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 Mar 28, 2004 - 8:56 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Oct 13, '03 From Dandridge, Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
What would you guys choose if you had the choice between making your car faster than anything in your area, or making it the best looking car in your area?
-Brandon wasn't sure if this is general disscussion or off topic and sorry if this is a repost. --------------------  |
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If I had the money I would love to have a 3SGTE engine in my car along with making it a show stopper because then there would be more respect for the Celica. No one down here has a sleeper except for my friends Eclipse Spyder, it ripped a Supra TT 6-spd a new exhaust hole up at Gandi
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'd say as long as your car looks decent now, why not put the money into the drivetrain and make it faster. Our cars already look pretty sleek but they could sure use some help in the performance department.
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 23, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You forgot to add BOTH... cuz I would want both...
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '03 From Dandridge, Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nahhh one or the other haha man
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:24 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '03 From Kirkland, Washington Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Depends how much money you can throw down. Shop stopper if you can drop 20 K+ into it and actually STOP A SHOW with your car (and take looks away from the supras, mr2s etc) But if not i just say put the money into the engine.
Obviously i cant do either so ive made it nice enough to get some looks from people who are interested in Celicas.. -------------------- Cruisin down the street in my Infiniti...always lookin for my next trip to Sin City
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:30 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From fort smith, ar Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
personally, i would prefer a sleeper..nobody would be expecting a 6g celica to beat the sh*t outta them!!
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:31 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 6, '03 From South Central Los Angeles and Long Beach, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
If i have to pick one or the other then where do i fit in? Am i an outcast?  Happy Boosting, David |
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:32 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Seattle, Washington Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
uhhh... show stopper because the better the car looks the more hoes u pull.
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Then they find out your car is slow as crap 
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Mar 28, 2004 - 9:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '04 From Hollywood, MD Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
^ what if you allready have a steady supply of sex?
 Id go with sleeper, personally, all I really want to do to my outside if stock side skirts and 96+ bumper with stock fogs and a 1 inch drop. Rims if I have excess cash.. I think the stock look is really hot for our cars
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Mar 28, 2004 - 10:13 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
show stopper for sure... people dont care a whole lot if your car is fast these days
-------------------- i am awesome
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Mar 28, 2004 - 10:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 6, '02 From maine, usa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It's easier to make a 6g Celica a show stopper. There aren't a boat load of readily available quality aftermarket parts, everything has to be custom unless you go the engine swap route.
That said, having a fast 6g Celica is that much cooler; I'd rather have a sleeper. |
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Mar 28, 2004 - 10:35 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
And where would I fit in also? |
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Mar 28, 2004 - 11:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I'm going for show over go, but looks like i'm going to get me a turbo setup pretty soon, can't have my friend 300ZX smoking me.
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Mar 28, 2004 - 11:13 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well for me right now it would have to be SLEEPER... because if i make a SHOW STOPPER i would be way to worried about parking it in the street.. can't drive it that much cause rocks and stuff on the road, will chip the paint.. there are always haters out there that can just trash your car cause they can't have it. pluse a sleeper is so much more fun to drive..
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Mar 29, 2004 - 12:11 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
in the "most of us have no idea what your car looks like right now" catagory -------------------- i am awesome
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Mar 29, 2004 - 12:41 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I'd say sleeper. Celicas look nice stock, don't you want to back that up?
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Mar 29, 2004 - 12:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Oh... I thought I was in the "check the SoCal Meet Pics thread" category?? Now I'm really confused.  This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 29, 2004 - 12:18 PM |
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Mar 29, 2004 - 10:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
woops:
Forbidden You don't have permission to access /celica/gallery2004/lameet0320 on this server. -------------------- i am awesome
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Mar 30, 2004 - 4:31 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 6, '03 From South Central Los Angeles and Long Beach, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Hope you dont mind Ray, but I'm going to post 1 pic here. PM me if you want me to take it off.  He pretty much has a 90% GT4 replica except for the AWD part.  And mine is in my sig. But Im guessing you were only talking about Kuya's car. Happy Boosting, David |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 4:45 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Scroll down to my post and click on my contribution... better yet... how about I just post the link to make things easier on everyone... HERE!! http://www.technoscribble.net/gallery/ HERE!! |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 6:41 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thats a pretty major part lol! does he have the superstrut suspension and the figure 8 linkages? it would be interesting to find info about a swap on those -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10 |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 7:10 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I have those parts, but didn't swap them. I was told by Richard Doig in New Zealand, that the Super Strut suspension tends to have problems. Hence, which is why they went back to the original McPherson strut setup. Because of this, I decided not to go with the SS suspension. Here's a quote of what he told me:
Even though the AWD tranny is what makes a GT-FOUR, I still don't (and never will) consider my car a GT-FOUR. However, to me, it's my GT-FOUR Hybrid... because it's one of the closest that you'll get (so far here in the states... until Qatar finishes his, and a couple completes the registration of their ST205's). IF I do convert to AWD... it's not gonna be for a while... Either way... my FF setup may not get the "off-the-line jump", but it is still freakin fast and won't drag in the top end like the AWD setup. This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 30, 2004 - 7:17 AM |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 7:58 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah the figure 8 joints do wear out quite quickly(after about 50,000 miles) thats one of the main probs with these cars, but definitely improves the handling
as far as your car goes ull get far less transmission power loss than a gt4 does so u can put far morepower to the ground! up to 60 the 4wd cars have an advantage but after that the power starts to drop off! ive always had respect 4 the way that people uprate their cars SERIOUSLY by engine swaps etc, because it scares the crap out of people who think their cars are fast when a sleeper goes and destroys them! respect is due definitely to you and others that have gone through major effort(1.5 yrs!) to sort out ur car! -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10 |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 12:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thank you uzthedentist. It would definitely be nice if us Yankees would get more than just watered-down versions of these Japanese cars. I envy you people over the waters for having the opportunity of owning a nice piece of machinery. If it were even an option, I could have saved myself 1.5 years agonizing over when my car would have been finished. I'm just happy I got her back and quite content with how she drives now. So do you post at gt4oc, as well? I haven't been there for a while. |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 12:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes i am one of the regular post whores on there lol
its a bit strange but your emissions laws are a bit ridiculous. how can an evo/gt4 not pass emissions laws but an 8 litre dodge viper pass it? or is there something else behind it? -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10 |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 2:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The JDM motors won't pass (visually) because they lack the EGR system. But in most cases, the motors will pass the sniffer. Sometimes, they'll run a little rich... but I think it depends if one has a OBD2 cat installed. |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 3:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what does the egr system look like? could you get an something manufactured and make it look like it has an egr system and take it off safter the exam?
-------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10 |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 3:50 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '02 From Blairstown, New Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Sleeper.
I just want a really great clean engine in my Celica, racing seats, short shifter and a sick interior, and a nice clean paintjob with lightweight wheels. A very clean car to me is enough of a show-stopper. -------------------- 3rd gen ST205 3SGTE - Alive and boosting. |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 4:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Here's a picture of an MR2 EGR Valve: 
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Mar 30, 2004 - 4:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I think the EGR system is only a requirement for California. Cali just has some strict emission laws...
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Mar 30, 2004 - 4:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh dear, no way of copying that!
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spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10 |
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Mar 30, 2004 - 7:30 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
uzthedentist, Its not to emissions that stop the importation of cars... its the data.
Since the car or engine isn't made in the u.s., the gov says that you have to provide crash test data along with road test and emissions. So, if you want... Import a GT4. All you'll have to do is crash it, rebuild, run it to 100k miles, record data, and slap 10k in performance restrictions on it and there ya go. Its that easy, god bless America and their liberal a.ss politicians. You can import cars already in the us, but theres really no point to pay soooo much for a RHD vehicle. The only company I've seen to import a non-native u.s. car is MOTOrex in Cali. Gotta love the 100k Skylines. If you want to read more about it and import a car go to www.j-garage.com. |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 7:19 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thanks for the info. Now i understand, these regulations have been placed in order to make it easier for american car companies to sell their cars and more difficult for foreign companies to sell theirs. this is quite similar to other forms of american business.
thanks for the info about importing a car but i dont need to import one as i already have a gt4 -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
spec list: http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10 |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 11:24 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Let me know when u sell ur car Kuya
This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: Apr 1, 2004 - 11:24 AM -------------------- Note to new members. Discussions such as the ones below are forbidden.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26310&hl= |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 12:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
*shakes head in disgust* This is a perfect example of why some people should not build cars.... its sad that some people have to use material worth to attact attention from the opposite sex... when I'm single I purposly will drive a girl around in a POS for a while just to see what she does.. if she don't like it then too bad cuz thats not the type of girl I wanna associate with. but then agian I have never really had a problem getting girls if I want em *back to topic* As for a sleeper vs a show stopper.. to a certian degree I dont see how you can do one with out the other... for a full performance car you will need to do some body modifications.. granted they dont have to be the greatest looking but if your gonna lighten the car and change aerodynamics to increase performance then you might as well make it look good instead of doing poor looking aerodynamics... if you build a show stopper and don't do motor work then whats the point... to me that kinda like a guy dressin in drag.. its false advertising. but when you boil it down.. its your car and to each there own so do what appeals to you man
This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Apr 1, 2004 - 12:05 PM --------------------  99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 12:37 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I had my current GF rolling in my 87 Lincoln Mark VII LSC. Black car, leather interior, no A/C, Limo Tint, during summer, and some busted windows........we hooked up and then i purchased my celi. Good to know she's not a gold digger. |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 12:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thats exactly what Im talkin about.. my 1st car was a beat up caddy that had the heater core go out 2 years in a row during winter... LOL I had to drive around with the windows rolled down in the middle of winter otherwise you would be able to taste antifreeze on you lips... and I still got girls .... I miss those days
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Apr 1, 2004 - 12:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It was last year for me, lol.
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Apr 1, 2004 - 1:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 8, '03 From San Jose, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I vote both.
drop in a 3sgte and do up the exterior/interior as well. Don't go crazy in either department and you'll have a nice looking, FAST car. - aba |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 1:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Not gonna happen... it's gonna run down the family line... LOL |
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Apr 1, 2004 - 1:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That's how I feel. I follow the principle of K.I.S.S.
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