running on your setup? Where is the clearance issue on the wheel? Is it that the actual backside of the face of the wheel needing spacing or "other"?

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 12, 2009 - 1:41 PM

I have 16s, we tried it on jim's 17s and he needs at least ~7mm to clear the calipers, this kit will fit on 16s or bigger wheels, but the issue is the offset of the wheels,thus why we need spacers. If you have wheels with an offset of ~35 i dont expect any issue for the kit to go on without spacers.

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 12, 2009 - 1:49 PM

QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Jun 12, 2009 - 1:41 PM) *
I have 16s, we tried it on jim's 17s and he needs at least ~7mm to clear the calipers, this kit will fit on 16s or bigger wheels, but the issue is the offset of the wheels,thus why we need spacers. If you have wheels with an offset of ~35 i dont expect any issue for the kit to go on without spacers.


Interesting. My 18x8's with the +35 offset would probably look better with something like this hiding behind it............

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 12, 2009 - 2:58 PM

Fastbird, start hunting down your ST205 calipers, or if you're not too picky about the CELICA name on them, I can get you 4 piston toyota calipers re manufactured by Toyota, they are exactly the same calipers, even use the same brake pads and part,s but they don't say Celica on them. PM me for details if interested.

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 12, 2009 - 4:42 PM

QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Jun 12, 2009 - 2:58 PM) *
Fastbird, start hunting down your ST205 calipers, or if you're not too picky about the CELICA name on them, I can get you 4 piston toyota calipers re manufactured by Toyota, they are exactly the same calipers, even use the same brake pads and part,s but they don't say Celica on them. PM me for details if interested.


PM Sent!

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 17, 2009 - 7:35 PM

You've inspired me man. I'm lining up calipers right now. More to come!

Posted by: AnaXyd Jun 18, 2009 - 7:15 AM

Fantastic! Exactly what I have been looking for! Need to upgrade the brakes for my future swap. Will this fit the european versions of AT200 too? (McPherson)

Could you show some pictures of where you did grind some off on the caliper?

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 18, 2009 - 8:19 AM

the calipers are completely stock, no grinding is required with the rotors I used.

if you use ST205 rotors then you have to grind some, but I don't like this as this weakens the caliper bracket, and that's not something I can deal with.


Posted by: AnaXyd Jun 18, 2009 - 9:47 AM

Same here, I dont like weak spots in my breaking system. It may end in total disaster..

So, you can supply the rotors which DONT needs to be grinded?

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 18, 2009 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (AnaXyd @ Jun 18, 2009 - 9:47 AM) *
Same here, I dont like weak spots in my breaking system. It may end in total disaster..

So, you can supply the rotors which DONT needs to be grinded?


yes, I can supply rotors that will install with no modification, you will only have to thread your knuckle, if people want I can even supply the thread tap and the bolts, they are really cheap ( maybe ~ 30 dollars between taps and bolts grade 8 )


Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 18, 2009 - 11:12 AM

this is a picture of a ST205 stock rotor ( underneath ) and a 297 mm rotor ( top ) the different is not much, so there is not much suprface area lost when using 300 mm rotorsm the reason why we can't use anything bigger than 300 mm is not because of the balljoint like people though, but because the caliper mounted on the kknuckle doesn't have room for anything bigger.

Posted by: AnaXyd Jun 18, 2009 - 2:06 PM

Have you tested that this works on the car, yet? smile.gif

Okay, could you sell the calipers, rotors, thread tap and bolts? Like a kit? smile.gif

That would be really awesome, if this fits my car. AT200 from Norway. Does it?

And: Do somebody know the original rotor size on AT200?

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 18, 2009 - 5:19 PM

QUOTE (AnaXyd @ Jun 18, 2009 - 3:06 PM) *
Have you tested that this works on the car, yet? smile.gif

Okay, could you sell the calipers, rotors, thread tap and bolts? Like a kit? smile.gif

That would be really awesome, if this fits my car. AT200 from Norway. Does it?

And: Do somebody know the original rotor size on AT200?


I'm waiting for my studs to get here so I can install the spacers and test it, I won't sell / accept any payments until I test this and have solid information to back up any claims.

my car is a AT200 as well, and this will fit on any mcpherson suspension 6gc.
I can't supply you with calipers, and I think you'll be able to find them easier in europe and cheaper too than what I pay for calipers here.

so get those and I can sell a conversion kit that includes rotors, thread tap, bolts, and spacers ( optional / depends on your wheel offset. )

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 18, 2009 - 5:42 PM

You're not using that rotor in the pic are you? Those new holes that were drilled are horribly off center.

Posted by: _Jim_ Jun 18, 2009 - 6:27 PM

BWHAHAHAHAHAH HELL NO! This was in the beginning when he was going threw the "testing" phase. There was A LOT of research, money, and time put into this kit to make it as close to bolt on as possible, and he did an AMAZING job with it. It truly is "factory like" setup. If you can change your own brakes, you can install this kit. it TRULY is as simple as that.

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 18, 2009 - 6:49 PM

QUOTE (Fastbird @ Jun 18, 2009 - 5:42 PM) *
You're not using that rotor in the pic are you? Those new holes that were drilled are horribly off center.


I have the other rotor that came along with that one, still here at home along with some others lol, if anyone is looking for single rotors I'm the guy to ask lol

that picture is just to show people the difference between 315 mm and 297 mm, the rotor in picture is a IS300 front rotor, the bolt pattern was not the same as the Celica so we made holes with a drill just to get it to slide on the studs so we could see if it'd fit or not.


Posted by: Rusty Jun 18, 2009 - 7:24 PM

quite inerested in this
right so just make sure for now.
I can get my hands on these GT4 brakes (about US$500 front & rear calipers & rotors), I know that I will need your 297mm front rotors.

thread tap the knuckle, install the rotors and calipers (ST205 brake pads), new brake lines (will the flexible brake lines from a ST205 fit?)
here are the part numbers

QUOTE (toyodiy)
47313A HOSE, FLEXIBLE, NO.1 (FOR FRONT)
90947-02765 ST205; RH
90947-02768 ST205; LH
90947-02845 ST205; RH
90947-02846 ST205; LH

47318F HOSE, FLEXIBLE (FOR REAR RH)
90947-02771 ST205
90947-02853 ST205

then bigger rims in my case wink.gif

can you go over the rear brakes for me please, when you have the info

thanks

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 18, 2009 - 8:11 PM

any ST205 brake lines ( OEM / aftermarket ) will work perfectly.

I'll make a write up for the rears when I get my hands on the rear calipers, but so far I think is a bolt on thing, we just need spacers to make the caliper go back ( in ) a little, I remember there are a member who did this and those were his findings, so I'll verify that and make a clear long post for everyone.


Posted by: delusionz Jun 19, 2009 - 3:06 AM

I'll be watching this thread closely too, I also can obtain ST205 brakes between $500 and $1000 NZD and was interested in applying them to our SS-III with superstrut for the missus so hopefully she keeps the front bumper in-tact tongue.gif

One thing I'm wondering is if I would be able to skimp out on the gt4's rear 2 pots and just move the ss-iii's front 2pots to the rear?

I'll also keep you guys posted about whether the GT4 brakes are a no modification upgrade to the SS-III being they both have identical factory 6-spoke wheels (16x7.5) and the same superstrut suspension (I'm not sure if they are identical since the gt4's suspension feels like it has stiffer oem springs).

Oh yeah, I recommend 17" wheels for this, the clearance (front & back) between the calipers and the inside of the factory wheels on the gt4 is about 6mm

Posted by: delusionz Jun 19, 2009 - 3:13 AM

PS. The GT4's stopping power impresses me more than it's engine power, Thumbs up to anyone who endeavors to add this to their ride, I guarantee they will be impressed and find every dollar/second invested worth while.

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 19, 2009 - 7:42 AM

I am finalizing a deal on a set of calipers right now for a deal -- $324 USD shipped from GB at the current exchange rate. biggrin.gif God I love the internet at times.

Culp, here's a link that may interest you and will keep costs on the rotors down: http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/braking-articles/480958-how-change-bolt-pattern.html

I am actually going to be making this jig myself here shortly after I get the calipers in because I've found some rotors I want to experiment with myself.

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 19, 2009 - 8:26 AM

QUOTE (Fastbird @ Jun 19, 2009 - 8:42 AM) *
I am finalizing a deal on a set of calipers right now for a deal -- $324 USD shipped from GB at the current exchange rate. biggrin.gif God I love the internet at times.

Culp, here's a link that may interest you and will keep costs on the rotors down: http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/braking-articles/480958-how-change-bolt-pattern.html

I am actually going to be making this jig myself here shortly after I get the calipers in because I've found some rotors I want to experiment with myself.



to get the 5 x 100 bolt pattern done by proffesionals cost next to nothing, so no I won't be trying this especially on rotors that will go on someone else's car, That is a good techinque and I already did something like that on paper ( jim and joey may recall the fancy drawing in start pattern and the 2 circles )




Posted by: Fastbird Jun 19, 2009 - 8:30 AM

QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Jun 19, 2009 - 8:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Fastbird @ Jun 19, 2009 - 8:42 AM) *
I am finalizing a deal on a set of calipers right now for a deal -- $324 USD shipped from GB at the current exchange rate. biggrin.gif God I love the internet at times.

Culp, here's a link that may interest you and will keep costs on the rotors down: http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/braking-articles/480958-how-change-bolt-pattern.html

I am actually going to be making this jig myself here shortly after I get the calipers in because I've found some rotors I want to experiment with myself.



to get the 5 x 100 bolt pattern done by proffesionals cost next to nothing, so no I won't be trying this especially on rotors that will go on someone else's car, That is a good techinque and I already did something like that on paper ( jim and joey may recall the fancy drawing in start pattern and the 2 circles )


How much is it costing you to have done and what place did you find to do it? By what place I mean what kind of place, machine shop, down the road brake shop, ect.

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 19, 2009 - 9:01 AM

lol It's done by the same places that distribute the rotors.


what else do you need to know to make your project easier ?

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 19, 2009 - 9:33 AM

QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Jun 19, 2009 - 9:01 AM) *
lol It's done by the same places that distribute the rotors.


what else do you need to know to make your project easier ?


Dude, do you realize how bad your little "I've got a secret" demeanor comes across? Call it what you will but you're really being a prick. All I asked was what kind of shop was drilling the rotors, just a curiousity question. I have the equipment in my garage to do the modification myself, and already planned on it. You're just dodging any type of financial information because you're potentially making good money off of this. Yes, you've put time and effort into this, but blatantly saying that because of that you're not going to give any information is poor character.

I for one will NOT be buying the rotors off of you because (and I hope I'm not the only one here) if you're not giving any of the rotor information. How do we know what the quality is, the reputation of the company, the warranty of the rotors (heaven forbid one crack and an accident ensue, you yourself could be held liable as the distributor/vendor..........did you ever think of that????). I would MUCH rather spend my own time researching and money testing than deal with you on it. And when I find what works, I'm going to give that information back to the community instead of say "Hey, look at this, but it's a secret so you can pay me."

Oh, and I'm calling BS on what you told me about the 296 mm rotor I PM'd You about. The rotor you're hawking to everyone is 297mm, yet you told me that a 296mm rotor is "too short, the pads will stick out some" yet in previous PM's you said that anything from 296-300 will work. Your sale tactics leave a LOT to be desired. You have been trying to bully me into "just buying the rotors from you" as you so eloquently put it since I first sent you a message. That is extremely poor from a salemanship standpoint. This is coming from a guy who actually runs a vendor site/business, takes care of his customers, and also has directions on his personal site on how to build my own product DIY. If you give people a choice, you'll find a much better name for yourself, and you may find that you don't lose many sales because people would rather pay for your stuff than go through the sourcing of parts and production of the items.

Don't get me wrong man, I (as well as the rest of the community) appreciate the work and research you've done. but you're going about this the wrong way and frankly, your attitude sucks, and I KNOW I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 19, 2009 - 9:41 AM

*edit* I'm going to start my own post for professional courtesy so as I don't hijack Culps post any more than it has been.

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 19, 2009 - 11:00 AM


I'm glad you pointed out the PMs, so that means they can be publicly posted here right ?

Before a car entusiast I'm a business man, everyone who knows me personally knows that, do you think me keeping this a private info is bad business ? then tell that to any company, go call mobil one and ask for their oil formula so you can mix it at home, or make your own coca cola too. I did all this with the intent of sharing the info, but the cost got too high as you'll find out if you do a proper research and not just slap whatever the internet says would work.

you asked me for the specs of my rotors so you could get " BETTER ONES " let me ask you something, did you ever asked me what kind of rotors I'm using ? how can you get better ones wihtout a point of reference of how bad mines are ? you want to do the re-drilling at home and you are calling my rotors cheap and unreliable ? did I think about me being liable for this ? yes, anyone who comes to the chat roon knows for how long I've been working on this, researching testing, because people I care for will be using this set-up, people who believe on my work will be buying these, and as it's state clearly you're not on that list.

do you know that if I give the information to everyone for free, and they get into an accidient due to this modification, I am also liable ? There is a reason why companies charge for R&D, but since I'm just a nobody, I should do all the research post the info for free to everyone and then get sued for it too. that would make me a cool person.

do I have a great personality? well, it depends who you ask, if you ask someone who tries to use me or make a fool of myself, the answer will be no.

I have had a registered business with the state of NJ for 3 years now, the only thing you know about me is whatever I decide is worthless enough to post for the worldwide world. I don't post my personal life here, I don't care for people to congratulate me for a new shiney little bolt on my car, so whatever comment you feel you need to make about how I'm not nice to you, do it.

give that Benz rotor a try, post back your results, so people can do stuff your way and not mine.

Posted by: DEATH Jun 19, 2009 - 1:25 PM

Fastbird: I've worked in sales for over ten years and I have NEVER heard of a company willing to publish it's specs to the point that a customer had the alternative to make a duplicate himself. Furthermore, I've been the Engineering Manager of a major corporation for just as long and it is one of my duties to ensure that the drawings given out to customers do NOT contain enough information for them to make a duplicate or to develope their own version of our products.
For you to call Culpable out on this and then to use that as your reasoning is not only 100% incorrect - it's just plain wrong to do so on a thread he made with the purpose of developing his own performance products.

Posted by: Fastbird Jun 19, 2009 - 2:04 PM

I wasn't asking for absolute specs. All I wanted to know was What car the rotor came off of, and further down the line What company the rotor was made by and who or what kind of shop was doing the drilling. Is that too much to ask??? When someone is just pulling pieces off the shelf until the find the right one, then end person here still gets left without knowing how to go about finding a new piece. They've got no background on the product or company, ect.

Did I ever ask for full specs like offset, thickness, center bore size, rotor hat size, ect??? I don't think so. All I asked was for some simple generic information. I like a lot of other enthusiasts have my own preferential parts to use also, hence my finding something better comment. NOWHERE did I say that your rotors were generic, cheap, or unreliable.

As for your "you'll find out the cost involved" comment, it's not rocket science. With a mic, some simple measurements, and some patient searching figuring out what will and won't work isn't that involved. Sure it may take a couple of trial and error rotors, but you seem to either have taken a shotgun approach to finding the right parts or you seem to be inflating what your actual research investment was.

Let me ask you this: The rotors that you're selling.......is there a warranty? Who warranties the rotor? Does it have to go back to you if there's a problem? Or is the customer going to get stiffed if something happens at the end of a warranty period and there's a justified claim?

Death, I called Culp out because of his attitude. I was looking at options and I got the "no that is too small to work" comment about one and he directly contradicted himself. His attitude is what got me doing this. I'm ont the only one who see's it. I think Culp needs to remember that no one pays for advertising or sponsoring on this forum and for him to take this blantant stance in order to make money is pretty shady. I never said he needs to give out all the specs.....actually here's what I sent him in regards to specs:

QUOTE
You may be curious why I am doing all of this researching? It's because I refuse to put parts on my car that I don't know what they're for or where I can immediately get a replacement. I simply won't take an unknown part, especially something as important as a braking component, and just slap it on. I need to know what it was originally intended for, what model it was produced for, ect. I'm also doing this because I'm looking at doing a couple of different configurations ont he caliper mounting (both front and back of knuckle, as well as bracket relocated.


Culp fails to mention that I've already talked about using a custom made caliper bracket to be able to use a larger rotor, but that's besides the point. The biggest thing in that quote is that I made it plain and clear that I'm asking these "specs" (what car, ect) because I WAS intending to purchase the rotors off of him. I'm a technical guy, so slapping on a part isn't enough for me. But being discreet to the point of shady when it comes to stuff like this isn't how to get it done either.

Posted by: Culpable04 Jun 19, 2009 - 5:49 PM

QUOTE
Ok, I've got a bead on two sets of front calipers right now. Good news is that they're cheap enough that I am probably going to buy both and flip the one set.

The rotors that you're using, are they slotted or anything??? I'd really like to know what they're off of to see if I could snag a higher quality piece like a Baer Eradispeed or a EBC rotor.

Are there larger rotors that you've tried that worked but had to be shaved down? Reason I ask is because I don't mind bracketing out the caliper, I've got the 18's so the more heat dissipating rotor I can get in there the better.

Thanks a ton dude.

Sean


you're gonna flip the calipers ? why ? to make money ? no way ? not you ? I know you are kidding.


since it was already specify that the rotor only needs to be re-drilled with the correct bolt pattern and you KNOW that, and so everyone else, wouldn't telling you which rotor it is, imply that you could do this on your own, using my information for it ? and everyone who bought a set of rotors ( not for sell anymore ) would have gotten all the needed info to get replacements from somewhere else if they wanted to or in case I fall dead or crashed due to brake failure.

for yours to have a higher quality don't you need a measuring point of the quality of mines so you can raise the bar ? you just assumed, didn't you ? or you have insight info on that too ?

I'm glad this gave you something to do at home, now go and spend the money poor guys like me are crying for, and you have extra laying around, just to prove my point.

you never had the intent of buying my rotors, and trust me, after seeing how you behave and disrespect anything is not done for / by you, there is not enough money in this world for me to sell them to you. you said you are a technical guy, where is the technique here ? get my specs ? and use them to buy some fancy discs with a lot of holes in it to show off pretty pictures online ? hmmmm there is a word for that type of people on the dictionary and it's not technical.

I WILL NOT SELL any rotors, unlike you, I don't NEED this money, but I guess you also knew that, because you already have a full opinion of my personality and I'm sure you would not have drawn that out of internet alone, like internet knights and keyboard warriors do.

There are more than 5 guides online that show you how to do this, yes, just use google and see how that goes, will it be reliable ? sure, google says so.
here some info you didn't post or didn't know

the benz rotor they used on the 7th gen is NOT available in the states, and in case you were to find one, you have to trim down a few mm of the caliper for it to align with the rotor, so let's see, the rotor has to be re-drilled, the caliper needs to be modified, and not available in the US, those were the same issues with using a ST205 rotor but we didn't have to re-drill them, so what was accomplished there ? NOTHING

there is another member here who here a write up on this, excellent write up, what's the issue with it ? he used ST205 rotors, NOT available in US and expensive to buy / ship from overseas. I'm a very lucky guy, I sat down, though about it for a second and said " hey let's try this X rotor " and it worked perfectly, so I must be the luckiest guy on earth, I mean, as many rotors that there are out there, and I just got the right one.


Mod please lock this, let's all wait patiently for Fastbird to find rotors that work, I'm sure he'll find one, in the end, just ask yourself, was it worthy ?
with the money you'll spend on this alone, you can just buy a Big brake kit meant for the 7th gen for ~ 800 and be done with it and have money left, but is a personal matter to you now, so just go ahead and prove yourself and the world that you can do it, and we will all stand and applause your success.













Posted by: presure2 Jun 19, 2009 - 6:04 PM

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