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im debating wether to get a 96 hatchback gt or pay a little less for an mkIII supra turbo. i mean i know the supra is much faster but i love the look of the 6th gens and they r pretty rare around here, i just want to know if they are gona be able to hold there own with the common cars around here. im not talkin like vets and vipers but i mean the civics and cavaliers with all show no go. so by experience is ur celica a slow car? (stock of course) o and also, is there any mods for cheap to raise around the 150 or more hp mark without turbo-ing or swapping? thnx in advance
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Mar 22, 2004 - 7:10 PM
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well, last i heard the 99 GT has only 94whp stock.
a guy on here dynoed his car stock a lil while ago and came up with that. to answer your question, yes, they r slow. some can keep up with the civics and cavi's. I can, and all i have is a CAI, header and exhaust work. If the Celicas r rare around there, i say get one. they r fun as hell to mod and look great. -------------------- Jared Harwell
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Mar 22, 2004 - 7:12 PM
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I think 150HP is a very reachable goal for a GT. But the Supra would definately be faster. The GT has a little more HP than a civic EX (127) and about the same HP as a Cavalier (140). To answer your question yes it will keep up with those cars...but in a race among them it will be all about the driver, not the car. If it were me I'd go with the Celica... you can always mod it to suite your specific speed needs...if you go with the MKIII Supra, you'll have the speed...but there's no way you'll get the beauty of the Celica out of it. Think of it in terms of gettin da ladyz! =)
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Mar 22, 2004 - 7:19 PM
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.. Civics have an engine rated at 106 lbs-ft- thats not at the wheels. Even our STs can "keep up" with civics- and in a car that weighs 600 pounds more, as stock, I usually beat Civics with intakes and exhuasts in my stock convertible- while my intake and exhuast isn't as much of an HP gain as theirs are- now it's no contest. This post has been edited by shid: Mar 22, 2004 - 7:20 PM |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '04 From Hollywood, MD Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Its not all about hard numbers like horsepower
toyota's engines are much better than chevrolets and nto to mention honda (torqueless wonder) the GT engine has 145lb/ft torque at like 3500rpm I think thats a hell of a lot more than the civic/cavalier i believe. I mean hell my old neon had 135 HP and my friend chucky (bojangles_8686) destroyed me (we were both auto) that just goes to show that the numbers arent everything |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:36 PM
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depends what you compare the car to
compared to most entry level vehicles its pretty quick. lots of low end torque to make it lots of fun to drive on the street and the curb weight of the car makes it lots of fun to toss through turns. as far as if you really wanted to get into heavily modifying it, you are at a disadvantage. the market is pretty small, and for any big gains while keeping a reliable motor, you will have to fork out some big bucks and tear the motor apart and replace quite a bit, or you would have to swap. they are great cars all around, their performance is ample, but not going to knock your socks off. --------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '04 From Hollywood, MD Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
not to mention the beautiful interior and exterior make up for any lack of speed IMO
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:54 PM
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Hey Tim, doesn't it amuse you when people always seem to compare 6th gen's to Honda's? LOL. People talk as if Honda's are the slowest cars on the planet. Or could it be because 6th gen's are on the same class level (in terms of performance) as Civics and Integras? Oh well... 
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Mar 22, 2004 - 8:59 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
the celica was created to directly compete with the integras
which it did, except for the GS-R and Type R it actually is supposedly faster. but then ford came out with the probe, which beat the celica, and well..yea sad day 
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Mar 22, 2004 - 9:04 PM
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i second that notion... slower than most, but sexier than ANY cheap import... --------------------  |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 9:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '04 From Hermitage Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i think i made my decison and i think im goin with the mkIII. i love the celica but i want a fast car that not gona get whooped up on. thnx for the info guys.
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Mar 22, 2004 - 9:17 PM
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You shouldn't be street racing anyways 
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Mar 22, 2004 - 9:21 PM
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then mayb ill go but a big boat car haha jk.i wana go big or go home.... and goin home sucks |
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Mar 22, 2004 - 10:52 PM
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Mar 22, 2004 - 11:28 PM
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MKiii supras arent going to blow you away either, them suckers are HEAVY... the car doesnt justify the name. IMO if i was to tune a car, id much rather start at a baseline 115HP Celica ST @ 2400LBS than a 2-- HP tank like a MKiii. its easier to add hp to a car than it is to shed weight out of one and still make it fun to drive.
test drive one of each, see which one fits ya better. lol yea ray i hear ya  im sure this summer though im going to find myself just trying to stick with some S2000s and probable be neck and neck with some ITRs if any are out racin this year... wether it be strip or autox, hopefully ill have some fun and be able to do both. -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 12:28 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The Celica is a fun sporty car. It will drive better and last longer than everything mentioned in this list. The best part is that a Celica, while retaining its good looks and originality, will hold its value very well in the coming years, while others may simply fall off. Pretty much all Hondas are known for this as well, and you may very well have a better time modifying a Civic to the tops, but you certainly won't be surrounded by an excellent crowd like this while doing it. Plus, you won't be doing anything original at all. Everything has been done with a Civic. Everything. Try a new combination with a Celica. Hell, do what I'm likely to start getting into--autocrossing. The Celica is great at it, and there are plenty of good suspension modifications to help get you started. Don't worry about power, there's no need to show off to the prick revving his Civic at you at the light. Turn up your stereo, look away, and drive normal. Or do what I do.. rev at him, look at him with the "let's go" look, when the light turns green, make a left/right turn. Cracks me up everytime.
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Mar 23, 2004 - 12:38 AM
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the civic ex does not have 127hp... it has 115. And mkiii supra's will be nothing like mk4 supra's. and not to mention they are old with old crappy options, and an outdated interior. The celica interior still seems pretty new and current.
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:10 AM
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in all the cars i have test driven in the past few weeks, nothing can compair to my celica in handling and looks. i have driven 3 mk3 surpas, but all were NA's so they were pretty slow, but still faster than my car, more so when above 60mph. i want one because of the modding response drove 2 gsx's, one was an auto that was royally ****ed. the steering was really messed up also drove my friends 5spd, and it was awesome, just like my celica, only faster. then a GST spyder with intake and exhaust but in all i have driven, nothing beats the ST-T in the overall category, aside from the 02 trans am and 03 lightning, my celica was faster than cars i have test driven in the past month -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:23 AM
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Big negative partner... DX-LX= 115HP/ 110TQ Economy HX= 117/ 111TQ EX= 127HP/ 114TQ Si= 160HP/ 132TQ |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:25 AM
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i agree that mk3 supras are incredibly heavy. Even with a turbo, they arent going to accelerate all that fast (slightly slower than a fwd turbo DSM) and handling with all that weight wont be comparable to cars in its class from back then even. Watch out for beaten ones, too, if you go down that path...
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:28 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Another sad part is EX's put more to the wheels than GT's and dont dare to say otherwise or you dont know what your talkin about. Iv read so many articles from Super Street to Import Mag on hondas(mostly buy them for the killer Supras and WRX's on the cover) Hondas have killer trannies, plus they are just as reliable as Toyotas. 6gc's are cool cars but by no means fast.
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:36 AM
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:43 AM
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What do you consider fast?
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Mar 23, 2004 - 1:48 AM
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not the 5sfe. |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 2:06 AM
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I think you are very mistaken regarding this. Toyota has various smaller vehicles to compete with the Hondas especially the integra. The Levin, Trueno, Cynos and a couple of others are in the 1.6 category of the integra and the also have similar shape, size and weight. The Celica was created to compete with larger category like the Prelude and other 2,0 litre cars, well not actually because the Celicas history goes decades earlier than these cars. Then the Supras come along to compete in the 2.5 to 3.0 litre category where honda is not really in but there are other cars like the 300zx etc. After the ridiculous low power of the 6gen in the US the 7 gen was created to be smaller in size and cheaper to directly compete and gain back the market share from the integras. This time they were carefull to produce a car that would have the power and pass smog tests and not go with a low power engine in the US market merely for smog purposes. They have learned their lesson and that was looks aren't everything. You need to have a well rounded product to succeed |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 11:40 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i wasn't just guessing though
it was either Epinions or autotrader where i got that from and yes, prlude was in the market too. but for the civic, if i remember right...the corolla was to compete against that. it was mostly a price/quality thing... -------------------- |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 12:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Epinions and autotrader dont offer conclusive and reseached evidance. they are just opinions. -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 3:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '04 From Hermitage Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
91 supra' 0 - 60 : 7.1 1/4 mile : 15.6 thats quite a bit faster then the celica i believe |
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Thats a modified or a turbo supra. Stock NA Supras should only hit about 16 seconds. By the way, my friend had an 89 or 90 Supra and the engine messed up real bad only after about 3000 miles of owning it. It probably had around 130,000 miles. It seemed as though something was wrong with it considering my GT with just an intake tied him in a race... |
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Mar 23, 2004 - 10:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '04 From Hermitage Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ya thats the stock 91 turbo mkiii |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 12:06 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
streight line speed shouldnt be enough to sell you on the car... make sure you drive both.
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Mar 24, 2004 - 12:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
ouch boosted...
shot down everything i ever knew i meant the reports on the cars, not the reviews...like when u go to buy it and there's an editor that writes on it...but yea, it's His Opinions
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Mar 24, 2004 - 12:22 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
lol yupp, opinions are like @$$ holes, everyones got one. i remember watching C&D TV last month and they had Jay Leno test driving a WRX STi and an RX-8. he had nothing good to say about either car. lol, well no **** thats what you expect from an american muscle/classic car purist
alot of times toyota itself will issue a statement saying as to what class they design the car for and what cars it was most ment to compete against. -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 12:32 AM
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I'm saying otherwise, the only time I've lost to an EX is when it was turbo'd. |
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95 toyota celica GT liftback, according to car and driver, does 0-60 in 8 flat, and the quarter mile in 16.5 yes, i have to say that supra is significantly faster than a 6th gen, but in terms of any other sporty car thats semi modern... All of these numbers have also come from Car and Driver 95 acura integra GS-R 0-60 in 7 flat, and the quarter mile in 15.6 95 DSM AWD 0-60 in 6.6, quarter mile in 15.3 95 prelude VETEC 0-60 in 6.5, quarter mile in 15.1 *95 acura integra LS 0-60 in 7.5, quarter mile in 15.9* - even the basic integras are nipping the heels of the mk3 and to make matters even worse, any new family midsize with a 6 cylinder AND an auto would give the supra a run for its money. Think accord V6, Camry SE V6, Nissan Altima 3.5 SE ( 5.9 and 14.6 with a stick- fast stuff for a family car) The moral of this story- The Mk3 Supra is old technology. -------------------- Car #3: 98 Accord LX- purchased 5/06, totaled 8/06
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Just becuase a car puts more hp to the wheels doesn't mean its faster...5sfeTurbo was just saying that as a tranny comparing observation. This post has been edited by Doge: Mar 24, 2004 - 10:56 AM |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 11:12 AM
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0-60 mph-------5.9-----ST205----GT-Four
i rest my case. Thats stock too 1973 Honda Civic 19.3 1994 Honda Civic del Sol VTEC 7.4 15.8 1999 Honda Civic Si 7.2 15.7 1989 Toyota Celica All-Trac 7.5 15.6 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.1 13.6 1995 Eagle Talon TSi 6.4 15.1 1971 Ford Pinto 1600 18.0 21.1 1980 Ford Pinto (4spd) 15.8 20.8 1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9 theres some stats, straight from the books(website actually),lol |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 11:57 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the only problem GReddy, is that the GT-4 isnt sold in the states lol
on the other hand, USDM MR2 Turbo.... 0-60 in 6.1 the JDM 94-99 MR2 GTS is MUCH faster.
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Mar 24, 2004 - 12:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '04 From Hermitage Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok i see what u guys r sayin about how the mkiii is outdated/tank etc. i guess they arnt that quick. besides a 6th gen gt, do any of u know a car i could get used for kinda cheap (under 7k) that is somewhat quick? i was thinkin integra but they seem to hold their value really well
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Mar 24, 2004 - 12:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ya, integra is a good choice, and you can find em at a good price because how abundant they are. also 240SXs are good cars.
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Mar 24, 2004 - 1:08 PM
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mr2 turbo. duh
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Mar 24, 2004 - 1:11 PM
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Well your a better driver in a lesser shell and still won-good, I didnt say which was faster i said the Civic EX has more whp. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Mar 24, 2004 - 1:12 PM |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 1:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Wait your an auto...he must have been auto too or couldnt really drive.
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Mar 24, 2004 - 1:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 4, '03 From Twin Cities MN Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
7 grand could get you a first gen turbo DSM with money to spare for some upgrades, be it sound system, rims, or performance. You could even sneek up to a second gen if you waited a little bit i bet. other than that, yout just have to be paitent, you are more than likely to be able to find an integra or prelude within that budget...
-------------------- Car #3: 98 Accord LX- purchased 5/06, totaled 8/06
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Mar 24, 2004 - 2:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
5sfe, I've taken on over 23 civics, and I've lost to one turbo'd. They're slower than our GTs, ok?
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Mar 24, 2004 - 3:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thats right, mr2 turbo!!!!! its quick and cheap (same engine as GT4), and it looks good too. really, stupid emissions in the states wouldnt allow GT4 to be sold. i think thats the reason why 6gen celicas arent as popular, and hondas ending up taking the fame (civis, integras,.....). the only celicas in the states are weak and cant compare to the integras or higher version of civics. i think thats why 7gens are produced with less power to pass the emissions and compete with the hondas. well neways a cheap fast car would definately be mr2 turbo, but finding one is like a needle in a haystack. other cars are 240sx, or if ur a honda fan, get integras. but i say the best choice is mr2 turbo for cheap price. |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 5:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Drop it. For the last time i SAID they have more WHP!!! Youve beaten civics Ill send you a key chain. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Mar 24, 2004 - 5:23 PM |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 5:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You're right, I should just take your word for it against my first hand expierence, thanks for a keychain.
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Mar 24, 2004 - 5:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the GT4s were not brought here b/c of an executive decision by toyota to not water it down and bring it over b/c of the lack of sales from the 5th gen all trac. im starting to compile a list of Toyota engineers/front office members who deserve to not wake up tomorrow morning because of stupid front office and engineering decisions. lol jp.
MR2 is a great car, but theres quite a bit of upkeep, and it isnt really a daily driver depending on what climate you live in. -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Mar 24, 2004 - 5:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
??? Holy crap your dense, Because A car has more WHP like the EX does than YOUR GT that doesnt mean that, that car will always win. Shut up and keep beating civics. I never said"Liar" no you didnt. I believe you. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Mar 24, 2004 - 5:32 PM |
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