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look if you dont believe us...fine...we will get proof...im not real sure about the hp numbers but i do know that this stx pulled a car length on a white 98 4.6gt mustang with exhaust work. i am not trying to start anything with anyone. but why try to down someone saying they know nothing about cars because of a kill story they tell that no one believes...even though there have been 3 eye witnesses post on this board. i dont see what everyone is getting so pissy about. we will try to have a video camera out next weekend and try to find a gt mustang to pick on if it will make everyone happy. till then ive gotta quit reading this thing or imll get all pissy myself.

lol...yeah true, its just got on me that dude was all about just one thing being the awesomest over all without all the facts...sorry everybody. a better trd tomorrow...i like that one...lol

sev 408 - its apu, sp63 turbo, hks 272 cams, hks 80mm wastegate, 3" exhaust, Greddy 4row fmic, apexi safc, greddy type-s bov. i say $7g cause we are back on stock block now cause the other block got messed up bad. dont buy arizona clutch disk! the disk is too hard and causes crankwalk. if that hadnt happened we would still have the je 20 over forged 8.5:1 pistons running 25psi w/ about 575-600 whp...and it would there would be $10g into it instead of $7g, now we are at 23 psi and around 550 whp. we havent officially timed it at the track on the new setup but it did run a 12 on the factory turbos. damn those itty bitty 550cc injectors!

same guy that owns this apparently unusually fast stx, his name is tony, and his brother bill, my best friend is the owner of the supra ive mentioned...and i am looking at a mr2 turbo right now, but if it falls through i wouldnt mind having a 6th gen celica...then we could have our race team made up mainly of toyotas...i want justin to join up with our team as well...

only trouble with tony coming on here is that he doesnt have a computer...

*the numbers are quotes taken from 2nd post on supra tt engine swap thread by charlie97L*

1) Yes, the 2JZ has 320 HP stock, and the 3S-GTE has 225-255 HP (depending on the year). However the 3S-GTE has more potential than the 2JZ.

how so? a stock longblock that can hold over 1000 whp and run 10.5's???....

2) It is interesting to note, that in almost every instance when a tuning company has built a Supra to race, they put in a 3S-GTE. Why? You can get a lot more HP out of it. (I know, if you can do this, why can’t you put the 2JZ in the Celica? It is because you can mount the 3S-GTE longitudinally in the HUGE Supra engine bay, lots of room to work.)

um wrong...they swap cause its lighter and can make up to the legal amount of power for that race circuit, and because there is more room to work with... and they do not swap for a 3s when on a drag circuit.

3) The 3S-GTE has won multiple World Rally Championships for Toyota, and Rallying is really the most strenuous test you can put on an engine. What has the 2JZ done, besides been in the Fast and the Furious? Nothing.

true the 3s-gte is awesome, its used in rally cause its light and makes good power, they also keep it in a celica for rally! supras arent meant for rally! and just to let you know, f&f was a ricers dream come true...it doesnt give the supra any credit that it deserves.

4) While I’m on the F&F, Supras are not 10-second cars stock. And it’s going to take a lot more than “15 grand” to make a 2JZ hit the 10 second mark.

correct...supras arent 10 second cars...they 7 second cars...i have personally worked on a supra w/ only about $7g and it is a low 11 second car. (no n2o, we dont believe in that stuff) just have to be smart and know what your doing.

sorry for bringin up the supra again on a celica forum...but someone obviously knows a lot more about celicas than they know about supras...

sorry about the rant on the motors, i just saw someone saying that the 3s-gte can make more power than a 2jz. i live supras day in and day out...so i know for a fact thats not true.

but i just dont think i can be convinced otherwise of the st and stx being the same because of how that car performs infront of my own eyes. the information about the differnce in motors comes from the stx owner who drove it every day for 2 years before coming to own it. it pulled on mustang gt's then and it still does now. this person has also owned a 6th gen gt-4 for 4 years so he is a celica enthusiast as well and has done a lot of research on his celicas.

please dont get me wrong, im not trying to down celicas in anyway.i know they are great cars.

hey justin its james, "the supra mechanic" just bring your celica over to bills...we have a timing light and any other tool you might need to do some more work on your celica.

no offense to anyone, but the st and stx cannot be the exact same because when is the last time you saw a stock st pull on a light moded mustang gt?...i saw the stx do so right in front of me this weekend...and all we put on the stx is intake and advanced timing...

"quote from kwanza26" If it makes you feel any better... my ST, as it is currently (detuned... going back to stock)... I'll almost gurantee you I'll put at least a car on your friend...

i seriously doubt that from watching this stx perform this weekend...unless youve got i-h-e, ignition and cams...and you say your going back to stock so...you apparently dont have these things at least anymore...

and if any one wants to talk about how a 3s-gte motor is better than a 2jz in a supra...yousa damn fool...you show me a 1450whp 3s-gte and then ill believe that its a better motor then...the reason they swap a 3s-gte into supras for racing is because in jgtc the make a good amount of power and are a great motor, but they are good few hundred pounds lighter than a 2jz...thats why they swap...also $15g in a mkiv supra will get you into low 10's as long as you know what you are doing. the supra that i have helped build up ran a 12.0 quarter w/ only $4500 invested in the motor on stock turbos, ic, fuel sys, suspension and walmart tires! should be running low to mid 11's on low boost now.

now im not trying to start **** and im sorry if it sounds that way...i just know what ive seen and im just trying to explain the evidence.