Nitrous.....cheating?!? Options

[94celicaguy]

ok, here is something that bothers me and i wanted to know what other people thought about it. i have nitrous, and when i race people they tell me not to spray, or they wont race because i have it. i have no idea why in the hell people act like that. is nitrous not just like any other performance modification. you want your car to be fast, so if you have the money you can get nitrous oxide. thats like me racing a car with a header, and telling him i didnt want to race him cause he had a header. thats just ignorant if you ask me. it helps performance and i dont believe people should be like that. tell me what you think.

[Milds3vn]

I hear what your saying but I feel that NOS is kinda like a cheap trick. Its not legal in any racing series so in a way that kinda thinking is carried over to street racing. I don't think NOS is exactly shi+ but it would be one of the last mods I would do to my car. Also, it seems harder to gauge what kind of effect NOS will have on a car as opposed to try to roughly estimate someones all motor or F.I. capability. I could see if you were running against a car with turbo and you needed something to bring you up to that level but depending on what your up against its gains are to unknown for most people to be willing to go against...not many people have experience against it so there to unsure. Thats my take on this issue, what does everyone else think?

[Neipas09]

IMO i think NOS should only be used on drag strips at a "real" race. Noone wants to get owned by NOS out on the street, plus that's a good way to get a bad rep for your car. I know celica's our slower than snot, but adding NOS is just making your car look worse cause that is the only aftermarket you can afford for your car, which means you shouldn't be racing in the first place.

[AJcelica]

i think it's kind of a cheap mod for your car... i mean it's extremely hard to compete with so much boost, and if you're the other guy it's not even worth your time to race...

just my honest opinion...

[FallenHero]

I think it's a mod to make your car go faster. I see it just like a turbo. Turbo's take time to spool up before boost. So, should people ask you to take off your turbo before they race, or go get a turbo themselves?

[Neipas09]

Now if i had a turbo (t-66 or t-88) and i was racing someone that had a N/A w/NOS then i would be gung ho. But if i was N/A against a N/A w/NOS then i would tell the person to shove the hose up his azz and hit the button and see what his 1/4mi time is. Even a stock turbo @ 8psi isn't really that big of a competition for NOS since a 100shot of NOS can do like 200hp increase (i think, just guesstimating).

[FallenHero]

LOL, that would blow an import to hell. Ok, here is am good way to look at nitrous. I saw a stock C-5 corvette dyno at um.... I'm thinking it was around 350ish. Now, with a 75 shot of TNT nos, he hit 500hp!!!

[Neipas09]

so 100 shot is = 200hp roughly.

[AJcelica]

DAY-UM!!!!!!!

[CruwL]

i can totally see y u would be pissed if u pulled up to race a car that was na w/nos. the guy/girl had nothing done to the car but nos that would be cheap. no if he did all the stuff most of u do and decided to go nos instead of engine swap or turbo i dont see nothing wrong wiht that just better hope u can out drive him or somthing

[snadman]

I went against some huge supercrew truck this weekend with nitrous....not NOS grrrr....NOS doesn't mean nitrous but anyways....I won, because he was stuck at the stoplight...soemthing wasn't hooked up right and his ECU stalled his truck or something (I don't know for sure, I was laughing in my head msot of the time and wasn't paying any attention) lol...it was rather funny but I went back and helped him with whatever I coulkd....basically pushing the hting to the side of the road :-D

See....recing people with nitrous is that bad man! Sometimes you can win!

PLUS, I am zilch on the other two choices. Not enough funds as well as parents refusal keeps me from getting turbo or engine swap....just because they think it may be too much of an investment or somethoing i dunno....they say when im 18 i can do it ifg i want....but nitrous may be the way I want to go right now if I can prove to them how safe the Zex kit is now that they redesigned it.

[Neipas09]

People don't get NOS because they can't afford a turbo or swap, it's cause they want to be just like F&F.
And yes it is called NOS, it was before F&F and will be called the tomorrow.

[forkee]

2 Fast 2 Furious, will not be featuring Nitrous Oxide Systems, but rather Nitrous Express, or so i've heard..

[hiflytsi]

QUOTE (Neipas09 @ Feb 24, 2003 - 12:22 AM)

People don't get NOS because they can't afford a turbo or swap, it's cause they want to be just like F&F. And yes it is called NOS, it was before F&F and will be called the tomorrow.

Well, NOS is the name of the company and nitrous is what the gas is called, and FF2 does feature N.eX.

Edit-
Also, a modified car should just stick to its enigine mod Bracket, i.e., Forced Induction, Nitrous N/A, Nitrous Modified, N/A, and so on...

This post has been edited by hiflytsi: Feb 24, 2003 - 2:43 AM

[Guest_Matthew_*]

ok i have some input for this thread. nos is good in a sense. if you have a big turbo t-66 and bigger. then definitely get nos even a 35 shot will help your turbo spool up faster. and also will cool the air and fuel in the cylinders also resulting in more power. One thing though. nos is only good it you a have a big turbo. I personally don't like nos. turbos are way more effecient and in the end turbos will pay for themselves in comparison to NOS. So get yourself a medium sixed turbo. like a greddy TD06SH or something like that.



Also 100 shot of nos=100hp. approx.

[No0bOne]

Ahh you beat me to it matt! It's cool.
IMO, NOS is just a waste. It's like wasting your money puffin on cigarettes as they diminish than you'd have to buy another one. But turbo is a different story, BOOST will always be there for ya. But than again, NOs is like replacing your performance $hits. OKay i'md one for.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

and also if you buy yourself a 3s just think of the possiblities. you can replace all of the internals of that engine for about 5 g's from JUN. I'm talking crankshafts, pistons, cams, valves, valve springs, piston rings, valve retainers, connecting rods, valve sleeves, etc. that will put you at about 325hp at stock boost. race some of those punks with NOS with no internal engine supports. waste them and collect some cash. or watch them blow there engine. sure they might have headers and an intake. and your engine looks stock. but they can't see inside it. they're engine only is good on the outside with some spray paint and bright colored wire looms.

[95STCelica]

QUOTE (igotta5S-FEturbo @ Feb 24, 2003 - 1:22 AM)

and also if you buy yourself a 3s just think of the possiblities. you can replace all of the internals of that engine for about 5 g's from JUN. I'm talking crankshafts, pistons, cams, valves, valve springs, piston rings, valve retainers, connecting rods, valve sleeves, etc. that will put you at about 325hp at stock boost. race some of those punks with NOS with no internal engine supports. waste them and collect some cash. or watch them blow there engine. sure they might have headers and an intake. and your engine looks stock. but they can't see inside it. they're engine only is good on the outside with some spray paint and bright colored wire looms.

perfectly said.

a lot of people say that NOS is best for "bang for the buck" but to me its like pissing in the wind...you keep paying for it and you can only use it in short spurts...

turbo =

[Neipas09]

Yes turbo does =

Plus you don't have to refill your turbo after every run.

[RedSunCelica]

what ever happened to run what you bring

[FallenHero]

I agree, nos(I say nos because I don't want to say N20 or nitrous) is a money pit, but you must all agree, it would be a fun thing to have... talk about messing with a civics mind...

[No0bOne]

matt, your point is to rebuild it...right?

[snadman]

First off, I know it's easier to use "NOS" but that is just the name of a damned company that sells systems that use the fuel called Nitrous Oxide....grrr I hate people that do that and then defend it saying that NOS is what it's called, because it's not.

And then you go and contradict yourself. Before FNF, how many people called nitrous NOS? Not too many, but ever since that famous blowup scene witht hat Eclipse where they yell "NOS!" everyone uses it as that...so basically calling nitrous oxide NOS is being FNF-like which contradicts your saying "NOS is just for people who wanna be FNF" DUDE...if you could at all follow what I just said then you'll understand that you should go crawl in a dark hole and pee yourself....lol. Don't be knocking people that use nitrous and saying they're fast and furious wannabes when you're going around calling nitrous oxide NOS! Grrr....anyways....ranting is over with now. (BTW: This ain't to knock those of you who say NOS just for short because it's easier....like FallenHero and someitmes like I do...it's only to those people that defend that nitrous oxide is really called NOS....I get totally flabbergasted when people say that and defend it...grrrr)

Anyways. I agree with RedSunCelica. If you feel like you wanna beat these little kids with only an Intake and nitrous then go ahead and do it. Don't sit here and complain that it's not fair. Show them that it takes me than some nitrous to really race. Take some igotta5sfeturbo's advice to heart. Maybe you'll spend a hell of a lot more, but you aren't going to have a chance of messing up your engine and while those kids with only nitrous are filling up their nitrous tanks to get their horsepower, you already got your HP right under the hood of your car....readily available whenever you need it.

It's YOUR car....do what YOU want to do with YOUR car and don't complain about what others do to theirs. Street racing is illegal in the first place so saying they aren't following the (unwritten) rules of no nitrous is kind of contradicting yourself am I right? "Oh, you're not following the rules in an already illegal action"....you're already breaking the street racing law....so who gives a damn if you're breaking another one eh?

I don't know if any of that made sense. I just get really heated when people say stuff that's ignorant.

Lata all...BTW....igotta- You can also do that to yuor 5s...although it won't be as strong as the 3s because the 3s is made to handle a turbo...you cna still replace engine parts with performance ones on the 5s. :-)

This post has been edited by snadman: Feb 27, 2003 - 12:47 AM

[FallenHero]

What kind of no2 setup are you using? is it NOS!? ha, j\k

yo snadman, great post.

[Neipas09]

NOS is the best upgrade ever!!!

Yea right, FUK NOS!!!
Hey that would be a sweet license plate "FUK NOS". Ha ha ha!!!

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

QUOTE

NOS is the best upgrade ever!!! Yea right, FUK NOS!!! Hey that would be a sweet license plate "FUK NOS". Ha ha ha!!!

LMAO!!!

[snadman]

Ha...nice guys. I agree with all the non ignorant posts here....just think and do what you want. Be your own original person make your car your own and as original as possible.

[Neipas09]

How does adding NOS make your car original and unique?

[snadman]

I don't know if you read ANY of the other posts I made in this topic. I never once condoned putting nitrous in your car or said it was original. I said "be your own original person and make your car your own and as original as possible." I think it's feasible to say I'm suggesting don't put nitrous in your in your car because it's not original. Anyways, read other posts before just blurting stuff alrighty? Thanks in advance, because I (along will a million other people) don't like when false opinions are shoved in my mouth.

[FallenHero]

i see no problem with nitrous. It's just another mod, and a better one than an electric supercharger!

[Neipas09]

QUOTE (snadman @ Feb 27, 2003 - 10:59 PM)

Ha...nice guys. I agree with all the non ignorant posts here....just think and do what you want. Be your own original person make your car your own and as original as possible.

I ain't tryin to piss you off d00d, but when i read this it meant to me that you was saying that everyone on here that supports NOS is cool in your book and you are behind them 100% cause you think NOS makes a car original and unique to the person.
If you meant that NOS is ghey and so are the people that install it, then that's cool with me.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

QUOTE (No0bOne @ Feb 24, 2003 - 10:56 PM)

matt, your point is to rebuild it...right?

ya. i have this JUN camshaft kit. it has 264 degree cams, new racing valve springs, and valve retainers. all the parts are made out of titanium. It did cost a lot. If you want to know then go to the jun website. here is a link http://www.junauto.co.jp/products/car-type...gt-four.html?en

[FallenHero]

How does the car feel after the cam? does it idle rough?

[Neipas09]

I would imagine that any JUN upgrades would make your car run 1000% smoother and better than before.

[rlan214]

not cheating its just another mod

[Neipas09]

More power to anyone that wants to NOS their car, i need extra parts anyways.

[FallenHero]

Nitrous is not legal to have in alabama. I wonder how you transport it to the race track?

[Neipas09]

I bet if you actually race at a track then you get some kind of registration and you can show a cop that and he'll let you go to the track to use it.

[FallenHero]

I don't have $500 for nos, so i could car less. But i bet you're correct.

[Neipas09]

Even if had $500 would you really wanna use it for NOS? Probly not!
I would save another $270 and have me some projector lights.

[FallenHero]

Or skirts.

[jumpinccv]

Nah, i say it's alright to use. I mean if the person is legit. Of course even if the guy just had nitrous and nothing else then I would just have to give the guy my number and have him call me when his engine meets hitler in hell.

This post has been edited by jumpinccv: Mar 11, 2003 - 2:53 AM

[rlan214]

i'd save up 1300 $$$ for some venom vcn 2000 and do 25 hp shot

[FallenHero]

Ok, Nitrous replaces air in the fuel mixture. Nos is a better fuel for... the ... fuel. It makes for a quicker better burn, thus, making power. NOW, here is a thought: I wonder how injecting pure 02 would do?

[sirrahtap]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Mar 11, 2003 - 9:12 PM)

Ok, Nitrous replaces air in the fuel mixture. Nos is a better fuel for... the ... fuel. It makes for a quicker better burn, thus, making power. NOW, here is a thought: I wonder how injecting pure 02 would do?

i don't think it would work so well. O2 needs to be extremely cold to stay liquid. and also, with nitrous, when the nitrogen is expelled with the exhaust it carries a lot of heat with it. so without the n2 to pull heat out of your engine, it would overheat super fast.

[zigy]

HAHAHAHA With NOS or Without NOS - MY CAR IS STILL SLOW


My Modified '94 Celica ST ----- RUNS QuarterMile 15.2

((intake, headers, full exhaust, NOS, fuel pump, injectors, ignition system))


My friends STOCK 2001 Celica GTS ------- RUNS QuarterMile 15.1


NOW ISN'T THAT PATHETIC so if somene asked me not to use NOS I would smack the **** out of them...

[FallenHero]

QUOTE (zigy @ Mar 12, 2003 - 12:11 AM)

NOW ISN'T THAT PATHETIC so if somene asked me not to use NOS I would smack the **** out of them...

LOL!

[bloodrain]

I believe if its in your engine, its legal. A win is a win, it doesnt matter how you get there as long as your first across that line. It doesnt matter whats different in your engine and ****, you dont go up to someone saying "If your f15 hornet wasnt jet powered I'd be able to beat you in a race." You either win or lose, no excuses.

[Kadett]

So diggin up the past. LOL 2 years old!

[WannabeGT4]

Lazarus? Is that you? Oh, no, it's just a topic back from the dead.

Anyway since it's been brought back I'd say hide the system by putting the nozzle(s) on the underside of the intake manifold and put the bottle up behind your dash and have a WOT switch to activate it. Something like the Venom Recluse.

[o8poa8o]

i dont know who it was before that said it, but i hate when people refer to nitrous as NOS, seems like alot of the ricers that i meet, say there getting NOS, and i just look at them and say "you mean nitrous?"

lmao last friday, i was talking to some guy with an auto caviler, he told me he was getting a new ecu and nos, and i said "uh what kind of nitrous kit are you trying to get?" and he said "i dont want nitrous i want nos", and at that point, i just turned around and walked away.....

[97lestyousay]

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This post has been edited by 97lestyousay: Apr 4, 2012 - 7:31 PM

[94ST2]

First of all someone had posted NA engine with nitrous your engine is either NA or FI if you have nitrous and use it this makes it FI. Nitrous is a good mod for you car if you do it right and dont feel like going with turbo. Also someone had said it makes your car like a lot of others out there what does a turbo do? Hmm I'd say theres just as many turbos as nitrous systems give or take. Now granted that on imports nitrous is not the best way to get the most power out of your engine becuase it can not take the huge shots like the American cars with their bigger engines. Finally run what you brung and if you get beat just shut up and take it like a man.

[soulshadow]

Ive seen my friend beat a GST eclipse using NOS on his N/A 7mge Supra.
Now, if you think a turbo VS NoS is cheating like the idiot in the eclipse then you are wrong. When your racing you can use any performance mod you like, as long as the both of you don't resort to cheap tactis such as ramming into the other one.

Racing isn't about winning, or losing or who has the crappiest car. It's all about creaming your oppenent, because they were too cocky in the first place to even race you. For those who don't want to race you just because you got NoS are just a bunch of PU*SYIES.

[94ST2]

Well said I agree with you totally.

This post has been edited by 94ST2: Sep 1, 2005 - 1:06 PM

[o8poa8o]

i always thought it was about having fun and pushing your car to the limits... :-P heh, my friends dad has a 68 or 69 camaro with a 383 stroker pushing about 400hp, but he also has a 200shot of nitrous... im sorry but i dont believe its cheating, its just a cheap mod that you take a risk using, its just like taking off your intake box instead of getting a short ram or so on, cheaper, might not be as good as lets say a turbo instead of nitrous, but its a cheap, and worthy mod.

[95silvergt]

HAHAHAHA With NOS or Without NOS - MY CAR IS STILL SLOW


My Modified '94 Celica ST ----- RUNS QuarterMile 15.2

((intake, headers, full exhaust, NOS, fuel pump, injectors, ignition system))


My friends STOCK 2001 Celica GTS ------- RUNS QuarterMile 15.1


NOW ISN'T THAT PATHETIC so if somene asked me not to use NOS I would smack the **** out of them...
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nice i have the same thing as u almost but ive ran a 14.7 with my car what size shot r u using. and i love my nos kit i have to bottles in the back and dual purge. it is also push button kind so i push it when i want. i run mine wet into the fuel reel. and i dont think it is cheatings its no different then a turbo. the only good thing about a turbo is u never have to fill it back up. i dont know i like nos it wasnt givin me anyproblems. but im looking at a 5sgte soon so its whatever. besides ill be in japan in less then 7 months so its ownly getting better as well.