Swap Wiring Info Options

[lagos]

in an effort to help clear up the mystery about wring for the swap, i decided to start this thread. i plan to post any info that i find during my reaserch and would like to see the rest of you do the same. this way we can all share information and make swaping less of a hassle for future generations.

to start off, here are some ECU pin outs from my 91 BGB. i dont have any 6th gen pinouts yet but ill scan them in when i get my hands on a 6th gen BGB.

correct me if im wrong, but ECT means automatic and no ECT means manual?

[lagos]

From the Haynes 86-99 manual:

[lagos]

3sgte pinouts from the 91 BGB:

[Doge]

Does anyone have ANY info on what is required in order to get the harness to work properly with a 6th gen?

[lagos]

what i would like to know, is if you HAVE to rewire the main engine fuse box, or if you can just swap the one from the alltrac over.

on the interrior, i hear that there are about 4 plugs from the 5s harness that need to be spiced into the 3rd ecu plug. anyone know what those plugs are and where i can find them?

[Coomer]

Tim and I removed the information regarding the sharing of Mike's copyrighted wiring diagrams. We don't want anything to turn into a situation where Mike's rights as the copyright owner are not respected, which could turn into lawsuits, and the possible shutdown of this site if copyrighted material was shared illegally on this website.

Please understand that we would like to see as much information on the swap wiring as possible, but we're not going to risk the site and getting prosecuted over it.

So please do not ask anyone to share Mike(qatar11)'s copyrighted material regarding the swap. Mike has made non-disclosure agreements regarding this information.

Thanks,
Christian Coomer

[Doge]

Coomer I hope you realize that you just erased alot of good information that had nothing to do with Mike's "secrets." There were basic guidelines that DG gave on what the wiring job entails. I must say I wrote a pretty nasty post after I saw that you erased this info...but getting mad won't solve anything.

Can you please put that back up...We don't care about the copywrite info but the other stuff was good information

Mine as well just erase the whole post if nobody can post any info on it...

This post has been edited by Doge: Jun 2, 2004 - 5:11 PM

[Coomer]

Good point...DG's information is now below...sorry for removing the actual helpful swap wiring information in the first place.

[Doge]

Thank you Coomer

This post has been edited by Doge: Jun 2, 2004 - 5:16 PM

[jgreening]

Here is my $.02. A Wiring diagram is more like a procedure or process and less like an explanation in my opinion. As such, the appropriate intellectual property is a patent. Although his narative or pictures could potentially be copyrighted, no one on this site is interested in those documents and they should not be posted under any circumstances. However, the information itself (the "how to") unless subject to patent rights would not be protected.

On a different note, a man's word must be respected. DG should not be encouraged or pressured to break his word to Mike. Like it or not, Mike spent some time and expertise in developing these diagrams and unless we can learn from other people who independently have knowledge about the wiring (and who do not mind the information be shared free of charge for the greater benefit of the 6gc community), any information originated from Mike should not be posted without his consent.

P.S. I am not an intellectual property attorney and the information set forth herein is for informational purposes only. Use of this information does not create an attorney client relationship with anyone.

This is from the U.S. Copyright Office website:
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This post has been edited by jgreening: Jun 2, 2004 - 5:58 PM

[lagos]

umm... i must have missed out on alot today cause i dont know what the hell is going on.

anyway, im kind of wishing right now that i owned a DSM or a Honda. at least people there share all types of info.

i pulled out most of my 3sgte harness today. it dosnt seem that hard to rewire it. i think its possible to use the 3sgte fuse box and then after that you just have to rewire a few of the ecu plugs.

ill keep u guys updated....if anyone cares that is.

[Defgeph]

I care lagos give that wire hell .....

good luck

This post has been edited by defgeph: Jun 2, 2004 - 10:05 PM

[DG_Performance]

Wow everything i posted b4 has been chopped up ????
Well let me put something back in that was cut out ....

All i said about the swap is what coomer posted back up ( a general idea) to give you guys an idea of what you have to do when you have to rewire the harness.

I dont know why people are making a big deal over nothing ???????

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: May 14, 2005 - 4:03 PM

[DG_Performance]

So just to clear things up now since whoever deleted all from b4 is making it look like i did something wrong .....

It looks like from all the cutting of this topic that i had something illegal posted b4 from the way the post is now ,,,,,and that is not the case.

thanks,
dg

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: May 14, 2005 - 4:05 PM

[Coomer]

Yeah, we're not blaming anyone. No-one did anything wrong. The reason why we removed the discussion from earlier regarding Mike's rights to his copyrighted materials that he's released to a couple individuals was mainly because we didn't want to have people hassling DG and Supersprynt to release Mike's copyrighted information.

And Lagos, I wish everyone would(and could, in DG's and Supersprynt's cases) share all of the information that they had as well.

[lagos]

Coomer, the way i see it is that information is free. anyone has the right to share what they know and what they have learned. the only thing they dont have a right to do is post something that is not their work.

think of it this way. i can not leagally post a movie on the net for people to dowload, but i can talk about what i learned from watching that moive, because that is my free speach.

just because DG and Supersprynt paid mike an insane amount of money for diagrams, dosnt voild their right to free speech or helping someone out. as long as they dont post the diagrams that are copywritten, then they are in the clear.

what i think is the funniest is that you are making a huge deal over nothing, yet you didnt say anyhing about all the diagrams that i posted. they are © Toyota, you know.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 3, 2004 - 12:14 AM

[sinner96ST]

i read in another thread that mike isn't going to be making wiring harnesses anymore. i can understand the man's right to a profit, but if he isn't producing wiring harnesses anymore, i say for the greater good of the community, he should release them.

maybe all you swappers (or wanna be swappers) can donate some cash and see if you can't buy it outright from him, if he isn't going to do any more wiring. just a thought.

[lagos]

[macavely]

i'm not sure what mike did cause i never seen it.. but if he used 2 toyota digrams to make his own then i don't see the big deal in all off this.. but if he didn't then it really doesn't matter anyway..

now we can all use toyotas diagrams and post them on this site as long as you should toyotas TM on them.. and you don't charge anyone for seeing that information.. now i hope lagos finish his harness and then post a nice detailed how to so we don't have anymore problems for anyone wantting to do their own swaps later on..

[Doge]

What Coomer deleted wasn't anything that would have been helpful to anyone. So nobody worry about it. DG didn't say anything that would have got him in trouble. I'm actually kinda glad Coom deleted all that stuff..haha..it cleaned this post up alot. But what didnt get reposted is Mike's response to why he isn't doing harnesses anymore. So here it is again:

[presure2]

commer & tim:
why was my post deleted?
i didnt post any wiring info, i simply stated the FACT.
this whole wiring thing is just bullsh*t.
i mean, isnt the whole point of a message board to SHARE info?
now, i not saying people should use mikes info, i "kinda" understand mikes point, but its not like mike is creating a whole new harness from scratch. he just modifys whats already there.
and when i said someone should "step-up", i wasnt talking directly to anyone, i just meant that we as a community need to step-up and help.
there is no need to have this veil of secresy around the wiring that needs to be done. it should be easily accsesable, so that EVERYONE who needs it can have it.
i mean, thats how it is on 99% of other message boards, why is this one so diffrent?
are we all so elite that we cannot share information?

[macavely]

[lagos]

i think the problem is that one guy figured it out....told everyone that it was hard, and offered an easy way out for them. then everyone who did the swap after that got scared and just send their harness in. so, most people who did the swap have no clue as to whats going on.

after i figure everything out, i have no problem helping out anyone that is nice and honstly needs help, but i almost dont want to do a full tutorial or anything like that because of this ****.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 4, 2004 - 8:12 AM

[Doge]

I know for sure that I'm going to post as much info on the process as soon as I get mine done. Only after lots of troubleshooting with Legos that is =)

[Digndoug]

Man, after readoin this.. Thsi sight has just gotten alot more.. well no good.. I mean every other car or sight i have been to .. There were no secretes.. yeah someone spent time figuring somthing out.. but than shared, to save everyone from doing the same thing.. i understand wanting to make money... but man.. This is just stupid... Also I say to someone that did buy the diagram.. re-write it.. then post it.. that way its not illegal.. an to some stop being pricks...

[Doge]

I know we're pretty much being forced to reinvent the wheel here. But thats just how it's going to have to be. I don't think there's any convincing anyone, so we mine as well just try and get it done ourselves as quickly as possible and spread the info after its done...then we wont even have to worry about any "secrets" anymore.

[Coomer]

You guys have to understand that I'm not trying to prevent you guys from seeing the information...I'd love for someone to do the swap and do a full write-up on the wiring...that'd be stickied for sure if it was complete.

The thing is, I don't want Mike's information posted due to legal reasons. If it came down to it, he could probably sue the site and get it shut down if his copyrighted material was posted and allowed to stay, which I think wouldn't be worth it. This site has come a long way and I don't want it to be shut down over something like this.

I really wish that Mike would freely share his information too, but he just won't do that.

[Drocay]

coomer i've been wondering is Mikes info truely copyrighted?

[Doge]

[macavely]

[Coomer]

I don't know about printed works, but I know that anything you create online is automatically copyrighted. I think printed works might be the same way.

[lagos]

lets get back on topic....

wiring update. today the 3sgte came out of the clip and the full Engine Bay Harness was removed.

the wiring in the car consists of 3 harnesses.

engine bayharness - all the wiring on connected to the engine. leads out thorugh the fire wall and plugs into the ecu. there are 3 ecu plugs and 2or3 plugs that plug into the interrior harness.

interrior harness- all the wiring on the inside of the car. you just have to worry about 2or3 plugs. they control stuff like speedo, check engine, fuel pump(i think), etc.

body harness- the harness that runs along the body of the car and connects to things like headlights, fogs, ect.

then you have the main engine fuse box.you can use your stock one or the 3sgte one, but you MAY need to rewire it because some of plugs that connect to it are from the body harness and may not plug right in.


hope this gives everyone a basic idea of how all of this works.

this post is © Lagos. to view it legally, you must IM me and tell me im "the man".

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

[shid]

Even if Mike's copywrite was valid, it might not be anymore. Mike has expressed a definite interest in never doing this again- and attempting to still hold on to his intellectual copywrite without accepting offers to buy it (or demanding an excessive price) would violate that copywrite.

[Rjb23]

Keep this thread going lagos, it will come in handy when I want to do my swap.

Why would you use the other 2 harnesses? Wouldn't just the engine harness be all that you are after? Your not really changing the speedo, headlights and what not so I thing that would stay the same.

[lagos]

[Defgeph]

Is there a difference in the wiring harness from st and gt or is it the same ? Lagos do ur books show you st and gt wiring ? I'm curious to see if there is anything different. Also what about things like cruise control? like for example, if the clip has cruise control and ur car doesnt what do you do with things in that nature ?

DEF

[macavely]

from what i have found the harness is the same for an ST(m/t),(a/t) GT.. but the wiring is a little bit diffrenet...

[FAQdaWorld]

I really doubt Mike can hold a copyright patent or whatever over the wiring, I'm not saying it should be posted, but iono, i'm just skeptical you can have a copyright over something like that.

Oh yeah mike, if you read this, are you still going to be able to help me out w/ the 94 st wiring diagrams like you said you would? Or is it gonna be possible to get any sort of refund from you?


-Ryan

[Doge]

Immediately after Mike sent me that response asking him if he still did harnesses I sent him an email asking him to let me know where I can send my harness, because if you read his reply it said he is still willing to do harnesses. But now I'm just thinking that was his way to make an excuse to hold onto the diagrams without showing us. He replied to my first email almost instantly..but then when I asked him when he can do my harness he seemed to drop off the face of the planet and he won't reply.

This post has been edited by Doge: Jun 7, 2004 - 1:54 AM

[lagos]

[shid]

More of us know about copywrite law than we know about the swap wiring.

[Defgeph]

[lagos]

[Defgeph]

Ok, I went to and got as haynes manual for no reason. It does not have any info on the 3sgte. they have info on 3sge, 7afe, 5sfe and another I forgot what. I'll see if it has any info that could help us out.

On thursday, I'll be out again looking for manuals hopefully with better luck.

later
DEF

[shid]

Hayes manuals aren't that great.. for instance, the hayes manual on the 6th gen celica also includes the 5th gen- and all the pictures and descriptions are for the 5th gen- it's horrible.

[Defgeph]

yeah I noticed that .. but we are working with a 5th gen 3sgte. so some of that info can help out.

[lagos]

believe it or not, some of the wiring diagrams that are in the back of the haynes are about the same ones you get in the official toyota wiring books.

[macavely]

[Rjb23]

If you had an ST would it be easier to get a GT wiring harness so you don't have to extend the ST harness 30 some inches?

[Defgeph]

[lagos]

you know, you can just drill a new hole in your firewall. all the plugs connect to, or around your ECU. so, drill a new hole and then there is not need to extend anything.

im still not sure if im going to drill or extend mine tho.

[lagos]

after talking out my engine, harness and ECU, these are the plugs that were left in the interrior of the clip. they run to things like your gauge cluster, and anything else thats from the firewall back. this is the reason why you have to rewire. those interrior connectors where not wired up the same way in the 6th gen.

[Doge]

so even if you drilled a hole in the firewall, wouldn't you still have to extend those interior wires? Because those connections still are pointing the opposite way from where the harness would be coming from (out of the new hole). Or is there a way to turn those connections around along with the ECU so you wouldn't have to do that?

[CELICAKIDD324]

I see everyones view in this post, However Mike built my wiring harness months ago and my car has been ready to drive for 2 months now and we have had the same problem with it for that same amount of time, we have found that it is the wiring but without mikes diagrams i dont have the resources to fix the problem. I have e-mailed mike several times but all i get as an answer is "i am too busy get to you later", well thats not part of a community i want to be a part of, I believe Mike will eventually get around to helping me but I dont think he realizes the situation its put me in . I have already missed 1 national show and about to miss my 2nd, i am also about to lose my sponsor that i worked so hard to pick up over the last 4 years (corbeau). If its at all possible will anyone with some wiring diagrams to put a 2nd gen 3sgte into a 6 gen celica gt e-mail them to me, all i want is for my car to work. please. I feel it may make the magezines this year but not without it running. Please help!!! My email is lowclass21@yahoo.com or link to it off my cardomain site at http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/516799

[lagos]

3sgte fuse box



5sfe fuse box ...splits into 2 parts





notice how some things that the 5sfe handles in the main fuse box (like the (ST)starter) and the 3sgte dosnt have that. on the 3s that handled on the pass side kick panel.

if you take your 5s fuse box apart, youll notice a big ass plug. most of the mystery is in that one plug. i still have not figured out what each of those wired do . the 3s fuse box is kid of easy to figure out becasue you can just trace the fuses and youll see what the wires do.


anyone know what AM1, AM2 and CDS stand for?

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 19, 2004 - 11:18 PM

[CELICAKIDD324]

one more add in to my last post, assume every one assumes this but the info is not just for a 2nd gen 3s to a 6th gen gt but a 2nd gen JDM into , i need the jdm diagrams,

thanks all

[CELICAKIDD324]

thankyou all for any help you have given, i have found my problem, Mike (qatar11) had 2 of the distibutor wires reversed at the ecu, switched them around waaaalaaa, engine idles, revs to red line , no hesitation , smooth idle, run great cant wait to get it out and drive it, just gotta finish hooking up the nitrous, blow off valve and front mount intercooler and i should be ready, thanks again!!!!!
PS, i found this without mikes help, he still has not replied any help at ALL....

[lagos]

thats great news. i wish my car ran. only thing left is the wiring, and right now it has me stumped!

[Doge]

There is no diagram that has those wires labled for that plug lagos?

[doGGy]

Some one, get the wiring done my mike, and take a photos of it, take photo of every plug, after that you will be able to realise there/what color wires go into plugs. That will be like COPY/ paste........ But thats the easy way to know the things that mike know.......


P.S. i never told this to you guys

[Drocay]

prob is everyone who could do that wont.

[CELICAKIDD324]

If i knew it would have helped i would have taken a picture of my harness made by mike when it was out of the car, but i found during my research of the problems mike caused me, that he does not use consistant colors through the harness, allthough you may see green/black pluging into pin 4 or something i may be a blue wire extended from somewhere else. he does this when he extends the harness. so i dont think anyones pics will help, however if there is any way i can help you at the ecu, i will, pinout locations, ect...

[Digndoug]

i would say, any pics or info you have would help us ..

[Drocay]

THIS WAS ALL POSTED BY OUTSIDER ON CELICA.NET


Excel Pinouts

This post has been edited by Drocay: Jun 22, 2004 - 11:31 AM

[Outsider]

(click on pictures for full size)



Excel file link


Please keep in mind that the above pinout information is for a 1997 GT. There are slight changes from year to year and between the GT and the ST.

This post has been edited by Outsider: Sep 20, 2009 - 9:31 PM

[95BlueGT]

i have the 5sf3 engine wiring layout saved on my comp for a while now...so this is all i have to contribute...not sure if its general info everyone has, but im glad someone is putting in effort into making this public info for everyone.


Its a Zip File

Right Click Save As

i wanted to post the pics, but they are too big and would've screwed up the layout of the page...so just dl the zip file.

This post has been edited by 95BlueGT: Jun 23, 2004 - 3:44 PM

[Rjb23]

Any news on this?

[reborn0323]

anyone have the wiring info for 7afe to 3sgte???

[lantz2121]

does anyone know how to get a hold of qatar11 (mike) does he do cutom wiring looms for people? email lantz2121@yahoo.com thanks

[Jabberwock]

I have a 7AFE to 3SGTE wiring Diagram...hehe

[Rjb23]

Post it.

[Outsider]

Mike (qatar11) has placed this notice on his website

Topshelf Racing link

[playr158]

doesn't this mean that yall can post pics of diagrams and stuff now?!

[Doge]

Yeah! I'm with playr! Nobody can buy them anymore so can't we see the diagrams?

[Andason]

All someone has to do to avoid plagurism (copyright isn't the issue here) is properly cite this is whoevers materials. There is NOTHING he can do about it. You also can't resell the info, but can provide it for free for educational purposes.

Aren't ANY of you in college??????!?!?!

As far as a signed waiver goes or whatever just leak it to an anonymous person and have someone post. This happens in the media ALL THE TIME.

[Jabberwock]

I would post what mike gave me, but I paid a butt load for it and it just doesn't feel right to post for free. If you guys have any suggestions that would be coo.

[lagos]

as it stands right now, there is pretty much all the info you need out there on the net do make your own diagrams out of.

the main plug in your 5sfe fuse box is called EA-1. you need to take this plug from your 5sfe harness and splice the 3s harness into it.

on the 3sgte, the fuse box has more then one plug. these are called 2A, 2B, 2C.

seeing as we now know what each of the wires on the EA-1 plug does, we can now refer to http://www.gtfour.ca/ to see what the 3sgte plugs do and make up a chart that tells you how to rewire the fuse box.

[Defgeph]

[Rjb23]

Hey here is a site that I found that might help out. It is on the st205 gt4 but it has wiring diagrams and a lot more.

http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/Technical.htm

[Drocay]

[QUOTE]Rjb23 Posted on Jul 2, 2004 - 6:36 PM
Hey here is a site that I found that might help out. It is on the st205 gt4 but it has wiring diagrams and a lot more.

http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/Technical.htm[/QUOTE]

defgeph Posted on Jul 1, 2004 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (lagos @ Jul 1, 2004 - 10:26 PM)
as it stands right now, there is pretty much all the info you need out there on the net do make your own diagrams out of.

the main plug in your 5sfe fuse box is called EA-1. you need to take this plug from your 5sfe harness and splice the 3s harness into it.

on the 3sgte, the fuse box has more then one plug. these are called 2A, 2B, 2C.

seeing as we now know what each of the wires on the EA-1 plug does, we can now refer to http://www.gtfour.ca/ to see what the 3sgte plugs do and make up a chart that tells you how to rewire the fuse box.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]I think this post deserves a Corona ! [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]



Double That Corona!.

This post has been edited by Drocay: Jul 2, 2004 - 7:23 PM

[moltar]

Hopefully by the time I do my swap next summer this will all be well documented thanks to you fellas. Much love and a third corona out to Lagos!

[rsos1]

Ok so it looks like the fuse box is taken care of but what about the wiring on the inside of the car?

[Rjb23]

All this info needs to be stickied when it is done being gathered!

[Outsider]

The EA-1 fuse box diagrams that I posted are for the 97 GT. there are slight differences between years and models. I have diagrams for all and will eventually be tracing them all and posting the data.

[DG_Performance]

Where are these EA1 diagrams posted? I would like to see what they say so i can help you guys to avoid bad info. I know the swap wiring pretty good since i did my own with some help from the qatar diagrams but did not go off of them 100%.
I made a better harness that avoids splicing into any major battery wires and alt wires. It is the best possible way to do the swap wireing but it takes a little longer that is the down side.
By the way there is almost no differences in the wireing from the gt to the st so the wire diagrams are about universal for both except for very few small differences.
Since Qatar is not making harnesses anymore and not responding to anyone he actually backed out of the deal i had with him ( for tech support and questions ) i am willing to help out as much as possible.

The only thing i will not do is post his wire diagrams online. That is just not right ...but i will help in any other way i can.

By the way the qatar diagrams are not 100% correct anyway!!!!!
I had to find that out the hard way if you know what i mean. and i know what had to be done to fix all the problems.
DG
Edit: A simple how to is not going to cut it when it comes to doing the swap wires. You need 100% good info for something like this.

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Jul 4, 2004 - 11:35 AM

[lagos]

EA-1 Pinouts

[DG_Performance]

Also,
I just had to help a "former qatar harness person" with his harness problems cause he tried to contact qatar who made his swap harness. Guess what,,, he got no response.... so when he came here for me to help him figure out the wires...... man you should have seen the mess we had to straighten out. It is just not right what is going on here with all this swap stuff. The way the wires were put together just did not look like it was too safe either.
Everyone just needs to get together and take the time to put out some good info.
PS
I am going to try to get a meet together somewhere around the pennslyvania and ohio border sometime soon so look for a post in the general discussion area on that.
PS,S
The link still does not work for me????

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Jul 4, 2004 - 11:53 AM

[lagos]

DG_Performance,

would you be interested in helping me figure out this wiring so that together we could make a How To on it?

wiring for the swap has been a major gray area for way too long and i believe that it is hurting this community. if you take a look at the honda, nissan, and mitsu community, youll notice that the reason why they are so large is because everyone shares info and helps other out. the more we help one another out, the more turbo celicas will will have out on the road.

i will not ask you for any copywriten info. i just want to know what you have learned, on your own, while doing your wiring.

its time to declare our Independence Day!

[DG_Performance]

Sounds like a good idea to me,
we should get together sometime and straighten this all out. after your car is done we should meet up (have a celica meet even!) with others from the celica community that want to help and make a great step by step swap how to or something.
I got most of the 3s info we need from the celica books and now that someone posted the ea1 info we should be able to do this!!!

Anyone else that is interested in this info should come to this meet with us and help out in whatever way. Even if you guys have no electrical skills you can order pizza for the rest of us to contribute
Lets do this,
DG

[sinner96ST]

hey, i like this thread.. so bump for more wiring info.

[lagos]

this is one small step for man...and one giant leap for the celica! ...lol

This post has been edited by lagos: Jul 4, 2004 - 1:14 PM

[Outsider]

DG_Performance

The link is to info stored on my comp.... if the kids shut it off you get the Red x

(click on pictures for full size)
1997 GT


Excel file link

Please keep in mind that the above pinout information is for a 1997 GT. There are slight changes from year to year and between the GT and the ST.



This post has been edited by Outsider: Sep 20, 2009 - 9:23 PM

[DG_Performance]

I looked at that exel file and i dont think that applies to all celicas cause that is not how my ea1 connector is????
any other opinions on this?
dg

[lagos]

DG, whats not the same about it? i gave it a quick look over and most of the stuff seems right.

[DG_Performance]

the good thing is that all the colors are right
bad stuff:
#2 wire on EA1 does not go to the efi relay....it is suposed to go to the starter relay
#14 & 15 are supposed to both be alt wires
this is based on what i have seen when i did my swap harness
maybe wires on all celicas are not the same???
the rest seems to be ok but i am not 100% on that

[jgreening]

I am not sure if this is a repost but I came across this website with 3sgte wiring diagrams tonight:

3sgte wiring diagrams

[funnys_tears]

hello there,
i has the st model i was just make is the Gt and the St has the same engine harness wire. Becuz i put a 3sge into my St it has no power and no light and no star... cuz i use my 7afe stock harness to my 3sge motor i try to star but it doesn't respond to has any power.. so what see is anyone over there can help me out... with the no power..

[lagos]

holy blast from the past !

you have to fully rewire you engine bay harness using parts of you ST harness and parts of the 3sge harness. you also need the 3sge ecu. do you have a 3sge harness and ecu?

[jayi12-15psi]

I'm just gonna bump this, cause its got alot of good info in it. I think we should make a sticky with this info in it.

Also, I'm about to do the swap. I'm kindof going after the wiring basically without too much knowhow. I've never swapped before, how long do you guys think it would take a novice like myself to complete this task?