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OK so heres the deal I just got a 95 ST , I dont have to worrk about emissions were I live Im still decideing what do do with my car. I want to make only around 180hp at the crank, but im looking to have as little custom fab work and also trying to stay away from jdm parts that would be hard to get( possiblilydo a 7age na bulid?). I would most likely be dropping the trans and engine at the same time( I have to to a rebulid on the trans). ANY info or imput would be cool, especially aftermarket or piggy back ecu help.

I don't think you'll get 185 with a 7age. IIRC 165 might be realistic w/that setup, otherwise, if you're set on 185 you're either gonna need to do a complete swap or turbo it. Either way, there's no "quick and easy" or cheap solution.

4AGZE build would be nice direct bolt IIRC

Oh, no doubt it would be! I know it's MY long-term plan w/my car! However, that would definitely qualify as a at least kind-of hard to get JDM part. Also, it would not qualify as n/a on account of the Z part of that engine code

But me, yeah. I'm all ABOUT a 4a-gze w/6speeds and LSD.

yeah but didnt the USDM AW11's come with 4A-GZE's
or am i wrong and they only came with 4A-GE's

4AGTE
Turbo a Red-top or a GZE

yes, but some brackets and minor tweaks are needed, remember the MR2 has the engine on the back and the celi on front, the easiest way to do a 4agze swap is to get a 4agze from a levin and those are a little tough to get and usually pricier than MR2 4agze's

ok on that point then you could be the Levin/corolla gze and use aw11 parts corrects or the more differences then id like to know cause if so id like to build something like this.
sorry didnt mean to threadjack

This post has been edited by Akirad1: Nov 5, 2008 - 3:59 PM

I would be willing to do a z swap, all i would have to do is run a oil coller then. I have a friend who has a 86 gts coroola he might be taking the engine out so i might be able to get that off of him. Im not going to lie I am kinda stuck on the idea of doing a 7age not that many ppl have it done, again im only looking to get around 180 hp at the crank if im going NA, or actually 100HP per Liter.

the actual engine components are the same, the differences are on the outside of the engine, like alternator bracket, AC compressor location, the tranny has to be converted to FWD ( not a big deal, but has to be done ) the shifter linkage from the MR2 may not work so it'd have to be swapped for a levin one, and I think one of the water necks for a sensor has to be swapped as well. none of these is hard to do, is just getting the parts, so if you have to go through all these to get levin parts to make the MR2 swap work, or pay for custom parts, why not just get a levin engine to start off ?

again, some 7afe parts may solve these issues, but some will need custom work, also it all depends on the tranny you wanna use.

Thats why if you would use the same block of the 7afe u wouldnt have to worry about tranny or shift linakge problems just the intake and exhaust, and maybe a pully or 2

true, but a 7age comes with its own things that has to be work out, and is just as expensive or more than a 4agze swap.

I can weigh in on the above bolded stuff cause I've assisted in a swap that went the other way [Levin to AW11 swap - FWD to mid engine RWD]. The bolded stuff must be done - IDK about the water neck stuff - don't remember having to do that but could just be something I wasn't involved in.
Another good source for info on this would be Darth Ripley [Another person who has done the opposite swap]
Hope this helps some.

Can you get 180 out of a 7age though? It's my understanding that you wouldn't be able to hit 180 on a head swap like that. I thought best you'd realistically be looking at for a 7age would be 160-165

when comes to car modification, I've learned not to say, can't be done. techonology changes so much and power output and modification techniques change along with them.

one thing I know is " IF " he gets 180 HP out of it, the power to cost ratio will s*ck big time.

well i pla on dropping some cash anyways mainly in part i can do all the rest my self the onlyt thing i would be paying for is machining work , i would have the head checked out, valves ect depending on what it would need, a slight polish, new cam(s), ajustable cam gears, for the block, slight bore, high compression pistions, balanced crank, still looking for a place for new conrods

new injectors, greddy emange, and the other things hear and there, so like i said i mainly would be paying for parts and machine work, i got pretty much every thing else labor wise covered. like I said i am also playing with the idea of 7agze, but idk about the oil cooler yet, i havent looked into that much yet but im guessing it would be similar to a turbo set up.