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what gives. see they are exactly the same.

the member spider77 even has listed on his page that his shocks are kyb gr2 like mine. Even in the picture listed above you can see than they are kyb. cmon its not like he would paint original shocks silver exactly like the way the kyb look. spider77 whre you at. we need pics!!!

I'll get you pics up tomorrow. With some measurements.

they may look the same length, but are the holes in the same place?

Alright, so I went out and took some measurements as promised. And let me say I am surprised. I'll post the images then my opinion after.........pics.

This is one of the better shot prior to removal.

Another pre removal shot.

This is the measurement of the endlink. I got as close to mid stud on both ends as possible (using the stud and the zerk fitting).

Measurement (again, aprox) of the mounting tab to the mounting hole on the stock sway bar.

And installed before I put on nuts.

Ok, so as you may notice there is indeed some bit of difference. I could of sworn when I initially installed these they lined up fine. Anyhow. The measurement of the stud to stud (using mid stud to mid zerk) is around 104 mm (rounding up of course) and the mid points of the mounting tab and mounting hole on the stock sway bar is 108 mm. That makes for a difference of 4 mm. Now, when I removed all this I checked for damage to the endlink. Visually there was no damage and the bearing seemed to move just fine in the race (meaning there was no rough spots, it moved freely). When I re-installed this I checked it and sure enough, it looked like it had some stress loaded on it. Just in case your wondering it looked the same with the wheels on the ground.
Long story short, like most aftermarket endlinks it is not adjustable, but I have yet to have any failures with it as of yet. Not to say the lack of correct length will adversely affect it (that has yet to be determined) but like all items like this, they are not designed to last forever. I have no intention on swapping out my endlinks now as they have a while to go. But defiantly keep an eye on them. When I do replace them with adjustable ones I'll cut open the boot and clear out all the grease and we can further examine this.
That being said, I have emailed the company with my pics and wait word from them.

My email--------------> "Not too long ago I purchased a set of endlinks MK9545. Overall I was very satisfied, but upon hearing a forum members problems I had to look for myself. The initial problem was with the endlinks not lining up with the mounting tabs of their struts and endlink mounting hole on their sway bar (although aftermarket). So I was asked to go and look since I had a stock set up, and much to my chagrin I had the same issue. I took some measurements (and although they are an approximation due to the tools I had available) I found the enlinks to be 4 mm off of where they should sit. I have attached the images so you can see for yourself what I am referencing. I know the part must be interchangeable with different set ups, and so the tolerances must be slightly askewed to conform. So my question to you is, does MEVOTECH provide an endlink in the same style (opposing studs) with the correct length? If so, what is the P/N so I can see if it works? And if so, would MEVOTECH be willing to provide me with a set so I can inform members on my forum of a set of endlinks that are to closer tolerances to their stock setup."

This post has been edited by Spider77: Jan 14, 2013 - 4:08 PM

I wouldn't worry about wear on the links, I'd worry about your sway bar not moving correctly.

For me everything is fine...no problems so far.

I took pics of my MOOG endlinks (the thick ones like MEVO), and they appear to be pretty straight, I'll post it up if you need it.

we want pics post it up!!!

as you can see or barely see cus these are not pics to enter in a photo contest, the left and right endlinks are pretty much vertically straight.
in your case, I would think if you checked everything already and tried swapping out stuff. I noticed the inner nut is pretty big, not sure if in yours you can switch it out for thinner ones.

looking at spider's pics, ill have to measure my endlink, luckily i have a spare one lying around, maybe that'll determine if its the rear MEVOTECH brand thats the problem.

LEFT SIDE


RIGHT SIDE




This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 23, 2013 - 8:20 PM

i do have a caliper at my dads place but he's real finicky with me borrowing his tools, which i once had possesion of when i lived with my parents. i miss having a garage full of tools. any how the pic explains it all, spider77 this will need your help. If the mevotech is too large by measurment standards we will deem it cursed and for never to buy it from the company again. hehe jk but honestly they need to redesign it and the company hasn't wrote back to me. Im willing to bend the tab on shock to make moogs fit. I'd prefer them over the miata end links.



This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 8, 2015 - 9:18 PM

i dont have the stock links anymore just a spare moog. but the moog in the area you wanted me to measure is roughly 1.5 inches or 38mm or 3.8cm. The vertical length from end to end just for your reference is 140~141mm.

I hope this helps solve your problem.

The reason why I bought MOOG rear endlinks cus they are a well known brand for suspension, and #2 the reason why I didnt get MOOG front endlinks is because they are the stock size thickness.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 24, 2013 - 6:50 AM

well to put to death the sizing info

as you can see its not that mevotech screwed up when they manufactured it. its just my own problem now. had to find the nearest orielly with this one in stock. also the thing to note is that kyb is the company that supplies shocks to toyota. kyb shock what they use to make oem 94-99 celica shocks. so the whole issue with the tab mount on the shock being off from stock wouldn't make sense at all. i see that you have the megans and they fit just fine. so how much spider is having issues with it fitting perfectly. i also tried using the most inner sway bar whole because its a tighter feel. but still that would give it 2mm more room. anyhow here the second picture i didn't line up. but they are equal in length :



This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 18, 2013 - 10:34 PM

i see, yup thats why i provided the length of my MOOG because it makes sense your studs would be pointing like that in your MEVOTECH cus it had to be longer with the studs facing up or down < just in regards to your pics and mine. but from your pic, since moog is straight in my megans and you said KYB produces the oem shock, doesnt it still look like the MEVOTECHs were longer anyway? for example if I ran your mevotech in my megans, it would have been the same scenario anyway? since you mentioned kyb provides the shocks, in comparison from my observation, they now make their top mounts, cus i have the original and the new toyota mounts when I had em and they looked exactly like my KYB mounts too. btw, my stock endlinks fit exactly the same way.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 24, 2013 - 7:10 PM

they might be like 5mm longer, but thats really nothing. even spider 77 don't fit nicely. im at a loss

alright people problem solved!




This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 18, 2013 - 10:35 PM

This is what I got back from MevoTech
"Please apologize the delay but we had to wait for the OEM stabilizer bar link. We have measured the center distance in
the OEM stabilizer bar link kit which is 105 mm and compared the center distance with our inventory stabilizer links which
is also 105 mm. In your vehicle you need to have a center distance of 105 mm not as shown in your picture of 109 mm.
The incorrect center distance will lead to early wear and tear on both the OEM and our stabilizer link due to off-set movement
of the joints.
If you have further questions please contact us, thank you."
So, that pretty much tells me nothing I did not know (save for the stock length center distance). Now the only thing that I have on the bottom end that is not stock are the Energy Suspension bushings. Although I did fail to take measurements of the thickness of the bushings, that could possibly play a slight part in why everything is off by a bit, given the thickness of the mounting bracket plus a slight width increase in bushing OD. Now I asked mevotech if they have the same style endlink, but with a 109mm center to center measurement....still awaiting response.
BTW..the reason why that dust cover is hitting the bar is because its not held on by the retaining clip that mevotech uses. So I really see no reason to point that out. Best thing to do is get some measurements off the MOOG link and lets compare.

yes dude that is the problem. masked man let me know so. the thickness of each bushing where the ball joint meets is exactly the same. its how they welded the middle bar to each end. the sway bar can move up and down freely without the end links attach so even if the mevotech length is slighter longer than moog by 3 mm it won't have any effect whatsoever. i wrote to them but still didnt get a reply i'm going to write a generic email again. hopefully another rep will help me.

what measurements of moog do you want. as you can see the picture i provided they are exactly the same except of what i pointed up above.

hopefully trdproven can provide better pics. cause honestly the right one is mediocre and the left is junk

or better yet i'll just buy a pair from a store that has them in stock and see how the fitment is then just return them.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 8, 2015 - 9:21 PM

Spider77, do you have pics of the endlinks while the car is on the ground? it seems like the endlinks look the way they do because the car is raised on jack stands and letting the suspension hang.

This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Jan 25, 2013 - 10:32 PM

thats not the issue the sway bar moves up and down so you can fiddle with it a bit. its like what i mentioned its the only thing. watch, i'll get them from the store and install them by tuesday or wednesday. i'll let my action speak for itself

what i would do is put the mevo on top of the moog, but dont line it up with the rod (who cares about it for now where the rod is just get the top inner nut matched up, the part where the sway bar would stop at). do for example the top side first and keep it straight down and see where the other inner nut on the bottom side aligns between the two, I think something might be off. but dont try to make it go diagonal jsut to make the two nuts match. one side might be more in or out. hard to describe but it may not line up evenly with the MOOG, i think it might be a combination of where the two inner nuts line up and that extra total length. thats what I would do next, all there is to compare really on an endlink is between size measurements (placement of things) and how they would actually mount.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 28, 2013 - 5:26 AM