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Wouldn't the distance of the race make a difference too between the two cars? I mean if you're just racing stoplight to stoplight couldn't a celica beat an SI?

helllll no...

I raced a civic SI from a rolling 30 up to about 80... and was bumper to bumper, the road was a little small and dangerous so I stopped at 80. But that was pushing the car hard... very very hard. If it had kept going he would have pulled away most likely. Plus it was more of an exhibition of speed then a race.

And honda did make another DOHC Civic... Starting in '94 until '97 there is the Civic Del Sol V-tech engine... which was the same engine used in the '99-'00 Civic SI

the only way this would happen is if the SI is cruising at 30MPH in 3rd gear, then stomps it while the celica drops into 2nd gear stomps it, then shifts... bad lag in the beginning is very tough to try to make up.

He might have swapped in a B18B (Integra LS) engine which is a DOHC and rated at 140 hp. Might have been in the prep stages for boost or LS/VTEC??? Who knows.

K2_Celica:

Thank you for not jumping on the "hate on the Si" wagon. I agree there are plenty of idiots in Si's that act like they own the road, but I'm sure not one of them!

even though the si's have 160 hp compared to the gt's 135, you have to remember that the si has a higher powerband. So unless the driver of the civic shifts right into or below the power band, the will lose alot of power with every shift. So even though the civic is quick, my celica has beaten many si civics, you can call me a liar, but their low end torque is just so fuggin weak the cant catch up. and as for civic ex's, even though they have 130 hp, st celicas should still be able to keep up, because just like their big brother(the si) they dont have torque.

That's not how it works... I'm sorry to say. You sound kinda funny explaining it that way. Remember...the Civic Si (99+) has an 8K redline... with vtec kick at about 6500 rpm. Per shift, he'll drop back to about 6000 rpm...and still be in his highest power range, and near his highest torque range, at about 6500 something rpms. As far as racing goes, IMO... if it's a drag race...torque definately will help on the launch, but Horsepower is what wins the top-end pull. That's why you don't see tractors drag racing Indy cars...

Kwanza is right, if I shift at 8000-8200 I land at about 6K rpms which is way above the 5500 rpm VTEC crossover. If the driver of the Si was just playing and shifting at 6K then yeah, they are not much of a threat...

theres so many factors that can play into a race, from driver skill, to weather conditions, to engine and tire wear, all the way to as minute as tire pressure.

given ideal conditions, 99 celica GT 5-speed off the show room floor with 0 miles, and a 99 Civic SI 5-speed off the show room floor with zero miles. if you were to neglect breakin time, take them to a drag strip, both drivers have the same skill and get identical reaction times, the Celica WILL NOT WIN. period. end of story. that is what i think the guy was asking.

A SS-ii or SS-iii would win, but not a USDM GT

why can't the 3s-ge be here in america, or at least something stronger than the 5s-fe?

I rode in my friends 99 si the other night..only mods he has is an exhaust...and i could tell that he wasnt even trying and was accelerating much quicker than my celica

Uhhhhhh my buddy has a black 1997 Civic Si, so how was there no si in 97? Im almost positive on the year and I know for a fact its an si, I know it doesnt have the vtec engine, but its an si for sure.

Maybe it wasn't available in the US? I know Ive seen si's for most years.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Oct 1, 2003 - 9:01 PM

check again

Auto Trader

Heres a link to the canadian auto trader, alot of 97 si's and I know some people get the year of there car wrong but there are too many to be just a mistake.

CanadianDriver.com

Heres another webpage that shows the si blue book values from 96-2000

Obviously it was available in Canada for those years.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Oct 1, 2003 - 9:12 PM

Ahh... it's clearer now...you're from Canada. The Canadian Civic Si is the same as the US Civic EX... SOHC D16 motor...127hp. I think it does have Vtec... The Civic SiR, in Canada is the same as the US Civic Si... DOHC B16A... and I believe those are 99+ year models only.

Yep, 99-00. There was no Si in 01 and the 02+ is the EP3 hatchback Si (Si-R in Canada).

This post has been edited by Tenchi: Oct 2, 2003 - 7:58 AM

I would just like to say that before I turboed my car i actually raced my friend with a 2000 civic si..... I actually pulled a lead off the start with a 1995 celica gt! But as soon as i shifted into 2nd gear my friend was already passing me up. So Since I got a better start in that race is the only time i was in front of the civic si!!! Now that i got the turbo ct-26 i can shift at about 4500-5000 rpm and beat the civic si. But for these to cars to race as stock there is no way a celica would win unless you are racing le length of 20 feet!!! HAHA celicas will alway look good going slow down the road and that is the most important part! Right???

yup thats the vtec advantage, no torque to get them off the line but once they get going your in trouble

and that does make sense about the si and sir in canada thanks for clearing that up.

Ah yes, the "torqueless wonder." Gotta love it (or hate it ).