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hey guys, since i've been fielding alot of questions about turboing the 5s, and most of the links in the 5sfte sticky are dead, i figured i start a thread about the buildup of my kit, and try to include as many details as possible, so everyone can learn a little more about what exactly goes into a setup like this. ill keep updating the threads and adding pics and stuff as i upload more ect..
im not gonna get into the whole why not swap a 3s instead debate here, thats a dead issue as far as im concerned. (not that i think swapping is a bad idea, just not for me.)
so, ill start off by saying the single most important thing you can do if you wanna turbo your 5s is RESEARCH! take your time, learn about the diffrent systems that all work together to make a good kit work. go to www.howstuffworks.com and find out how EVERYTHING works, it'll make understanding the hows and whys of everything so much easier. i've been reserching about this for 2+yrs and i STILL learn new things everyday.
#2 is DONT BE CHEAP...can you do it cheap? yea..will it last? prolly not.
thats gotta be the SINGLE biggest mistake i see EVERYONE make. cheap out on all the little stuff, and it WILL come back to haunt you in the end
that said, i decided i wanted to turbo my 5s. lol
so, off on the hunt i went...parts lists, install sites, the burien kit...i searched it ALLLLLL...for MONTHS!! talking to people, looking at sites, printing info..basicly what the old timers call "goin to the woodshed"
then, i started looking for parts:
3s exhaust manifold, ct-26 turbo, oil hard lines, elbow and primary cat (also known as a downpipe), if your not planning on getting a aftermarket downpipe. also the oil pan and 2bar map sensor.
your gonna want these off of a 2nd gen 3sgte from a 90-93 alltrac or mr2T, and are pretty easy finds over on www.alltrac.net and or www.mr2oc.com. if your not a member of these 2 sites, YOU SHOULD BE!!! theres a wealth of info on these to sites, and while alot of it may not be 5sfte spacific, its still VERY good info, especially the 90-99 mr2/ 3sgte forum.
next was injectors. there is ALOT of confusion here, where to find them, what they look like, what size are they really ect.
what we're looking for is the MKIII N/A supra injectors. not turbo injectors, not alltrac injectors, N/A MKIII supra. theyre a lime green color, and 315cc. just to clear up another point of confusion, they do NOT become bigger injectors in our cars. the fuel pressure between the n/a supra and the 5s is the SAME.
there is a pic in the 5sfte sticky of what they look like and the flow tests to show it.
i found mine on ebay, but you can sometimes find them on some of the boards ive mentioned, and the supraforums.
also, i really reccomend having the injectors cleaned and balanced once you get them, if you look closley at the printout for my injectors in the sticky from when i had them cleaned and balanced, youll see why i say this.
one of my injectors wasnt even spraying, it was DRIPPING before it was cleaned. i'd HATE to see what would happen if i'd installed that thing in there and cranked up the boost!
so yea, i really cant stress enough, HAVE YOUR INJECTORS CLEANED BEFORE YOU INSTALL THEM!!! www.rceng.com did an excelent job on mine for about 100$, and ive heard thru the mr2 board that www.witchhunter.com also does a very good job, and are only 12$ per injector.

EDIT!!! 315CC injectors are TOO SMALL for use in a turbo 5sfe. 460cc rx7 injectors are a drop in replacement and are discribed later in this post!!!


you'll also need to upgrade your fuel pump, use the 255lph walboro supra pump. you can get it for under 100 usually on ebay., and pretty much bolts in.
next for me was the intercooler..now contrary to popular belief, bigger IS NOT always better when it comes to intercoolers.
you wanna choose the smallest intercooler to fit your needs, with a LITTLE room for growth. for instance, in my case, my goal is around 190-200whp for now, so i chose a intercooler thats 26x6x3 overall length, with endtanks. its good for up to 300hp. why not somthing bigger? well, the #1 reason is theres no NEED for anything bigger. lol the bigger you go, the more pressure drop you have, and thats not what we want. with all the piping invloved for a 5sfte FMIC, the last then we want is some big honking core, sucking up 2-3 or more psi of the boost we wanna get to our engines.
for the piping, again, bigger is NOT always better. 2" or 2.25 " is more than sufficent for us. you'll need to buy pre-bent lengths and cut and fit them for your particular setup. jcwhitney is cheap for aluminized steel, or burns stainless if you want stainless pipes.
then the noise maker of the bunch , the BOV...your choice here, i chose the HKS SSQV... got it from ebay for 190+ shipping i think it was..just make sure your buying the real thing if its from ebay, theres alot of shady copys floating around. youll also need a mounting flange to have welded to your intercooler piping, make sure you get the correct size and material to match your piping.
TOO BE CONTINUED...

This post has been edited by presure2: Nov 11, 2007 - 10:53 AM

Lol hes never selling that car!

i aint worried about the block...honestly its the last thing on my mind. lol
we arnt some fly-by-night celica owner...we've had the car 10 years, we aint selling.

i dont think thats giving up, that is taking it to the next level.

5s is good car, but 3s is the way to go, too bad the parts are not that easy to get, but definetely the way to go...

definitely doesn't count as giving up, but I look forward to the new build

I just wanted to clarify something I may have missed.
You will be keeping the car but swapping out the engine correct? Or keep the car and start with a fresh project car?
I am assuming you are going to just engine swap it and I wish you the best of luck with that.
Would this also mean that parting of the old engine will come shortly after? I can already hear the turbo vultures licking their chops lol.
This probably belongs in a new thread but do you have any plans as far as power goals for the 3s? Staying FWD or going GT-4 style?

i dont see it as giving up, i see it as moving on to bigger and better things.

keeping the car, swapping out the motor yes.

the turbo parts will be sold off.

no crazy power goals with the new motor, ~300whp, FWD.

are you going to keep the 5sfe tranny, or are you going to go e153?

I say go e153 I know you want to Jen

wow sorry if i seemed to offend everybody.

I meant, give up as on the 5sfte, the title of this thread. YES a 3sgte is a bigger and better thing, still not a 5s. . . But still good luck with your future boost Manny.

We definetly want to go e153..just a matter of if we will have the budget to do it.
No offense taken at all Sam, just wrong choice of words I guess... Lol

so i guess its time for one final update.
pulled the motor 2 weeks ago.
tore it down yesterday.
broken ringland on the #2 piston.
other than that, there is no damage to the block.
parts are listed in the FS section, own a piece of 6gc history!
lol
thats about all she wrote for the good ole 5sfte.
hope you guys learn as much from this thread as i did building it.

Sorry to see it end, but it's being replaced by a 3S, so I'm pretty sure we'll get over it.

Also, one last thing you need to learn...there is no page 23. Turn off your noob settings!

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Jun 20, 2010 - 10:13 AM

One day when I'm on my feet and have a decent amount of disposable income I'm going to buy another 6th gen, and when I do I plan on breaking all the 5sfte records you set, lol But seriously, this car was the inspiration for me to blow all my time and money on mine and I don't regret it one bit. Maybe when you get the 3s and start doing crazy things it'll inspire me to build up the alltrac... lol

Is this a sticky??
It should be
Back to the front

It's common knowledge to use the Search feature, and Search by Member "Pressure2" if anything must Absolutely, Positively be found in it's complete and total informitivitiy. (yes i just made that word up)

I'll second a sticky though. (even though it'd be great to see it dumbed down from 27 pages on standard setting) ...Just Sayin...

its in there.

i kno im really late but ats is bad a$$ i live in denton tx im always up there ... there mr2 are so sick

What fuel injectors will fit in the 5fse engine. Someone said the RX7 fit in good, what year rx7? Others say the supra ones fit. Can you clear this up for me. Also how come the 3sgte injectors don't fit?
Is there a intake manifold that fit the engine I can use that's not off the 3sgte. Is the solara 4 cyl intake bigger? I plan on doing the 5sgte swap as soon as I get a 3sgte engine to pull off of but i want my car to perform a bit better until then.