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If thats the case then I guess nothing can stop them . Maybe what we need is a time machine, like in Minority Report. That might be the only way.

I think the only way 2 stop them and prevent them it by identifying people with poor mental health that exhibit signs of this type of behavior at any age.

This makes me wonder, has he only done this 2 times? We all know someone (rather we know it or not) that has been sexualy abused in some way or another, and alot of times, these people will never say anything, Even YEARS later, because they are afraid of the thoughts of others, and that they will no longer be viewed as the same person. And its for reasons like this, these people roam free w/o anyone ever knowing. I dont blame the victims, Its common practice for the offender to threaten, and say things that will discourage the victim from coming forward.


Agreed. He had nothing to live for, short of his own "jollies"


It would be ideal to have it to never happen.

And let me explain a personal belief (and lets try not to discuss this here) But i believe that some crimes are worse than others. (all of our punishment systems work like this, for all countrys) Wife-Beating is worse than Speeding. Thats why one gets jail time, one gets a ticket. And IMO (this is the controversial part, please dont freak and get off topic with this) But Child Molestation is WORSE than Murder. (and when used in conjunction, there is nothing worse that you can do to a person) Think about it, you actualy have to find a child, before commiting this act. You have to find someones baby, someone who's so new to this world, that...

My daughter: I can see this light, the vibrant, radiating light of life; Radiating from her eyes; every time i look into them. It's a beautiful glow of love, life, innocents, and it's such a beautiful thing. As we grow older and make stupid decisions, and face varrious and difficult decisions, and as we age, this light deminishes. And that would be our bassed on our decisions. But some one, would take that aura of love, life, and innocents and turn it into Pain, Fear, and the essence of a nightmare? To someone who has no concept of whats happening, 2 years old. 2 YEARS OLD!! I'm not talking about a 22yr girl who gets drunk and regrets it the next day, I'm talking about a child who is unable to understand why this is happening, why this person is hurting her, why he's being so mean, why he's holding her so tightly, why he's breathing on her so heavily and do i need to continue? We're talking about the person who is sexualy aroused by this. My intent isn't to be vulgar here, but we all read that last line and were sickened and disgusted. We're talking about a person who thinks of what i just said and "pops wood" and "enjoys himself"

This is a Fcuked up person, Anyone who would do this is Fcuked up. And while PREVENTION is the IDEAL solution; punishment should be treated like a rabid dog, should be put down before they hurt someone else. End Of Story.

I only read the first post, so sorry if this was brought up, but...
Doesn't Megan's Law require all sex offenders to tell their employer, landlord, etc... what they did?
Did your job know he was a sex offender, but just didn't they the rest of the employees about it, or did he get around the system somehow?

That's much easier said than done. Typically people who are mentally ill and have a proclivity toward sexual deviance do not exhibit easily recognizable behaviors. Yes, prevention would be the answer, unfortunately, whether a person is mentally ill or not, the fact still remains that pedophiles can NOT be rehabilitated. They simply can't.

It's interesting this has come up here... Death, I feel for you. I really do. In a way I live with this sort of thing on a day-to-day basis. My g/f works for the State in an MRDD group home. The particular home she works in now houses sex offenders, specifically and primarily pedophiles. She has to interact with these people on a day-to-day basis. For the most part, she can handle it. They are people who are literally mentally retarded, some of whom have the mentality and development of a 5 year old. These are people who were severely abused as children, by either their parents or relatives, or by a (now closed) state-operated hospital group-home type of place. These particular clients are easy to deal with, because their environment is strictly controlled and thus they're basically just not exposed to anything that would "make their minds wander" in that direction. Their behavior is simply and genuinely a life-long knee-jerk reaction to their own past abuse.

However - there's one client in particular who is not retarded. He's not exactly bright, but he's not actually retarded. He plays dumb. And everyone knows it, including the psychiatrists who were sought out to label this guy retarded so that he could remain in state custody after he was released from his 13 years in prison. This guy constantly exhibits what's called "grooming" behavior toward the other clients, one in particular. When he talks about his last offense that got him the 13 years in prison, he says the only thing he did wrong was not killing the boy.

My g/f has to work with this guy daily. In fact she has to spend an inordinate amount of one-on-one time with him, as he has a "job" (State vocational program) and it's her job to take him to his job every day and oversee him. She actually likes her job, but this guy and working with him absolutely turns her stomach. She's currently putting in for a different shift, so she won't have to interact with him so much, and she's also looking for a new job.

The thing she's learned from working at this particular house is that basically, you just never know. Someone can seem totally normal and chill and fine, but be a complete sick fcuk. This is just another reason why it's important to be an attentive parent. Know who your kids are hanging out with, get to know the parents, know what your kids are doing on line, and have an open and communicative relationship with your kids.

This is getting so long... I could go on and on here... so I'll end it with this. Personally, as for the death penalty - I support it for child sex offenders. But since we're not going to exercise the death penalty for crimes that don't involve the death of another person, that's basically off the table. I think these people should be castrated and put in jail for the rest of their lives with no parole. (I say castrated because 99% of sex offenders are male.) Basically, brand 'em, make 'em a bitch, and let the rest of the prison population take care of them. Generally they will - look at what happened to Dahmer. He didn't last long in prison at all.

I'm trying really hard not to respond the way I want to to all of your other posts, to respect your right to an opinion and so I will only respond to this one thing above:
The Death Penalty would have prevented this most recent act had it been given as his original punishment the first time he committed this crime years ago. Therefore, your theory here is incorrect.
What I think you mean to say is that a known death penalty for sex offenders will not act as a pre-crime deterrant. OK - maybe in some cases you are correct, maybe most of them, but to say it will never deter any of them of them from committing their crimes is rediculous. I can gaurantee you there are people out there who do not commit such crimes because they fear the retribution the state has already layed out for them. You can't make such blanket statements: their almost always false. There are always exceptions to every rule and in this case those exceptions have the result of a few more innocents staying innocent and free from this type of harm.
Good enough and a step in the right direction IMO.
Furthermore: if you, like I, had a loved one who was the victim of such a horrible crime you would change your mind in a heartbeat. It's easy to be moral and selfrighteous from yours, the easy side of the fence.

Oh, and here's a link to help people/parents stay aware:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/


Edit: your employer probably knew he was a sex offender, it is the law. However it is also the law that your employer is not obligated to inform employees of his crime. Furthermore, I think it might be the law that the employer NOT inform other employees.

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Jul 18, 2008 - 1:54 PM

This is a very serious subject - please keep jokes to another thread.

I'm not sure. I'm only senior management and not over his department but I can say people at my level didn't know and there are only two people [Pres and VP] above us and i don't think they would have hired him had they known. But IDK.

This is not a joking thread. Feel free to visit:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...;hl=joke+thread


NOW THAT'S A COMPROMISE I CAN LIVE WITH!!


x2!!

Amen

Matt, i'm sorry for filling up your thread with my thoughts and ideals, (especialy when they're the same as your's ) But you already knew i would. I love my daughter as much as you love your boys; and while you worked with this guy; i've been to your shop, i've been in the welding booth when people were welding, i could have walked right past this guy w/o ever knowing it. It just hits too close to home. I know you're feeling alot like that right now, Had you known before... Damn dude. sucks.

Its a mind trip, and i'm trying to step off of my soap box, because i'm trembling with anger; just un-intentfuly imagining the pain that the poor girl faced... It fills me with that same anger and rage as i know you're filled with as well. Damn it bro, it's just so fcuked up.

IDK what else to say...

He was arrested though?

Please don't confuse my opinion of the death penalty as me saying that the sex offender you describe in your original post shouldn’t have consequences- I clearly laid out in my original post that I was separating the two. I still feel that lifetime incarceration achieves the same goal you are looking for. That said, I strongly believe the value of human life should NEVER be taken for granted. Hitler successfully sold to the German people that exact concept, and millions of "less valuable" human beings were exterminated in the process. The de-humanization of people is a very slippery slope, because who gets to decide who's life is more important? First murderers and sex offenders deserve to die, then armed robbers, then adulterers, then ...? Now, I'm obviously using drastic examples, but I feel it highlights the problem with setting a value to human life, or rights, for that matter. It's too much like playing God for me... I want to clarify that I don't think you shouldn’t feel the way you do, I really enjoy open dialog about people's thoughts like this. We can all only grow from taking the time to see other's point of view, and I hope it lets you vent off in a positive way

D-man trust me - I'm glad you posted what you did. After having to listen to "enablers" opinions all day at work it's nice to hear someone with a similar opnion. Most of the people here at work feel the same way as we do but there are a couple who think nothing of having worked next to him for 10 years and think maybe he just should have had a few more years in prison - he was in for over 20 years for what he did the first time - if that didn't rehabilitate him nothing will. If that's not positive proof the state should have killed him years ago I don't know what is.
Oh and BTW - You stood right next to the guy. Poor little girl - it would be worth my sentence if I had known and "welded" his head to the table of one of the robots. Fcukin bastard.
NOT HAVING A DEATH PENALTY FOR HIS CRIME ALLOWED THIS MAN TO OFFEND AGAIN AND RUIN A CHILD"S LIFE - A BABY!!! if you can't see this than you are part of the problem.
I gotta stop talking - you guys continue.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jul 18, 2008 - 2:26 PM

I agree with this 100%

For Real! I dont understand (though i dont mind keeping an adult attitude and talking about this maturely) But (rather) it's hard for me to understand how some of our members can bluntly see this man blended in with your crew, didnt' stick out in the least, but say that he's mental and should have been watched? then he's done 20 years already, and the first opportunity he gets he does it again? What part of "too far gone" are people not comprehending? (Again, i mean no offense to anyone, this is just my .02 cents) but a 2 year old child. Common.

I stood right next to him, i had no idea. Damn, they should be required to wear shirts or something. Bright ass neon shirts. Remember when you were giving me that tour of your shop? it would have been perfect should you have said; "And this is our welding room, We've got Plasma, Mig, Tig, a variety of cutting torches, and a Child Molester that you can feel free to test any of the equipment on. Here, Let me show you how to weld a 4 foot long stainless steal bar into an ear canal. After that, We can test out my new design for gothic black spiked steel toe boots on his Sack. i gotta do a double studdy before i can put them into production." And i would have helped you. Had everyone known that he was a child molester, and he was beaten daily for being a fcukin perv, he would have been scared of that child. NOT sexually aroused by her.

If we cant have a DEATH sentence, can we atleast have a law that makes Pedo's stand out like a glowstick in the dark?


i have to agree with this. (again, we mean no direct offense to anyone)

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 18, 2008 - 2:53 PM

As a parent, if anyone ever did anything to my children I wouldnt JUST kill them. Murder is just simply too fast of a punishment for these sick #%#'s. Torture IMO would be in order first.

Right and you should be able to get away with it but obviously we can't empower our judiscial system to do that. I'm with you tho for sure.
I still wanna know why the baby was with this man in the first place. Parents need to be brought up on charges too most likely.

Who says that was a joke???
You guys needs to think of the bigger picture, that comment was no where near a joke. Maybe in the feature we will invent time-machine and wouldnt that be great for crimes like this??

Jumped into conclusion way too early.

You know, it was probably a relative. Anyway, how'd the guy get caught? Maybe the parents didn't know about the guy, and were the ones to catch him? Obviously someone else caught him. IDK. Anyway people like that just deserve to rot and suffer. Death is too easy.