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Hey All,
As some of you may know, I've been doing some work for Jim, building up his Alltrac. ( Click For Alltrac Build Thread )
He came across a deal on a build, 2nd Gen 3s bottom end here on the forum,(from itchyb) and figured we could use that, with a 3rd gen head and oil system to make a nice bullet-proof bottom end to use with a nice medium sized turbo to build a great "street beast" ....~500 AWHP that comes in quick and holds out to redline.
So Jim and his bro, Joe, brought me up the bottom end, and a stock 3rd gen engine set to get started with.
I got the built block up on a stand, and immediately noticed a serious issue with it.
The surface of the block is all pitted, and especially around the bores, like it had been shot with a Shotgun or somthing!
A few pics:









What exactly caused it, I dont know, but what I do know is I definetly wouldnt trust it to seal with a metal headgasket, and I definetly wouldnt want to have the block machined that much to bring it back to flat.
So, I figured to myself "Well, at least it has really nice pistons (it was supossed to have Arias pistons) and good rods (Eagle rods), so we have good stuff to work with" and continued to tear it down.
When I got the oil pan off, it was more "bad" news.
The pistons were not Arias, but CP pistons, which really isnt "bad", but wasnt what Jim was told was in there.
A couple pics of that: (sorry for the crappy quality, the ipod cam isnt the greatest)

Before taking it apart:



Eagle rods, ARP2000 Bolts:



CP Pistons:



Once I had that info, I called Jim.
We talked over the options, and Jim and Joe decided that if we were gonna have to have machine work done, it might as well be on the setup they'd like to do most, which would be a stroker setup.
Jim has Shannons old 5sfe bottom end, which is a 98+ block (the 98+ Celica blocks all are thicker in the waterpump corner of the block) so he said he would ship it up.
Since I still have my 5s bottom end here, I told Jim that we would just use that, and he could just bring up Shannons bottom end to replace it the next time he comes up.
Because MCS motorsports (the guys who built itchys bottom end) had some serious issues before they went under, I wanted to check the main bearing clearances before we did anything else, in case the crank needed any machine work.
The bearings that were in it were all .25mm undersized.
pic:

Omg..... that's the best looking manifold I've ever seen for a celica

lol..im really super happy with it. the runners are tuned for jims desired powerband and all.
crazy part is this is a "lower end" exhaust manifold, price wise, compared to what jeff @ racerx fab. can do. his high end manifolds run 1400-1900$, use "burns stainless" double slip turbo collectors, 316 stainless ect..just the collector on one of those manifolds run ~ 500$ IIRC.
jim paid ~800 for the manifold, + coating.

we're planning to install a civic half rad to give us the clearance to run this setup in the alltrac. definetly will be a fun project with lots of fab work to come!

Loving this build so far.

Old post, but the 2ZZ got a cooler down under and across both ponds for whatever reason. Not having one seems to make little difference unless you're tracking it hard.

That manifold gives me quite fuzzy feeling. Looking forward to more progress.

Also, *Wiseco.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Aug 28, 2011 - 7:55 PM

Very nice build =), I remember there was a guy on celispeed who was doing a build very similar

Maybe you can get some ideas=p
Here

This post has been edited by NYp8tBaller07: Aug 28, 2011 - 8:13 PM

^^ nice link, looks like hes got some good wiring skills, that interior is gonna be pretty wild.
the motor build is a little less involved than this one will be, tho.

so this weekend, i went out to the garage, and drilled and tapped the holes for the upper oil pan, and the oil feed for the turbo.

a few pics of that.







placed the head on the block, to get an idea of what the turbo-manifold combo will look like.

Yeah good work, thorough walkthrough for people to follow themselves. One of the experienced 3s workshops in Aus has built a few of these "big bore" 3/5s. I love the idea, he uses longer rods to get a better stroke to rod ratio, decent comp ratio (up to 9:1)Rev to 9+k rpm, with a suitably matched turbo, perfect street setup.

Good work so far Manny
Love it
I'll be sending my car over to you so "Manny Can Pimp My Ride"

thanks man, from the research we've done, this setup should be a real blast to drive under almost any circumstances.
it should have a good combination of grunt and top end.

ZR: i'd rather take the trip to AU and do it there!!
im hoping to have the block ready to go to the machine shop tuesday, and hopfully can start actually building things by next weekend!

Manny, when you finish this build, please please PLEASE take a lot of video! this is just so amazing.

Kevin

This is going to be wild, cant wait to see it!

Awesome work.

Awesome work Manny! How goes the progress? Love the pics!

this excites me.

not much to report yet, i ground down the back of the block to clearance for the AWD tranny, hoping to take the block over to the machine shop this week, then the real fun will start.

post lots of pics!!! tons of pics!!!!

manny, you are the man. I want to shake your hand one day in person. great build, great write up! I regret i couldnt get my hands on the oil cooler you needed from the 4th gen personally. were you able to give cam a shout to get it?

I talked to cam, but he said ya didn't have one. No biggie, imma just weld up what I need

cool! now for my next question, with all the power going to the wheels, whats the percentage of rear to front? ive always wondered that about the AWD celica line. can you manipulate how much power goes to which wheels? (i imagine so with the engine management youre using?)