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JohanFer
Hi everyone, this is an attempt to convert a Toyota Celica '96 GT into the Rally Castrol Celica GT-Four we all know and love. This project will only concentrate in the exterior appearance as I live in California and pretty much cannot get a 3S-GTE engine installed. I will get it to look as much as I possibly can and will be basing most design as seen in the video game GT5, with a few modifications. I will much appreciate input and suggestions as time goes by. This will take some time as I don't have much money available to throw into the project, but I expect it to go in a steady peace.

I should start by stating that I fell in love with the car since I saw it in the video game. I really didn't pay much attention to cars as I only saw them as simple machines to take you from one place to another, but the Celica is so stylish and sleek that it changed everything. I see other cars and none match this one car. As a tribute to the car that got me into this, I decided to buy the car and make it look as close as I possibly can to the Castrol Celica. This will have to be my everyday car here in So. Cal. so it has to be street legal and comfortable, but also look like that awesome car.

To start, back in November I bought a Celica GT '96 automatic for this project. I know, it should've been stick, but I just could not find one that I really liked, plus this was an opportunity that I could not let get away. The car is pictured in my profile and it was mostly stock; it had HID low beam lights, and a custom thief alarm with remote start and seat covers in red-black. The car's paint is not original as it was painted from the original white to a creamy pearl color, which has a lot of imperfections. I must say that there are some imperfections all throughout the car that need to be fixed first.

What I've done so far (this will be updated as progression goes on):
  1. Placed my JOHANFR license plate on the car on 11-11-11.
  2. Changed front right car bearing on 11-21-11.
  3. Changed the Water pump on 11-28-11.
  4. Changed the Time Belt on 11-28-11.
  5. Got a pair of tires on 12-10-11.
  6. Installed a new reverse glow gauge on 4-12-12.
  7. Got JDM tail lights on 4-27-12.
  8. Did a front end conversion on 8-4-12.
  9. Replaced the radiator 8-26-12
  10. Painted the car in its original white color 9-16-12.
  11. Got the OZ Racing rims I was hoping to find 2-14-13.


I still need to buy a new antenna so the car can look a little better.

As for the modification in appearance, this is what I plan to do and where I am open to suggestions:

  1. I am getting the rear wing with the blocks to lift it. I plan to paint the block black.
  2. Converting the front of the car so that it will look like the GT-Four. I plan to buy the front clip without the engine so that I can follow the tutorials described here for a complete change. I know about the disadvantages with the hood and all, but will try my best to do this right.
  3. Installing JDM tail lights. I've actually bought them already and am waiting on the shipping.
  4. Paint the car the original white once all parts have been installed. I am not sure as to leave the exterior rear view mirrors in black as well as the devise used to open the car doors. Also, I have not yet decided on weather I should paint the car matte white or not.
  5. Order the Celica Castrol decals or have it car wrapped with the same design.
  6. Tint all windows, if legal.
  7. New leather upholstery on the car per original specifications, only featuring black and red.
  8. New O.Z. rims as in the rally car. I've been looking for these, but cannot find them; not that I have the money to buy them right now, but would love to know how much they are.
  9. If not too expensive, change the car from automatic to stick.
  10. Depending on the founds and how the car looks, increase its power in any legal specifications without sacrificing much fuel efficiency. Again, any suggestions regarding this would be much appreciated.


This is all I think I want to do to the car. Again, I would not do an engine swap since the car would always fail emissions in my state. As you have read, I had not been a big fan of cars, so I am a newbie in this modification matter, I am only driven by the impulse of having a car that looks like one that has some history.

Again, suggestions are always welcomed and appreciated.

Pictures to follow.
richee3
Welcome to the boards! You might check this thread out:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=69764&hl=

Good luck with the build thumbsup.gif
Special_Edy
Hell yeah dude. The first time I saw my 6gc thats exactly what I saw , the Castrol GT4 from just about every game to feature WRC cars. Its gonna be so badass when your finished, you'll steal looks from a ferrari parked next to you. thumbsup.gif
kurt95gt
Should be sweet looking ive seen people with wrx's do the same thing an it looks sweet
Good luck
Nial
It depends on how accurate you want to be with it all?

Visit Mook at www.skewer.co.uk he does the most accurate castrol sticker kits for the Celica.

On the GT4OC you can buy replicas of the WRC wing mirrors which look awesome and finish the car off a treat,

The rally cars didnt use JDM rear light clusters they had euro spec lights...I think the standard US lights look more or less identical (saves you a few $ not having to buy them, thats up to you of course)

Most of the rally cars didnt use the rear number plate surround at all either, they just painted the metal behind it black and stuck the plate directly too it......for the sake of passing vehicle inspections you might need rear number pate lights so paint the number plate surround black...UK plate surrounds look the best but I dont think the US plates would fit into them?????

Fill in the standard aerial hole on the rear wing...two vertical aerials on the roof about 12" apart about 2/3s from the front.

wheels to use should be either Compomtive MO 6 spoke (expensive) or a better replica is the Revolution Millennium alloys which look spot on for the tarmac rally wheels that TTE used....18" of course.

I loaned a set of TTE lamp pods for the ST205 to the GT4OC to make replicas from, dont know f they have done them yet....they are damn ugly anyway...they also make replica roof scoops too.

Leave the raiser blocks black...look better for the rally replicas IMO although the rally cars had both black and white raiser blocks.

Cant think of anything elase helpful.

Box
Awesome plan. I've always liked the WRC Celica too. How can you not?
FORGMANN
Need the roof vent look here

http://www.launsport.com/
JohanFer
QUOTE (richee3 @ Apr 19, 2012 - 10:10 AM) *
Welcome to the boards! You might check this thread out:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=69764&hl=

Good luck with the build thumbsup.gif


Hey it is being helpful. Thanks!

QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Apr 19, 2012 - 10:30 AM) *
Hell yeah dude. The first time I saw my 6gc thats exactly what I saw , the Castrol GT4 from just about every game to feature WRC cars. Its gonna be so badass when your finished, you'll steal looks from a ferrari parked next to you. thumbsup.gif


I saw a Ferrari last Saturday parked in front of an In&Out and everybody was taking pictures. Steal looks from it would be a mayor feast.
JohanFer
QUOTE (Nial @ Apr 19, 2012 - 3:26 PM) *
It depends on how accurate you want to be with it all?

Visit Mook at www.skewer.co.uk he does the most accurate castrol sticker kits for the Celica.

On the GT4OC you can buy replicas of the WRC wing mirrors which look awesome and finish the car off a treat,

The rally cars didnt use JDM rear light clusters they had euro spec lights...I think the standard US lights look more or less identical (saves you a few $ not having to buy them, thats up to you of course)

Most of the rally cars didnt use the rear number plate surround at all either, they just painted the metal behind it black and stuck the plate directly too it......for the sake of passing vehicle inspections you might need rear number pate lights so paint the number plate surround black...UK plate surrounds look the best but I dont think the US plates would fit into them?????

Fill in the standard aerial hole on the rear wing...two vertical aerials on the roof about 12" apart about 2/3s from the front.

wheels to use should be either Compomtive MO 6 spoke (expensive) or a better replica is the Revolution Millennium alloys which look spot on for the tarmac rally wheels that TTE used....18" of course.

I loaned a set of TTE lamp pods for the ST205 to the GT4OC to make replicas from, dont know f they have done them yet....they are damn ugly anyway...they also make replica roof scoops too.

Leave the raiser blocks black...look better for the rally replicas IMO although the rally cars had both black and white raiser blocks.

Cant think of anything elase helpful.



Hey tanks for the info. I've already contacted Mook back in December and gave me a quote. I will definitely buy from him smile.gif
azian_advanced
and the mirrors:

Mirrors $700 USD
JDM Power Folding mirrors: 2.8kg
Autosport Iwase CF mirrors: 680grams


JohanFer
Ok everybody, at last I got around taking some pictures of the car and update what I've done.

The following pictures show the state of the car as of right now. I show a few imperfections in the hopes that I can show you the things I need to buy. I would appreciate if someone could name them and suggest where I can get them. Remember that I know nothing of car parts, where to get them and how they work. I am learning thanks to this forum, but it should be a long process.

Here they are:



















We can see in the picture above that there are imperfections on this side of the fender by the turn signal light and just below the headlight





The sticker on this door was placed by the previous owner to cover some imperfections in paint.













I just had this installed on Friday-Saturday. The guy also changed some blown dashboard lights so that they all turn on.





The visors need to be either reupholstered or replaced.



Here is a detail of the imperfection in paint. This one is rather large, but well covered.



These two pictures show the chipped tail-light that will be going soon.







Here we can see the stickers that I placed on the car. As a microbiologist, I've come to appreciate the biohazard logo.











These are missing. They hold the top of the car and are located in the rear end, where the hatchback door opens. I hope to replace them, but don't know how to find them. Any suggestions?

Here is an update of what I've done, nothing that important as I have to arrange a few things before I start the conversion of the car. I will be traveling soon as well, so that will delay things a bit.

Yesterday I got around installing a resistor in the place where the IAT sensor goes. It is expected to render me greater MPGs. As of now, I have logged my milages and gas consumption on the fueleconomy.gov website and have an average of 24.79 miles per gallon, where the highest is 26.4 and the lowest was 23.4. I am dying to know if this resistor will increase that and by how much. I have followed the steps of resetting the ECU on my celica to make sure of any changes.

Also, I have purchased the OEM interior rearview mirror because the one that I have is not solid enough. I should be getting it this coming week.

Likewise, I have ordered the JDM tail-lights which should arrive the following week. Even though Nial said that rally cars did not use JDM tail-lights, I will be installing them because I just love the way they look. They are different. I will do the swap in spite that I really love the stock tail-lights but as you could see, the driver's side tail-light is chipped so I was going to exchange it anyway.

I will be posting more pictures once I install the int. rearview mirror and the tail-lights. Any comments and suggestions would be much appreciated.
3WayStunna
Will you be adding a roof scoop as well? Maybe go all out and make your own snorkel kit and front bumper grill...that would be awesome to see!!!
richee3
The resistor in place of the IAT does squat. Lol. Several of us have done that mod and got the same result. The JDM tails are a nice addition to the car thumbsup.gif I've always thought the USDM tails look a little dated and 80's-ish but the JDM tails bring the car into this decade smile.gif
ricochet1490
All things considered, that's a pretty clean shell. So you are just looking to do the outside appearance huh? there is going to be some body work for sure. For starters, start with the two post spoiler and gtfour raiser blocks..... When installing the two post, you'll have 3 post holes in the hatch that will need to be filled and hence painted. There is a guy in Cali on this forum selling a white hatch with two post spoiler. Might look into that. link: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=77842&st=0

JohanFer
QUOTE (3WayStunna @ Apr 22, 2012 - 6:31 PM) *
Will you be adding a roof scoop as well? Maybe go all out and make your own snorkel kit and front bumper grill...that would be awesome to see!!!


Haha, that was my intention until I bought a car with sunroof. I don't think there is enough space kindasad.gif otherwise I would. About the snorkel kit, what is that? As the front bumper grid, do you mean modifying the bumper I have, the GT one, and make it look like the GT4? I am under the impression that it would be difficult or migh look ugly. I would be down for that as it would probably save me some money.

QUOTE (richee3 @ Apr 22, 2012 - 8:30 PM) *
The resistor in place of the IAT does squat. Lol. Several of us have done that mod and got the same result. The JDM tails are a nice addition to the car thumbsup.gif I've always thought the USDM tails look a little dated and 80's-ish but the JDM tails bring the car into this decade smile.gif


So you don't think the resistor will help? I was hoping it would. Oh well, I will be watching it and playing with the data I have and will be collecting. Now, do you know of any other means of making the engine more efficient? I remember reading something long ago about chips that are installed and such, but cannot recollect where I read it or for what car.

About that 80s look, that is it! This is why I like them. I grew up with my dad's '81 AMC Eagle with tail-lights that deep inside my mind resemble the USDM tails. Still, with the JDM tail lights I intend to make people believe that I converted an actual GT4 into the Castrol Celica rather than the Celica GT; these headlights might help with this.
JohanFer
QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Apr 22, 2012 - 10:41 PM) *
All things considered, that's a pretty clean shell. So you are just looking to do the outside appearance huh? there is going to be some body work for sure. For starters, start with the two post spoiler and gtfour raiser blocks..... When installing the two post, you'll have 3 post holes in the hatch that will need to be filled and hence painted. There is a guy in Cali on this forum selling a white hatch with two post spoiler. Might look into that. link: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=77842&st=0


Yes, some body work will be done. The car looks white in the pictures and needs to be white. There are minor imperfections throughout the body that makes the body work a must, however I was thinking of sealing these holes as described in the tutorial for getting rid of the spoiler altogether. Thanks for the info though as I would consider a swap with this member, if the part is in a similar condition.
mkernz22
just for future reference, resize the pictures to about 600x400 because they will be a great size for the page and will not take so long to load.

as for the better mpg, the only thing that will actually help is if you get a fuel management system and then get it tuned. the whole resistor thing does not work nor will any other of those cheap things you can buy.

you should look into getting the GT4 bumper cover and hood, it will make it look a lot more like the rally car.

Just never open the hood at car shows lol laugh.gif
ricochet1490
For real... I'm on some serious fast internet and these pics are killing my web browser like a champ. Some serious cache storage issues for real on my mac. people on cell phones are really gonna struggle.... but it's nice to get some real quality pics for a change.
JohanFer
QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Apr 22, 2012 - 11:42 PM) *
just for future reference, resize the pictures to about 600x400 because they will be a great size for the page and will not take so long to load.

as for the better mpg, the only thing that will actually help is if you get a fuel management system and then get it tuned. the whole resistor thing does not work nor will any other of those cheap things you can buy.

you should look into getting the GT4 bumper cover and hood, it will make it look a lot more like the rally car.

Just never open the hood at car shows lol laugh.gif


Yes, that is in my plans, the GT4 bumper and hood as well as the wing. As for the resistor, I suspected, but wanted to try. So un expensive. I will look at that when the car is done.

QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Apr 22, 2012 - 11:48 PM) *
For real... I'm on some serious fast internet and these pics are killing my web browser like a champ. Some serious cache storage issues for real on my mac. people on cell phones are really gonna struggle.... but it's nice to get some real quality pics for a change.


I am working on it. I will resize the pics. I just happened to upload them without thinking. I will resize them ASAP.
kurt95gt
Lol
im droids having zero trouble loading the pics
JohanFer
QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Apr 23, 2012 - 1:27 AM) *
Lol
im droids having zero trouble loading the pics


Because I fixed it right after. You loaded the lower resolution pics wink.gif
Box
Ditto, my pc had no problems and it's a few years old. redface.gif
ricochet1490
Hmmm - interesting. My phone was dying like nothing else.... Loaded fine right now, maybe was just a weird thing last night. who knows. But that is a clean car to start with. I'll be enjoying the physical transformation for sure smile.gif
JohanFer
QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Apr 23, 2012 - 11:34 AM) *
Hmmm - interesting. My phone was dying like nothing else.... Loaded fine right now, maybe was just a weird thing last night. who knows. But that is a clean car to start with. I'll be enjoying the physical transformation for sure smile.gif


Haha, no, what I did was to resize all pics in Photoshop. They were 12 mp images each averaging about 2.3 mb. They are 1mp noe each averaging about 90 kb, I think. It is much better now wink.gif

Yes, I am hoping to do most things this summer, but will have to see. I've got a few things to take care of first, but will be starting with the cheapest parts first.
JohanFer
Just a small update, I got the mirror yesterday and here is the picture. I will install it today.

JohanFer
I have a new update, I got the JDM tail lights this morning, so I installed them this afternoon. How do they look?













I don't know about you, but I love they way they look on the car.
Box
They look great!!! Want to get a set myself one of these days.
spy00005
i always thought best mod for the @$$ of the car. makes it look "clean" is the only thing i can call it.
SupraKid
I feel like every time I enter this thread your avatar is eye raping me.
spy00005
QUOTE (SupraKid @ Apr 27, 2012 - 3:38 AM) *
I feel like every time I enter this thread your avatar is eye raping me.

LMAO laugh.gif
JohanFer
QUOTE (SupraKid @ Apr 27, 2012 - 3:38 AM) *
I feel like every time I enter this thread your avatar is eye raping me.

Haha are you serious? Sorry about that, it is obviously not my intention. biggrin.gif
SupraKid
QUOTE (JohanFer @ Apr 27, 2012 - 10:14 PM) *
QUOTE (SupraKid @ Apr 27, 2012 - 3:38 AM) *
I feel like every time I enter this thread your avatar is eye raping me.

Haha are you serious? Sorry about that, it is obviously not my intention. biggrin.gif

Damn.
JohanFer
Ok, so it is time for an update. While I get ready to buy the front conversion, two weeks ago I set to clean the actual seats so I took off the seat covers to see what the actual seats look like. They were very dirty, but in good shape overall. Here are some of the pictures to show how they looked before and after.










I had never seen these seats and although they are not the greatest, I am not disappointed.

I also cleaned the excess dirt and grease off the rims, especially in their inside. I am basically getting them ready for the deep cleansing as the tutorial seen here in this forum. This is the progress.






As you can see, there is a clear coat that is falling apart. I really don't know if it is original or the previous owner added it but I will probably be sanding it off unless anyone can tell me how to remove it and clean just the aluminum alloy. I would appreciate any input on this.

Also, as you guys have much more knowledge than me about this car, could anyone tell me if this gap in the trunk is normal? I noticed more after I reinstalled the seats. It has always been there but it didn't bother me as much as after the re-installation of the seats.

If it is not normal, how do I go about getting rid of it? Do I have to readjust something or is it missing a part? Please let me know.

As for the future of this project, I am almost ready to buy a "front end conversion kit" or the whole "front clip" off eBay. I will not be using the 3S-GTE engine but since I plan to make the conversion from automatic to stick in the future, I would like to see if the rough difference of $ 1,300 is worth all the parts, assuming I can install the 3S-GTE stick transmission into a car with a 5S-FE engine. See, that front clip also has the projector headlights which, if I buy separately, would set me back another $ 500 plus shipping, so I would be getting the engine and transmission for roughly $800 which I can have standing by in case I go crazy and decide to place it in the car way far in the future.

Oh well, this is where I stand and I would like to see if I can get some help from you guys, which I consider experts on the matter. I've been reading a lot in this site and have learned so much, but being as I am, I never take things for granted. I say this because I don't want you to think I am lazy and don't search for information. I might ask something for which I might have a general answer but I ask anyway to make sure. These things are expensive and I must be cautious. For instance, I read somewhere that one can install the 3S-GTE transmission into the 5S-FE engine because they both were S series engine and that they bolt right in; in addition, I read that if one is to do the conversion from an automatic to a stick transmission, one must also change the car's computer to avoid having the check engine light permanently on. Since I think that those computers are engine specific, I don't know what would happen with the check engine light if I combine the 5S engine with the 3S transmission so then I am obligated to ask the question above, but I do read this website so that I bother you as little as possible. Anyway, I hope you guys can help me with this endeavor so that it can go as smooth as possible. I will be greatly indebted to you all.
smkr3w
For the gap in the trunk, the stock seats should have some slack, kind of like a flap, that have little button tabs which in turn button under the trunk carpet.

And to simply answer the trans question, no. Reason being the clip would include a stock gt-4 trans (e154f) which is AWD and (don't quote me but) pretty sure it wouldn't mate with the 5s.. but a more experienced member will probably chime in and divulge their knowledge
ricochet1490
yeah, it's some ype of carpet item that buttons onto the seats...

and no, it wont mate.

I know you said you'd not want to use the 3sgte.... but if you are going to pull the 5s motor out to put in a manual transmission, then you might as well put back a 3sgte with either a manual s54(5sfe trans) or an e153 froma solara or something.... you can use the e154f that will come with the clip, but I believe that you'll need some sort of "cover plate" to cover the rear drive shaft output from the dif or something like that... i believe that conversion had something to do with an mr2 part as well... but I'd have to find it again.

You already have EVERYTHING you need with the clip, intercooler, and pumps, and sensors, and intakes and tubing.... and there are a ton of people on here who have done the wiring etc etc. I'm not much of a fan of boost, but by the time you tear out the 5s motor, you'll have a much better understanding of where stuff is and what people mean by things like the Ea1 plug.

Good luck
richee3
The AWD trans CANNOT be easily converted to FWD. The conversion to a manual trans would be easiest/quickest with the usual S54 transmission.
kurt95gt
Yea id just find a s54 from a scrap yard an then use what you can from the clip
But if you buy a clip with a 3s SWAP IT IN. Lol what the fun of having a car that looks like a rally racer but has as much power as a moped
JohanFer
Well, I am still to buy either the clip or just the parts for the front conversion and I am trying to go the cheaper way, but If the front clip proved cheaper in the long run, I would wait so I can buy it. Now, if I cannot use that transmission, that means that I will need to still buy the s54 later, proving that buying the clip won't be the best idea unless I can locally sell the engine later and brake even.

Now, does it mean that everyone who installs a 3S-GTE engine, and does not convert to AWD, has to use that "cover plate" for the rear shaft output or use the stock transmission? I mean, it makes sense but it would seem to me that there are a lot of people with those transmissions plied up.

I would love to have the 3S-GTE in my car, but I live in California and I am aware that it is illegal. I know that people still install them and never get caught, but if I am going to be driving around with a car that looks like a rally car, I will be attracting a lot of attention from police; they might as well pull me over and check if the engine is legal. I know they do that so I would not like to take any chances.
richee3
The cover plate is often brought up, but it does not work. The E154F splits power 50/50 to the front and rear wheels, so you've already lost half your power. I can't remember the specifics right now but it seems like it also breaks the trans to only use the front wheels. I'll search and find the specific answer for you in a bit.

Buying the front cut and reselling the 3S-GTE seems like it could be cheaper, if you're willing to try to resell it. The problem comes with shipping or how long you might have it before it sells.
JohanFer
This are the prices:

Front clip: $2,799 and it includes projector lights and front Celica catapillars, plus I might get someone to deliver to be for nominal price.

Front conversion: $1,200 and it is located two miles away from home.
500 projector light
__350 Celica cantapillars
$2,050 total

So this is the situation. Not to mention that I can use other parts from the clip that I haven't considered yet like the parts for the conversion from automatic to manual such as extra pedals and shifter and so forth. I don't know how hard or expensive would be to get them on my own or how difficult would be to sell the engine without these parts.


richee3
I found both of our answers. The E154 CAN be converted to FWD, and if done incorrectly, it burns the center diff up. Here's the link:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...amp;mode=linear

QUOTE (LimitedGT4 @ May 17, 2011 - 11:27 AM) *
QUOTE (Batman722 @ May 17, 2011 - 10:38 AM) *
ok, some info.
converting the awd tranny to just fwd is not simple.
I would suggest you get a GT (s54) tranny and you need all the GT mounts. The mounts in your clip are for a different series tranny, just put them aside for now. You'll also need the GT axles.
You could use a different tranny (e153) from an MR2 turbo or late 90s Camry/Solara V6, but then you would need a custom axle set up, which would be st185 outers and MR2 turbo inners. Depending on the tranny, the inners may need to be machined to fit correctly. Also, you might want to custom fab a spacer on at least one of the axles, some people have problems without, some don't.

You need a clutch, each tranny uses a different set up.

Do you plan on doing any sort of maintenance on the motor ? like valve cover gasket, thermostat, plugs, wires, cap/rotor, timing belt, water pump, tensioners, seals ? If so, some of the parts are available in the US, some aren't. Decide what you want to do and start sourcing parts.

Doing a rhd conversion would be a little more time consuming. A few have done it, pipes and jmeyer for example, most don't bother.
You could just cut out the firewall of the clip and your car, weld the clip fw into your car and start swapping everything over like the column, rack, all the brake lines, ect. Then doing the interior you would swap over the wiring, dash, heater core, just everything everything from the clip to your car. Swapping just the climate control without everything else is a pain, some have tried and not many have succeded.

What do you plan on for an exhaust ? what size ? where are you gonna get it or have it done ?

IMO the first thing you need is research.
The best way to do a swap is to know (or al least have a very good idea of) what you need, what you need to do, then buying the motor.


Thanks for the advice ive done my reaserch but somethings were still unclear as no one single writeup addresses everythin
As far as the exhaust goes u got a pretty sweet setup but i think ill go for a 3" setup noy sure if the ones being sold for the st205
Are actually any good, anyways the tranny is the thing i cant decide on can someone shed some light on the 3sge tranny ive heard of people doing it
Anyone know how good is it compared to the s54 will i have to get a billion parts to make it work or is it more bolt on
And the reason am interested on using the awd is because i read a writeup that made it seem possible the question would be
Which one would be more cost effective if someone can let me know id appreciate it heres the writeup





from CTech by Torn.


"Im currently converting my AWD tranny that came with the 2nd gen 3sgte I used for my swap.


Converting the AWD to a FWD tranny is not as hard people would think, and when finished, it will be exactly as an MR2 tranny, except with the shifter cables already going in the right direction. Also, with this method, your center differential won't burn since it will be completly removed.


Goodies needed :


-Alltrac tranny.

-GT4 shift cables.

-MR2 turbo differential (open, OEM Toyota VLSD, aftermarket LSD)

-MR2 differential cover.

-Speedometer drive for the differential if it does not come with the diff.

-2 axles seals (optional, but recommended and cheap).

-1 set of alltrac outer axles.

-1 set of inner MR2 axle with passenger axle carrier (get LSD inner axles if going with the OEM Toyota MR2 turbo VLSD unit).

-A puller and access to a press to replace 5th gears on transmission.

-An Alltrac crossmember with the transmission rear mount (or modify your existing one).


I'll try to do a step by step guide (I will really need to post pictures later):


1 - Remove the transfer case by unbolting it from the bellhousing case. Inside this transfer case there is the gear that drives the propeller shaft (that goes to the rear differential). Also there is the center viscous coupling unit. Remove the transfer cases (3 parts) and everything inside. You won't need these anymore.


2 - Open transmission by removing 5th gear case. Remove 5th gears. Remove bellhousing case. Remove shifting forks. Finally you can remove the center/front differential from the bellhousing.


3 - Change drive axle oil seal from the bellhousing if your tranny has high milage (cheap at dealer).


4 - Buy an MR2 differential. I suggest getting an LSD unit, since opening that tranny is a pain and getting LSD with a 3sgte is a must IMHO You either can buy an open MR2 turbo diff, a OEM toyota VLSD diff, or better yet, aftermarket torsen diff. The MR2 differential will work perfectly in the AWD tranny. The bearings will sits nice and thigh.


5 - Remove ring gear from the AWD front/center differential by removing the 16 bolts, and tapping it with a brass hammer (or place a piece of wood and hit it).


6 - Place the ring gear on the MR2 diff, place the 16 bolts.


7 - Order a speedometer drive from Toyota dealer (cost me 80$ can, but I bet you can get a better price than that). Place the speedometer drive on mr2 diff.


8 - Install diff. If your AWD tranny grinds, and you'd like to replace the synchros for not too much, now is a good time to do it.


9 - Re-assemble the tranny: Place the input/output shafts, selecting gear forks, oil cooler lines, bellhousing case, 5th gear, 5th gear cover.


10 - At this point, you'll need the differential cover from the MR2 that will bolt on where you removed the transfer case. You can get this from a toasted MR2 tranny. This cover has the passenger axle seal. Replace it also if worn or old.


11 - Get MR2 turbo inner driveshafts. You need axle with turbo and LSD if using the OEM Toyota VLSD diff. Otherwise, if using open differential or aftermarket LSD (TRD, cusco, etc) use the normal turbo axle. The normal Mr2 turbo non-LSD axle can be modified also to fit the OEM Toyota LSD diff.


12 - You need to make hybrid axles. Use the celica alltrac OUTER axles, and the INNER MR2 axles. The outer axles is those that enters the hub with bearing at the wheels. The inners enters the transmission to plug into the diff. You can separate the outers and inners axles by removing 6 8mm Allenkey bolts.


13 - Install the new alltrac/mr2 hybrid tranny. Use the celica alltrac shifting cables, use either electronic or cable driven speedo by swapping the correct one on tranny. Use 3sgte clutch/flywheel/pressure plate. Place the alltrac/mr2 hybrid axles.


14 - The rear transmission mount will be different. This also happens if you swap the MR2 transmission. You need to get an alltrac crossmember, or modify your existing one (the mount is not at the same place).


15 - Drive

As far as maintenance for the engine not sure i wanna mess with what already works :-/ lol

Any advice is apreciated guys

Ps if some one has a parts list that theyve used and doesnt mind sharing it id appreciate it


That's a whole lot more work than simply grabbing an already FWD trans and going through the auto to manual steps, which will have to be done either way.
kurt95gt
Yea that's a lot if work for no real gain
JohanFer
Hey thanks for the information!!!

Oh yes, a lot of work for nothing really, even the power would be gone!!! I think I'll just stick to the 5s and do a manual transmission conversion. Well really have it done to the car as I think that a lot of skill and time is necessary and I think I have none. Even though I consider myself savvy, I think that making the conversion is a job for a professional.
BonzaiCelica
engine swap is your best bet. its feasible anyone trying to learn the basics of how to do so.
JohanFer
I am proud to say that today I finally ordered the parts for the front end conversion out of a WRC GT-Four white celica and the GT-FOUR rear spoiler. biggrin.gif

Here are the pictures














So, what do you guys think? The condition does not seem that bad although I still need to repaint them as my car is ivory and needs to be Super White. I will need to remove that paint that says GT-FOUR off the raiser block. I did not buy the engine.

Now, I've been reading the tutorial on how to do the conversion and I think that I can do it if I did not have to solder any parts. In any case, do you guys recommend that the body shop install them after they paint them separately or should I go ahead and install them and then take the car for some minor body work and painting? I need your help to see what's best.
SwissFerdi
I recommend prepping the panels for paint as well as you can, meaning sanding, sanding, and more sanding. Add wet-sanding to that equation too. Then test fit it, bring it to a paint shop of your choice, and voila...

I guess the decision whether to mount it it yourself lies on you.
mkernz22
Just an FYI, the auto to manual conversion is not that hard at all. I did it on my car without any prior knowledge, but I also was able to acquire a full parts car so I could swap the manual wiring into my car as well (engine harness, front body harness, and the dash harness).
Box
Congrats! Getting even closer!
richee3
Even got the fenders! Nice! woot.gif
JohanFer
QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Jul 26, 2012 - 12:13 PM) *
I recommend prepping the panels for paint as well as you can, meaning sanding, sanding, and more sanding. Add wet-sanding to that equation too. Then test fit it, bring it to a paint shop of your choice, and voila...

I guess the decision whether to mount it it yourself lies on you.

Good, I've seen that work done. The only thing is that I've almost no spare time to work on it as I am practically working a shift and a half. frown.gif I will however look into how to do it so that when I get the parts see what is needed. Now, the car is pearl color, so all of it will need to be painted, so the shop will probably take care of it. There is some minor body work to be done.
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