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Wild202
I brought to you how I solved the problem with a thud on the suspension arms SSS.
I really like to use it SSS suspension arms, because I had the opportunity to compare with McPherson suspension, because like last machine was ST-202.
But after the purchase, I discovered a terrible knock on all the front suspension, which has been difficult to locate.
I started to deal with this problem.
Rusty
This may help diagnose your problem...



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For A and B typical replacement kilometres is around 80-120k. but driving style and suspension set up and roads driven on can alter that.
Aftermarket and rebuilt ball joints tend to not last as long, often requiring replacement within 6 months. Even sooner with stiffer springs and shocks by putting more stress on the joints. (So how much is that going to cost you in the long run to maintain it???)

Came across a checklist for checking Super strut. Since it has extra linkages. It causes some issues when trying to diagnose noises in the suspension as it can be hard to pin point which joint has worn.

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CHECKING SUPERSTRUT SUSPENSION
- Jack up front of car, remove front wheels.
- take hold of the spring perch (where the bottom of the spring sits) with both hands.
- try to twist the strut.
If the strut doesn't twist, the super strut joints on that side are ok.
If the strut twists (you should be able to see movement in the short s/s arm joints)....
- 1-2mm (measured at the edge of the spring perch) means it will probably pass a warrant but will need replacing quite soon. You might be able to just notice the car wandering a bit when driving over changing road camber or when braking/accelerating.
- more than 2 mm it will probably fail a warrant, it will need replacing. The car will wander over changing road surfaces and change direction noticeably when accelerating or braking. You will know something is wrong!

S/S joints have a huge load on them, from accelerating, braking and going over bumps. The front s/s control arm has a short arm that connects to the suspension strut. The suspension strut has a ball joint that locates the top of the steering knuckle/hub. If the joints at either end of the short arm become worn the suspension strut can rotate. If it rotates it causes the top of the steering knuckle to move forwards or backwards (due to bumps, accelerating or braking). This causes the wheel to point out a bit or in a bit, causing the car to wander left or right without you moving the steering wheel. This can be very dangerous!

STRANGE NOISES?
Creaking noise? Often in Super strut cars the creaking isn't the lower link arm. I've driven a GTZ with super strut with totally rooted lower link arm and it didn't make a noise! It just wandered across the road!

If the lower link arm is shagged - only put in Toyota genuine new!!! Anything else wears out in about 5,000km! (Cost might be a bit more but you won't regret it.)
Wild202
Thanks for your reply.
I solved this problem. I will show you now.

That suspension arms
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...YzRZYV9aX2F6MU0
Wild202
Then, all saws and autopsied.
We take out the insides.
The photo shows the condition of joints and bushings fingers under which they operate.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bWt0czloQURlVTg
Wild202
More photos bushings who worked in arms:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Rkh6Z3prdGt6NzQ
Wild202
handle fingers leverage hinges.
Grinding, but not too much because there is a certain depth of hardening. Finger in soft and hard top.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Sk9lTzZsRFFRT1k
Wild202
Continue.
Here are a few photos that would understand the process of revival of suspension arms:
In the photo on the link seen all kinds of plugs, which are used within the arms. This new hub made using the machine with numerical control software.
This complete set of bushes
For service suspension arms SSS.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dEltWlRkTnlQVm8
Wild202
More photos manufacture bushings process.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...VEhwN21OazB0VjQ
Wild202
General view of the SSS control arms before the assembly (couples details in the photo is not enough, but you can understand the scale).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Ny0wMlVlM1NVcVk
Wild202
Photos ready suspension arms SSS:
Myself I levers did three years ago.
In the photo one of many of my works.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...MC1FTHMwM2hpMnM
The_enD
nice stuff
slavie
That is a lot of work. Looks like you had to break the joints apart, and then machine your own parts to put them back together?

How are the rebuilt parts holding up long term?
Wild202
QUOTE (The_enD @ Jan 15, 2017 - 5:27 PM) *
nice stuff

Thank you
Wild202
QUOTE (slavie @ Jan 15, 2017 - 10:56 PM) *
That is a lot of work. Looks like you had to break the joints apart, and then machine your own parts to put them back together?

How are the rebuilt parts holding up long term?

Yes, of course I make out, I have made a new sleeve for ball joints. Then all I gathered back. The work there is really a lot.
Even more accurate measurements and tolerances.
As I said earlier, I made my suspension arms 3 years ago, since that time I have and go. The machine is used every day in summer and winter.
Wild202
Here's another example embodiment.
There are replacement of bushings in the suspension arm banana (yellow polyurethane).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...aHRuS2ZYUm9YZm8
Wild202
Now, I do not change my suspension arms on the my ST-205.
I just unscrew the rear cover and changing the worn bushing on the new, I put the new lubricant and spins back. And I have a new suspension arms again.
Wild202
I apologize for my clumsy English. If anything is unclear, or have any questions, I will try to answer.
Wild202
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 18, 2017 - 4:21 PM) *

Yes, I know about these guys from Poland.
The_enD
Do you sell any of this? Or just for you?
Wild202
QUOTE (The_enD @ Jan 19, 2017 - 3:29 AM) *
Do you sell any of this? Or just for you?

Yes, I can do for you, such suspension arms.
You can send me a private message or you can right here in the topic discussed. As you will be comfortable.
Wild202
I can explain why I decided to do it.
The thing is that the new OEM suspension arms are sold at very high prices.
Here is an example:
two lines (horizontal) arm - $ 830
Two banana lever - $ 630
two figure 8 - $ 230

total: $ 1,700, it is very expensive for me.
Wild202
I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk
texasnick
QUOTE (Wild202 @ Jan 21, 2017 - 11:28 PM) *
I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk


If you can manufacture these parts and provide details on how to install without pulling the arm assembly off, you will be providing a much needed solution to the age old SSS replacement problem.

This would be a great solution for those of us that are in North America. It is a pain to send 100 lbs of metal to Poland, wait for a rebuild and then pay for them to be shipped back.

Nick
Wild202
QUOTE (texasnick @ Feb 9, 2017 - 3:39 PM) *
QUOTE (Wild202 @ Jan 21, 2017 - 11:28 PM) *
I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk


If you can manufacture these parts and provide details on how to install without pulling the arm assembly off, you will be providing a much needed solution to the age old SSS replacement problem.

This would be a great solution for those of us that are in North America. It is a pain to send 100 lbs of metal to Poland, wait for a rebuild and then pay for them to be shipped back.

Nick

No problem. Let's discuss this question.
It can be right there in the theme, I have nothing to hide.
I can do for any such leverage and further maintenance is not very expensive. If you need repairs bushings kits - also no problem.
Wild202
So, yesterday finished Rebild next set SSS suspension arms.
Levers will be sent across the border of the country, so I bought arms with mileage and worked on their Rebild.
Remember, Rebild made from my suspension arms.
Photos here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...REV2VS15SVdjU2M
Wild202
So. Continued.
Recently sent me mail the old levers SSS suspension.
In order to restore their work.
Here is a photo of suspension arms: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bXV2aTdmMF9Ia2c
Wild202
The photo shows that the suspension arms have someone trying to restore.
Further disassemble and seen what was done. Visible traces of very poor repair, or rather - not proper repair.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...MHdGTFhSMXFZb28
Wild202
Inner sleeve all the broken 100%
Just throw them all.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...SGU0WFpxQWlES2s
Wild202
We put new plugs. Like these ones: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...TFBUamQtempuSnc
enderswift
Good work dude
Wild202
QUOTE (enderswift @ Feb 19, 2017 - 9:41 AM) *
Good work dude

Thank you
Wild202
But that is not all.smile.gif
Then give your fingers in the hinges of the order (Polished fingers)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bnplYkJDVGlfWGs
Wild202
The assembly, paint and suspension arms are ready for use.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bDk5VFdqNV9MbEk
BonzaiCelica
cool, your basically showing the whole process of what the guys in poland do. I asked them to show me pics of the process but they said they never took any. now how it works.
Wild202
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Feb 20, 2017 - 4:36 PM) *
cool, your basically showing the whole process of what the guys in poland do. I asked them to show me pics of the process but they said they never took any. now how it works.

The guys from Poland were greedy?
I plan to continue to update my posts.
Wild202
Thus, continued.
I got another package, in which lay the old levers SSS suspension.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...ZmJGbTJtTmItajQ
Wild202
Look further. What's inside?
The photo shows that one finger the ball on a banana bent suspension arm (probably a consequence of the strong impact of the wheel obstacle).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...a0hvRy0zdzVLaWc
Wild202
The bent and deformed fingers ball throw in the trash and put here are:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dVB5OV95ZG43T3c
Wild202
We collect everything, we paint.
+ Whole anthers on the ball fingers instead of torn and everything is ready.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...VExEZzByOVhEdFU
Wild202
Soon several more reports will be about the rebuild of the suspension SSS.
I'm a little busy, but I will definitely continue.
Wild202
So, the continuation.
I was again sent suspension levers SSS from ST-205:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...S0s2R0xrQV9mUzQ
Wild202
In general, everything is as usual.
The only medium ball on the horizontal lever is in very poor condition.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...WDdiMTk2QmllZmc
Wild202
These same suspension levers are just finished + in banana levers polyurethane.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...a08yYWpldUN3Tzg
Mr_Tee
Great job man....How long does these expected to last before servicing again?
Wild202
QUOTE (Mr_Tee @ Mar 20, 2017 - 9:59 AM) *
Great job man....How long does these expected to last before servicing again?

You will not believe, but it works longer than the OEM suspension levers. smile.gif
And a big plus, is that you do not have to buy new levers of suspension.
It's enough just to change the bushings inside to new ones and all.
You again have new SSS suspension arms.
Mr_Tee
Check PM
Wild202
QUOTE (Mr_Tee @ Mar 21, 2017 - 9:39 AM) *
Check PM

Answered
Wild202
I'll continue.
Another regular set of suspension levers SSS
As usual they sent me mail for recovery.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...aENIaFhUcnVjQ2s
Wild202
Then we disassemble and see this:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...S01aNml6LU43MkU
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