+20 hp!!!!!!!!!!!!!, does anyone know about this Options

[RoverGuy]

can anyonelink to resistor ad thingy/ tell me what they are doing in this thing...or if it works?

[slipgun]

they are screwing with your numbers going to the ecu so it puts in more gas and makes the car run rich, From what I hear it may actualy go faster, some say yes some say no, but I hear its not good for the car, I wouldnt get it.

[94silverst]

This is a stupid product!! All it is is a resistor that is SUPPOSED to act like a horespower chip but doesn't do S***!! Someone is just selling a $.20 wire resistor for $20. DON'T BUY IT!!

[snadman]

You should really use the search feature instead of asking this...since this has been asked many times. But since I'm in a way good mood I'll just let your laziness live on and tell you.

It's a resistor put on the Air Intake Temp Sensor (not sure if that's the exact name for the sensor but it's the temperature sensor that goes in the intake box or in a hole drilled into your cold air/short ram intake). What it does is change the voltage so the computer thinks colder air is coming in even though it really isn't, and to compensate it pushes more fuel out. Sometimes this works, but I don't think it would benefit a 7AFE since everyone on this site says it already runs really rich. Honestly, if you want to send me 10 bucks I'll send you the resisitor mod and I'll keep the 9.75 that you just gave me as profit and do something with it...or you can send this guy 20 and he'll keep 19.75. Whatever you want...lol.

^^^ I hope you know I was being sarcastic, I wouldn't be that mean and steal 10 bucks from you like that. Just don't waste your time on cheap mods like this, if you can even call it a mod. Save your money for something worthwhile.

[RoverGuy]

obviously i wasnt going to buy it i just wondered acutally if anyone knew what size resistor it was...

[SpedToe169]

uh-huh


If you just wanted to know what size resistor it was why didn't you just ask that? And you obviously don't believe us if you want to know what size resistor it is because you're obviously going to try it.

[RoverGuy]

sure i would try it, i have tons of resistors and i was just trying to see if anyonw knew so that it would save me the trouble of going to a toyota dealer and finding out what the range of the sensor is...rich to lean....and probably more likely tapping into my coolant sensor since it has a lot more to do with my fuel air mixture than the tempeture sensor does since its a speed density system...i wasnt asking to be ridiculed it was just asking your opinion and if you knew...come on now...cant we all just get along torrey

[RoverGuy]

plus with the implementation of my new exhaust and cold air intake a richer mixture could be ok.

[Supersprynt]

Is that the air fuel mod? It just changes the voltage so ur ecu thinks ur getting colder air, its not going to be 20hp tho, what a crock.

[jayi12-15psi]

KILL THE nOOb

[RoverGuy]

ok so for those of you who don't know, colder air more dense...therefore requires more fuel....if the ecu thinks its getting more dense air(more air) it respondes with more fuel. but acually in an air density system(no Mass Air Flow Meter) the coolant temp sensor is the real mod...if rich engines run cooler...lean engines run hotter...if you make the ecu think the engine is a little hotter than whta it should be it will richen up the fuel mixture....but one thing. it WILL use more fuel.

[Kwanza26]

[Supersprynt]

Fooling your ECU is BAD, thats why SAFCs being is debatable, they're fooling the ecu.

[Drocay]

those things are trash as a joke we put one on my friends civic it would rev higher and had better accel, but full tank of gas mysteriously disappeared and his car would stall and its a automatic.

[snadman]

BTW, RoverGuy...the reason I was beaing pretty mean was because this question has been asked before like 3 times most entitled "performance chip on ebay" so that's why you were getting ridiculed. And don't try it, get some real mods and some boost or something...then go get yourself a wideband O2 sensor and an ems or piggyback system so you can actually get some gains out of messing with your AFR. An intake and/or exhaust does hardly anything for our cars performance-wise. Why try and get one or two extra hp and risk messing up your engine?

This post has been edited by snadman: Mar 10, 2004 - 10:22 PM

[RoverGuy]

ok...i see your point but your engine does breathe better b/c you have a better flow air filter on the front plus im eliminating 2 cats and a resonator...and hey if you know where i can get a real chip....please let me know...i would love that...i know i can search for it but sometimes people just like to talk about there cars to people who actually are doing the same things you are...isnt that what this community is all about...anyway...thank you for all of your input. torrey

[Supersprynt]

The elimination of cats and air box and restrictive stuff just frees up HP, and you should do these things as a base for more intense tuning.

[SpedToe169]

You're oversimplifying this way too much. You cannot just put a resistor inline with one of the sensors and tune the car. This may have worked on older electronically fuel injected cars but its very unlikely that it will work on obd1 stuff and it sure as HELL isn't going to work on obd2 stuff. For instance, have you thought about what this does to timing? The ECU has control over timing as well and uses the saem sensors to figure out fuel and timing. If you want to tune your car, get an SAFC. Supersprint, there is nothing wrong with an safc, please pull your head out. If you're really serious, get a standalone ems. But please don't **** with **** if you don't know how it works (i.e. the stock ecu).

[Supersprynt]

Said it before, i'll say it again...fooling ur ecu is BAD!

Your going to end up with detonation and then kaboom.

[SpedToe169]

[jayi12-15psi]

omg, play nice, but I have to say, that the safc, is not a bad thing. However it is neccesary that it is turned correctly, on a dyno. As long as the safc isn't placed in the hands of a complete moron, you should be fine, but maximum gains can only be obtained by multiple dyno runs, trial and error

[Supersprynt]

Yeah really WTF man? Why are you asking me questions, and then anwerin them in the same damn sentence? Take ur ****ing midol.

And i wasnt referring to ONLY the SAFC, i was referring to fooling your ECU, adjusting timing incorrectly, which it will do if things are the way your ECU believes they are.
Did you think I was attacking you? I mean WTF? Did ur girl just dump you?

And your warping words. Your saying the SAFC doesnt, and thats incorrect. It is capable of causing knock because it modifies the the air flow signal and the ecu will advance timing.

If you wanna act immaturely, we can do it off the boards. Maybe if you disagree, it is better to say, i disagree, blah blah blah. Not, take ur head outta ur ass. Or, what experience do i have with this? You dont kno anything about me, so how u gonna even answer that question? Garbage like that should earn you a warning.

And I partly agree with Jay. If the SAFC isnt in the hands of a moron, you should be a ok...and the dyno is the best, although not most cost effective, way of seeing the effects of what you've done. Easier to see numbers than oh it feels a lil faster or stronger ya know. What im trying to get at, for the 3rd time, is that piggy backs have the capability of causing bad things to happen if they arent properly used. Just because somones DOESNT, doesnt mean it CANT.

Maybe Spedtoe will now understand, what i was saying. Fooling with timing and such has the ability to cause detonation and thats pretty much the worst thing that could happen.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 12, 2004 - 8:58 AM

[SpedToe169]

My question to you is, do you know how the toyota ecu controls timing? I do. Do you know the differences between the different generations of computers? I do. The things you're saying are incorrect and misleading. People that don't know better might believe this incorrect information. I've said this before, and I'll say it again.....If you don't know what you're talking about then don't try to act like you do. You may well know more than I think you do, and thats fine, it doesn't really matter what either of us know, as long as the correct information is communicated on the board. I'm soooooo sick of having to correct and argue with N00bs because they heard somebody like you spout off about something they didn't really know about and as a result the wrong information was passed on. This hobby (cars) is so full of misinformation its not even funny. Even a lot of the people that think they know a lot are retarded (not saying you are). Look at a lot of the 'tuner' shops out there. These are people that think they know enough about this stuff to open a business and base their lives around these things they know. How many people have you heard of that have had their cars screwed up by this type of person? I've heard of a lot. So chill out, lets both get off our high horses and try to not mislead people ok?

[Supersprynt]

What has pissed me off now is that your saying "get your head outta ur ass" or "what do you know, nothing." You've now attacked me, and thats pissed me off because I didnt call you out or ne thing, i wasnt even speakign to yo, I never said nething you said was wrong. So why you gotta attack me? And if what i've said is wrong, correct me? So does the SAFC not change the signal? Does it not cause the ecu to change the timing? Can it not cause knock? I try to put things so they are easy to understand. If you screw up using the SAFC, you can lead to bigger problems. Thats ALL that im saying. I dont claim to know things that i dont. Personally, im not a fan of messing around with voltage signals to the ecu. I think the ecu shouldnt really be messed with. Thats only my opinion. Your just taking this way to far.

All im trying to get across, is that messing with the things the SAFC does has the ABILITY to cause knock. Thats all, your going to complex with something that i wasnt even talking about. Your older than i am no reason to be spouting insults.
You said it urself, poor tuning will cause knock, so you why are u arguing thats what i was talking about. Its not like you get the SAFC and you automatically get knock, no i was simply saying that it increases yoru chances of getting it if its not used properly. Therse no reason for us to be arguing here we agree, kinda.

Oh and "tuner" shops, dont go there, ne body. Stay away.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 12, 2004 - 9:50 AM

[SpedToe169]

This is the last time I'm going to post about this.

[Supersprynt]

Sorry you said "pull your head out" i added the ass part cuz well, i figured thats what you meant. And where did i say piggybacks cause detonation? I never said that at all.

The blanket statement i made was that fooling your ecu is a bad thing. Thats all.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 12, 2004 - 4:31 PM