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my friend has a mitsu eclipse gsx and he wants too race me for 100 bucks his car is slightly moddedwith sr intake stage 2 clutch and headers he rollin 19s with extra wide tires. we rode in his car and it didnt feel any more powerful than mine. oh and by the way were racing to 120. so whattaya think go for it or pull back
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:15 PM
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hmm.... awd hes got you hard on the launch. but then again im expecting nasty wheelhop with those 19's.
you should pull on him pretty hard then. he would kill you off the launch but i know that those 19's are gonna kill him. |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:16 PM
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nah, do it for fun, dont waste any money
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
he will take you! they are around 200hp stock..he will win
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:21 PM
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take his ass to the auto x track with the 19s he has hell be slow in and out of the corners and the GSX is a heavy bitch. your advantage will be the celicas wieght and low end torque if you take it to the auto x track:)
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 9, '03 From Utah Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes. I belive they are 210 hp stock
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 9, '03 From Utah Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I dunno your car but if you are running on a stock engine he's gonna waste you.
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 9, '03 From Utah Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
red sun is right tho celicas are very good as far as suspension/handling on turns and the low end torque you could probably take him in the autox, but depends on the drivers too
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Apr 5, 2004 - 7:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
his car is only a 98 they didnt have that much horse power back then did they
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Apr 5, 2004 - 8:13 PM
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Yes they did. Back in HS, my friend had a 95 GSX, and guess who won when we both raced? Of course he did. I got my a$$ handed to me. GSX > ST ... BIGTIME! |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 8:14 PM
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It's possible that he was going easy to set you up, so he could walk away with the bill. |
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Ya for sure, Im sorry but you guys gotta stop kidding yourselves, a 100hp st isnt going to beat anything!! I really doubt its suspension is any more tuned then other cars in its class and against a car with twice the power and AWD your just dreaming. He could start off in 3rd and still hand you your ass, sorry  Also 19s will increase top speed so once hes got momentum he'll hand you your ass again. |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 8:33 PM
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Apr 5, 2004 - 8:49 PM
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Yeah, this is just an invitation for pawnage. Against a 02 Eclipse GS convertible with intake/exhuast I managed even until around 65 mph... Then it spanked me.
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Apr 5, 2004 - 9:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok wait a minute where is the turbo on those cars he said it was somewhere hidden underneath the engine. he might be lying about this his emblems are shaved off so i really dont know what im going against it could be a baseline eclipse and i know i can beat them ive done it before
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Apr 5, 2004 - 9:23 PM
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Ya I dont think its in plain site, just like the MR2, its hidden, but the piping makes it pretty obvious |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 9:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You've beaten a baseline eclipse in an ST...?
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Apr 5, 2004 - 9:41 PM
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i thought the turbos were up top, thats why the hoods had the bulge in them, was room for the turbos?
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:07 PM
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I don't think that's true. Bigger and heavier wheels will actually slow you down. |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:11 PM
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Wait you have an ST and u wanna race a GSX...and we're debating this?
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:13 PM
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Its hidden because the engine is "backwards." In the Celicas, WHAM right in front of u. -------------------- |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
then how can i tell
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
then how can i tell i mean i didnt see any unusual piping on his enginei know its a 2.0 but thats all i can tell (dont know eclipses very well)
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The turbo should be on the passenger side connected to the turbo manifold. Basically, if you're looking at the heatshield straight up, it'll be on the left side. The turbo manifold is what people will often call the turbo header. Here's a pic of my car. His should be on the opposite side under a hose or something: 
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You sure about that? I don't think they are... This post has been edited by kuya1284: Apr 5, 2004 - 10:28 PM |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
I thought the MR2's had the engine just flipped around. So that it would be in the back left corner.
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok then hes lying he said it ws underneath the intake manifold he said u had to get underneath the car just to get a peek at it
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
OH NM!! You're talking about an MR2... lol. Ok, if you're standing behind an MR2, yes, the motor will appear backwards. I thought we were talking about the GSX. My bad. |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
 Ok, yeah no MR2...you got me all second guessing myself. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Apr 5, 2004 - 10:31 PM -------------------- |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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if you want to get your ass handed to you, race him.
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well, check to make sure, cause you don't wanna get hustled. And a GS can take an ST as well. An RS might be good competition for you. I raced another friend who had a GS and SHE beat me. We used to go to the tracks together. But if you're rolling on 14's and your friend is on heavy 19's, you MAY have a chance... if it is in fact a GS. |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From fort smith, ar Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i thought that the RS and GS were the same thing except the GS had power everything and a sunroof
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ive heard that before too. top end bigger wheels can help.... i dunno the sense behind it tho |
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My bad again. I'm pretty sure you're right on this one. Geez... I'm losing my touch with cars... LOL!! |
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Apr 5, 2004 - 10:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Bigger wheels cover more ground while gears are moving slower than usual...more room to move up.
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If they are heavier it will take more energy to get a 19" rim to a certain speed as opposed to a 17" rim, but per rotation your covering more ground with a 19" rim assuming the total diameter including the rubber is larger. So a gsx with 19"s will come out faster in each gear compared to a gsx with say 16"s, but obviously the car with the smaller rims will accelerate quicker. |
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Apr 6, 2004 - 12:25 AM
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Not to check if he has turbo, but to see if it's really a gsx...you could have him do a burnout and see if all 4 wheels are burning up?
And couldn't u hear when he was driving if the turbo was spooling or not? And I've taken a few 1st gen eclipse gst's in my celi...and hand any dsm their ass in my rex. This post has been edited by snadman: Apr 6, 2004 - 12:26 AM -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
So by your example of the two GSX's, in a long distance run, where the two cars reach top speeds, the GSX with the 19" wheels would benefit more? But if it were a short distance run (i.e. 1/4 mile) the GSX with the 16" wheels would win, correct? The reason why I'm asking is because when I used to hit the tracks, I would run 16.6 to 16.7 on the 1/4 mile (16.545 was my fastest). However, once I got the new wheels, I started running 16.9 to 17.2. |
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Apr 6, 2004 - 12:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 26, '02 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
when will people get the fact that our celica is simply slow?
I keep on seeing thread after thread about people wanting to race cars that are a lot faster than ours excluding the 3sgte gt4 people. What's next? Some guy is going to challenge a viper? 
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Apr 6, 2004 - 12:39 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 26, '02 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I raced a friend of mine who drives a gst w/ 18s and lost. yeah, i already knew the outcome, but I was bored and just wanted to see if his car was really a gst because I heard rumors that it was an rs. well looks like you wasted $100
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Apr 6, 2004 - 2:23 AM
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Just plain and simple. USDM celis are slow and any racing is pointless. Mitsus are generally faster engines (although all other things are crap)
Just race him for the fun of it. The only good thing i know about mitsus are their Turbo. It is supposed to be very well made. As i understand, Saab uses Garrett turbos for some of their cars but a Mitsu Turbo for their latest 9.3 Aero. |
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Apr 6, 2004 - 8:19 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 23, '03 From ky Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Wanna know if it's a gsx, easiest way. . .get behind him in traffic. Unless he is dropped over 1.5 inches you'll see the back axle sticking down, it'll be silver while everything else is black. Not hard to tell a gsx from just the stance, they look wider in the rear than a gs or gs-t.
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Apr 6, 2004 - 8:22 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
98 GSX motor ]]
  Turbo is in the front by the radiator..Remember, its a 4cyl so there is only one exhuast manifold in the front just like the celicas. The turbo is spooled off the manifold. This post has been edited by bufferdan: Apr 6, 2004 - 8:25 AM -------------------- |
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Apr 6, 2004 - 11:41 AM
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Yeah... it irritates me as well, but there's nothing I can really do but try to educate. |
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Apr 6, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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It's exactly where I said it would be. =) |
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Exactly! |
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Apr 7, 2004 - 8:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ok well anyway yesterday i was looking at his engine it turns out there was no turbo he was lying (*also about the headers he had) so i ok'd the challenge we went to my local track and ran three times i got him 2-1 and won the 100 bucks so all u nay sayers an=bout the st bein slower than the whatever the name of the that car was i got 100 bucks sain all beat cha
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Apr 7, 2004 - 8:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The ST is slower, he just doesn't know how to race and 19" wheels didn't help him either. But congrats on the win! 100 bucks can go a long way.
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Apr 7, 2004 - 8:53 PM
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lol.
Its easy to beat any N/A eclipse with a Celica. Those cars are SLOOOOOOW. I'd beaten a few Eclipses in my school with my ST and most of these people just dont know how to drive, but Eclipse's (except for GST/GSX) are just plain slow and have no acceleration. RS/GS = Cheap Options/All Power Options Same engine 2.0, a whole .2 more than your Celica's 1.8. |
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Apr 7, 2004 - 8:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh look its honda boy l shut up and go play with ure go cart ill smoke ure go cart any day of the week, **** it ill give ya 6 months to make that pos quick then we'll go thanks kuya
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Apr 7, 2004 - 9:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh and why are u still here dont u have 4 billion other friends to go talk to since ure a SELLOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Apr 7, 2004 - 9:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
snake, I wasn't happy when phat boi went with the del sol- but please restrain yourself. There is no need for personal insults like that, it only makes you look bad- not him. He's still here isn't he? That means he likes our cars.
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Apr 7, 2004 - 9:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey ks, since you live in Brooksville maybe we should meet up sometime? I live about 45 minutes away and we could meet up and head to the track and race our cars there. Of course not right now, at least after I get in a few mods to the engine and suspension but it would be a good idea, and we could work out our differences on both the cars and see how performance wise how good each car is. It'd be fun, and you could stop with the negative comments in the forums.
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yes, that really is uncalled for. Who cares if he got a Honda. Honda's are not bad cars. What makes a car bad is the driver... not the car. Phat Boi is a cool guy... so there really is no need for the animosity. |
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Apr 8, 2004 - 7:36 PM
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phat_boi forget that guy
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Apr 8, 2004 - 7:54 PM
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i don't know that our celi's are all that slow,
i have a 96' st, intake and exhaust on 15" rims (oh yea baby) and i've beat'n a 7th gen with the factory bodykit and what not, and then i've beat'n a ass load of civics, today i kept up with a turbo hatch civic, and hand full of other random cars with more stock HP than our cars, eclipse's i've beatn (the N/A that is), focus i've beat (except for the new svt focus i got killed by like 4 cars) and so our cars arn't all that slow it just takes a lil more to get them goin >
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Apr 8, 2004 - 9:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '04 From Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
"And a GS can take an ST as well. An RS might be good competition for you."
The gs and the rs both have the same engine on 95+ eclipse. You will be able to beat a non turbo eclipse with your celica if it had the 5sfe. with the 7afe you might start side by side. I race a RS for kicks a friend of my cusins. I was driving my ae92 corolla GT-S rated at 115 hp at 6600 rpm could rev to 8000 rpm and 105 ft/lb of tq at 6000 rpm regardless I was able beat him in the launch then he went in front of me about 1 car length then i started cacthing up again. This was up hill. my gt-s wiegths about the 20lb less then a 6th gen st celica. BUt with the 5sfe im sure you cad hand it to him. Besides he let me drive the thing and its not that fast. My gt-s spun more tire than that thing on 1st gear dropping the cluth. any ways if its a RS or GS and you got the GT you more likely than not have a chance if its the GS-T or GS-X then hope you got the all trac celica. |
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Apr 8, 2004 - 10:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
.not mine
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i swear half of u people should just sell ure cars all u do is talk about how slow our cars are i personally do not think my car is slow at all it goes neck and neck with my dads solara v-6 my boys 95 maxima and my other friends cts now these cars arent super fast but they run east 15.7s, so whats the problem here? have some pride dog........
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Apr 8, 2004 - 10:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
not mine either
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Apr 8, 2004 - 10:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ohhh o.k. I thought 90whp was slow nevermind.
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Apr 8, 2004 - 11:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you scrolled down a couple more posts, you would have noticed that I already agreed that the GS and RS are equivalent in terms of their motors. |
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Apr 8, 2004 - 11:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Out of curiosity, what's your fastest 1/4 mile time? |
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Apr 8, 2004 - 11:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
And yours? |
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Apr 9, 2004 - 12:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ks, you can stay with a Cadillac CTS? I find that hard to believe, 255HP 3.6L V6 will own your 105HP 1.8L 4cyl very easily. Your dad must drive slow too 3.3-liter DOHC 24-valve VVT-i V6 225 hp @ 5,600 rpm 240 lb.-ft. @ 3,600 rpm would kill the Celi easily too. What's your point about coming on here and talking garbage when half the stuff you say is lies?
Grow up kid, your car ain't fast, it will never be fast, even my car isn't fast, not without an engine swap or a Turbo. Stop making up stories trying to get points with people know how Celica's really drive. This post has been edited by Phat_Boi: Apr 9, 2004 - 12:09 AM |
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And even with the more common swap (2nd gen 3s) or the turbo route, our cars will still be only moderately fast as compared to many newer cars and most fast older cars (Ie Supra, 300AZTT, and even the low budget king of kings, the 240SX with the SR swap) Get over it. i was owned on the interstate the other day by an old OLD maxima. I was alone in my car and the two guys in the maxima flew past... and slowed down to laugh. be happy that your car looks good, but it is not fast. It will however outhandle most cars you will find on the road. I've never ridden in a car that would out-handle mine, and I have been in many a car.Jon |
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KuruptedSnake
Im just read over the crap spewin out of your mouth previously. Seriously why dont you packup your 91 whp ST and get the hell out of here. You have the worst damn attitude out of anyone I've ever seen on here. Phat Boi is pretty cool and his "sell-out" Del-Sol will show how it feels to get a prostate exam. Your not cool cause you "think" you beat a GS, RS whatever the hell it was I dont care. We can all read a BullSh!t meter pretty well when it comes to racing other cars. Stop being a typical teenager and show some class for christ sakes. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Apr 9, 2004 - 12:45 AM |
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It's called... *cough* fly-by *cough*  |
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