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Batman722
I was going to do a how-to but was too caught up with just getting this done, I only snapped a couple of pics at the end.
Me, Manny, and Stef knocked this out pretty easy.

I ordered some front suspension bushings from Paul in Poland



here's a pic of the control arm



(taken from this post)

I went from this bushing



to this bushing



and the other



I know the pics I took kinda suck (they're a little messy from the grease too) but I was more concerned about feeling the difference driving with them and then eating.

I have to say after launching a few times on the ride home I can really feel the difference with keeping the wheels on the ground. They really help to reduce wheel hop and it feels great.
The other thing I wicked noticed was how much tighter the front end feels during turns. They keep the front end of the car much more level to the ground and cornering is so much more controled, it's amazing.

also, ride quality was not compromised at all, which I was a bit concrened about.

The entire process took a few hours and air tools made it much easier smile.gif
playr158
Thats awesome Dustin. I was very much considering these but without prior knowledge of them, a little weary. I'm glad they worked out well for you and results are good, i'll have to pick up a set thumbsup.gif

presure2
good stuff D.
these bushings are awesome.
i would highly reccomend them to anyone who has a swap for sure.
definetly wheelhops less, and feels more controlled.
besides, watching the old bushing crumple up and burn was AAAWWWEESSSSSOOOMMMEE!! (can you tell i like fire?) laugh.gif
im definetly getting a set of these at some point in the future.
RUNNIN-LOW
nice!!! glad to see you guys did it..i was planning on doing this too.. but gosh i would have loved to see you burn the old bushing off and installed the new ones ! biggrin.gif good ups! good work!
DEATH
Awesome D. Since all next year I will be working on my suspension I believe I should order a set of these too.
pipes
available for superstrut?
Batman722
QUOTE (pipes @ Jun 29, 2009 - 9:50 AM) *
available for superstrut?

http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/GT4-SUSPENSI...634Q2ec0Q2em322

for rears he does. I'm pretty sure he has bushings for the front too, just send him a message.

after driving it for a day the car handles way better, it's very responsive anytime I turn the wheel.

makes me want to do the rear too...
BonzaiCelica
did those things actually cost $140 for the front bushings only. cause that seems like an awful lot of money.

how easy is it to take out the ball joint, i heard it can be tricky. Also when removing the control arm, do you need to get alignment done after, or does the control arm drop straight down once all bolts are removed.
illneversellmycelli
so you burn the old ones out? ..then just pop the new ones in? or do you need a press?
malpaso
wow... looks really interesting... could you make small how-to? Pretty please smile.gif
presure2
yup, the fronts are ~ 140$. gotta pay to play when there is no market for the car.

you'll need an alignment, yes. the new bushings will throw your alignment off.

seperating the balljoint from the a-arm is easy, 2 nuts and a bolt and it seperates pretty easy.
the arm dont just drop straight out, it takes some work, im sure dustin will go into a little better detail as to why.
the basics of it is the rear a-arm bolt has a sleeve that helps hold it in place, (they are a replace when you do it part) that you may need to mess with some to get out.
dustins were pretty rusted and whatnot, so we were able to work the arm out with the sleeve still in place.

with a set of torches, you could burn them out pretty easy, but since i dont have a torch set here at the garage, we used a propane torch, and heated up the metal around the bushing to loosen it from the metal, then pounded them out with a 2lb sledge.
we pressed the new ones in pretty easily in my bench vice.
Defgeph
awesome stuff guys.
BonzaiCelica
hmm sounds good. About the installation, seems a little harder than i thought. so you just need a torch to burn out the old bushings since they are stuck in their pretty good. ya a somewhat guided write up would be nice.

ya i guess your right, you do have to pay the price for rare items. i guess this guy is the only person who makes bushings for our cars. I checked out energy suspension's website, and they dont have any bushing kits for our cars, or atleast i dont think.

would you recommend getting them for the rear since you already have experience with them on the front.

guess ill get a set for the front, before i get my next alignment in 12,000 miles from now. or maybe the bushings wont be around by then who knows....

whats the difference between these one SUSPENSION BUSHING KIT CELICA ST202, ST204, AT200 REAR
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUSPENSION-BUSHING-K...%3A1%7C294%3A30

and these REAR BUSHING KIT TOYOTA CELICA ST202, 204 TRAILING ARMS
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/REAR-BUSHING-KIT-TOY...%3A1%7C294%3A30
njccmd2002
are these the difficult things that we could not get before?

there was a whole thread about?
3WayStunna
This thread came up in good time!! lol, was just about to post up a thread about it all and what experiances ppl have had with these bushings.

Anywho, they do make ones for the st205
Ebay Link!

And i found a site for them, if you want a more detailed veiw of the bushings
Bushings Site

Anywho, thanks for the reveiw OP, it was very useful!! Now what about those rear bushings tongue.gif biggrin.gif
RedRkt01
I sell these here in the States for Paul.......come see me over at Ctech.
Batman722
Glad to see you made it over, these are awesome products.
3WayStunna
QUOTE (RedRkt01 @ Jul 7, 2009 - 2:47 PM) *
I sell these here in the States for Paul.......come see me over at Ctech.



Couldnt find a site for ya man on google.....do you mind listing one?
DEATH
QUOTE (RedRkt01 @ Jul 7, 2009 - 2:47 PM) *
I sell these here in the States for Paul.......come see me over at Ctech.

Pricing? I need a full set of suspension bushings from sway bar mounts to these - I'm starting a complete suspension overhaul next year so I may be a good customer for you. Hit me up [I don't go on Ctech]
presure2
he's a vendor on celicatech.com
his pricing is better than buying direct from paul on ebay, cause he buys in bulk.

easternpiro1
QUOTE (samir0189 @ Jun 28, 2009 - 9:26 PM) *
What was all that hairy stuff clogging the muffler?! confused.gif




GREAT stuff man!! i will be hitting him up at the end o the summer! i KNOW imma need some really soon! it is definately a MUST for any swapped driver!! i remember posting about these like 2 years ago when my bushings went to $#!T... Toyota got me for a couple hundred dollars buying the entire control arm!
BonzaiCelica
since you have to use grease on the sway bar bushings that are made of polyurethane. Will these start to making noise after 10,000 miles???
Batman722
not if you use the right kind of grease.
richee3
QUOTE (presure2 @ Jul 1, 2009 - 6:55 AM) *
the basics of it is the rear a-arm bolt has a sleeve that helps hold it in place, (they are a replace when you do it part) that you may need to mess with some to get out.
dustins were pretty rusted and whatnot, so we were able to work the arm out with the sleeve still in place.

I'm getting ready to replace my front bushings and I'm just trying to make sure I have everything I need before I get started.



In this diagram, is the sleeve part #90389‑21003?
Batman722
don't bother replacing the sleeve (or crash tube as I've heard it called).
It slides in from the top which means you have to remove (or at least lower a lot) your sub frame.

I bought new ones from the dealer but I didn't replace them, they're completely useless.
richee3
Good deal. I saw Manny's post and started wondering if, like the rears, I should get all new nuts and bolts. In that case, I might try to knock these out tomorrow morning and do the rears next week.
BonzaiCelica
the oem crash tubes are about 2mm thick if that. Doesn't the front polyurethane bushings come with grey 3-4mm crash tubes. At least it seems that way in the pictures.
richee3
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jul 29, 2012 - 2:55 PM) *
the oem crash tubes are about 2mm thick if that. Doesn't the front polyurethane bushings come with grey 3-4mm crash tubes. At least it seems that way in the pictures.

From what I saw today, the crash tube goes through the center of the bushing, through the center of the metal insert in the poly bushing. I didn't get as far as I would have liked... I spent four hours struggling with rounded nuts on the driver side ball joint and a broken nut inside the subframe. I'll check it out more tomorrow.
playr158
broken nut in the subframe?

I had the nut inside the car's frame rail (that holds the subframe on) break off. Had to cut my floor pan open frown.gif
richee3
I phrased that poorly. I had a nut inside the subframe break off, not break. The bolt in the lower control arm that runs parallel to the ground, the nut inside the subframe broke away from the subframe. I had to, regrettably, cut the subframe open. Tomorrow I'm welding a new piece of metal in place to close it back up. It beats buying a new subframe. kindasad.gif
ricochet1490
you should just bring these things to ohio.... LOL nothing wrong with 5 celicas and 3 beams in the garage at once bro

When dropping the subframe for the race car, 3 of the bolts on each side go int o the frame rail.... one bolt threads into a welded nut that is just welded to some thin sheet metal that has a high tendancy to rust out... that welded nut snapped off the sheet metal on each side, not a big deal cause its a track car and the other three bolts go into FRAME instead of just sheet metal.... prolly won't even put it back in.... dunno if this is the bolt you're talking about or not
richee3
I got started on my bushings Monday afternoon. Within 30 minutes, I had hit huge snags. The bolt on the driver's side that runs parallel to the ground refused to come out, the lower ball joint nuts had rounded off, and the end links, in their usual fashion, stripped out. Turns out that like I mentioned in my last post, the nut inside the subframe had broken free of the subframe and was spinning freely with the bolt. After 4 hours of trying, I put things back together as well as I could and drove to where I work to use their shop. Driving with a loose bolt in my control arm was a bit nerve racking. Not because the car was uncontrollable, but because it was so strangely normal. I knew there was a problem underneath the car but I couldn't feel it from the driver's seat. Then a bunch more stuff happened that I can skip because it's boring and involved lots of dollars being spent, so I'll just get to the pictures because that's what we're all here for anyway.

Rear bushing on the driver's side wasn't really a part of the control arm anymore. It fell out with no effort whatsoever.




This is the ring around the rear bushing that has been discussed before. I didn't even try to press the new bushing in before taking these out, but I had access to a die grinder that made the removal of these rings very easy.


And a picture of the bushings installed.



Due to Murphy's Law hitting me hard, the total time I had to spend on this job was 12 hours. Yeah, 12 hours for a four hour job at most. Let's just say that nothing went properly for me.

The steering definitely feels tighter now than it did before. I currently have no front sway bar end links so I haven't been pushing the car hard, nor have I launched hard to feel the difference yet. Once I get the new end links, I'll do a bit more testing and see how much better these are.
Batman722
twosrus are fine for the front, usually a quick shipper too.

Nice hole in your subframe smile.gif
richee3
QUOTE (Batman722 @ Aug 4, 2012 - 9:53 PM) *
twosrus are fine for the front, usually a quick shipper too.

Nice hole in your subframe smile.gif

laugh.gif Thanks! Yeah, it was a PITA. What's worse is by the time I got the passenger side done, I forgot to have one of the other guys weld a new piece of steel over the hole to seal the subframe back up. It's rust waiting to happen until I get it fixed.
playr158
Oh dang look at that hole! What a bummer, but good stuff on getting the new bushings in there!

Luckily, i have brand new control arms in the mail and the bushings as well, so doing it before ever being in the car FTW
jordisonjr
It seems like lots of people had problems changing these out.
Was a pain in the ass when I did mine too, took a couple days to get it done.
njccmd2002
nothing like a good hole, where did u get the parts from?
richee3
I got mine from Paul in Poland, the GT4 Racing bushings. I got mine from eBay though, not his website.

http://myworld.ebay.com/gt4goodies/
BonzaiCelica
QUOTE (richee3 @ Aug 8, 2012 - 9:03 AM) *
I got mine from Paul in Poland, the GT4 Racing bushings. I got mine from eBay though, not his website.

http://myworld.ebay.com/gt4goodies/


I've been trying to get a hold of the US distributor on celicatech but have never got a reply. it seems he hasn't been online in over 2 months.
richee3
Yeah, I gave up on RdRkt. Same story for me, simply no replies.
njccmd2002
wow the rears are pretty expensive.
playr158
I contacted Paul through his website. He promptly replied and i ordered. Awaiting delivery from Poland....


Why would you want to add a middle man?
njccmd2002
is there a price difference? or the same>
BonzaiCelica
like we were discussing the other day richee3

http://www.jap-spec-performance.co.uk/stor...?products_id=92
Batman722
crash tubes are useless. Everyway imaginable, don't do it.
Tigawoods
I am concerned that there will be slight play in the rear bushing since there isnt that sleeve to hold the mount in place. The Metal sleeve pictured just rests on the mounting surfaces.
Wouldnt really the only way to fix this be with the oem sleeves (crush tubes)?
richee3
Oh wow. When you said it wasn't a tight fit around the bolt, I thought you meant it was slightly bigger. I definitely didn't have that much of a gap in my bushings...
Tigawoods
Yeah I contacted Paul through ebay and through his website to see what he says. Hopefully he gets back to me soon (he's pretty good about that) and hopefully I wont have to remove that bushing. It will be destroyed if I take them back out
BonzaiCelica
There is a guy in europe who makes crush tubes that are muh thicker than those skinny oem ones
Tigawoods
here is what Paul from GT4-Racing said.

"Hello,
yes you need to take new sleeves from Toyota dealer if you can't remove them from your old bushes.
yes, toyota part number is 90389-21003 and it costs about 4-5gbp here in toyota dealer.
You install them inside the bush metal sleeve, not in front subframe, just need to install it in bush metal sleeve and then put the wishbone into subframe...
Hope I answered you all clear now.
If you have any other questions, I'm here for you as support.

Cheers, Paul "
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