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Do we, as in GT owners, manual's of course, have a chance against the Ford Probe GT and the 92+ predlude vtec 2.2? Any body with experience?
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Apr 29, 2004 - 6:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '03 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
prelude we don't have a chance stock. Probe, i'm not sure
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Apr 29, 2004 - 6:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Is it because we have the same sized engine, and they have the variable valve timing? I'm guessing that's correct.
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Apr 29, 2004 - 6:51 PM
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That's part of it. The H22 has higher compression, DOHC VTEC, and is a performance motor. 
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Apr 29, 2004 - 7:15 PM
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probe gt has turbo.
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Apr 29, 2004 - 7:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '03 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
No it doesn't. |
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Apr 29, 2004 - 7:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
HAHAHAHA  I havn't heard that one before.
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Apr 29, 2004 - 8:04 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 3, '03 From Omaha, Ne Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You should walk the 92 Probe. I think that those ones only have around 145hp witch is not very much for the weight of those, they are heavy. And with the Prelude, my ex girlfriend has one, and when my buddy raced me in hers (he used to have one) he beat me by about a car length. Keep in mind that hers was completely stock and I had intake, exhaust, clutch. She also has a 5spd so I don't know if the prelude that your talking about is an auto. If it is if will be very close.
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Apr 29, 2004 - 8:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I wasn't talking specific, just very curious because i read a review someone made on a 95 celica gt. Saying that we have a lot less power than a probe gt and vtec prelude. what a lot of people just don't understand is we have 4:11 FINAL GEARS. I have a friend with a 5 spd. After i get my headers and cold air done (which will be on sale, check out my "headers anybody?" post) i'll get a drag on with him, and i'll get back to ya all (probably end of summer. hahaha). Thanks Toy.
He has a 5 spd prelude i meant. This post has been edited by spunky393: Apr 29, 2004 - 8:10 PM -------------------- The most important lesson I learned from Karate-Dō Kyōshan – “You can not be what you do not believe you are” |
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Apr 29, 2004 - 8:11 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 19, '04 From austin tx Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
92 and older gts have a turbo, and ALOT more torque than we do. and the 93 and up gts have a 164 horse v6 thats pulls almost all the way to its 7k redline. my dads got a 97 and it will kick my ass.
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Apr 29, 2004 - 9:38 PM
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late 80's had a t3 |
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Apr 29, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yes, i see that now, thanks bike.
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Apr 29, 2004 - 11:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 30, '03 From O-town, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Turbo'd probes are quick. The stock ones, ya know? I saw one about 2 days ago, not too bad
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Apr 29, 2004 - 11:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
theres one in my town with some hubcap spinnaz on it.... dont know if its a GT or not....
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Apr 30, 2004 - 10:23 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 From Long Island, N.Y. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
 lol, what an ugly car. as they say ****ed On Race Day. This post has been edited by Jdog1385: Apr 30, 2004 - 10:26 PM |
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Apr 30, 2004 - 11:54 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Final drive doesn't really matter (it matters if you're comparing relative top speeds... but the Ludes are drag limited, and the Celicas are speed limited... I don't know about the probes). What matters is how the engine delivers its power... and no... you won't beat any prelude short of an old school 1st gen and 2nd Gen (well modded 3rd gens will walk you easy)... and nothing beyond that aside from MAYBE base model F23 powered Ludes. An H22/H23 lude will destroy you... easy... They have more power and torque... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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May 1, 2004 - 12:01 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the heck the final drive doesn't matter.
our final drive is for quickness, it uses the small power the engine puts out to every extent it can. And if you're talking about experience from that ST, little bit of a difference, correct? -------------------- The most important lesson I learned from Karate-Dō Kyōshan – “You can not be what you do not believe you are” |
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May 1, 2004 - 4:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 22, '04 From bellingham, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
against a GT.... seeing how i've heard a 20V st can beat a GT... and my car can keep up with coomers.... and i have a problem against my roommates 94 mx6 (same as the probe gt)... then i'd say the probe will beat you.... unfortunately
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May 1, 2004 - 5:06 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 15, '03 From Aurora IL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That probe is the ugliest thing i've ever seen in my life, ever.
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May 1, 2004 - 1:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Evey week someone comes up with a new car to be battled with the Celica....................why? These cars are NOT built to perform with out serious cash/mods. Quit trying to fool yourselfs, your car can and WILL be owned by a good percentage of other cars out there including trucks and SUV's.
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May 1, 2004 - 2:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
5sfe, why do you only post on this site to bash our own cars? I'm just wondering, because those seem to be the only posts I've seen out of you
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May 1, 2004 - 2:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Actually, i just think something is wrong with your car, so get over it. Try something positive. -------------------- The most important lesson I learned from Karate-Dō Kyōshan – “You can not be what you do not believe you are” |
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May 1, 2004 - 5:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Heheh... and I guess you're the VERY experienced one huh? FYI... I also drive an n/a MR2 and all of my cousins are Honda guys (98 Prelude VTEC, d16 VTEC Civic, K20A Civic SI, B18B Integra...) so you're the one that doesn't know jack ****. You don't even know what Final Drive ratio is and what it affects... It's the product of all of the gear ratios... and it determines the reduction between each gear. It doesn't determine overall acceleration... but it does determine a cars potential max speed between each gear... Acceleration is determined mostly by the power an engine makes, and the actual gear ratio... not the final drive. Toyota trannies are not built for acceleration. They're built to utilize mid-ranged torque.... NOT power. Comparatively speaking... go drive a car that has a tranny utilized for power and you'll see how different they are (ie: Corolla GT-S). FYI... I am talking from experience. So what if you have a 2.2 liter 5SFE. It's not a performance engine. I'm also willing to bet... you're no faster than I am in my ST... Yo know very little about anything... let alone challenging cars with far more hp and torque... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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May 1, 2004 - 5:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The 4:11 transmissions are hard to find in any street car. s2000's have the final drive, but they also have a kick butt hp range. I don't know what you're talkwing about with that ST. No one around here really drives anything like a corolla GT-S. I drive my celica, and i drive (when allowed) my father's 69 427 chevy. Two very different cars. I know a lot more than you would think, i learned from what a lot of people would consider the best. And i learned from the diagrams and hands-on experience. I just believe the celica has a lot more potential than you do, and that's not wrong for either of us, so we should leave it at that.
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May 1, 2004 - 5:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That's not what you were saying earlier... you basically were saying everyone is dumb because we think realistically that a Celica GT cannot beat any of the mentioned cars. I have no doubt that a built 5SFE can lay down some good power (working on that with our MR2)... but I'm also gonna say... a modded 5SFE can only go so far. You're actually the first person that I've ever heard say the Stock toyota trannies are good for perfromance... when in fact... they only do what they're designed to do. Also note: the S2000 tranny may have similar final drive ratios... but their gearing is complete different... the way the engine makes its power is completely different... the way it delivers the power is completely different. You can't just say because this tranny has a similar final drive means it can perform the same. No... the trannies, which are geared completely different, is the factor along with the power delivery and output. The reason I'm still posting... it's not because of anything you said to anyone else... but mostly because of the disrespect you showed towards me. I'm not putting down the Celica, nor am I ever. I, along with all of the countless others who have done swaps, bought performance parts, and have actually pushed their cars against another, have figured over time that the USDM 6th gen Celicas, in stock mechanical trim, don't even come close to competeing against other cars in its class... in terms of power and acceleration (even mod for mod). Also, I kinda figured you would be one that has been around domestics... from your mention of the Prelude's 2.2 vs. the Celica's 2.2... so I didn't question your knowledge of cars... only your interpretation of "Final Drive ratios"... but as you may know by now... size isn't everything... nor is comparing numbers. This post has been edited by Kwanza26: May 1, 2004 - 5:41 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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May 1, 2004 - 5:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well, i don't want to get on a bad side of you, or vise versa. I apologize if what i was saying came off wrong. Sometimes i just get finger happy, ya know, whatever runs through your head hits the screen, hahaha. I wasn't comparing with S2000, the 4:11 final is probably the only thing they have in common, hahah, oh yeah, they both come in manual if you want it, haha. I guess what i'm trying to say and do is, because i'm so used to workign and tuning the great domestic chevy's, i want to be able to take that freedom with the chevy V8 (the freedom to turn one screw and change the whole feel of the engine) and apply that with work and effort to a car with great potential like the 6GC. Apologize for any disrespect.
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May 1, 2004 - 6:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it's coo... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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May 1, 2004 - 6:50 PM
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he he, this thread would have never happened if toyota made a god business decision and released the 4 in the US lol
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May 1, 2004 - 7:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Don't make me cry dentist
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May 1, 2004 - 7:44 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 16, '04 From Worcestershire, UK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I don't know about the US spec Probe and Prelude but the UK versions of these cars are beaten on both performance and looks by the UK Spec Celica GT & GT4.
Car Type | BHP | MPH | 0-60 | Comments -------------------------------------------------------------- Probe 2.0 | 113 | 127 | 10.6 | Couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Probe 2.5 | 160 | 137 | 7.9 | Lookout, here comes Grandad. Prelude 2.0 | 132 | 125 | 8.9 | It's ugly and it's a Honda. Prelude 2.2 | 183 | 142 | 6.9 | It's still ugly and it's still a Honda. Celica GTi | 177 | 137 | 7.1 | Looks fantastic and has the 3SGE - one of the best 16v engines ever. Celica GT4 | 245 | 152 | 6.1 | 3SGTE, nuff said. 
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May 1, 2004 - 8:50 PM
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^^^^^ THAT IS AWESOME!
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May 1, 2004 - 8:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Shid- I dont bash our cars,its just people over estimate their motors all the time....its annoying and so are your replies to me( i post because I like this site) you just happen to see me bash the 5SFE becuase of questions like "can I beat an STi with an intake"
And Spunky.................*shrugs* my car is fine its just not a performance demon and neither is yours so get over it, your not beating any cars worth posting about. We all know the 5s and 7a are not the best engines in the world and I dont know why im taking all the flack for poeple who post repetitive threads time and time again. I used to post all the time bfore the same threads appeared...like "how much HP will a lightweight flywheel give me" or better "does anyone make a Exhaust for our car"...and the constant get a 3sgte its better............  Im not a mean person and Im not trying to piss on anyone. And thank you to poeplelike Kwanza who do have the patience to constantly inform people who think they know cars but dont to politley tell them...that they dont. Not bashing anyone inparticular(just the 5sfe-right Shid)
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May 1, 2004 - 9:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
pleasssssssse after i put my headers on i went lookin for a race and caught this lambo sittin preety at the light i revved he laughed then we took off he had me in 1st gear but after that i blew him awayso that just goes to show u headers, intake, and exuast add an easy 400 hp
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May 1, 2004 - 9:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
For real, after my SAFCII I took out an Aston Martin V-12Vanquish on the highway.
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May 1, 2004 - 10:12 PM
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I guess that makes us pretty annoyed with each other now doesn't it? |
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May 1, 2004 - 10:14 PM
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Exactly! Now can we all stop arguing?? Seriously though, the 5S-FE is meant for consistant low to midrange power delivery for everyday driving, and delivers reliability and ease of maintainence over any other aspect of its performance. Its not a race-inspired, high RPM, high compression/output engine, so i dont understand why people get offensive when they hear that their GT's cant beat cars that were designed to haul some ass. I wouldnt expect it from my stock engine, and neither should you. It does its intended job very well, so its best to accept it for what its got going for it....if speed is a big priority than plan on upgrading the enigne using turbo/nitrous or swapping the engine, or just buy a car designed for performance. -------------------- 3rd gen ST205 3SGTE - Alive and boosting. |
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May 1, 2004 - 10:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Amen
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May 1, 2004 - 10:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '03 From brooksville,fl Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
and i promise u that the girl in the 95 probe that just spanked u wishes she was in ure car not in his
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May 2, 2004 - 9:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I guess................................................................ maybee you dont like the truth? What would you like me to say Shid.."Our cars rip through the competition." They look good thats it. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: May 2, 2004 - 9:36 PM |
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May 2, 2004 - 9:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hey, lets just cut the crap, I've always told my girlfriend and who ever gets stressed out about other peoples decision to "State your opinion, and get out of it." It saves people a lot of time and a lot of crap, and you keep friends instead of losing.
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May 2, 2004 - 10:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I personally love the 4th gen lude w/ an H22. I wanted one for the longest time. But their interior does suck. and let's be honest, for the 6g's price range, i have never seen a cooler interior. Damn like the supra
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92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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May 2, 2004 - 10:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It's just that you seem to jump at ANY oppurtunity to diss our own cars. Have some pride man, they may not be the fastest things on the road, but that doesn't mean you have to act like a Toyota hater at the same time.
Furthermore, some of your information has been incorrect, and I find it wrong that you broadcast that information as the truth (As in the Integra LS thead) |
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May 2, 2004 - 11:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ummmmm... Im sorry Ms.Shid but that info is correct you seem to be the only one negating that, this i not a fairy tale an LS with the same driver will take a GT, better motors, better low-loss trannies. You are the only one who has a problem with my posts....pride....I like my car its just not fast. Damn Shid EASE THE FU&*K OFF !! Do I come at you..*shakes head*.... no, so why you on my nuts?????? 1/4 mile times *stock* Celica GT---mid-high 16's Integra LS---mid 15's yea...you are an awesome driver knockin out automatic LS's Shid arent you?....yea..yea you are. Congradulations Shid YOUR AWESOME!!!!  This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: May 2, 2004 - 11:52 PM |
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May 3, 2004 - 12:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Dude, lay off. YOU seem to be the only one freaking out- do you see me cussing in those posts? and I consider that, and some of your other posts you migth have conveniently forgotten about, as attacking me.
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