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njccmd2002
hi guys, well i swapped a beams in my celi and its loads of fun, but of course parts are rare, and problematic to fix.

Just to give you an idea, the gasket set is 400 usd, so i dont even think of popping it open.

But 95CelicaST got me inspirated about the V6, and face it 270 is appealing, and parts are galore here...

Well i know the 3sgte is the bomb, the Beams is great. But why cant we play with our stuff here.

Maybe start a shopping list, like the exact parts needed... IDK, its something only 2 6gc owners have explored..

Shopping list edited so far: This is from multiple websites, i will basically edit as i go along... keep info here... most info was obtained from GUOKY's research

edited 6-14-2014 what i have done for me....

QUOTE
- 2GRFE engine from a 2010 highlander with oil cooler (newer oil lines)(its a 5plug ECU harness, that will be discarded)
- ECU from an non immobilized RAV 4 must bee a 2 plug. (this is the most simple ecu)
- OBDII connector. (Located at the driver's knees, get it from your car. if you are obdII
- Engine harness, i went with a ES350 engine harness, it has the plugs i needed its a 2 plugs
- E153 transmission (s54 will work, but you need to know you cant really hit it..)

stuff you dont want to mess with
- A five ECU plug (hard to get the extra 2 plugs from the dash harness, or you buy them for 160 from Guoky, plus the only way to get them immobilized is to get them new from dealer)
- Immobilizer computer (you dont want to mess with this) toyota will make you spin in circles
- Immobilizer antenna and key. (only if you mess with the above, lol)
- avalon ECU, camry or any other ecu ( may have other functions you dont need, or need to wire, and will give you headaches)
Success21
I think V6 is the way to go especially if you go 2gr. The motors will just become more plentiful as time goes on unlike the 3s since they have to be shipped here. The mr2

guys are hooking there 2gr's up to E153. If I'm correct that means it would bolt up to your s54.the only hard part would be everything else haha. but I'm sure members

here would be glad to give you a hand. the basics from what I can see is you need a special flywheel and clutch set up which the mr2 guys probably know what you need.

Fab up some mounting brackets then see what needs to be routed where. Custom axles, custom wiring if you don't want to take that on i think (DR. Tweak) could help you

out. In the beginning it will be a headache but once it finish it would be awesome.


I am no where near an expert on our cars or doing motor swaps in general i wish i did. But in the future when I have my own personal garage I want to attempt a

2gr/E154f (manual out of a gt4) swap on an 03-08 matrix awd (auto). Right now I have an 03 matrix xr fwd to do the swap I would prefer to have the awd model to start.

well good luck with your build dude!!

stephen_lee
all v6s bolt to the s54, but you want an e153.

axles:
s54: gt
e153: mr2 inner, 91 camry v6 outer, spacer

mounts:
s54: all gt except passenger(custom)
e-series: st205 rear, gt front/driver, custom passenger

Smaay
stock tranny wont hold that 2GR power
njccmd2002
well depends, the s54 from a beams may do well since some have lsd. And the s54 has seen the 5sfte, may not be the most adequate but may just do well...

it will be something fun, im seeing a lot of jdm engines in the market, im trying to stay with a us engine..

dunno, maybe start researching for a rear ended car..

www.copart.com
presure2
QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 26, 2011 - 1:30 AM) *
stock tranny wont hold that 2GR power

[cough] bullsh*t[cough]
i've ran 320ftlbs thru my tranny, at the track, and on the street for years.

its all about the driver, and how you take care of your stuff.

wink.gif

2gr or bust.
custom passanger mount, custom crossmember, lots of wiring (we're talking drive by wire here folks) and call it done.

for the guy who's ballsy enough to try it first, carefull review of which chassis it comes out of and weather or not it has an immobilizer ECU is paramount.
guys over on mr2oc have been going back and forth with that crap for the past couple years.
njccmd2002
with the 2gr why would it need a custom crossmember if we are using the s54.

So what are the guys using as a base chassis, a Camry? i bet id be fun to have engine immobilizer and all that crap! 5 - 6 grand?
Stambo
question about this, this 2gr is a newer motor correct? What about the problems with programing the ecu. I feel newer engines need the exact vin programed into the ecu otherwise the engine will not run. correct? I just feel like that whole situation with the ecu and programming it would be a major headache. I know a few manufacturers are doing this to avoid swapping of ecu's and what not.
Smaay
you feel? some 2GR-FEs have an immobilizer meaning you need the key for the ECU, but the old ones you dont.
njccmd2002
you just have to get a clip. buy a rear ended car from an auction. Period.
presure2
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Jan 26, 2011 - 9:42 PM) *
with the 2gr why would it need a custom crossmember if we are using the s54.

So what are the guys using as a base chassis, a Camry? i bet id be fun to have engine immobilizer and all that crap! 5 - 6 grand?

im not sure you would have to, just assumed it'd be a snapshot kinda deal.

that engine immobilizer is a BIG hassle. guys on the mr2 forums try to avoid them like the plauge.

wiring will be the nightmare of the swap, but im sure tweak could handle it, or the guy on mr2oc that also does harness work.

whos gonna be the first to have the balls to pony up?

once you fab up a proper passanger side mount, and a set of headers, the rest of getting the motor in the bay should be cake.
the question is will the hood close? wink.gif

:edit:
just to add abit more info to the disscussion, it seems from poking around the net some, that alot of the guys that use the 2gr, end up with early rav4 ecus' that do not have the immobilizer.
they are having a hell of a time trying to find a work around for the later avalon and camry ecus that have the immobilizer programming.
there are a couple of guys out there who have access to the propriatary toyota "techstream" programers that havent been able to get the non immobilizer vins to work in a immobilizer equipped ECU (apparently, all the newer toyota flashes are VIN based, which makes sense)

http://www.mr2oc.com/forumdisplay.php?f=188

heres a good thread with alot of good "general information" on the 2gr

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=366606

theres lots more there too. if your not a member, you really should be.
95CelicaST
Yay! I inspired someone!
njccmd2002
you guys are crazy, i guess its something to start researching then...
Success21
This might be kind of newb question but what if you ran a standalone could you bypass the immobilizer? I know its alot of money for a standalone but it be worth it so you don't have all that trouble and you can get a newer motor?
njccmd2002
see all you have to do is know what to look for..

http://www.copart.com/c2/onSaleResults.htm...=SEARCH_RESULTS
SwissFerdi
In order to contribute to this thread, I love the idea of a V6 Celica. If I were to do a swap, I think it'd be only to swap in something halfway ludicrous - a V6, a 4A-GZE, or maybe build me a monster BEAMS or maybe a built 7A-FTE (7A-FZE? redface.gif redface.gif redface.gif)? Anyway, any research done toward such ventures is cool with me. thumbsup.gif Especially because it might help in the future!
stephen_lee
*drool* awd v6.... yes please?
njccmd2002
QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Jan 28, 2011 - 12:31 PM) *
In order to contribute to this thread, I love the idea of a V6 Celica. If I were to do a swap, I think it'd be only to swap in something halfway ludicrous - a V6, a 4A-GZE, or maybe build me a monster BEAMS or maybe a built 7A-FTE (7A-FZE? redface.gif redface.gif redface.gif)? Anyway, any research done toward such ventures is cool with me. thumbsup.gif Especially because it might help in the future!



it will be done, believe me, im tired of the old stuff, need something new. and chop chop cars is fun, believe me. But for a good reason ill do it again.

once i finish with at least of one of the 1st gens and get this out of the way!



thats the official Put your Clip spot in my house.... LOL
FORGMANN
Well lets see i have a 94 celica shell and a 2gr and
eb61 6 spd from 08 Auris I imported last yr. (same as
Evora gearbox)

I will drop in soon to test fit but that motor is going into
my mr2 later in yr.

2gr is amazing but it is not cheap to fit and highly suggest
using a E series gearbox. Budget at least 5k+ to do swap

Parts so far for me
2gr (2010 w/ 200miles) and all the extras $2000
EB61 (9,000 miles) $550 shipped from UK (2 day shipping)

Swap is worth it if have money and resources to do it
right. It is taller that 1MZ so hood clearance will gave to
be addressed.





njccmd2002
I have a 6 grand budget for this.... (9972021) << dont pay attention to this

I have gt4 hood, so that may help to a certain degree, if not fiberglass with a scoop, LOL

The transmission worries me, but if my s54 has lsd may help. Ill worry about that later. I dont know if my beams has lsd(thats sad!)

I just need to find a 2gr with no immobilizer, aka Rav4 from what i hear... ( need a rear ended car?)

wiring will be done by phoenix or mr220v, ill do the swap.

just need to mock a passenger side mount then have it built in aluminum or something..

gouky apparently has some nice headers.

Any shop can finish the exhaust.

all ineed to start is the engine.. Time to start looking.

Its a go!





http://mrtwo.mine.nu/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22636
95CelicaST
Such a tasty motor...
nics
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Jan 29, 2011 - 11:01 AM) *
I have a 6 grand budget for this.... (9972021) << dont pay attention to this

I have gt4 hood, so that may help to a certain degree, if not fiberglass with a scoop, LOL

The transmission worries me, but if my s54 has lsd may help. Ill worry about that later. I dont know if my beams has lsd(thats sad!)

I just need to find a 2gr with no immobilizer, aka Rav4 from what i hear... ( need a rear ended car?)

wiring will be done by phoenix or mr220v, ill do the swap.

just need to mock a passenger side mount then have it built in aluminum or something..

gouky apparently has some nice headers.

Any shop can finish the exhaust.

all ineed to start is the engine.. Time to start looking.

Its a go!





http://mrtwo.mine.nu/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22636


i wish that there is a like button!

super like!
Smaay
i wonder if the AEM EMS will run this engine, i dont see any reason it wont. a self built patch harness so all the sensors can be read. i think it will be similar to getting it to run the 5S-FTE. I really need to finish that.
presure2
can the AEM control VVTI or whatever the hell its called X4?
njccmd2002
rescuing this thread from the dead, highlanders may make the best donors for this swap. there might be a problem with the exhaust, and pedal, but nothing a little fab wont be able to do...

Most of the parts need to be obtained separately, the guys at MR2OC have got it all pretty figured out....
delusionz
Wow ideas. 2GR would be the SH*T!!!!!

So how wide would the smile on my face be if some how my ST205 was packin a 2GR-FE with a cable driven throttlebody, TRD supercharger and standalone engine management system? is this possible?
Smaay
QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 30, 2011 - 1:55 PM) *
can the AEM control VVTI or whatever the hell its called X4?



i do believe that the V2 AEM EMS can. i know that some are running it on 7th gen celicas. but it has the be run in parallel with the stock computer. the EMS runs the engine and the stock ECU runs the gauges
FORGMANN
Rogue motorsports is a big mr2 tuner in UK they have built 3 or 4 MK3 mr2s (spyders) race cars and most us Link ecu.Thor in UK had to
work out maps for VVTI and give to info to Link from what i have heard.

Here in this video all the spyders have a 2gr and look how silver on destroys everyone off the line .. I have a 95na i am seriously thinking
about installing my 2gr into a spyder instead after seeing this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8CMgK8Z5A
presure2
i wanna see this get done VERY badly.

berto, if i can help in any way, please dont hesitate to ask.
if you can mock one up, i have some very good resources for custom machine work.
njccmd2002
yes, let me finish whitey, so i can make space in the garage...

I rather not work this outside...
96stgreendemon
Just had an opiphany, was putting washer fluid in the folks highlander and got to looking at the 2GR, and now i really want to see this done, hel7 that engine hauls in the big highlander, i couldnt imagine what it would do in a celica, im going to have to do some reading, i would love to do this swap, subscribed to this thread
Betta-J
bump...

I wanna get this done too...will have the budget for it soon.

(Truthfully, I want someone to do a AWD V8 Celica--Toyota Sequoia engine...but I guess that won't be possible so...)

I'm in South Bay, if anyone wants to help me do this when I got the money, please PM me...or invite me to your Fab days so I can watch and learn.
yellowchinaman
QUOTE (Betta-J @ Mar 7, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
bump...

I wanna get this done too...will have the budget for it soon.

(Truthfully, I want someone to do a AWD V8 Celica--Toyota Sequoia engine...but I guess that won't be possible so...)

I'm in South Bay, if anyone wants to help me do this when I got the money, please PM me...or invite me to your Fab days so I can watch and learn.


Having a V6 2GRFE is already a very tight fit. I doubt you can fit a V8 without cutting into the firewall.
I too am on the hunt from a 2GRFE From a RX45H but can't imagine this being an easy install also it's still a very new car so not many are up for breaking.
njccmd2002
all i can say is patience.. right now, my 1gc takes precedence.
yellowchinaman
Then again a 2GR-FSE has a few more hourses....
njccmd2002
yeah, but im happy with 200 now, a 40% increase will be awesome.
SupraKid
1uz or bust
njccmd2002
QUOTE (SupraKid @ Mar 10, 2011 - 10:38 PM) *
1uz or bust

rolleyes.gif

ignorance is a bliss
95CelicaST
X2
SupraKid
How is that ignorant? Please "school" me to how the the 2gr would be a better swap than a 1uz(if the 1uz were feasible in our cars).
95CelicaST
1uz - heavy, and slower. ~170whp and 230ish torque on a 1uz (I dynoed two sc400's on Saturday). The 2gr has that beat by over 100whp. Its got more torque too, I just can't remember exact numbers.

Just because it has two more pistons doesn't mean its better. Research is your friend.
SupraKid
QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Mar 10, 2011 - 10:55 PM) *
1uz - heavy, and slower. ~170whp and 230ish torque on a 1uz (I dynoed two sc400's on Saturday). The 2gr has that beat by over 100whp. Its got more torque too, I just can't remember exact numbers.

Just because it has two more pistons doesn't mean its better. Research is your friend.

Obviously something was up with those, as the 1uzs stock should make at LEAST 200whp stock. And if you were to invest in a vvti then youd make the same amount if not more than a 2g, not to mention the sky is the limit with those engines. In a celica it wouldnt be practical but if your just talking engines then IMO the 1uz would be above the 2g.

Also if you have a dyno sheet of a stock 2gr doing 270whp+ id love to see it.
95CelicaST
You can make any motor have ungodly amounts of power, that doesn't make it better. The 2gr is better technology, better economy, better design, better power, etc.

1uz is a pile of crap.

Class dismissed.
SupraKid
Good job supporting or proving anything you said in your previous post. And sorry if I didn't make it simple enough for you to understand, making more power is much easier and cheaper using a 1uz than a 2gr. And yes the 1uz is a pile of crap, you are so right, your word is fact.
njccmd2002
I had a 1uzfe and a 1grfe. I take the grfe 10 times in a rainy day with vomit on my car seats.

The uz is a great swap for one that wants to waste money, and wants torque..

We are talking about a celica swap here, so how could be 1uzfe be that great.

Sorry Kiddo, let the big men talk about swaps.

yellowchinaman
ok lets keep this clean people. smile.gif
I think this is more exciting because it's a "never been done before" and it's a new engine which shows a lot of potential.
FORGMANN
Here is Marc's (Gouky on MR2OC) 2grfe sw20 dyno run .. He is first guy into install in to a sw20 and
makes the install kits. On a side not may not headers anymore due to lack of sales and high upfront
cost to have made.

Its i a known fact all the the sw20's are showing 270-280 rwhp with Goukys headers.. Many dyno sheets
mr2oc,twobrutal,etc...

I have the motor and 6spd ready to install now into 94 shell but here is my issue.I already own a ST205
so not sure if i want to due a 2gr celica. Plus i own a 95 hardtop mr2 but it needs major body work.



95celgt
2gR.....................DO IT! both of you....

FORGMANN, having a 95 sw20 is the shizznit correct? IIRC thats the rarest year production number wise.
If you want you could ship the car down here and have all the body work done for CHEAP + full paint job.
yellowchinaman
I see an engine from a ISF smile.gif I wander if it fits?
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