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I used liquid plasti dip to paint my little sister's diving fins. After spending hours and hours on project and taping off areas I did not want painted I screwed up and had to pry everything out and start over.

Unfortunate part of plasti dip is that it runs and like regular paint it likes to pool. If you have things taped off be sure to keep that in mind.

My plasti dip kit came with something like 6 different colors but dip itself is clear. Pour some out, add the dye and mix and paint ahoy.

Plasti dip is sold in places like ace hard ware and home depot. My favorite one comes clear with a package of dyes. Comes in a can about 10 inches tall where you literally dip or can apply product with a brush like I was doing.

http://www.acehardware.com/search/index.js...ti+dip&sr=1

go to tacomaworld.com There is a bunch of threads there that might interest you. Mostly, however people are interested in higher torque numbers than higher hp numbers.

Honestly I dont know if dropping a bazillion hp into a tacoma is a good idea. All tacomas are very tail happy. I have to drive like a slow poke in mine especially after it rains and I only have 236hp v6 which is actually heavier since it has a 4x4 in it. My step father's tacoma is 2wd and man it feels worse than mine.

You can bolt on a supercharger and crank out 300hp, 350 if you change internals, run engine tune etc etc.

ehh... in my opinion sound is what defines a impreza. You can hear them things from far away and you know its them. The growl is like a business card for the vehicle. How can you not like the sound of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72n7SKDdXJc

player... what I meant to say in my awkward post is this:

Go to a dealer and order a car. At the dealer you get option of choosing an engine that you want. Stock vehicle comes with so much horse power that you can get at a base price. You are given options to install another engine into the vehicle that is more powerful and so on and so fourth. Simple concept really. Many car manufacturers embraced the idea of allowing buyers customize their car to fit their driving style.

All I am saying is this: a car payment is a car payment is a car payment. Whether you are paying $380 or $400 is not that much different but value wise it can mean a difference between buying a powerful out of the box vehicle vs buying a slowpoke and try and make it go faster through bolt ons inevitably paying about the same as you would have, have you bought a tuned car to begin with.

What Toyoubaru should have been is this:

$21999 for 150hp base model
$23999 for 200hp upgraded model
$26999 for 250hp sport 1 package
$29999 for 350hp twin turbo sport 2 package

That is how new camaro came out. Same car.... different engines. Nice and simple... you go to the dealer and get yourself a car YOU want.

I watched that video of Ken drifting it around and I am not so gun hoe about calling out this vehicle as "handles like a champ" car. Let me explain MY interpretation of what I saw.

Ken was on a wet track in light drizzle. You can drift or powerslide virtually any vehicle even celicas. Mr Player158 was showing off his epic driving skills on one of our meets years ago all over the parking lot doing twirly twirls and powerslides in a front wheel drive 135hp celica. Heck my 236 hp 4x4 toyota tacoma becomes so tail happy in wet conditions its not even funny. In hands of a professional drifter like Ken on a wet track yep this car drifted or powerslided. Unfortunately if you turn the volume up and listen you can hear that engine really bog down on corner exits. It was like vroom vroom (maxing out the rev limiter) then powerslide then wait for it wait for it wait for it.... vroom and rpm dropped and car exited out of corner at quarter of speed he went into the corner. Those were MY observations.

And then we saw GREDDY's vision of FRS on some parking lot with like a 100 people all around. At some point towards the end they turn on the engine and you can hear that wonderful rev that sounded more like a lion cub from lion king than a powerful roar that you normally get out of greddy exhaust. it did not have the umpf behind it. I was very surprised because normally on catback exhaust configurations you can make even 97 hp st celicas sound like they are from 9th level of hell waiting to come out and conquer.


On the bright side I think its good that more and more we hear about supercharges, turbochargers, possible engine swaps etc etc. I figure this car really deserves 300 hp if they can squeeze that much out of it with bolt ons.

Most people are non violent. Most people think that reason is enough to settle our issues on verbal field and not a physical one. Unfortunately when out of a million comes along a human being who solves his issues physically people try and apply reason to his method. You should read some of the comments posted defending the old guy. It is mind boggling.

My problem with reason mentality is that at best problems are solved with puny reimbursement and usually not in interest of those who were affected. Nobody has thousands of dollars just lying around to pay for damages they caused. Nobody has thousands of dollars just lying around to pay for damages received. I do not think it matters what age, sex, nationality, religion or mental stability attacker is. Attacker inadvertently impacted another human being both financially and emotionally and let alone inconvenienced the heck out of the victim.

I figure old guy wanted to spray paint some cars and get away with it. At best police would have charged him with some sort of misdemeanor and vandalism and sentenced him to 90 days of community service and put him on some sort of repayment plan. Neither of those options would have helped victims of his actions let alone taught the guy a lesson. During repayment he would have been filled with more hate potentially relieving his anger on someone else's property. Getting your ass kicked really bad changes your perspective on things. Sometimes that is the rational thing to do to another human being who stops being rational and goes off on a tangent.

That incident is talked about in multiple car forums all over the internet. There is also a video floating after the fact where pissed off owner was cursing out a bloodied up old fart.

Honestly put american law system is heavily flawed when it comes to personal damages. Attacker can sue the victim and win. For justice to be served you need to have a really good lawyer.

I had a very similar incident myself with my old celica. Kids tazered my hood and kept messing around my truck. One day I was installing a truck bed cargo divider that I built and was installing oudoor carpet. I had a staple gun in my hand and yet again a football hit side of my car and kid was acting all tough in front of his buddies. I did not waste a second and put a couple of staples into his chest. He was whining like a little bitch and ran away to mommy. He and his friends have been giving me a wide pass ever since.

I firmly believe that violence is not something that people should resort to but when all reasoning fails you should be able to defend your loved ones, your property etc.

At this point nobody is defecting anywhere. US economy is in recession (whether some like to acknowledge it or not), many out of college young people are either unemployed or under employed not ready to buy anything. Other people are generally under employed or in huge financial doo doo. To top it off lending institutions have changed their lending practices making loans harder to get or unfavorable to get. I do not see how there could be thousands of people lined up around the corner trying to buy ft-86.

Zoom over to ft86club lads. there are hundreds of photos there from all angles... inside and out.

There is not a single model of FT-86 that has all wheel drive technology. At various presentations engineers stated more than once that having AWD will add "unnecessary" weight.

Now do not get me wrong.. there may be a AWD car in the future, such as privately entered car into rally racing that was converted into AWD. WRC cars often follow that suit.

There should be about 30 cars out there with AWD namely cars like audi, saab, subaru, kia, buick, mitsubishi etc.

As to difference between the 3 versions:

-same body
-same engine
-different bumpers
-different but similar interior
-slightly different headlights and taillights (not necessarily interchangeable) -still unconfirmed.

Subaru has always priced their vehicles high. Almost always their interior is better. (STI's interior is about 95 times better than that of evo for example). Following suit you would expect subaru to feature a luxury interior where as scion would use cheaper materials.

If I had to advise on purchase of any of these....
secure finances first
research which car can be modified and how
figure out which dealer options you can do without to save you some cash during purchase (ie if you plan to change out audio system and use a garmin/tomtom gps... no reason to dish out $2000 on factory system)

you are right sir. BRZ is a better choice as things stand.

ft86club just posted an update. They are considering developing a factory supercharged kit for the vehicle. Not a surprise considering that TRD produces supercharges. Unfortunately they are a bit pricey. Well.. quite a bit more pricey than you would expect. Last time I checked dealership install would have cost $3500-$4200.

Subaru will sell their version for $24K standard and $27K for upgraded version with better seats, wheels, brakes etc.

Dan do I sense a FRS-ica headlight conversion coming from you?

To answer your question about which concept appealed to me... that would be Scion FRS that debuted at New York Auto Show. It was absolutely THE vehicle I would very much be praising right now. While vehicle did not feature any specific engine, it did have a very radical body styling that very very much appeals to me. The crazy tail lights, the crazy rear defuser, front bumper stayed relatively true to concept model that came with led light bars (which I wish it had in concept 2), it also had a interesting rear window thing going for it. Car was done by 5 axis if I recall correctly... and it was done right.

By contrast production version is turtlenecking.

good grief... even the brz just went the way of the altreza. Ohh well.

Quietly retreats into his cubby hole.

I guess its time to start fresh and wait and see if supra or mr2 is ever revived.

Also ... judging by how mazda handles their rx line I think rx9 would be a VERY enticing alternative to frs. Between aftermarket performance and body kits from veilside... this will be a pretty car.

All I am trying to do is to steer people away from a purchase they will regret.
Above and beyond anything else people need the following:
-Functional vehicle
-Affordable vehicle
And only delusional people can find functionality within ft-86.

For one this will be a scion in good ol usa where russians do put carts ahead of the horse. You should too because thinking ahead can and will prevent you from the following comment made by you the purchaser: "Ohh man how do I make it go faster without spending $10,000 on it?" And before you the consumer will say... nah that could never happen to me.... do refer to www.6gc.net where for about a decade hundreds if not thousands of car guys have asked precisely that question while driving slow poke ST and GT here in the states. Engine swap costs a ton. I have been there and even when I could afford one... it was still darn expensive.

Also this will NOT be a bigger brother for scion tc. Instead this will be its step brother from another mother wearing tight black jeans, dark highlights around eyes and purple nails. And being a step brother is not always good. It means that you will have to share just about everything body styling and internals inclusive.

I compare this vehicle against others because any vehicle should be compared against others. Otherwise you will make a really bad decision like buying a dodge magnum which breaks every 3000 miles.

I just want you to consider this:
MSRP for this car will be around $25,000. $600 dealer destination fee $1400 in taxes, fees, registration etc. So this is a $27,000 car. Subaru WRX starts at $26,000. $34,000 if purchasing sti version. Evo starts at $34,000 when bought new. Either will cost about $25,000 when bought used with reasonable miles, that took 30% hit in price and will give you and your wife more giggles while still being a functional family car that will cost identical to a new FRS.

If that does not sway your decision then I do not know what will.

I dont know about you guys but I stand firmly by my words. In ever which way this vehicle is less appealing to me as a consumer then even a scion. Now most of my problem dwells on the fact that FT-86 is an ugly car AND it has no cahones.

By comparison EVO is ugly but has major cahones. Evo, of course costs a pretty penny but get this: 2008 evo gsr will cost about $25,000 AND it will have 30K miles on it. It will be faster, will handle better, accelerate faster, have marginally more space for passengers, will have a high resale value, has epic car fan following, strong car club support and even my mom likes it (And she never likes anything I have ever set my eyes on).

By comparison 370z will be faster, will accelerate faster, will handle better, will look very stylish, will have a decent resale value, will have the "he does not work in burger king" feel.

I just do not get toyota... not at all. They want to come up with a slow ugly looking thing and sell it in the price range that make it impractical to buy.

More importantly I do not get people on these boards. Most of you will not buy this car and those that will, for the most part, will have parental help to buy it. At that moment I must ask you to think about what you are about to do... invest $27,000 ish into a vehicle that will cost more than better alternatives out there while providing less value for the buck.

I have joined ft86club long time ago to keep an eye on this car. I have also raised my thoughts in this very thread a number of pages ago and honestly speaking I think I am abandoning that forum.

For the past 8 months or so every time we got a glimpse of would be an ft-86 concept I kept telling myself... ok I can see how that could work, worst case scenario its salvageable through body kits or changing out tail lights or headlights. Not anymore. With production version officially released I do not think that there is a single angle of that car that appeals to me.

Car borrows design features from 7th gen celica (hood), front bumper from mazda whatever its called, tail lights from subaru and square-ish looks from mitsubishi. Now do not get me wrong... subie and evo are not exactly appealing to the eye but at the very least they have major cahones which ft-86 will not have.

I have a long list of things I hate about the car.

Things like poorly designed trunk which is reminiscent of my coupe celicas that I have owned. With rear seats folded down it is still next to impossible to fit anything long into the vehicle. Likewise with passenger seat folded down it will be impossible to fit long things into it. Those of you who have coupes know exactly what I am talking about.

Another problem is that as car evolved... or should I rather say "de"-volved... it took all the things that people would have liked and replaced them with things that make no appeal to anyone. Think about mitsubishi lancer. Try to remember how many lancers have you seen in past 5 years? Another perfect example is toyota iq. There are photos floating all over the interwebs with body kit from hell and you want that car baaaad... and yet production version of iq is just unbelievably bland. FT-86 follows same principle. FRS scion version does not have the feel of the scion. Thankfully brz version is more down to earth.

Another thing is the interior. I know evo has a really bland interior but at the very least you are so involved in having fun driving that you do not pay attention to things like that. In ft-86 everything seems like it was borrowed from a chevy impala or something. It feels plasticky, all switches and consoles are not helpful to the driver but to passengers sitting on rear seat who's legs you had to cut off to fit them there.

Finally there is the body styling that cries for help from every which angle. Subaru BRZ looks virtually identical to Scion FRS but it feels like someone at their design studio knows how to design cars. There are no horrible looking altrezza lights in the back and front bumper actually looks like a front bumper and not like a front bumper that ran over a speed hump and twisted under car's weight.

So for a while I thought... I honestly thought that it could be possible to salvage the looks by using aftermarket parts on the car. Unfortunately because entire vehicle does not have a single curve to it... any and whatever kits will also come square-ish thus being less appealing. Prime example of such bumper is mitsubishi evo. Most evo owners drive with stock bumpers because aftermarket ones are not much different than stock so not worth the investment.

Good thing that I never wanted this car... otherwise I would have been horribly disappointed.

Above option is also possible as I have considered it myself. Downside is that you will need to ditch that car in a place where it will never be found and will never end up in junk yard in pieces for all to see... because they will try and track down owner by vin number if car is in pieces in canada but is registered as a whole in usa.

make sure you match color and type (ie black hatchback for black hatchback). Cross in one place. stick around for a few days visiting cool places and then cross in a different location far from original border .

Start by getting your finances in order. Once you have lets say x dollars in cash.. start by looking at what is available. oodle.com has canadian branch as well as some other classifieds sections. Also check out LANDED cars. You will have better luck with landed vehicles than not. You can also import into canada and then try and get it here. Needless to say you will be spending more if you had to import first.

You are partially correct.

You can import a track car pending that that car has been previously engineered and registered as a track vehicle with all safety equipment. You must also have a racing license and sign appropriate paperwork that says that you can import car here and drive less than 2500 miles per year. You will, however be obligated to ship the car back to country of origin. That caveat benefits auto racers like rally cars for example where they attend the race here in usa and then fly back elsewhere. So in other words you are not allowed to import a gt-4 as a track car unless you have purchased rally built vehicle with racing pedigree and in that case you would still be obligated to ship the car back.

Another option is importation of a "collector car" which implies that car must have some sort of aesthetic, engineering or historical significance. It also implies that car will have a temporary tag to be driven between car shows for example and garaged at other times. Mileage limitations also apply.

I believe that best way to get the car here (thus solving 95% of problems) is to buy from private party. Car will be registered and insured etc etc in Canada. You fly there, pay the person (some sum) and agree on terms of transporting the car here. Something in lines of that person driving vehicle here with registered canadian tags. At which point you pay remainder of the balance and get gt-4 on a trailer, cover it and park it. Fly original owner back to his or her home and deliver your car on a trailer (still covered) wherever you live. If you are not willing to sacrifice your celica then buy a beater hatchback that matches color and swap some vin numbers. Register usa celica, insure it etc etc and park it out of sight, part it out if necessary to recoup some cash. Do not sell parts with vin numbers on them. Slap license plates on gt-4 and remove gt-4 badges. Print a bunch of photos from someone's rhd to lhd conversion and someone's gt-4 exterior conversion project (that matches your car color) and stick it in your glove box. Drive the car, dont do anything stupid and if asked present your evidence in photos. Tell them you swapped it yourself and it took you forever.

That is what I was going to do. And then I figured that I would be better off buying an evo.

And then I had personal life events that required my finances elsewhere but evo is still on drawing board.

I could of course get a gt-4 but lets be rational here. Even if you can buy a landed canadian one for say 10 grand, you are buying a cat in a bag but even if car is in good shape.. it is still a old car. Quite a risk.

If I had to give you an advice. DO NOT BELIEVE STORIES OF SOME GUY WHO KNOWS A GUY WHO KNOWS A GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO SMUGGLE CARS HERE. Assume that all information is NOT credible until proven otherwise. Our resident Forgmann is on the dime with what he said. It is not easy and it is not technically legal but with enough determination and finances anything is possible.

You live in Michigan which is a stone's throw from canada so you have that going for you.

If you can find a landed gt4 for sale sold by a private party then by all means have that person drive over the border and then you fly or drive him/her back.

Most importers I have spoke to have told me that they can import cars to canada if you pay but will not help with moving it in any way shape or form to usa.

Another thing about 2019 is that just because car becomes legal for importation of January 2019.. does not mean that your car will be legal to drive. I am sure to register it you would have to provide all the documentation etc etc. If it will read 5 years ago then some eyebrows will be raised.

correction. To make it semi-registable you have to vin swap it. Outside of that you can ride around as is taking your chances. But you will be sticking out like a green hat in orange field for all cops to have a field day with. That is why it is necessary to have proper documentation in case you get pulled over.

Alternately you can also spend 25% more and import a LHD model from europe and then throw it across the border. Providing you own a hatchback that matches that car and or repaint your car to match gt-4, swap license plates and park usdm model in a dark corner somewhere.. quite literally forever. It would be a good idea to remove gt-4 lettering to be safe.

On the other hand by that time you will be pushing into 18,000 so... .might as well buy evo or sti with less headaches.

In accordance with USA 25 year importation rule you will be able to import a 1994 gt-four in 2019. Canada has 15 year importation rule but only select provinces allow importation and that is why there is a number of gt-4s that have been imported there for around 10-15,000 each.

Only way to get it over to usa is to smuggle it across the border and vin swap it.