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I want to do something no one has ever done, i want to do 5sge Beams. What are your thoughts? Can it be done? Do you think performance wise it would increase power dramatically? I also want to build it for nitrous. It's just a thought that I couldn't find anyone ever talking about on here. It won't be attempted for a couple years but I just want to figure out what I'm going to do to my celica.

nothing that says it cant be done, a 5s-gte is a phenominal build if done right. I could only assume parts would be a hassle as would wiring.

sometimes being original can be painful

i want n/a ideally, i don't mind turbos at all, but there's something about n/a that I just love.

^what is it?

^Gas mileage?

^maybe

the fact that people cant guess what's under your hood, beams are sexy in general, and idk something just appeals to me to never have to deal with a turbo.

wait what!!! 5sge beams makes no sense. You want a 2.2 ltr 3sge beams??

regular 5sge has been done, but the one with beams, maybe you should ask mr2 people. MR2OC

how would you do a 5sge? use the block from a 5sfe and 3sge head?

yes, 5s block with a 3s head, same valve train as the 3sge but bigger displacement. i managed 207hp (176.XX WHP) with a forged bottom end before buttoning up the turbo. just throwing that out there (gte head, NO beams) small increase over the 3s-ge but im running 8.5:1 pistons

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Dec 1, 2009 - 7:50 PM

i wanted to do that like last june but i didnt have much resources

mike did you use a 2nd or 3rd gen ge head?

3rd gen with 264' BC cams

I have my custom made cams for beams 278deg 11.2mm

and I used same for 3s-ge rev3 making 200hp+ with great torque
200Nm from 4700rom flat till end currently 7500rpm (will be 8200rpm )

so if You want do 5S-GE use 5S block

with my set: custom cams + 3s-ge rev3 head (prepared for 11.8 CR )

for this setup I can provide You more parts

ITB 4x45mm
Y-pipe calculated for new cams setting

wow 278deg on a BEAMS your not running VVTI still are you?

what else is done to the rev3 3S to get get the +200BHP? I'd would like more details and dyno runs if you have them?



IMO I dont think a 5S block will work with a3S BEAMS head

beams head will work fine with a 5s block, its just a matter of porting coolant lines.

yes 278 deg with overlaping 61-75 deg (so vvti restricted to 14 deg )

more details about Beams in my profile .


Rev3 :

- customs cams (overlaping 70 deg )
- CR up
- piggyBack - fuel and Ign correction

till now exhaust and intake all ..stock

Working on upgrade intake header and exhaust ....
Results will provide soon ....

what do you mean your not running vvti are you? vvti is on the intake side not the exhaust cams. Maybe im not getting how the whole vvti works with the 3sge...

Yes its a Blacktop 3S, its still the same cast (there is some extra machining on the blacktop where on the redtop is left undrilled)


using a 5S-FE block (I dont know how many revisions there are)


also your running a lower compression ratio of 9.5:1 in a 5sfe (compared to 11:1)


also the oil line to run vvti

it seems a lot of work to do all that, easier to go 3sge beams or 5sge with a 3rdgen head