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Last night I was at the red light beside a new Honda Pilot. I didnt quite know wheather or not he was going to race me, it was some kid so I figured there would be a chance. Light turns green and he guns it. I drop the clutch, tired chirp and I'm off about .5 second after he guns it. I'm going through the gears, and he is pulling away from me. The gas pedal is on the floor, and yet he still pulls away from me. Can anyone tell me what the hell is going on here?
BTW before you flame, I race SOLO 2 so don't "flame" my driving ability. I'm not the best but I do shift very quickly, I'm taking the car to the track in the summer and I'll let you guys know how fast I do the 1/4 in. Is the 5s-fe really that frigging slow? Or do you guys think the Pilot was modded? I've only got a CAI and I was running 91 pump octane on a full tank when this happened. 
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Apr 8, 2004 - 2:14 PM
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people when will ya'll lean a car ment to carry a heavy load.. is quick and fast when its isn't carrying a heavy load..
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Apr 8, 2004 - 2:24 PM
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yes, most SUV's are quite fast when they arent hauling ****
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Don't trip, at least you didn't lose to a Honda EV like I did when I still had my 7A. LOL... that was really embarassing. |
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I kick the crap outta Focus ZX2s and Civics (except SIs) in the Rodeo, not much to brag about but its funny. Whats funnier is that i have a cone filer on it.
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Supersprynt i told you man its cuz you got a TRD and Type-R sticker in your window, both of them together give you +13 hp, (8 for the TRD sticker, and 5 for the Type-R sticker). =) |
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Apr 8, 2004 - 3:10 PM
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hhaha., thanks for makin' me feel better guys
 I was scared for a bit thought it was jsut my car or something.. It's good to hear I'm not the only one! haha 
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Apr 8, 2004 - 3:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
nah i dont have a TRD sticker on the Isuzi, i just have 4 NAWWZ stickers on !
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Apr 8, 2004 - 3:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 9, '03 From Dayton, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Shoot..i take corvettes with my ST.. I must be a good driver.
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Apr 8, 2004 - 7:56 PM
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haha i've beat'n a pilot but then agian it was my friend tiffy that i was racing so it was a girl lol ( no offense to any of you girls out there)
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Apr 9, 2004 - 12:04 AM
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I have a friend that runs low 13's in his ZX3. He owns a Focus customizing business thing... or something. All I know is it's flaiming fast. |
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Apr 9, 2004 - 12:47 AM
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Dont worry about bro, just enoy the ride.
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Apr 9, 2004 - 3:20 AM
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Yeah no such thing a Focus ZX2 I don't think...they have a ZX3...and the they have Escort or Taurus ZX2.
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Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Apr 9, 2004 - 8:04 AM
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Ok so its a ZX3, sheesh.
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Apr 9, 2004 - 12:24 PM
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i had a 7th gen gts (manual) at my rear bumber all through 1st and 2nd.... but once i hit third he gained one me
the fact that there was aparked car comming up in my lane didnt help either.... i had to slam on my brakes! he was revving hard too.... he gave me the thumbs up when we met up at another light 6th gens own 7th gens off the line.... but other then that.... meh need some nos to keep pulling through 3rd |
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I usually give people head starts. I wonder if all those people that try racing me think they had me off the line... 
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That's you kuya, you have a secret underneath your hood 
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I was trying to imply something... 
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:33 PM
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I raced my friends Golf R32, needless to say I lost, lol.
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Mar 16, 2005 - 12:38 PM
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wow, how did you pull this up from almost a year ago?
well sence its up.. I have raced an explorer v6 92-95 style, and stuck right next to it, i could see the two kids int he explorer laughing with me.. But my moms old van and my pops truck would spank most celicas.. |
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only thing ive been able to beat was a honda prelude...one of the early 90's...and that was because we were already going over 55....7a's are so sloww....its frustrating.....
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i got my ass whopped by a lincoln town car when i was still driving my ST lol... then, the 2 times that i got whopped so bad that i will nvr forget is the Audi S4 and the older version BMW M3......
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Mar 16, 2005 - 5:25 PM
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if it makes you feel any better most of the people on this site would have lost.
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Mar 16, 2005 - 5:38 PM
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yea. but i whopped A4 1.8t ass lol... probably i was lucky lol
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Mar 16, 2005 - 5:45 PM
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i raced a friends rsx-s and a acura integra (friend of mine, dont really know the year or model) but i barely lost against the rsx-s and won against the teg. fun stuff? dunno they were both newbies on the manual tho (he only owned the rsx 3 months or so)
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Mar 16, 2005 - 5:45 PM
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he...celica is not very fast ..specially when it gets to third gear ive noticed lol
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Mar 16, 2005 - 6:13 PM
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I own a 52 HP festiva, so my 95 celica gt feels like a rocket! But I have lost pretty much every race I had. Its so bad, i just roll down my window and say dont bother-u won. I bought my celica for reliability #1. Everything else is extra..So no complaints from me..
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Mar 16, 2005 - 6:21 PM
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i won most of my races... unless it's against those cars like teg type r, r32 etc etc... but i've always had a dream. i'll win a EVO and STI with my celi... with skills... not power.
.... oh btw since we're in this topic.... a 360 modena... yes.. you heard right.. a ferrari tried to race me on the BQE highway.... dude was flashing high beams and s*** tail gating me and cutting to watever lanes i cut to... i wonder what would've happen if i really raced him.... 
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Mar 16, 2005 - 10:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
damn you lost?
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Mar 16, 2005 - 11:15 PM
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heh, our cars must 'look fast' huh? I probably woulda given him a go just to hear that sweet italian v8
QUOTE(shin @ Mar 16, 2005 - 7:21 PM) i won most of my races... unless it's against those cars like teg type r, r32 etc etc... but i've always had a dream. i'll win a EVO and STI with my celi... with skills... not power.
.... oh btw since we're in this topic.... a 360 modena... yes.. you heard right.. a ferrari tried to race me on the BQE highway.... dude was flashing high beams and s*** tail gating me and cutting to watever lanes i cut to... i wonder what would've happen if i really raced him.... [right][snapback]258132[/snapback][/right] |
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Mar 16, 2005 - 11:23 PM
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Time to start with the mods. I hate my car for it's speed though. I keep working with it, maybe one day it'll not suck horably.
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Mar 16, 2005 - 11:55 PM
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wow another one resurrected. kuya even posted in this one!! i miss ray
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Mar 17, 2005 - 6:20 PM
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you may have lost to a pilot, but I bet the celica looked better losing then the pilot looked winning.
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Mar 17, 2005 - 6:38 PM
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If people saw the race they would have thought you let the poor kid win.
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Mar 17, 2005 - 6:40 PM
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QUOTE(Mike @ Apr 8, 2004 - 2:03 PM) Last night I was at the red light beside a new Honda Pilot. I didnt quite know wheather or not he was going to race me, it was some kid so I figured there would be a chance. Light turns green and he guns it. I drop the clutch, tired chirp and I'm off about .5 second after he guns it. I'm going through the gears, and he is pulling away from me. The gas pedal is on the floor, and yet he still pulls away from me. Can anyone tell me what the hell is going on here? BTW before you flame, I race SOLO 2 so don't "flame" my driving ability. I'm not the best but I do shift very quickly, I'm taking the car to the track in the summer and I'll let you guys know how fast I do the 1/4 in. Is the 5s-fe really that frigging slow? Or do you guys think the Pilot was modded? I've only got a CAI and I was running 91 pump octane on a full tank when this happened. [right][snapback]114213[/snapback][/right] It is pretty funny.....thats why you dont race stuff if you dont have a 15 sec or faster car....you do know Toyota has a minivan that will smoke us |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 7:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
NAWWZ stickers are the shiz.
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Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Mar 17, 2005 - 7:57 PM
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i beat my friends 96 eclipse GS but got smoked by my friends 92 maxima.... its a 6 banger damn it!
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Mar 18, 2005 - 4:36 AM
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QUOTE(qban537 @ Mar 16, 2005 - 11:45 PM) he...celica is not very fast ..specially when it gets to third gear ive noticed lol [right][snapback]258109[/snapback][/right] its depends how celica yoy have... and if you are a good driver..
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Mar 18, 2005 - 11:16 AM
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my celi is faster some times than other times. i think it has to do with the air temp and moisture outside. Its picky about that. Turbochrged, I won a new S2000, mustang gt & integra but got beat by a 2000prelude and a chevy truck going uphill & minivan . It just depends with my car, sometimes its faster. If its not the air as a factor then im clueless as to why the difference.
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Mar 18, 2005 - 11:27 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
let us do a favor to our community....
Let the guys w/ the turbos run for us then everyone will think our cars are pretty fast |
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Mar 18, 2005 - 11:42 AM
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I raced my friends V6 Probe with more mods than me, and i won. He was auto and i have 5 speed. I beat an LS integra real bad and a Civic EX as well. But i barely beat an Explorer once and got RIPPPPPED apart by a Camaro V8. And that sums up my racing days. Everyday i get in my car i wish i had a GT-4 though!!!
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Mar 18, 2005 - 12:10 PM
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Some of us don't have this problem
Took part in a rally last year on some closed roads and had fun humiliating a GT3 RS, Skyline, RS500 Cosworth, and a few others. As soon as my mate get's his butt into gear (has the necessary software), I'll be able too upload some in-car footage to my website. Gary --------------------  1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine 1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come.... GT-Four spec list |
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QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Mar 18, 2005 - 12:10 PM) Some of us don't have this problem Took part in a rally last year on some closed roads and had fun humiliating a GT3 RS, Skyline, RS500 Cosworth, and a few others. As soon as my mate get's his butt into gear (has the necessary software), I'll be able too upload some in-car footage to my website. Gary [right][snapback]259027[/snapback][/right] k. that justs makes me want a GT4 even more.. -------------------- |
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Mar 18, 2005 - 12:31 PM
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wow... really? i didnt know that about the compression. I always put like 93 oct. in mine i have a 7a. I work like 30 miles away and ive compaered 93 and 87, 87 burns too quick, i get better mileage with the 93...maybe i shoudl try it again...after i get some seamist or whatever that stuff is that you put in your car to break down carbon deponsits.
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Mar 18, 2005 - 12:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 1, '05 From Charlotte NC Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
And by the way shin... YOURE A MANIAC for racing anyone on the bqe...im originally from south ozone park...its a pothole deathtrap on some parts of the BQE...lol
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Mar 18, 2005 - 1:18 PM
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lol.. i know easternpiro1 .... but i manage to avoid most of them... i'm pretty familiar with all the pot holes cause i take the bqe everyday to work..
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I was putting 93 in my 7AFTE. Your saying it would run better with 87? I thought that since I had more air inside I would need better burning fuel. I use 89 on my reg 7a now.
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QUOTE(ArizonaRed @ Mar 18, 2005 - 8:58 PM) I was putting 93 in my 7AFTE. Your saying it would run better with 87? I thought that since I had more air inside I would need better burning fuel. I use 89 on my reg 7a now. [right][snapback]259167[/snapback][/right] He said higher octane is only better for engines that generate a lot of combustion heat, meaning forced induction engines and high compression engines. Higher octane fuels aren't neccesarily better burning, they're more resistant to heat and reduce pre-detonation... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Mar 21, 2005 - 8:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 14, '05 From san jose, california Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
the 5sfe is pretty high compression though isn't it? It has a 9:5:1 compression ratio. And considering you can only boost at 8 psi on the 5sfe because it's already has such high compression.
correct me if i'm wrong =\ This post has been edited by thaimiishoe: Mar 21, 2005 - 9:12 PM --------------------  2000 Celica GT-S 6spd QUAIFE//TRD//AEM//FIDANZA//BEATRUSH//TRIAL//WINGSWEST//ALL JL AUDIO |
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Mar 22, 2005 - 12:34 AM
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in case anybody is wondering both the 5sfe and 7afe have a 9.5:1 ratio
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QUOTE(thaimiishoe @ Mar 22, 2005 - 1:57 AM) the 5sfe is pretty high compression though isn't it? It has a 9:5:1 compression ratio. And considering you can only boost at 8 psi on the 5sfe because it's already has such high compression. correct me if i'm wrong =\ [right][snapback]260428[/snapback][/right] That doesn't generally rate as high compression. I'd only call 10:5 and more "high compression"... but it also depends on the engine. Even 10:0 and 10:3 compression engines can run relatively OK on 87-89 octane... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Mar 22, 2005 - 3:57 AM
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regardless of that noise, the owners manual says itself that for 5SFE engines, if you want increased performance, run premium fuel... personally I feel increased SMOOTHNESS, but other than that
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QUOTE(bufferdan @ Apr 8, 2004 - 8:13 PM) That honda pilot has 240hp. [right][snapback]114228[/snapback][/right] umm...no that would be the s2k the pilot has a larger engine...but only makes 162 hp and 160 lb ft whoever said you barely lost to an RSX-s...your friend sucks ass at driving 220 hp and 160 lb ft...and Im not sure on this, but I believe the RSX is as light (if not lighter) than your celica... This post has been edited by tsiah: Mar 23, 2005 - 3:59 AM |
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My friends crx got raped by a sienna.
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Mar 23, 2005 - 12:09 PM
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i guess i dont have that bad of luck with my car... iv taken a V6 prob no problem. also a new celica GT, Z24(or what ever the number) cavaler(auto), and i have raced a RSX-s i lost but honestly barely... other then that every other car on the roads beat me haha, j/k... no doub though the 5's need a bit more power
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I made sweet sweet love to my car after it my cousin's evo and then again when a smashed on this turbo R32 Skyline
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Mar 30, 2005 - 7:32 PM
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QUOTE(nitemare @ Mar 16, 2005 - 11:13 PM) I own a 52 HP festiva, so my 95 celica gt feels like a rocket! But I have lost pretty much every race I had. Its so bad, i just roll down my window and say dont bother-u won. I bought my celica for reliability #1. Everything else is extra..So no complaints from me.. [right][snapback]258127[/snapback][/right] you forgot to mention the look also
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