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illneversellmycelli
has anyone seen dr. tweak around lately? i could not even find his name in the members list, is he not a memeber anymore?

getting close to have my money for swap and its about time i get in contact with him

anyone have some info please relay too me please
ExSane
Dr_Tweak
illneversellmycelli
yeah i wasn't using the _ fond him now thnxs, i'd had been looking for about 10 minutes


QUOTE(ExSane @ Feb 7, 2007 - 2:58 PM) [snapback]524760[/snapback]

Dr_Tweak

Dr_Tweak
Doctor Tweak in DA HOUSE!
Jaws4God
YAY!! smile.gif I wonder what Nick needs.. wink.gif
j0e_p3t
what swap do you plan on doing?
illneversellmycelli
i was tempted by the v6 i read about , but i'll be just fine with da 3s lol
Dr_Tweak
Awe comon, I've been DYING to do a V6 for the last couple of years! It would be cheaper! Heck, we could install that thing, build you a full custom mandrel-bent stainless steel TRUE-DUAL exhaust, and STILL have money left over! biggrin.gif

-Doc
jason
QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 7, 2007 - 8:13 PM) [snapback]524862[/snapback]

Awe comon, I've been DYING to do a V6 for the last couple of years! It would be cheaper! Heck, we could install that thing, build you a full custom mandrel-bent stainless steel TRUE-DUAL exhaust, and STILL have money left over! biggrin.gif

-Doc



no ****, i was pondering doing that swap as well, i figure the 3m has less millage hopefully, and will also be less maintenance, if your dying to do one... i may have a car for ya if ya have plenty of time =)
Dr_Tweak
Actually I'm currently booked right into March, but if you want to have it done we can certainly get it taken care of smile.gif
illneversellmycelli
i would luv to attempt tweak but i can go without my car for 1 and a half to 2 months i drive too much lol


how much cheaper ? lol

if the turnaround aint too terrible much more then the 3s let me know and we'll talk indeed
Dr_Tweak
I'd estimate it to be about $1000 to $1500 cheaper than the 3SGTE. I would want the car for 4-6 weeks though to be safe.

-Doc
j0e_p3t
QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 7, 2007 - 5:13 PM) [snapback]524862[/snapback]

Awe comon, I've been DYING to do a V6 for the last couple of years! It would be cheaper! Heck, we could install that thing, build you a full custom mandrel-bent stainless steel TRUE-DUAL exhaust, and STILL have money left over! biggrin.gif

-Doc


you can do a v6 swap for me a couple years from now. about how much would it cost to get a 99+ 1mzfe and drop it in?
jason
hell yeah, ive got a **** load of money set aside


lookin to turbo the bike, and id like to either swap in a 3s but after seeing this, i like the idea of a 04-05 3m like that, id love to have a powerfull-low maintenance engine in the celica, i loooooove how this car looks and turns heads around here, itd be so nice to have it have some power to back that up though, and a v6 with a nice exhaust imo would be awesome

im from pa tweak, so i dunno, for some reason i thought you were from vermont, but i see your in NC now, we deff should set something up
easternpiro1
TWEAK IS IN NC?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? OH... drat, hes in GA...i got faked out! laugh.gif
jason
QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Feb 7, 2007 - 9:13 PM) [snapback]524886[/snapback]

TWEAK IS IN NC?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? OH... drat, hes in GA...i got faked out! laugh.gif



haha thanks for the correction, i knew he was somewhere down there
illneversellmycelli
hey eastern i'm really thinking about doing th v6 what do you think man
lagos
how would the v6 swap cost less? just wondering where the savings are.
Dr_Tweak
Jason, yeah just let me know, we ship cars down here from your area all the time to get swaps and whatnot.

joe_p3t, You'll have to check with me then, I'm sure the '99 engines will be even cheaper by then. smile.gif Plus, who knows where I'll be!

QUOTE(lagos @ Feb 8, 2007 - 3:12 AM) [snapback]524905[/snapback]

how would the v6 swap cost less? just wondering where the savings are.


Well you save $1000 right off the bat due to not needing an intercooler, piping, clamps, connectors. Then the engine itself is generally cheaper than a 3SGTE engine set, so you save some there.

-Doc
j0e_p3t
QUOTE
joe_p3t, You'll have to check with me then, I'm sure the '99 engines will be even cheaper by then. Plus, who knows where I'll be!


okay, just don't plan on retiring anytime soon. i only want the best of the best working on my celi.
Dr_Tweak
It's unlikely that I'll ever completely stop doing swaps, be it fulltime or parttime.

-Doc
lagos
yeah your right , but i have a feeling that this is one of those projects that would end up with its share of hidden costs, dont you think? seems to me like almost anything that you swap into a car will almost always end up costing at least 4 grand when the project is done.
celica47
I was talking with K-ESD... and with the tranny from the solora youre looking at a 1k and then what ever the engine costs. PLus the hidden costs like lagos said. But i personally think that the swap is a little more reliable considering you dont have boost, the engine is coming from either a mini van or a solara which arent "Hard Driven" cars.
Dr_Tweak
No need to use a Solara tranny with a V6 any more than the 300+hp 3SGTEs that we deal with all day long. The GT tranny will work just fine. But yes, there are still some hidden costs that will come up, but we plan for them. $4k is a minimum number for a V6 swap, I suspect it will be more like $5500 to $6000 into an ST when you add in the costs of the GT tranny, axles, mounts, etc. And if you're auto, then you also have to add in the conversion.

-Doc
lagos
QUOTE
4k is a minimum number for a V6 swap, I suspect it will be more like $5500 to $6000 into an ST when you add in the costs of the GT tranny, axles, mounts, etc. And if you're auto, then you also have to add in the conversion.


so, how is that cheaper then a 3s swap?
Dr_Tweak
QUOTE(lagos @ Feb 8, 2007 - 3:44 AM) [snapback]524916[/snapback]

QUOTE
4k is a minimum number for a V6 swap, I suspect it will be more like $5500 to $6000 into an ST when you add in the costs of the GT tranny, axles, mounts, etc. And if you're auto, then you also have to add in the conversion.


so, how is that cheaper then a 3s swap?


A full 3SGTE swap into an auto ST, including a full timing belt/reseal/tunup, quality custom front-mount intercooler install, performance clutch, good engine set, tranny, axles, mounts, performance clutch, downpipe, auto/manual conversion and full install runs just short of 7k including labor. And the labor is only $1800 including the custom intercooler install and clocked turbo.

-Doc
lagos
dang
Batman722
QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 7, 2007 - 10:59 PM) [snapback]524919[/snapback]

QUOTE(lagos @ Feb 8, 2007 - 3:44 AM) [snapback]524916[/snapback]

QUOTE
4k is a minimum number for a V6 swap, I suspect it will be more like $5500 to $6000 into an ST when you add in the costs of the GT tranny, axles, mounts, etc. And if you're auto, then you also have to add in the conversion.


so, how is that cheaper then a 3s swap?


A full 3SGTE swap into an auto ST, including a full timing belt/reseal/tunup, quality custom front-mount intercooler install, performance clutch, good engine set, tranny, axles, mounts, performance clutch, downpipe, auto/manual conversion and full install runs just short of 7k including labor. And the labor is only $1800 including the custom intercooler install and clocked turbo.

-Doc

just so we're all clear

roughly
$7K + (with full exhaust) for a st185 3s swap

and

$6K or so for the V6 swap

edit: this would be swaps for auto STs, correct ? what about the cost of M/T GTs keeping the s54 ?
easternpiro1
tune up was included?
illneversellmycelli
and the most important question
i need to read up again

horse of 3rd gen 3s 255, 4th gen 260, then you boost in stuff yadda yadda

whats the horse of the v6 stock say a ......3mz
snapshotgt
Okay, I feel as though I’m called to post in this thread before too many people start jumping on this idea because it is "cheaper than a 3sgte", and the general info being provided about this swap.

My car is currently undergoing a V6 swap. I'm not personally swapping it, but I KNOW nevertheless what it takes financially and physically to do a proper V6 swap into our 6th gens.

To start, here is a quick, small quote from the guy who is swapping my engine. He is 33, and has been working on Toyota engines for many years, his experience needs to mean a lot to anyone serious about this. He is personally working on this swap, and knows what is takes. Period.

QUOTE

forget about using 5sfe tranny .. mr2 guys breaking these trannies and it is half ass anyway.. just get a proper solara tranny with rear st205 mount .. all st205 if possible .. use poly mounts as well to keep the motor solid b/c torque will make engine move and hit rad .. use st205 shifter cables as well ..


Many of you need to consider the amount of money you end up investing into this swap -- don't you want it to be done correctly the first time? Did V6 Solara's come from the factory with 5s trannies? No. Yes, it costs more up front, but in the long run WILL save you money. You can ask many MR2 V6 swappers, and they will tell you the same.

I'm not going into specific prices of parts, running totals etc, but I can tell you Doc's quote is NOT accurate for a proper V6 setup. Doc, this is nothing against you, just posting a fair and balanced representation of this swap for everyone here. I don’t like to see people being mislead about what a proper V6 swap requires.

I'm sure the person working on my car, and HAVING FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE with this swap will chime in on this subject.

And for everyone who asks, you will see a thread with MANY pics, and good detailed info about this swap in the near future -- in addition, how it should be done.

Teaser:
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illneversellmycelli
now that's bling lol....still wanna know the est horse, i haven't heard of anyone dynoing yet but what are u expecting snap

i like this thread most action ive seen on 6g in a few weeks, haven't been bored tonight
snapshotgt
For HP numbers, and more info -- you can look here:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=45161

We should be able to squeeze out some more horses with major exhaust and intake upgrades.
Dr_Tweak
QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Feb 8, 2007 - 4:20 AM) [snapback]524929[/snapback]

tune up was included?


Actually you're right, the tunup was not done on yours. Of course you have the MUCH newer 4th gen engine, but something I forgot to add to that list is the custom a/c and p/s lines and such.

QUOTE(illneversellmycelli @ Feb 8, 2007 - 4:23 AM) [snapback]524931[/snapback]

and the most important question
i need to read up again

horse of 3rd gen 3s 255, 4th gen 260, then you boost in stuff yadda yadda

whats the horse of the v6 stock say a ......3mz


The MZ engines make from 190hp (early 1MZ) to what... 210, 220 for the 3MZ? And a little more torque than hp in each case.

QUOTE(snapshotgt @ Feb 8, 2007 - 4:48 AM) [snapback]524933[/snapback]

Okay, I feel as though I’m called to post in this thread before too many people start jumping on this idea because it is "cheaper than a 3sgte", and the general info being provided about this swap.

My car is currently undergoing a V6 swap. I'm not personally swapping it, but I KNOW nevertheless what it takes financially and physically to do a proper V6 swap into our 6th gens.

To start, here is a quick, small quote from the guy who is swapping my engine. He is 33, and has been working on Toyota engines for many years, his experience needs to mean a lot to anyone serious about this. He is personally working on this swap, and knows what is takes. Period.

QUOTE

forget about using 5sfe tranny .. mr2 guys breaking these trannies and it is half ass anyway.. just get a proper solara tranny with rear st205 mount .. all st205 if possible .. use poly mounts as well to keep the motor solid b/c torque will make engine move and hit rad .. use st205 shifter cables as well ..


Many of you need to consider the amount of money you end up investing into this swap -- don't you want it to be done correctly the first time? Did V6 Solara's come from the factory with 5s trannies? No. Yes, it costs more up front, but in the long run WILL save you money. You can ask many MR2 V6 swappers, and they will tell you the same.

I'm not going into specific prices of parts, running totals etc, but I can tell you Doc's quote is NOT accurate for a proper V6 setup. Doc, this is nothing against you, just posting a fair and balanced representation of this swap for everyone here. I don’t like to see people being mislead about what a proper V6 swap requires.

I'm sure the person working on my car, and HAVING FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE with this swap will chime in on this subject.


BS. Don't be angry because your swap is taking twice as long and costing twice as much because you cut me out of the deal, after all the TIME and WORK that I spent guiding you through how we would do it and finding out all the info for you (I have like 1000 emails in my inbox from you), not to mention the many phone calls I had to make to the guy you bought your engine from so that you ACTUALLY GOT IT.

For one, you're going with a FULL REBUILT 3MZ engine which had like 10k miles on it or whatever. That added a lot to the cost of your swap. Then, you were convinced that you HAVE TO use an E153 tranny, which is NOT TRUE. Let's not start this myth again. Consider the facts: There are dozens of 3SGTE swaps on this forum that are running 225 to 250 flywheel hp 3SGTEs. I've never seen a confirmed case where a near-stock 3SGTE damaged an S54 tranny. Then, consider the 4th gen 3SGTE that I swapped into easternpiro's car. He is running 260hp AT THE WHEELS, with a GT tranny, NO PROBLEMS. Fastbird, we're running his 2nd gen 3SGTE, modified and dyno-tuned to 250 WHEEL HP and 250 ft/lbs of tq, NO PROBLEMS. It goes on and on.

The most powerful MZ-series V6 makes what 220hp, 240 ft/lbs at the crank? That's about 190hp and 205ft/lbs at the wheels? Which is SEVENTY HORSEPOWER LESS and at least FOURTY-FIVE ft/lbs LESS than easternpiro's 3SGTE. Which the GT tranny handles NO PROBLEM. I'm talking about first-hand experience here as well. There is no doubt at all, that a GT tranny will have NO problem with even a mildly modified V6.

Then, since you're using an E153, you needed to order ST205 mounts from Japan, get some customized axles made, just to get the engine bolted in! Add the poly inserts (good idea, but not required), ST205 cables, etc....

Now listen, I'm NOT saying that you're not going to have a nice setup when it's done. Your setup is IDEAL. It's also the MOST EXPENSIVE way to do it. Most people aren't going to want to spend that much, nor are they going to have to. Let's consider how much a reliable, but less expensive 1MZ swap would be. Let's look at it from the perspective of a GT owner.

Before you go any further, keep in mind that these are all high-end prices. Don't fall out of your chair when you see how quickly quality parts add up! By reading further you hearby release 6gc.net, Dr Tweak, and their affiliates of any liability, should you fall out of your chair and land on your cat, or anything like that! tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Used, low mileage (60k or less) 1MZFE engine set (OBD1, return-style fuel system) $850 HIGH END. You can score these engines CHEAP if you shop around and pull it yourself.
Flywheel for 1MZFE $250 (HIGH END)
Performance clutch kit $350 (HIGH END)
Custom passenger-side mount $150
Labor, at my shop SCC in Savannah, GA, for a FULL swap, $2000 (HIGH END)
Custom a/c and p/s lines $250 max
Custom y-pipe and FULL, CUSTOM-MADE MANDREL-BENT STAINLESS STEEL 2.5" exhaust, $950
Custom cold air intake (not required) $200
Misc items (fluids, fuel pump, filters, etc... let's add $900 to it here just to be safe $900

Right now we're up to $5900 MAX for V6 swap, including a bunch of stuff we don't HAVE TO have (like the stainless exhaust, CAI, etc). If you have an ST, you basically need to add the GT tranny, axles, and mounts, let's say another $1000 to be safe so $6900 MAX. If you have an auto, you need to add in the manual conversion parts and a little more labor, say another $600.

So, on the VERY top end of the scale here, we're right in the same range as a 3SGTE. If one really took their time shopping for parts and didn't go overboard with then that weren't really needed, then a swap could probably be done for around $4000 on the low end, including labor.

Let's do a 3SGTE swap real quick just for a good comparison (most of this is taken from my "3SGTE Swap Checklist" thread, but I'm updating some things)

Good 2nd gen 3SGTE Engine set $1500 ($1900 for a 3rd gen)
Shipping $350
Front-mount intercooler, piping, clamps, couplers $600 to $1000 depending on intercooler quality
Performance clutch kit $350
Aussie downpipe $350 shipped
Misc (Fuel pump, filters, fluids, etc) $600
Labor for swap, wiring, AND custom-install of front-mount and piping $1800
Full stainless-steel, mandrel-bent custom-built 3" exhaust system $950

Total basic 3SGTE swap into a GT $6500 to $7300

For an ST, add the GT tranny, axles, mounts, custom a/c and p/s lines, for an additional $1250 max, so total is $7750 to $8550. For an automatic, add an additional $600 for the manual conversion and parts.

Now again here folks, just like with the V6 swap we itemized, we're going HIGH end. You don't need to use the Aussie downpipe, many people opt for the cheapo-ebay one. And again, a full stainless mandrel-bent exhaust isn't required. The point is:

MOST ENGINE SWAPS WILL COST LESS THAN WHAT IS SHOWN HERE

But we want to make sure that we're comparing apples to apples. So comparing right across the board, V6 to 3SGTE, here's what we've got:

3SGTE basic swap: $6500
V6 basic swap: $5900 (difference $600)

3SGTE into ST swap: $7750
V6 into ST swap: $6900 (difference $850)

In each case, it's a good idea to do a full timing belt/reseal/tuneup of the engine right before it goes in, which typically runs about $850 for parts AND labor.

So, not really a big difference, but for the coolness of the V6 engine, plus rock-solid reliability and ease of maintenance, going the V6 route is a great idea and you STILL save a few bucks!

-Dr Tweak
illneversellmycelli
lots of info too busy at work i'll read again on lunch break lol


still right now the v6 looks like less horse but more realibility and cheaper

the 3s more exp and has the horse, ridden in eastern at 13 psi and love it, i know he can go higher too

so i'm at a dilemma here....it's ok i have a while to think

ok how much to turbo a v6 after the swap is complete
aight b4 people yell i'll look it up tonight , i ask too many questions lol
snapshotgt
This will be my last posting in this thread.

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:40 AM) [snapback]525012[/snapback]

BS. Don't be angry because your swap is taking twice as long and costing twice as much because you cut me out of the deal, after all the TIME and WORK that I spent guiding you through how we would do it and finding out all the info for you (I have like 1000 emails in my inbox from you), not to mention the many phone calls I had to make to the guy you bought your engine from so that you ACTUALLY GOT IT.


^This is so distorted in many ways. I'm not angry at all, no clue how you infer that. I just presented some facts that others should know before you convince them to swap it half ass. Period. Also, business is business, I can have who I want swap my car, swap my car.

My swap is being done RIGHT, thus, collecting ALL parts takes longer, swap has taken longer. Common knowledge .. i'm not upset about it at all. cwm13.gif

I have a problem with this quote:

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:40 AM) [snapback]525012[/snapback]

For one, you're going with a FULL REBUILT 3MZ engine which had like 10k miles on it or whatever. That added a lot to the cost of your swap. Then, you were convinced that you HAVE TO use an E153 tranny, which is NOT TRUE. Let's not start this myth again. Consider the facts: There are dozens of 3SGTE swaps on this forum that are running 225 to 250 flywheel hp 3SGTEs. I've never seen a confirmed case where a near-stock 3SGTE damaged an S54 tranny. Then, consider the 4th gen 3SGTE that I swapped into easternpiro's car. He is running 260hp AT THE WHEELS, with a GT tranny, NO PROBLEMS.


1.) PLEASE DO NOT post info that you are just guessing at --> Like the cost of my rebuild. You do not have a CLUE what it cost me, so PLEASE DON'T post BS info like this.

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:40 AM) [snapback]525012[/snapback]

Then, consider the 4th gen 3SGTE that I swapped into easternpiro's car. He is running 260hp AT THE WHEELS, with a GT tranny, NO PROBLEMS.


2.) Do you not call having a tranny rebuilt a "problem"? ..or any of his other tranny "issues" a problem ..or any of the other swap issues?

Quote from easternpiro1:

QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Jan 18, 2007 - 9:44 PM) [snapback]519124[/snapback]

Well i get my car back from the shop FINALLY after getting the tranny rebiult (blocker rings were wobbling a bit and prevented me from going in reverse) a couple other things were wrong too... clutch was becoming burned out (after 3 months?) and the shifter cables were old. But anyway, im back in business until i start driving and notice that my car's acceleration ABSOLUTLEY SUCKS i look at my boost gauge and im only getting 5lbs WTF? mad.gif so i call the shop back and they dont know anything about it. i call the good dr tweak and he confirms that it's what i thought: a boost leak I cant figure out where but it may be because they removed some IC piping and didnt put it back right, so back to the place i go, wish me luck!


Like i said, this is my last post. I'm not going to spend my time arguing about how to do a half ass V6 swap.

Last thought: Anyone considering doing a V6 swap -- research around the MR2 guys etc, and don't just get your info from one source .. consider the amount of money you're putting into it, and what you'll want out of of it.
Negative
After reading this and looking at the facts - V6 is def not an option for me. Less HP by far unless you plan to turbo/SC and then here I am back at the FI'ing a engine that wasn't originally intended to be - again.
Sort of a waste of time - unless you are looking for a bit more HP without the boost headaches. Personally I'm addicted to boost and can't get back to Turbo quick enough for my tastes.
Seriously starting to think ST-205 swap now.
Dr_Tweak
QUOTE(snapshotgt @ Feb 8, 2007 - 5:29 PM) [snapback]525047[/snapback]

This will be my last posting in this thread.

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:40 AM) [snapback]525012[/snapback]

BS. Don't be angry because your swap is taking twice as long and costing twice as much because you cut me out of the deal, after all the TIME and WORK that I spent guiding you through how we would do it and finding out all the info for you (I have like 1000 emails in my inbox from you), not to mention the many phone calls I had to make to the guy you bought your engine from so that you ACTUALLY GOT IT.


^This is so distorted in many ways. I'm not angry at all, no clue how you infer that. I just presented some facts that others should know before you convince them to swap it half ass. Period. Also, business is business, I can have who I want swap my car, swap my car.

My swap is being done RIGHT, thus, collecting ALL parts takes longer, swap has taken longer. Common knowledge .. i'm not upset about it at all. cwm13.gif

I have a problem with this quote:

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:40 AM) [snapback]525012[/snapback]

For one, you're going with a FULL REBUILT 3MZ engine which had like 10k miles on it or whatever. That added a lot to the cost of your swap. Then, you were convinced that you HAVE TO use an E153 tranny, which is NOT TRUE. Let's not start this myth again. Consider the facts: There are dozens of 3SGTE swaps on this forum that are running 225 to 250 flywheel hp 3SGTEs. I've never seen a confirmed case where a near-stock 3SGTE damaged an S54 tranny. Then, consider the 4th gen 3SGTE that I swapped into easternpiro's car. He is running 260hp AT THE WHEELS, with a GT tranny, NO PROBLEMS.


1.) PLEASE DO NOT post info that you are just guessing at --> Like the cost of my rebuild. You do not have a CLUE what it cost me, so PLEASE DON'T post BS info like this.

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:40 AM) [snapback]525012[/snapback]

Then, consider the 4th gen 3SGTE that I swapped into easternpiro's car. He is running 260hp AT THE WHEELS, with a GT tranny, NO PROBLEMS.


2.) Do you not call having a tranny rebuilt a "problem"? ..or any of his other tranny "issues" a problem ..or any of the other swap issues?

Quote from easternpiro1:

QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Jan 18, 2007 - 9:44 PM) [snapback]519124[/snapback]

Well i get my car back from the shop FINALLY after getting the tranny rebiult (blocker rings were wobbling a bit and prevented me from going in reverse) a couple other things were wrong too... clutch was becoming burned out (after 3 months?) and the shifter cables were old. But anyway, im back in business until i start driving and notice that my car's acceleration ABSOLUTLEY SUCKS i look at my boost gauge and im only getting 5lbs WTF? mad.gif so i call the shop back and they dont know anything about it. i call the good dr tweak and he confirms that it's what i thought: a boost leak I cant figure out where but it may be because they removed some IC piping and didnt put it back right, so back to the place i go, wish me luck!


Like i said, this is my last post. I'm not going to spend my time arguing about how to do a half ass V6 swap.

Last thought: Anyone considering doing a V6 swap -- research around the MR2 guys etc, and don't just get your info from one source .. consider the amount of money you're putting into it, and what you'll want out of of it.


Well the way that you're coming across IS angry, maybe you should look at how you came out of no where with guns blazing, in both the PM you sent me and your post.

The fact that you rebuilding your engine costed more than a used engine isn't a guess, and I do have clue. I know how much it costs to rebuild engines because I REBUILD ENGINES. So there you go.

easternpiro had to rebuild his tranny due to worn blocking rings, as he said. Blocking rings don't go bad because of horsepower, GEARS do. Now YOU'RE posting stuff that you have no clue about.

And you're REALLY one to talk about doing things half-assed. I have dozens of emails or chats from you asking if we can leave this or that part out, or not do this or not do that, or use a used part instead of a new parts, or cut this corner or that corner.

I do agree though, that anyone thinking of doing this swap should do a lot of research and talk to as many people as possible who have done it.

-Doc
FORGMANN
i am not going to turn this into a pickering thread just going to state a few things

Dr tweak and me disagree about how to build a swap be it 3sgte,1mz when it comes to tranny selection .. i understand the reason is cost but my reasoning for 97+ v6 manual is all the later v6 trannies as well as later model jdm mr2 turbo trannies come with beefier synchro's and mate right to a v6 with out issue and most are under 60k mileage .. now if i am going to spend 6k or even 5k why would i use a high mileage 5sfe tranny (in most cases)and risk have a problem develop only after you add a extra 100-140hp to the tranny .. will cost a lot more down the road to replace tranny then just save up and go with the solara/camry tranny or a 96+ jdm mr2 tranny .. we got a 40,000k 00' solara tranny in mint cond for $400 shipped from yard and it has all the holes to correctly mount in st205 mounts .. now dont get me wrong using this tranny will cost 800-1000 more than 5sfe but the pay off will come in the long term .. now you will need mr2 or solara rear jackshaft /all trac hybrid axles w/ mr2 dr side inner/ possible spacer on pass side and st205 cables and mounts but all this extra stuff we found for cheap and all parts are new or very new.
st205 mounts were easy to source from UK used and you only need the rear and possible top tranny mount.

My whole reasoning is this. May cost more now but will cost less in the long term .. Just because you want a fast motor dont hurry to do a swap like this without thinking ahead .. why not save a little more (plus motor will get cheaper over time) and spend money on tranny and proper parts .. if you want DR TWEAK to do swap that is great i am not saying not to just do research ..

we can debate all day on this topic .. to me it is just common sense.. i have seen time and time again people try to save money and on engine and body work end up spendng twice as much down the road or just selling car and losing a ton of money due to issues .. ..

snap didnt pay for rebuild of engine .. just for new bearings and a few other parts .. engine had 2k on it but sat so long got moisture on bearings i just rebuilt for free which is why he swap has taken longer ..
brianforster
i mean the only factor you need to look at is how many satisfied customers who daily drive there swaps post on this board and others... the results speak for themselves, anyone claiming the doc doesnt do his work "the right way" is just trying to cause drama.

by the way, lagos has been putting down 230-250 WHEEL for close to like what 3 years now? as a matter of fact, ive only seen 1-2 people on this board break the s54 (non clutch related) i think the s54 is PLENTY for the v6, you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users. people can break things and it not have anything to do with the quality of the parts..
snapshotgt
Edit, nvm. rolleyes.gif
Silver94CelicaOwner
Jesus H, everybody.....the guy does this for a living, its what he does for a living and its pretty labor and skill intensive. Prices to have somebody do a swap ARE NOT going to be cheap as it reflects the parts and labor, its not really worth gasping over....

Costs of a swap are TOTALLY different for everyone. Theres no logical way that you can sit here at a keyboard and say, "its going to cost $4000, at least", or......"$7,000, WTF is that all about?!". I don't see the point in shoehorning the swapping segment into some price category, it just is what it is.



Let Doc do what he does. If its too much for you, then do it yourself and spend less for labor. If you don't want to to it, pay him the money and he'll make it happen. This thread, afterall, started out wondering where he was and it turns into a poo slinging contest. haha.
illneversellmycelli
i hear ya silver i was just trying to contact tweak at first i didin mean to stir up a hornets nest but it's bee nfun to read and i'm learning alotreal fast
everyone jsut needs to chill and lower da ego's a bit , were all here to help
lagos

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I'd estimate it to be about $1000 to $1500 cheaper than the 3SGTE. I would want the car for 4-6 weeks though to be safe.

-Doc

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3SGTE basic swap: $6500
V6 basic swap: $5900 (difference $600)



see, its not any cheaper biggrin.gif a potential 600$ savings means nothing when your spending 6grand to begin with.
playr158
QUOTE(brianforster @ Feb 8, 2007 - 1:26 PM) [snapback]525057[/snapback]

you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users.


i disagree.....there is EASILY a greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc. Mr2oc on general has more experienced and older members then here on 6gc where is a majority of younger less experienced more or less noobs

Some people would rather spend more money and risk not knowing whats going on your car and all the potential risks that go along with having someone do the swap for you..Tweak is an aite guy even though i know i don't see eye to eye with his methods...He's had people happy with his stuff and he's had people so-so about his stuff.

Some people would rather know MORE and spend less doing it themselves insuring 100 percentage and whats going on...

its just depends who u are
lagos
QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 8, 2007 - 3:01 PM) [snapback]525080[/snapback]

QUOTE(brianforster @ Feb 8, 2007 - 1:26 PM) [snapback]525057[/snapback]

you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users.


i disagree.....there is EASILY a greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc. Mr2oc on general has more experienced and older members then here on 6gc where is a majority of younger less experienced more or less noobs

Some people would rather spend more money and risk not knowing whats going on your car and all the potential risks that go along with having someone do the swap for you..Tweak is an aite guy even though i know i don't see eye to eye with his methods...He's had people happy with his stuff and he's had people so-so about his stuff.

Some people would rather know MORE and spend less doing it themselves insuring 100 percentage and whats going on...

its just depends who u are



well said dan. but brian also has a good point. just cause its "mr2oc" dont mean your talking to Noshoes on there. they have more then their share of n00bs on there ... (all the bov posts come to mind).

i figure my car is making somewhere around 280hp and 310tq at the crank (if im doing the math right). my s54 has never had an issue with this and ive had my car swapped for about 3yrs now.
Dr_Tweak
Like I said, using the E153 tranny is certainly ideal. FORGEMAN, I completely respect your point of view, and honestly, I agree. I just know that my average customer is going to be interested in saving $1000 on something that they don't HAVE TO have. When Collin came to me originally, he was on a very strict budget and was looking to save as much money as possible whereever he could, so I trimmed out whatever I thought I would trim out while still delivering a SAFE, RELIABLE swapped car.

I'm more than willing to use the E153 on any swap that anyone wants me to do, just add about $1000 to the total price. I'm just saying, you don't need to. smile.gif Lagos is another perfect example.

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I'd estimate it to be about $1000 to $1500 cheaper than the 3SGTE. I would want the car for 4-6 weeks though to be safe.

-Doc

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3SGTE basic swap: $6500
V6 basic swap: $5900 (difference $600)



see, its not any cheaper biggrin.gif a potential 600$ savings means nothing when your spending 6grand to begin with.


Actually if you look at the numbers again, you'll see that I said it will be around $1000 cheaper (I quoted higher there) and the difference between the two on an ST is, in fact, $850. So $150 off isn't all that bad, now is it? tongue.gif Still, if you read you my post you'll see that when you go high end on both swaps, I admit there is not really much of a difference in price.

QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 8, 2007 - 8:01 PM) [snapback]525080[/snapback]

QUOTE(brianforster @ Feb 8, 2007 - 1:26 PM) [snapback]525057[/snapback]

you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users.


i disagree.....there is EASILY a greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc. Mr2oc on general has more experienced and older members then here on 6gc where is a majority of younger less experienced more or less noobs


Will a mod PLEASE remove this.

The issue here is NOT who you should have do your swap or how much labor is, or why or why not you should do the swap yourself instead of sending the job to one of the pros. Heck, on any of those swaps, labor represents a SMALL percentage of the overall price!

-Doc
playr158
also to note which i grant 90% of 6gc doesn't think about

is PURPOSE building...

are you going to be beating the **** outta your car?
are you going to spend time at the local strip or hang out racing?

then you are going to be better off with a E153 its proven more durable + stock lsd options

or are you a daily driver, take it easy but like to pass people

5sfe would work for you

its what fits YOUR purpose better.....not a bunch of lemmings on websites

*sorry if doc is too sensitive to the word "dumb"IPB Image*
lagos
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Will a mod PLEASE remove this.


i really hope you dont ask moderators to remove peoples thoughts or opinions on this site, just because you don't agree with them. it would be one thing if he said something offensive, but he didn't.
Dr_Tweak
I think that saying that "most of the people" on the forum that you spend your time on are "dumb" is somewhat offensive, yes. I know that on the forums that I moderate, the owners look down on the forum or it's members being referred to as "dumb" smile.gif It's a minor side-point, let's not let it detract from the very interesting subject at hand.
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