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 Dec 22, 2010 - 5:08 AM
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Just wondering if anyone has endevoured to install a modern 6 speed box in a Celica yet?
Doesn't seem to be any info around, just curious. -------------------- Mike W
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Dec 22, 2010 - 5:25 AM
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nope looks like best gearing is from e153 can be used for fwd and from what ive read all the internals can go into the e154f
(st205 tranny) this thread goes in depth about best gearings http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=222616 This post has been edited by Johnnyny: Dec 22, 2010 - 5:25 AM |
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Dec 24, 2010 - 4:40 PM
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yeah its been done, a stock 7th gen gts lol
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Dec 25, 2010 - 5:05 PM
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Dec 26, 2010 - 7:28 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 11, '08 From Auckland, New Zealand Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Still just for the 7afe and 4age guys.. nothing for the 3s and 5s guys then...
good to know about the e153 gearset going into the e154f, st205 gears are stupidly long, especially 3rd gear and 4th gear, i fall out of full boost rpm on upshifts unless i redline each gear lol -------------------- Mike W
1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOUR GT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC 269awhp / 273ft-lbs |
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Jan 10, 2011 - 4:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '09 From Washington, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
anyone have the gear ratios for the 1-5 on the E-153 and the E-154-f?
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Jan 11, 2011 - 12:38 PM
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you know, all E series trannies use the same case, so its a matter of swapping the diff, and bolting the transfer case on to the e153.
if i go the awd route with my swap, thats what im going to do. -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Jan 11, 2011 - 1:03 PM
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QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Jan 11, 2011 - 12:38 PM)  you know, all E series trannies use the same case, so its a matter of swapping the diff, and bolting the transfer case on to the e153. if i go the awd route with my swap, thats what im going to do. yes, but i'm needing the gear sizes so i can try to find 6 gears slightly smaller (or considering the 5th off the E-154f as a 6th to the E-153 1-5 gears in the E-154f case)... i'm going to try building it into a 3S-GTE powered 6-speed AWD monster.... >:D |
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Jan 11, 2011 - 8:28 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 28, '09 From York pa Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
QUOTE (Detatch @ Jan 11, 2011 - 1:03 PM) QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Jan 11, 2011 - 12:38 PM) you know, all E series trannies use the same case, so its a matter of swapping the diff, and bolting the transfer case on to the e153. if i go the awd route with my swap, thats what im going to do. yes, but i'm needing the gear sizes so i can try to find 6 gears slightly smaller (or considering the 5th off the E-154f as a 6th to the E-153 1-5 gears in the E-154f case)... i'm going to try building it into a 3S-GTE powered 6-speed AWD monster.... >:D you cant just add a gear... |
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Jan 11, 2011 - 8:33 PM
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QUOTE (Johnnyny @ Jan 11, 2011 - 9:28 PM) QUOTE (Detatch @ Jan 11, 2011 - 1:03 PM) QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Jan 11, 2011 - 12:38 PM) you know, all E series trannies use the same case, so its a matter of swapping the diff, and bolting the transfer case on to the e153. if i go the awd route with my swap, thats what im going to do. yes, but i'm needing the gear sizes so i can try to find 6 gears slightly smaller (or considering the 5th off the E-154f as a 6th to the E-153 1-5 gears in the E-154f case)... i'm going to try building it into a 3S-GTE powered 6-speed AWD monster.... >:D you cant just add a gear... Can't is a strong word, you can have a custom gear set made. -------------------- |
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Jan 11, 2011 - 9:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '09 From Washington, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE (Bitter @ Jan 11, 2011 - 8:33 PM) QUOTE (Johnnyny @ Jan 11, 2011 - 9:28 PM) QUOTE (Detatch @ Jan 11, 2011 - 1:03 PM) QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Jan 11, 2011 - 12:38 PM) you know, all E series trannies use the same case, so its a matter of swapping the diff, and bolting the transfer case on to the e153. if i go the awd route with my swap, thats what im going to do. yes, but i'm needing the gear sizes so i can try to find 6 gears slightly smaller (or considering the 5th off the E-154f as a 6th to the E-153 1-5 gears in the E-154f case)... i'm going to try building it into a 3S-GTE powered 6-speed AWD monster.... >:D you cant just add a gear... Can't is a strong word, you can have a custom gear set made. indeed... every transmission case has room for 6 gears and a reverse gear... i'd need a whole new gear set (not sure IF i can play mix-and-match with the E-153 gears in the E-154f casing), a new shift fork, and perhaps a new shifter-shaft... maybe a new reverse gear too... but from what i gather, it can be done... just need the sizes (not ratios) of the gears in the E-154f... anyone have the numbers/link to where i can find them? |
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Jan 11, 2011 - 10:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 28, '09 From York pa Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
not trying to put anyone down if anyone can and does do this awesome for them and community
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Jan 11, 2011 - 11:37 PM
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A 6th gear has been done with the st205 tranny...although the specifics are lost on me...
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Jan 12, 2011 - 12:02 PM
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I have a 6 spd from Toyota Auris i imported from UK which will bolt right to a 3sgte/2GR There is also is a 4wd version in 2010+ RAV 4 2.2L diesels (Europe)
Problem is gearing for high torque applications and not sure it is best for 3sgte. I bought to use with a 2GR and is same as ones used in Lotus Evora. This gearbox is beefy but smaller than a E series transmission due to 3 rows of gears instead of 2. Though this will easily fit into Celica it is going into a Mr2..sorry guys . Here is listing of most of Toyota Transmissions . Note any with F are 4wd versions http://www.toyota-tech.eu/SST/2009/Introduction.pdf This post has been edited by FORGMANN: Jan 12, 2011 - 12:06 PM -------------------- Old guy with the toys
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Jan 12, 2011 - 12:10 PM
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2gr+6sp+mr2??
Yes, please. -------------------- 1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of money
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Jan 12, 2011 - 1:01 PM
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2gr + turbo + 6sd + awd + celica. get on it.
it'd finally be an up to date gt4 lol -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Jan 12, 2011 - 2:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 5, '05 From pineapple under the sea Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
I don't know how well a stock 2gr would handle a turbo. High compression and FI don't mix.
I'd be happy with that setup, sans turbo. Intake, headers, and exhaust would open that 280whp monster up... And still get good gas mileage. -------------------- 1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of money
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Jan 12, 2011 - 6:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '09 From Washington, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE (FORGMANN @ Jan 12, 2011 - 12:02 PM) I have a 6 spd from Toyota Auris i imported from UK which will bolt right to a 3sgte/2GR There is also is a 4wd version in 2010+ RAV 4 2.2L diesels (Europe) Problem is gearing for high torque applications and not sure it is best for 3sgte. I bought to use with a 2GR and is same as ones used in Lotus Evora. This gearbox is beefy but smaller than a E series transmission due to 3 rows of gears instead of 2. Though this will easily fit into Celica it is going into a Mr2..sorry guys . Here is listing of most of Toyota Transmissions . Note any with F are 4wd versions http://www.toyota-tech.eu/SST/2009/Introduction.pdf i don't see the celica, 3S-GTE, or the E-154f or even E-153 on there at all....  EDIT: btw... anyone have any idea of any lotus transmissions that bolt on to an S type block, with a 6-speed set-up? i'm thinking if that's the case, the gears can be transplanted into the E-154f?? This post has been edited by Detatch: Jan 12, 2011 - 7:32 PM |
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Jan 12, 2011 - 7:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '09 From Washington, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
IDEA IDEA IDEA!!!!
what are the EXACT gear ratios of the following transmissions (all bolted to a 3S-GTE): S-54 E-153 E-154f idea 1: E-153 1-4 with 4 and 5 off the E-154f acting as a 5th and 6th for an E-154f 6-speed conversion? idea 2: S-54 1-5 with 4th OR 5th from the E-153 as a 6th gear in the E-154f hoursing? general idea: any way to play with the gear sets between these 3 transmissions (i currently own all 3), to make a 6-speed out of the E-154f case?? if anyone has the exact sizes, or at LEAST ratios of all 3 transmissions listed above (when bolted to a 3S engine), PLEASE, for the love of the celica community, message me or something...  if i can do a 6-speed conversion, i'll GLADLY post a write-up of everything on here... |
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Jan 13, 2011 - 8:55 AM
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it wont work, there isnt enough space in the case.
why you would want longer gearing than what the e153 can give you, in a celica is beyond me. hell, 110mph in 3rd isnt enough? lmao yes, with a 225/45/17 tire, with the e153/3sgte in a celica, you can get up to just about 110mph, in 3rd gear, 140+ in 4th..) -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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