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Quante
I drive a '95 st model;
The thing I wanted to know is;
What speed does your Celica ST get in 1st gear @ 6300rpms

Why do I ask; mine does 60km/h = 37.5mph

Thats way to much for this engine. My previous car was a Toyota Camry from 1988 with an 2.0i engine. This thing got 50km/h or 31.25mph it 6300rpms, but it accelerated was MUCH faster.
I wanna find out if I dont have a different gearbox on this engine then the stock one.
(call me paranoid; but a weaker engine with a higher gearing is something I cant believe).
97sccelica
ha, that camry probably had a 3sge engine(or was it a 3sfe) either way it has more power than a celica st.

you probably have a 5spd, but my auto hits that speed in 1st at about 5700 rpms. why did you go so far past redline?

the tranny is different and believe it or not has slightly better gearing than a 1988 camry

if you look on the main page, the gearing for all kinds of usdm 6th gen celicas is listed on this page.
Matthew
if it had the 3s-ge engine then it had the tranny which is geared more for performance than the one for the 7afe is.\



edit: possibly he doesnt have a 7a-fe since he is in belgium ( i really dont know) i would say that maybe he has different rev limiters or something than the usdm ST does.
97sccelica
QUOTE (GT2GT4 @ Jun 25, 2003 - 6:48 PM)
if it had the 3s-ge engine then it had the tranny which is geared more for performance than the one for the 7afe is.\



edit: possibly he doesnt have a 7a-fe since he is in belgium ( i really dont know) i would say that maybe he has different rev limiters or something than the usdm ST does.

oh yeah, good call on the tranny that would be with the 3sge.

probably had a 3sfe which still made more power than a 7afe.
Quante
I checked and it had a 3sfe engine.

With 6300rpms I rev just till the redline/rev limiter and why: in 1st,2nd and 3rd the engine will accellerate well till 6300rpms (I mean, it doesnt seem to run over its limit -> cat. is out and this made high revs better) and shifting sooner would cause less acceleration.

The engine is definately a 7afe. But it just sucks in first gear.
OK, Camry had more HP (133), but it was geared to accelerate faster in first.
Thats what I dont understand.
Celi is supposed to be a sports car and they overgear it that much in first that the engine cannot really make it go.

I'm asking this because I wanna pop in a 3S-GE; I read down here that the at200 is supposed to have drum brakes, mine has disk brakes.

i was wondering is perhaps the previous owner had a 3S-GE in it and for some reason they swapped it back and left the tranny in.
Oh well, probably not then.

But I still dont understand that you hit 37.5MPH at 5700rpms.
That would mean the car is geared even heavier then mine in first.
97sccelica
QUOTE (Quante @ Jun 26, 2003 - 9:17 AM)
I checked and it had a 3sfe engine.

With 6300rpms I rev just till the redline/rev limiter and why: in 1st,2nd and 3rd the engine will accellerate well till 6300rpms (I mean, it doesnt seem to run over its limit -> cat. is out and this made high revs better) and shifting sooner would cause less acceleration.

The engine is definately a 7afe. But it just sucks in first gear.
OK, Camry had more HP (133), but it was geared to accelerate faster in first.
Thats what I dont understand.
Celi is supposed to be a sports car and they overgear it that much in first that the engine cannot really make it go.

I'm asking this because I wanna pop in a 3S-GE; I read down here that the at200 is supposed to have drum brakes, mine has disk brakes.

i was wondering is perhaps the previous owner had a 3S-GE in it and for some reason they swapped it back and left the tranny in.
Oh well, probably not then.

But I still dont understand that you hit 37.5MPH at 5700rpms.
That would mean the car is geared even heavier then mine in first.

auto tranny, one less gear, the gears are bigger and longer
Milds3vn
My redline is like 5800 not 6300, 97 st here...
Rivo
37 at 6300...the redline on the 5sfe is 6250, couldn't imagine the 7afe being more. And I only go about 33mph in 1st at redline in my GT. Those are some odd numbers.
Quante
6250, 6300; thats about the same, I dont have a digital readout.
But it gets there pretty good.

Then I'd probably have the correct gearbox because when I look at the tranny ratio's the ST should go faster then the american GT at the same rpm's.

If I had a digital camera, I'd prove that the redline starts at about 6300rpms.

Thx for replying all.
doGGy
70 km/h and it is like 6950 rpm on my S-AFC smile.gif

*Edit:

I have 95 ST biggrin.gif

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Quante
OK, so that definately cleared it up, its a stock transmission.

Does anybody know if this "ST" transmission can handle 177HP, and can it be bolted to a 3s-GE engine??
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