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I have no one else to ask who may or may not know this and I am curious....


Ok here it goes. I have seen a few AWD cars turn into RWD cars, or more power put into the rear than the front. How is this done and is it possible for people to do this to the AWD GT-Four? Secondly, I was curious, and this goes for you all out there who have swapped, with some cars that have a swapped engine, I have been told that the gauges need to be changed over too, if the car is capable of reaching higher rpms. So when you swap from a 5sfe to a 3sgte, do you have to change your gauges? And if not then, what about when you stroke the engine to 2.2L? Because I am not sure on the conversion, but I think the GT-Fours redline a bit past where a GT would normally redline, and yet the Km/H seem either equal or less to a stock US GT Celica on max mph on the gauge. Any knowledge to be shed would be appreciated.

All GT Fours are 50:50 power spilt and don't have the active differentials like the newer age Subaru and Evo. Hope that answers that question.
Secondly can't answer the question for the guys who have done the conversions but my ST205WRC revs to 9500rpm, my rev counter redlines at 7500iirc and only reads to 9000, my avcr keeps me right though.

Thanks Paul. How are you by the way? Oh, also, is it true Celica GT-Four is GOD in the UK? I heard that somewhere. Anyways, I have to go check my car again, but I could have sworn it redlines at 6.5k RPM and reads to 8k. So in that aspect, I think with the proper ECU and such, it would be fine, but I want to make sure. I am just confused though on the gauge. If all other cars are in Km/h and GT-Four has more power, how come the Amerca Celicas read 140mph/240km/h? Or is the GT-Four going up to 180mph on the gauge? Because the GT has less power.

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jul 21, 2009 - 3:50 PM

gt-four, all celica and all jap cars that are in japan are limitied to 111 mph. so they have 180km/h speedometer

so if you swap the engine, do you need other gauges or just better to stick with the GT gauge.

For future reference, the GT-4 has AWD- power split is fixed at 50/50. 4WD vehicles, like the aforementioned STi's and Evo's, can vary the split.

you cant stroke the 5S its already 2.2 or did you mean stroke the 3S to 2.2?

um hey random stranger. when we go to the meet next saturday. Just take a look at urbandork's celi. he has the original spedometer with the gt-4 rpm gauge on his 3sgte swapped celica. Didnt ask him exactly how it works. but i will when the meet comes around

yes they have a 2.2 stroker kit for the 3sgte. I believe that is what tufy has on his gt-4 but im not sure?? the kit on some website costs like $3,000. or you can just make your own somehow someway.

edit: ya i think it was 3k i forgot though, whats the name of that japanese website that sells cusco and jspeed 3 point strut bars??

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jul 22, 2009 - 1:14 AM

$3k? Where? All the ones I have seen are for $6k. I think I may have seen some that were $3k and the same exact thing just without the rods, and I wanted HKS ones, but I guess they don't make those anymore so I have to go with Jun. I am really really planning on going for the swap in December.

dont waste your time... 5sgte all the way!! technically you can pull the front axles on a gt4 but that just sounds like a terrible idea... i have a 3sgte swap... i redline at 7200 with my 2nd gen... the needle just goes into the red... i know where my shift point is so you just think of the red as being at 7200... theres no reason to swap gauges... GT gauges go up to 150mph and my car maxes at 186mph...

ha nvm i was way off heres one for $8,000. pretty chea huh

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catal...ail.php?ID=1507

we got 2.2L kit for half the price over here. ~4100USD anyone interested in moving to NZ

GT4 have the limiter at about 6800rpm and the rpm gauge finishes at 9000rpm. all japanese cars (bar a few exceptions) have a 180km/h speedo. I dont know about the wiring, but swap the whole gt4 guage cluster in, but keep your speedo.

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jul 22, 2009 - 1:35 AM

don't waste your time swapping the cluster in... its a PITA and no point... only thing you gain is the boost gauge... that tells you your turbo is still in your car... thats about all its good for

Fk bulletproof.... overpriced crap. Honestly, I never even heard of Brash Boy. You know they deal with Varis USA directly and couldn't tell me where I could find the Varis Spoiler for the GT-FOur Extremor kit? Varis! It is a Varis spoiler! They had no idea where I could find it. Well I ended up finding it in places of Europe for $1200 shipped.... Anyways, thanks for looking that up for me. I had found a place before (maybe they are not available anymore?) with them for $3k and up to $6k. I am not ready for those, but just looking into it. I still have a long way to go and some time to enjoy the swap before it undergoes more modification for a stable state of accomplishment.

Wow you guys are throwing around some serious coin figures for a 2.2L stroker setup for the 3sgte. ATS offers the 2.2L stroker bottom end starting at 2000$ which includes forged Pistons.

http://www.atsracing.net/strokershortblock.htm

Are they the same thing though Jim?

What do you mean, "are they the same"?

No you don't need to swap gauges. When I had the 20V it would get pegged out on the factory tach, since the blacktop ECU let's you run it out to 8,500.

As far as power split, Toyotas don't have a controllable center differential (DCCD), so there is no uneven power split- however I'm sure you could get it to work with enough money. Now converting from AWD to RWD is simply deleting the front axles so that all power is sent to the rear.

Well like.... The forged pistons from these people the same as from JUN or HKS? Plus the crankshaft, I mean it would make sense if it did come out of a 5sfe, seeing how if we need to turbo the 5s, people go with the 3s heads, and we are aware it isn't good to just slap a turbo on a high compression vehicle that wasn't originally made for turbo. So using the 2.2L crankshaft from a 5sfte would make sense, but does it drop into the 3sgte block? I guess it would if you are using a 3sgte, because if you used a 5s block, might as well go 5sfte and swap heads..... Well if they are the same thing, then I suppose it would be better to go that route when one decides to do the 2.2L stroker kit, for $3k to have it bored out, with pistons and crank w/rods, I would have to say that isn't a bad deal at all...... oh and the $300 core charge included in that figure, not bad at all..







Really, deleting the front axles? Is it that simple? Or would that cause a problem? I honestly prefer to go AWD in the future, but I might look into other options as well, it never hurts. To be honest, I think the 6gc would make an excellent drift car, vs other Toyota RWD vehicles that are rather too heavy.

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jul 25, 2009 - 9:41 AM

It isn't "all" you need to do, but that is how I've seen it done on a Subaru Legacy.

I also found this: http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/powertrain/2...rwd-w-pics.html