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Dec 5, 2012 - 2:39 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #996046 · Replies: 18 · Views: 15,526
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 20, 2012 - 10:03 PM) *
ok so who is still having problems?

I'm still having problems and I don't do my own work. I live in Los Angeles/LAX area and the mechanic I used to use has his own shop, but was previously a Master Certified Mechanic for Toyota. He spent a lot of time trying to fix it (said there wasn't a lot of info he could find either online or through his contacts about it). He got the window in place, but not aligned properly so warned me against using the window (and consequently, the top) and said he's "done with it". At least it's keeping the rain out, but not a great seal. I don't know who here locally who knows how to fix this. Local Toyota didn't have the story (had to research online & verify with Toyota Corporate) that I outlined above about ASC going out of business/lack of customized parts, etc. so I'm not that sure I want to pay $$ for a loaner car while they try to figure it out. Do you think if I printed out your excellent demo and give it to them, they'd be successful (not an explicit endorsement, just opinion)? Would love to get my convertible back up and fully operational soon, even if it is winter.

Nov 20, 2012 - 7:27 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #994756 · Replies: 18 · Views: 15,526
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Hi Mike. My window is STILL not fixed--what a pain! Anyway, I didn't receive the instructions directly from njccmd2002. I just found them in another discussion. Here's the link: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...ccmd2002+window. Good luck!! Melinda

Jul 19, 2012 - 2:20 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #976565 · Replies: 59 · Views: 67,070
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Again, great instructional, though I don't see the photos in your latest adventure. Does anyone know a good, stand-up mechanic in Los Angeles area (preferably near LAX) who would have the skill (and patience) to perform this? I have the parts in, as mentioned in previous post, but they are not seated correctly. Might not be as awful if job doesn't need to be started from scratch, but maybe it does. A referral would be much appreciated! Thank you.

Jul 19, 2012 - 2:16 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #976564 · Replies: 18 · Views: 15,526
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Does anyone know a good, stand-up mechanic in Los Angeles area (preferably near LAX) who would have the skill to perform this? I have the parts in, as mentioned previously, but they are not seated correctly. Might not be as awful if job doesn't need to be started from scratch, but maybe it does. A referral would be much appreciated! Thank you.

Mar 20, 2012 - 3:41 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #955972 · Replies: 59 · Views: 67,070
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Apr 25, 2008 - 11:25 PM) *
First of all this is a tough job.... Read all two times before you attempt this and post for extra questions

If you are lloking for something easy, this is not easy I repeat.. x2. wink.gif

The first step is to remove the back seats. here is a basic layout.



The lower seats, comes off easy, all you have to do is lift, and will snap off its position.

To remove the Upper seat, you have to remove 4 push pins located on the top side back part of the seat, the part where the velcro is for the boot.



after you haver carefully removed, lift the vynil cover to expose 4 retaining bolts. You will need to use a 13mm socket to remove.



and here is the vert rear strut bar. OEM laugh.gif



To remove the side plastics.
First remove the door sills.
Then remove two screws at the bottom of the speakers.
then remove two screws at the top. One is under the seat belt and the other is the button of the boot.
Optional is to remove the seat belt from the floor panel. This is to move away the interior plastic trim.
the last thing to remove the plastic trim is two push pins located on the rear, they are hidden and a PITA to put back in.



There is one last push pin on the top You can see it here...



and this is what you get to see, your own car guts... laugh.gif laugh.gif i did not disconnect the seat belt. i just made space by pulling it .. tongue.gif

Then remove the exterior weather strip by removing 4-5 screws. dont drop them!



ok, so what now. If you look at the picture above.. you barely see the convertible motor. (Sorry as my collection of pics got lost). But there are approx 3 screws that hold the window track and 4 that hold the window motor to the chassis. They are underneath somewhere.

To get to it, you have to remove the speaker plate, the plate that sits on top of the vert top motor and the plate on the bottom that holds the two screws to retain the plastic trim. they all use 10 mm bolts. Here is an exploded overview of the system...



Once you get to view the track screws and motor screws, you have to take the whole system out, but before please do the following!!!!

IMPORTANT: bag all screws by location and label bags. You dont want to be guessing afterwards. Take pictures and measurements of the 3 track screws, the distance in mm of how much they are sticking out the nut. As they have to be regulated to the same measurements.

The track bots consist of a Long Screw with nut, that are not attached together, they allow to regulate the track.

Pics are better to remember. Take notes of the distance between the edges ot the chassis of the car to the window inside and out. The two top screws are easy, the bottom one, I just took a pic before and compared it with another pic after instalation.

A BAD REGULATED REAR WINDOW WILL NOT SEAT WITH THE FRONT WINDOW AND WHEN CLOSING THE TOP IT CAN BREAK. So its very important you pay attention, measure and take pics to avoid damage.

There is no easy way to do this, if your car is tinted, well, forget about it. This is Real 100% PITA. I pulled it all out at the same time. removed all screws, and brought the whole system out.

Another way of doing this: you can disconect the lever from the motor to the window assembly first. Raise the window halfway being a very tight space with a 10 mm IIRC socket disconect the bolt. Watch out for all the parts, as it has washers, springs, etc, dont loose them. (thats why i pulled all at the same time). Dont trust your memory, take pics wink.gif

Then you have to remove the bolts on the track that are called stoppers. These are the wants that prevent the window to keep going up, there are two. That way you be able to pull the window out with the assembly out, by sliding it.

Then you unbolt (x3) and pull the track second and unbolt (x 4) and pull the motor out last. always measure your distances distance. (to get an idea how to regulate afterwards)

This is your culprit.. priced between 45 and 65 dls at local dealer. The broken bushing. No its not sold separetely. on the picture you can see the arm lever of the motor still attached.



this is your track system, make sure you regrease it properly afterwards....



So another party pooper I ran with was, once i had my plate assemly, how the heck to remove the glass from the old plate, it is held by some weird azz screws, i tried pliers first, no help....

With a dremel tool I created my own weird looking socket tool with pins. You can see i shaved off the sides leaving some pin on the socket. On the side is the aforementioned nasty bolt. It took me hours to figure this one out! mad.gif



I unbolted the window, then bolted it on the new plate. I do not have torque specs, this is not on the Chilton Manual, so tighten enough, and not to much to break the glass. kindasad.gif

Next is putting all back together. Please get alcohol, neobacin, and bandaids. biggrin.gif

This part is 900% PITA and RBH ( rear bu.. H...)

Here is what i did.

Bolted the motor first. (x 4 Bolts)
Bolted the Track second (x 3 bolts) If you measured, it was easy to put it back in place.
and regulate temporarily

Slide the window plate, carefully. Then have somebody playing with the motor switch, adjusting the arm lever to bring it halfway up. Tighten the arm lever.

This is very difficult, youll get cuts, and scrapes. Some parts will fall inside the chassis. So better have a long stick with magnet tip.

Believe me, its doable, if its too low then adjust the motor lever higher, or lower. Have a friend play with the switch.

After this, replace the stoppers. The best way to adjust the window, is with the top down, and the doors closed, make sure the gap is uniform (window to window), that it slides with no problem and it is not pointing outwards or inwards. (always compare with the opposite windows. remeasure all the gaps and bolts to make sure you have adjusted correctly.

To avoid this damage in the future, ALwAYS LOWER YOUR WINDOWS WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO CLOSE THE TOP. Closing the top with the windows up, weakens these plastic bushings.....

Enjoy, and feel free to sticky. As soon as i find my other pics I will edit to make it more understandable.

Thanks, njccmd2002--excellent instructions!! BTW, I was instructed to lower the windows before *both* opening and closing the top and have done so consistently. Don't know why one popped off. Wondering if it's because the parking garage where I work has these unreasonably, ridiculously high speed humps that jangle all the car's insides when I go over them...daily...Everyone tries to find ways around them, going through parking spaces and around the humps so that now the garage is littered with with barriers of all sorts, cones and chains, etc. forcing everyone to go over them. That and the incredibly tight turning radii needed to go down the ramps between each parking level. Anyway, thanks--obviously you're a pro at this. -Melinda

Mar 20, 2012 - 3:25 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #955968 · Replies: 18 · Views: 15,526
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Yeah, I went to the salvage yard myself where the guy used a testing device to show me the motor worked before I laid down any money. Salvage guy warned me that I probably also needed the plate with the rollers (I guess they're called bushings) since those were vulnerable to breaking off. He was right--I had to start a new quest for the subassembly plate after returning to the mechanic with the motor and regulator I first had to source. Also, removing the plate from the window is apparently a pain because my mechanic gave me the whole window with plate to physically compare configuration with new part before laying down more money for part that wasn't identical. So far, said and done, I'm still running around with my window up and it's making me cranky. Thank you, njccmd2002, for the great how-to with photos and clear diagrams! Wish I had this to give to mechanic before he had to learn by trial and error--he said there's not a lot of info on this. He also said that the next time someone with a 95 Celica calls him complaining of window problems, he would send them away--so clearly a PITA, as mentioned previously.

Mar 14, 2012 - 6:12 PM Forum: Exterior Styling · Post Preview: #955201 · Replies: 18 · Views: 15,526
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Great to hear you're getting some help, even if quote is expensive. Took my 1995 convertible beauty to mechanic (former Toyota Certified Master Mechanic) because right rear quarter window broke in the down position. Pack a lunch, here's the story. Verified by Toyota corporate, all Celicas in 90's were shipped from Japan as coupes and those destined to be convertibles, to respected ASC (American Sunroof Co) in Long Beach for conversion. Because chopping required body fortification/modifications, window mechanisms weren't Toyota parts, but custom parts. Now that ASC has gone out of business, I'm stuck. Mechanic, bless his heart, spent considerable time with surgery/diagnostics and said I needed a window regulator & motor, a subassembly guide and subassembly plate. I was able to source (& buy) all of those myself and provided them to him. Despite iterative tweaking of a handful of separate adjustments, he just couldn't make it work right and sent me on my way with the window in place (thank goodness), but not workable, cautioning me that the new rollers are under pressure and could snap off (again) if I rolled it down. He had no advice for me on how to resolve this unfortunately. This is California--would hate to have to keep the top up. Any of you have any good ideas? Kevin--get yours fixed/aligned before your rollers pop off (several different sources said that's a common problem) and mechanism bends the track and you need replacement parts AND labor! My problem happened in one fell swoop so no warning. Also, my top doesn't completely seal either. Usually a few drips on either side where the top meets the corners of the windshield, but I can live with that. I generally wash the car myself anyway without that high pressure water so problem is minimized. Thanks, Melinda


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