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lagos
a while back, i contaced a guy that sells motor mount inserts on mr2oc, about making some for our 6th gens. i figured it would be a great upgrade for anyone who has a gt or a swap. i got the first set of inserts a few weeks ago and instaled them this past weekend. they fit great and a nice upgrade over the stock mounts. you notice a lot more throttle response, smoother clutch engagement, as well as shifting, and you feel more connected with the engine. it should also greatly reduce wheel hop and help with traction becuase the motor wont rock back and forth as much as it does with the stock mounts. the other cool thing is that they insert over your existing mounts, so if for some reason you ever want to take them out, you can.

here is a pic of them installed on my car.

REAR MOUNT
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FRONT MOUNT
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finally... here is a pic of the rear motor mount that i filled myself about 1yr ago. it worked well at first, but as you can see it didnt last long
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last but not least, there is a really awesome Video review that an mr2 ower made about the mounts. i have to say that i pretty much agree with everything he said about them in the video. the install is a little bit different on our car then the mr2, but anyone with some basic tools can do the job. took me about 1-2hrs to do the whole thing.

direct link to the video:
http://www.lovehorsepower.com/Videos/MR2/M...nserts_NTSC.wmv
link to the website that did the review:
http://www.lovehorsepower.com/MR2_Docs/MotorMounts.htm

link to the site/person that made these and will be selling them. all sales questions should be emailed to kirk:
http://home.comcast.net/~kirkosaurus2/MR2_...ne_inserts.html
nik
would these work on the st mounts?
lagos
QUOTE(nik @ Aug 2, 2006 - 3:52 PM) [snapback]464591[/snapback]

would these work on the st mounts?


i dont think so. but if you have a pic of some ST mounts, post them and we can compare to make sure.

these will fit any car with a GT transmission. kirk also makes mounts for the mr2, so if anyone has a swap with an mr2 tranny, im sure he can mix and match a motor mount set for you that will work (gt front, mr2 rear inserts).
playr158
very nice!

how much is it for the set?
lagos
i belive its 50bucks shipped.... but dont quote me on that. thats just what kirk was selling the mr2 mounts for. i know these were harder to make so i dont know if there will be any price different on those. ill try to ask him for sure next time i talk to him. but i would expect them to be in the same price range.
sugarfree
Awsome, i just emailed him. Im swapping over to a beams, and the GT mounts are identicle, so this would be good since the motors not in the car yet.
hurley97
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QUOTE(nik @ Aug 2, 2006 - 3:52 PM) [snapback]464591[/snapback]

would these work on the st mounts?

i dont think so. but if you have a pic of some ST mounts, post them and we can compare to make sure.

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lagos
just taking a wild guess here, but the rear one looks the same as the GT. the front looks a little different tho.
Bitter
those ST mounts look the same as the ones in my prizm/corolla

*starts to think about replacing the cracking front mount*
Bigmeanbulldog55
I'll stick with my ugly home made ones for now, but it's nice to know I have an option.
hurley97
QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 2, 2006 - 4:46 PM) [snapback]464626[/snapback]

just taking a wild guess here, but the rear one looks the same as the GT. the front looks a little different tho.

i cant really see exactly what your front mount looks like but the rear one definitely looks the same to me as well
kirkosaurus
Hey Folks,

The price for the set is the same as the MR2 and Alltrac inserts, $50 shipped in the US.
All info can be found on my urethane motor mount insert webpage:

kirkosaurus.com

From the looks of those ST mounts the GT inserts should fit.

-kirk
Rayme
Mines are shot, vibrations like crazy, tons of wheel hope, hopeless jerking between shifting and annoying shimmy when accelerating in 1st and 2nd gear..


I'm sold, just ordered some smile.gif
WannabeGT4
What kind of condition do our stock ones need to be in? Mine are all still there just that the rubber isn't all one piece anymore.
kirkosaurus
Just a heads up, since the testing, fitting and varification was done just this week (thanks lagos!) it will probably be a few days until I get the first batch of these. That means they may not ship until early next week.

thanks,
-kirk

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Aug 2, 2006 - 10:51 PM) [snapback]464793[/snapback]

What kind of condition do our stock ones need to be in? Mine are all still there just that the rubber isn't all one piece anymore.



hi,

This is in the FAQ on the urethane motor mount insert webpage.
Even if the rubber is completely torn out the inserts will hold everything in place.

-kirk
zipstrips
will you be making full inserts (ones where you cut/torch the oem out) and have a full polyurethane insert (like the prothanes for the SR20)
lagos
QUOTE(zipstrips @ Aug 3, 2006 - 2:41 AM) [snapback]464853[/snapback]

will you be making full inserts (ones where you cut/torch the oem out) and have a full polyurethane insert (like the prothanes for the SR20)


i doubt he will because of how well these work already. these things are very beefy just the way they are. the engine stays very soild and you can definetly feel the mounts do their job. the whole car just feels so much more responsive then ever before. its an awesome upgrade, especially for a swap/trubo owner.
Magic
Lagos great post....I changed my Engine mounts before few days,i feel my car completly different!!I am using now C-one Engine mounts and C-one Rear Differential mount.I v done this by changing the timing belt,New Clutch,C-one Stablilizers and Cusco Rear Strut bar,i feel my car now like a train,amazing handling and response.

Great post,it will help owners that they want to put the power down.
presure2
WOOOHOOOO for kirk!!!!
ill be ordering up a set shortly!!
Fastbird
Ummmmm.....Hello! I need a couple of these.........Good job Lagos!

I'll be ordering these in short order. I was a bit skeptical while watching the video seeing as how they're inserts, but after seeing them fully installed I like the idea.
CilverSeliST205
thumbsup.gif Lagos thumbsup.gif
Im about to order some
sugarfree
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QUOTE(nik @ Aug 2, 2006 - 3:52 PM) [snapback]464591[/snapback]

would these work on the st mounts?

i dont think so. but if you have a pic of some ST mounts, post them and we can compare to make sure.

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Which mounts are these, i have one similar to this. It came with the motor i bought.
Batman722
that is a left side ST M/T mount.

just some info about 6 gen mounts...

the ST and GT rear mount is the same, No difference, same part # thumbsup.gif
the ST and GT front mount are 99% the same...the only difference is the GT has a base under it (where it bolts to the crossmember) and the ST does not. Kinda difficult to explain but the inners (rubber bushings and top of the mounts) are the exact same thumbsup.gif
the side mounts are very different from ST to GT thumbsdown.gif stronger side mounts aren't really needed anyway smile.gif

nice job Art

edit : new development - these inserts will fit manual Celicas perfectly (ST and GT). For any A/T Celica, the rear mount rubber inner is different and will not fit (the front is fine).
zipstrips
ok, well i guess im out of optioions than, how do i order a set?! forgive me if its already in the thread, its hot and im lazy right now!. (just finishing up some packing for parts i sold!!)
CilverSeliST205
QUOTE(zipstrips @ Aug 3, 2006 - 12:32 PM) [snapback]464971[/snapback]

ok, well i guess im out of optioions than, how do i order a set?! forgive me if its already in the thread, its hot and im lazy right now!. (just finishing up some packing for parts i sold!!)


last link of the first post in this thread will send you to a page with kirk's paypal adress
lagos
just give kirk a few days or weeks to start mass producing these. the ones i have are a prototype and he has to go make a bunch more before he can start filling orders.
Kadett
Maybe interested as well. Maybe someone make a list for a Group Buy!
puretone
you guys, i filled my mounts with the poly-urethane that is commonly used to 'glue' windshields onto the car..... it works and has perfectly for well over 3 years now.
it is maybe a little ghetto doing it that way, but it works.
those red inserts do look pretty damned cool!
kirkosaurus
Those who have ordered your inserts shipped today.
I have two more sets ready to ship and should have more by the end of the week.

-kirk
Rayme
QUOTE(kirkosaurus @ Aug 7, 2006 - 8:22 PM) [snapback]466466[/snapback]
Those who have ordered your inserts shipped today.
I have two more sets ready to ship and should have more by the end of the week.

-kirk


woohoo! biggrin.gif
zipstrips
pm sent, i got dibs on one of thoes sets!
lagos
just a tip when you guys go to install these. the factory inserts havea paper thin rubber that covers part of the inside of the mount. you will have to cut this area out with a knife (on your oem mounts) for the inserts to mate up correctly. most of the time, when you have old mounts, this thin layer wears away on its own, but if your still happens to somehow have it, just cut it out.

if anyone is confused.... youll know what im talking about when you go to install these.
6strngs
QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 2, 2006 - 12:50 PM) [snapback]464589[/snapback]
the install is a little bit different on our car then the mr2, but anyone with some basic tools can do the job. took me about 1-2hrs to do the whole thing.

wanna do a write-up for those of us who are 'mechanically challenged'? tongue.gif
lagos
1. jack up the car, and place it onto 2 good jack stands.
2. grap a 10m socket start to unbolt the engine plastics from the crossmember. you dont have to completely take everything out, but just enough to swing out of the way so that you can work on the mounts
3. have a look around. youll notice that the front and rear mounts rest on the crossmember (long under support bar that goes from the front to back, under the motor).
4. get under the car and start on the rear mount 1st. remove the 17m bolt that goes through the center of the motor mount.
5. remove the 2 bolts and 1 nut (14m) that connect the rear motor mount to the crossmember. youll have to remove a small, black, plastic cover to access these bolts.
6. the rear mount should now be loose, but you will not be able to totall take out out... yet...
7. grab your jack and place a piece of wood on it (wood IS important). place the jack under the oil pan of the motor and jack it up a little bit. this is just for safety, to secure the motor as you work under it.
8. now it time to unbolt the front mount. remove the 17m bolt goes through the motor mount. you will need to do this with 2 wrenches because it connected with a nut and bolt, and will just spin on your if you dont use go at it from both sides.
9. remove the 2 14m bolts that bolt the motor mount to the crossmember. you will have to remove the little plastic cover to access these.
10. take a look at the crossmember again. youll notice it bolts to the front of the car frame with 2 12m bolts. unbolt them and the cross member will be totally loose
11. crawl under the car again. you will have to wiggle and move the rear mount in just the right angle to get the cross member to come out. its a bit of a pain and takes a bit of time, but it will come out.
12. now your motor mounts will be totally out. take your new inserts and "slap them in place" (watch the mr2 vid if u dont know what i mean).
13. now start to put everything back just like you got it out. start off by sliding the crossmember in with the rear motor mount and make sure it all lines up . like before, this will be a bit of a pain, but not to bad. you just have to find the right angle. ... then put everything back togher and your all done.


Tips:
1. torque the motor mounts at 54lb to the crossmember on the 14m bolts, and 65lb on the 17m bolts
2. if you have trouble putting the 17m bolt through the rear motor mount, chances are its because your motor shifted a little. take your jack and place it under the tranny. start to slowly jack it up and look through your wheel well (side of the car) and watch that bolt hole as it lines up better and better as you jack the tranny up.
6strngs
thanks man, I think I might just order a set of these!
Punch
you can also get these there a lilter better they are full prothan insert you take out the old rubber & put this in alot more woke if you ask me but it's the full insert. http://speed-source.net/
but there it's $78.00+ shipping thats a little bit more...
kirkosaurus
QUOTE(Punch @ Aug 8, 2006 - 1:23 AM) [snapback]466619[/snapback]

you can also get these there a lilter better they are full prothan insert you take out the old rubber & put this in alot more woke if you ask me but it's the full insert. http://speed-source.net/
but there it's $78.00+ shipping thats a little bit more...


With those you have to modify your mount by removing the rubber, so the process is irreversible. With the inserts you could remove them if you decided you didn't want them anymore and go back to stock mounts. Plus I don't think Speed Source makes them for the 6th gen Celica.
zipstrips
thoes are what i was refering to before! ah oh owell. ill test these for a while i guess
95celgt
I just ordered a set for my 94 hatch! hope this does what the Ingalls torque damper did for my cobalt ss:)
puretone
QUOTE(kirkosaurus @ Aug 7, 2006 - 6:22 PM) [snapback]466466[/snapback]

Those who have ordered your inserts shipped today.
I have two more sets ready to ship and should have more by the end of the week.

-kirk



you make them yourself? thats so kickass.... where do i order? how do i pay?
BBoYRuGGeD
these are nice...may get myself a set in a few weeks.

bboy
kirkosaurus
QUOTE(puretone @ Aug 8, 2006 - 6:18 PM) [snapback]466824[/snapback]


you make them yourself? thats so kickass.... where do i order? how do i pay?




My friend works for an industrial urethane product company. They mostly make different types of urethane wheels and rollers, and also the urethane motor mount inserts.

All info on the inserts is on my urethane insert webpage (link in the first post and also below my signature in my posts).
zipstrips
hopefully i see mine tomorrow!
95celgt
got mine today, thanks!
6strngs
ordered mine today!
celicurr
QUOTE(95celgt @ Aug 11, 2006 - 10:32 PM) [snapback]468050[/snapback]

got mine today, thanks!


sweet! so I should get mine soon too!
Rayme
I got mine today! (Canada)

Looks like good quality, I can't wait to take the time to install them!

I'll post my driving impressions after smile.gif
zipstrips
igot mine on saturday! hopefully ill get to these over the weekend..
kirkosaurus
For those still waiting I should have the next batch tomorrow.

-kirk
celicurr
got mine yesterday! smile.gif
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