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well, i mean, obviously if its stolen, it would be reported by the owner, or be placed at the scene of a crime, or have fingerprints, forced entry, etc. of course the owner would be questioned, but not accused of anything, especially when they can prove they were somewhere else when it happened. but im pretty sure 99% of intersection photos are NOT of get away cars.

think about it this way, if you lend someone a weapon because they cannot legally obtain one, and they go on a shooting rampage, you will be held partly responsible. Whether or not you were at the scene of the crime, u were the enabler.

if you show that you keep ur car in reasonable lockdown and not an easy invitation to get stolen (unlocked, keys on the visor, etc) i can guarantee you wont get into any trouble if it gets stolen and runs a redlight.

the police have to blame SOMEBODY and the car didnt just roll into the intersection by itself (although some do). of course they are gonna blame the person that registered it.

another example. if a car gets ticketed for parking illegally or at an expired parking meter, who gets the ticket? the registered owner. even if they let their kid drive it that day. or their dad. or mother in law. why?? because it's the owner's responsibility to be competent enough to be a safe driver and entrust no one else with their vehicle.

I stand firmly by:

No harm No foul.

As the autobahn runs... very loose restrictions, go as fast as you desire just be careful with your life as it effects others.

Who cares if you run a red light... if you made it through, obviously you had the opportunity to make it through. Red light or green light, if your paying attention you have a greater chance of making it through. The lights are only a suggestion, its up to the people to obey or not.

Chicago lights are horrible... absolutely horrible. And there are hundreds if not thousands of random "no turn on red" signs. If I can safely go I should be able to go! Forget the color of the light, if its 3AM and nobody is on the road, why should I do more than slow down and check to see if anyone is coming while blowing right on through the red light?

But see... without the camera, its no harm no foul.

With the camera, its no harm big ticket... that doesn't even make sense.

Kinda like the "war" on drugs, how do you totally eliminate someone's freedom and consequently use them for ultra cheap labor while inciting their environment to be EXTREMELY violent... for doing something to themselves?

Stop signs, lights, speed limits... really any sign is just a *suggestion* - a GUIDE to help us navigate the roads safely. We are NOT supposed to be fined or in any way inconvienenced simply for driving our cars down the street!

I've never voted, I don't want ANYONE to represent me... I never signed on to these signs and regulations... I think they are absurd.

I also don't believe in license plates, stickers (even NoS stickers), or licenses to drive. A truly free society cannot include such restrictions... and as long as laws as a whole are place (lets not even throw money into the equation.......) logical thought will not be the driving force behind each and everyones action - someone somewhere is just gonna align themselves with the system and work their way within it... as opposed to deciding for themselves how the world should be and helping to create such a place!

The world doesn't change by thinking "we just gotta stop at the stop lights"...

The world changes when we all realize stoplights are obsolete... let alone those silly cameras, and even further the silly tax applied to not following the silly rules.

am i the only one here that backs up our rules of the road??

if everyone was free to do whatever the hell they wanted, im sure the death toll would be tenfold. freedom is an idea. there is no place anywhere that will ever have 100% freedom for everyone. if i wanted to kick you, i would be eliminating your freedom of being in a kick free world.

all road signs are a guide AND not just a suggestion. THEY ARE THE LAW. they are there to replace some yoke that would stand there and tell each car how to behave when approaching it. ever notice the lines on the road? they are not just pretty dashes and massaging bumps. you're actually SUPPOSED to drive within them and abide by where it guides you. whomever told you you could just drive wherever the hell you wanted, thats the way it should be, etc. etc. obviously got their license taken away, never got it in the first place, or drives around in a field or other non regulated area.

when you study to get your driver's license, the manual says that for a stop sign or red light you STOP. it doesnt say "well you know, you're suppose to come to complete stop but hey if everything looks clear and nobody's around dont worry i wont tell anyone you kept on going." it actually says you MUST STOP. same goes for every other sign. notice that it commands you to do an action. not just suggest that you might want to do something. when a school bus flips out their stop sign, do u keep on going just because u dont see any kids? no..now tell me why? are you abiding it because it says stop? probably not because hey its just a "suggestion" to you. or that maybe, just maybe, you know that there could a kid that u dont see, run the f out of nowhere right in front of you.

a driver's license shows that at the time it was issued, the driver demonstrated competency in understanding and following the rules of the road and can operate a motor vehicle in a safe manner for themselves, any passengers, as well as anyone else in the vicinity. as soon as you get behind the wheel and start driving onto state roads, you automagically signed into an agreement that you will follow the rules of the road and accept all responsibility of your actions. if you dont like it, dont drive.

there's order........and then there's chaos. with the idea of freedom bouncing between them. personally, i prefer order. society only works when theres order. notice that the idea of success starts with order, then disappears as it gets closer to chaos.

you make no sense.. I see what you are trying to explain but your solutions need more thought. Abolition of laws will not be replaced by the people's common sense..never. laws should not interfere with your life if you are "good" citizen to begin with.

Red light cameras are used to raise revenue.
Especially if city/towns shorten yellow lights.

National Motorists Association
http://www.motorists.org/photoenforce/

Regards;
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I don't know about you but running a red light can be a very big harm. I live right around one of the largest universities in America and have seen MANY people almost get broadsided by someone doing 50 mp/h just because they wanted to run a red light. It is a very dangerous thing. I honestly feel a lot more comfortable driving around here now that red light cameras have been installed. And basically you are saying all roads should be like the autobahn, no speed limit and no traffic guidance, just everyone doing what they please when they please (correct me if I am wrong but that is how I interpret it.) The only problem with this is that entire system of thinking is just absurd. Let's have no speed limit. Ok, what are you going to do when you are doing 120 in your Celica and a Ford GT comes barreling down the road at 200 and just completely wipes you and him out? Also, no traffic guidance? Again, you are stopped, there is a slight hill and you are waiting for a clear shot to go. You start to go and again don't realize there is a car doing 150 and broadsides your car. Also, I know this is a bit extreme, but wouldn't having no road laws make it free for us to drive 70 through a residential gated community where little kids play in the street. I realize some people have the common sense to be logical and know to drive slow in certain situations like that but if you give some people an inch they will run a mile. There are reasons these laws are in effect. It is not just so lawmakers and cops can have jobs. It is the simple fact that it helps save lives. Plain and simple. The government is not always out to destroy our lives and make us suffer. It might be hard to believe but sometimes they want to help us and make the roads, and daily life for that matter, a safer place.

Just saying.