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post Dec 4, 2008 - 8:32 AM
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There's absolutely no reason to do this when racing, the using clutch is always the fastest way to shift.

Rev-matching is just something to do for fun, or if you're lazy smile.gif Like Razgriz said, if it grinds, you're doing it wrong.

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post Dec 5, 2008 - 11:54 AM
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mostly for lazy people.. xD


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post Dec 5, 2008 - 2:29 PM
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I'm chicken, I have no money to replace anything, and I will stick with using my clutch.... frown.gif


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post Dec 5, 2008 - 2:51 PM
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Tried this yesterday after reading Tweaks how-to, it was pretty easy, I must say it came pretty natural to me. Cool!
Probably not gonna use it very much... i like the clutchy race car feel, moreso on twisties!


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post Dec 5, 2008 - 11:27 PM
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QUOTE (tomazws @ Dec 5, 2008 - 2:29 PM) *
I'm chicken, I have no money to replace anything, and I will stick with using my clutch.... frown.gif


I think its time you become a rooster and try it out... hahahha xP

but yeah, I mean, if you try it out, I would say, it would be kinda worth it.. smile.gif
but it hecka up to you.. if you know you cant, or wont do it.. just dont do it..

but to try it out is a must.. if stoopid hondas can do it, yotas can do it.. ESPECIALLY our own 6th gens ^_^

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post Dec 6, 2008 - 3:41 AM
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I tried it out and it's pretty easy although it felt awkward. I had trouble performing it while starting at higher rev than casual, it felt like there's a threshold that you must stay in for it to work.
post Dec 10, 2008 - 8:16 AM
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QUOTE (99Celica @ Dec 6, 2008 - 3:41 AM) *
I tried it out and it's pretty easy although it felt awkward. I had trouble performing it while starting at higher rev than casual, it felt like there's a threshold that you must stay in for it to work.


That's a good observation, and very true. The higher you rev the more accurate and precise you need to be to make the shift. This is why clutchless shifting is more popular with vehicles that have diesel engines, which have a narrow powerband low on the RPM range.

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post Dec 10, 2008 - 4:13 PM
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Does this really make any sense for everyday use? I've never even heard of it, so it can't be all that practical.
post Dec 10, 2008 - 4:14 PM
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QUOTE (RickJamesBish @ Dec 10, 2008 - 4:13 PM) *
Does this really make any sense for everyday use? I've never even heard of it, so it can't be all that practical.


no, especially if you dont know what your doing.


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post Dec 10, 2008 - 5:37 PM
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QUOTE (RickJamesBish @ Dec 10, 2008 - 4:13 PM) *
Does this really make any sense for everyday use? I've never even heard of it, so it can't be all that practical.


If you're a truck driver, then yes. But since our cars are about the farthest thing from a semi, it really doesn't make sense to do it unless you can do it well.


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post Dec 10, 2008 - 8:48 PM
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QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Dec 10, 2008 - 9:16 AM) *
QUOTE (99Celica @ Dec 6, 2008 - 3:41 AM) *
I tried it out and it's pretty easy although it felt awkward. I had trouble performing it while starting at higher rev than casual, it felt like there's a threshold that you must stay in for it to work.


That's a good observation, and very true. The higher you rev the more accurate and precise you need to be to make the shift. This is why clutchless shifting is more popular with vehicles that have diesel engines, which have a narrow powerband low on the RPM range.

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cool good to know, the dr. can answer anything
post Dec 10, 2008 - 9:12 PM
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I wouldn't say its a good way to drive around daily, the clutch is the quickest way to switch gears. BUT this is useful to know and to have good practice with just in case your clutch was giving trouble or stopped working, you would still be able to get around town or to a mechanic or whatever without towing.


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post Dec 18, 2008 - 2:01 PM
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tried practicing it for left foot braking. still grinds sometimes on the forth though...


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post Dec 18, 2008 - 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (nics @ Dec 18, 2008 - 2:01 PM) *
...still grinds sometimes on the forth though...


when coming from 3rd to 4th.. pull it, place and hold to where youre gonna shift, wait about 3 seconds and then
it should slide into place..

but yeah, I do this when Im on the highway.. kind of not a safe place to do it but I tried it out when there are no cars around me..


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post Dec 19, 2008 - 3:21 AM
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no clutch = good
double clutch = good

single clutch (driving normally)= bad?

post Dec 20, 2008 - 9:53 PM
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QUOTE (aww_shoook_em @ Dec 18, 2008 - 7:29 PM) *
QUOTE (nics @ Dec 18, 2008 - 2:01 PM) *
...still grinds sometimes on the forth though...


when coming from 3rd to 4th.. pull it, place and hold to where youre gonna shift, wait about 3 seconds and then
it should slide into place..

but yeah, I do this when Im on the highway.. kind of not a safe place to do it but I tried it out when there are no cars around me..


sometimes it doesnt grind. need to pratice it with out jerking too much. more smoother when shifting around 3500 rpm.


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post Dec 22, 2008 - 8:44 AM
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QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 19, 2008 - 3:21 AM) *
no clutch = good
double clutch = good

single clutch (driving normally)= bad?


Shifting normally is perfectly fine, and recommended for most drivers.


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post Dec 22, 2008 - 9:19 AM
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I was playing around with this over the weekend a little too.

Thanks for the write up doc, it pretty accurately describes how it works.
you can also put a little pressure on the stick to start to push it in the next gear, and as soon as you ease yourr rpms get into range, then the stick sorta falls into place. and it seems much easier to play around with in the 3-4-5 range as opposed to the 1-2-3 range.



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post Dec 22, 2008 - 10:06 AM
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Sure smile.gif

Yeah I might have forgotten to mention that, first gear is probably the most difficult to get because it's so sensitive to minor throttle movements. I like how you described it, the stick sorta falls into place when you get it right smile.gif

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post Dec 22, 2008 - 10:10 AM
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double clutching? looost.


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