7AFE work in progress with PICS, Slow modem warning Options

[edo17982]

Hi all guys! here are few pics of my actual engine work. You can find details in my profile!
Post some opinions!!!!! I'll provide new pics sooooooooooon

PS. If someone can host bigger pics to be shown I can provide them

[playr158]

sweet whats the work going on........bore? port and polish? new valve seals and stems......upgrade pistons(forged)? camshaft regrind? more details

[edo17982]

7AFE internals:

-Polished and reprofiled intake & exhaust valves
-Int.manifold polished&Nichel treated
-New head with:3 angle valve job,complete P&P,Combustion chambers compared and polished,squish job,valve guides reprofiled
-Arias 4AGZE pistons bored to 82mm
-Trimetallic rod and main bearings
-Balanced rods
-Polished,lightened and balanced crankshaft

[Sev408]

how much Hp do you think that will push. Im looking to get some more power from my 7a.

[edo17982]

without turbo and with good emanage tuning....mmmm....between 150 and 160 bhp.....I'll let you know!

[97sccelica]

[edo17982]

Yes it will! I've lost like 2 libs from crank and 1.5 libs from flywheel or smthg like that...I dunno yet the cost but between 1000 and 2000$, I'll tell ya when I'll pay! I had to do cause my engine was going bad, in fact I had to trash 2 cams, oil pump and get cylinders honed and rettified crank

[playr158]

yea my engine is headed down that dark path and i'll need to rebuild some time in the semi close future....i'm thinking...bore, p&p, valves...camshaft regrind....flywheel shaved...i never heard of lightening the crank but not a bad idea......what are you doing in terms of rods??

[edo17982]

I'm keeping stock cause I don't aim to too high HP and also I'm out of money and time now

[flipside97LTD]

That's really cool man. It's nice to see someone building up a 7AFE. I'm hoping to do the same in a few months. Nice job!

[edo17982]

Another one pic:

[playr158]

what is your bore size??....piston size??? piston part number?

[edo17982]

I bored to 82mm. those Arias pistons are for 4AG engine but they work perfectly with 7afe

[playr158]

82 mm. nice how much was it money wise? how far over is that??

[doGGy]

EDO - YOU SUCK .........

I hate you I Envy you.......


But you do such a great work Bro.....

[Hanyo]

you lie.. it was not so bad with 56k modem...

can someone explain what each one of these mods are and what it does? (like 3 angle vavle.. and regrind crank)

btw.. i'm very impressed

[Digndoug]

Looks nice, but i dont know if its worth all the time and money.. to only be getting around 160hp .. but i guess your not going to be able to get to much more.... good luck

[FallenHero]

celicas have a 82mm bore anyway... So did you just have it honed?

[boosted_K2]

if edo is speaking WHP 160, which i imagine he is considering "turbo and Emanage" then that is a big deal from a 7afe. and a realistic one at that. that car will rip, id expect it to be a little faster than a standard 20V swap. great job edo!

BTW, id suggest doing something to the rods b/c thats one of the bigger known weak spots on the 7A and with all that engine work + boost, id be willing to bet a rod or a bearing will be what breaks on ya (if infact something would). i only say this cuz you dont wanna rip that motor all back apart later on to replace em, might as well do it now while its all apart.

[FallenHero]

they do make upgraded bearings I think, but the rod's would be one-off's. The only option I can think of is Cryo-treatment. That supposedly strengthens them...

[edo17982]

[FallenHero]

lol, yea, I'm stupid.

http://celica.henryvo.com/a-series.html

that's where I get all my info. See, I thought you were saying you boared it out so you could fit 4ag pistons.... which are the same size as 7a units. Sorry, my mistake.

[j_benson]

<BUMP> So how is the engine work progressing? Got everything back together yet?

[acenova]

Yea, good question. Another question is, with all this engine work and having 150-160, is that including CIA (or intake period) and exhaust, or is that just pure engine power?? And then if you were to turbo it, about how much estimated HP Gain would it have?? I'm on the market for a GT, but if it's cheaper for me to rebuild the 7a then I might just go ahead and do that, seeing as how I think I might only be able to sell my ST for like 2800 and would have to save up 2-3k for a GT anyway.

[nik]

[doGGy]

well as long as he aint updating, and we talk with him all the time i will update for him...

Everything is back together, but there was problems with the Clutch. So now engine is sitting quatly waiting for clutch to arive and Edo is out for vacations...


Im waiting too then he is going to start that beast, to hear from him about results

[edo17982]

As my friend Rom has well said I am out for holidays now and I will be back in Milano only the 21.
I had a problem with the clutch cause I got a wrong item
So I have bought a new ACT Xtreme with street race disc and it should arrive home this week.
As promised any news will be updated here with pics so stay tuned guys!!

[Sev408]

awww

edo im going to pm you later about what all you had done, the cost, and how much power your putting out from it.

[o8poa8o]

bump for this thread, edo are you going to dyno it?

then later will you turbocharge it? if you did, that'll most likely if not already be the hottest 7AFE powered ST on this site.

[scorpian3243]

hey I'm looking to do basically the same thing. Does anyone know were I can get custom connecting rods made or anything. I wanna make the engine bullet proof before I turbo, and the list is almost complete. Then I just need to the reasearch and wait for the big truck of cash to come in the spring.

[dans_st]

did you go up on the valve size? cut the valve seats bigger? and if so where did you get your valves, or do you have a part#,or where i can find this out the machine shop that is doing my head doesn't know how big i can go.

[SlowCelica94]

Gonna hot-tank the block?

[Exile04]

I need INFO where is he?????????? hahaha anyways i need to find out aobut how much its costing him to do all this to his engine so i can decied wether to go with this or getting some kind of other engine and beefing that up. Also if i should switch to a 5speed tranny or not.

[doGGy]

[scorpian3243]

Hey what else can be done in the engine. Here is one question. One of the people earlier in the post said the rods would be a week spot. Were can I get custom rods made?

Also

Did he do most of the work or did he have a mechanic do it?(This may be an idiotic question since their are pics of the engine apart ,but what the hell I might as well ask.)

And What else can be done to the internals if anything? (

(Sorry for all the questions going to do similar setup and I am new and not to familiar with the internals.)

[doGGy]

[presure2]

looking good man, thats impressive work, and nice pics!!

[KAMiX]

Very very clean

[edo17982]

hi everyone! I just came back from holidays and tomorrow the air traffic is waiting for my radar skill
Anyway...I won't be at home till friday so be patient.tomorrow the ACT clutch should arrive here. My mechanic will be back from holidays only the 30th august so I have to wait to complete the thing....
As I'll have again my engine in, I'll need immediatly a good ECU tuning cause os the major mods like head and pistons....
to everyone who's thinkin' to get 4ag pistons I just tell them that with those pistons (and 82mm bore) I have 11.06 CR....
I hope that everything will work!!! I'll keep you updated!!!

laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[edo17982]

Hi guys, sorry for long wait....my car is finally finished it will be started next week....I've had so many problems and also I'm always in Roma so I've just weekends to work on it....
Here it is a pics taken 2 weeks ago so it isn't how it will look when finished...but...better then nothing

[playr158]

SHWIIIIIINNNNG

[recneps]

so what are you doing? leaving in the high compression pistons or try a different set-up and going with the turbo?

[FallenHero]

11.06 compression??? wow, that's gonna make hella NA power, and 7a supermega torque.

[edo17982]

I think I'm gonna keep it NA so maybe I have for sell a good turbo kit guys
Saturday my baby will crank and hope everything will run fine....I'll need also someone who can program my emanage to get the best result.
I think that for Christmas I'll have my cams reground and my cam gear modified to be adjustable....
To finish the engine as NA I would do something for intake like manifold and TB but dunno....
Or better...I'd do it but where can I look for a manifold for me??? any help???

Thanks

[recneps]

you could just port out your regular intake manifold a lot. or go custom itbs with a little manifold type thing on top of them so you dont lose all your bottom end.

[doGGy]

Dont listen to him guys, he will do turbo I PROMISE

And about TB, get 4A-GE IDV trottle bodies and customise them to fit 7A, it would be best solution..


But you dont need all this, i will get that deal on RODS and we both will fly )

[edo17982]

I hope that bro...I hope....anyway I've thought about ITBs and for sure it's the best solution BUT

1) I need custom flange (brooooooooooooooo plzzzz )
2)sensor rewire and check which is a pretty long work
3)someone (I don't call names... DOGGY ) should do it with me to get a good result by comparing and share everything to get it done....

We'll see what ****in' crazy idea will get my mind!!!!

This post has been edited by edo17982: Sep 30, 2004 - 12:30 PM

[Kwanza26]

[doGGy]

[FallenHero]

Yea, granted the 7a isn't a track beast, but those do seem small. I'd have to see the 4age's tb's before I commited. (to compare size)

[doGGy]

Anyway Edo, if i AINT sell my Celica, i will be boosting, i know for sure...


And the main problems that i left is Head gasket and the RODS. I will do my best to figure this out, and we will boost, im sick of N/A already, and i dont want my engine to eat HUGE amount of fuel and still dont have the power...

gotta figure this out...

[Kwanza26]

[nik]

so how can i get a hold of one of those doggy perforence headers? you guys think there any better than the jgstool log manifolds??

[FallenHero]

[Kwanza26]

[doGGy]

[playr158]

are they turbo headers or na headers?

[FallenHero]

turbo

[FallenHero]

Hey Edo, I have a link for you. http://www.optionsauto.com/index.htm?stocknumber=BLZ-24044

That's a Blitz 3mm head gasket for a 4ag, which works on the ole 7a.it should drop your compression in wild and crazy ways.I know 2mm drops compression down to 8.7 to 1 on about a 9.5:1 engine, so 3mm would bring you way way down.

[edo17982]

Thanks bro it helps me a lot

[doGGy]

[FallenHero]

that's because it's a Blitz gasket. the HKS one I am going to use costs about $100. hey, do you guys think a head gasket with a 82mm bore would work ok on a stock 7a bottom end? Seeing as how it's a HKS gasket I think it'd be fine.

[FallenHero]

Bump.

Any news from anybody???

[playr158]

what would the gasket do on an NA would it hurt the performance with 3mm?

[Hanyo]

[FallenHero]

yea, your car would suck.







worse as far as speed goes...

[edo17982]

Here is a pic of engine finished =)

[Sev408]

so what is your overall power right now with these mods?

[nik]

have you dyno it yet? Or when will you be??

[FallenHero]

did you enlarge the valves? and DYNO!!! That way I will know if I should toss the 7a head or not.

And how does it run by the way?

This post has been edited by FallenHero: Oct 18, 2004 - 5:37 PM

[edo17982]

I din't enlarged valves, just reprofiled them and gave 3 angles job
I still haven't dynoed it but soon I will

[nik]

looking good edo cant wait for the dyno results.

[FallenHero]

and your intake manifold is stock also ehh? I am really, really interested in that dino. That way I will know if I need a 4ag head or not.

[Skate4mindgame]

celicas have a 82mm bore anyway...  So did you just have it honed?
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Actually the 7afe is a 81mm stock bore
3.19in is roughly 81.026mm when converted


annnd im a dumbass and didnt notice this thread was more then 1 page

This post has been edited by Skate4mindgame: Nov 18, 2004 - 4:14 PM

[Exile04]

ANy news on the dyno yet?

[edo17982]

I've just finished my time in Roma and I'm back in my city Milano definetly!!
World welcome the new air traffic controlle Edoardo!!!

Anyway....I haven't dynoed it yet cuz I'm searching someone to tune emanage here and it's not easy

Anyway I had a race with an MR2 year 93 3SGE engine, should be 150hp or so....
I beated her with no problems


The engine runs really well and pulls strong from 1200 to the redline. It gained much between 1000 and 3500 and even more over 4000!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm goin to switch to ITBs soon to get maximum gain, I'll let ya know guys!

This post has been edited by edo17982: Jan 16, 2005 - 9:17 AM

[Hanyo]

wow..

but still waiting for the dyno print out.. your killing us ST guys here. Its like waiting a year to watch the second movie of lord of the rings. Y must we wait so long!!

[edo17982]

While waiting for that so long waited dyno I let u all know that I found finally the solution for intake: (thanks to Doggy and Coomer )
I'll use 4AGE ITBs as shown in pics with a custom made flange by Doggy.they comes with sensors and everything and will do the job
I'll keep stock 4AGE velocity stacks and stock manifold with cover for the moment so I won't lose my bottom end torque...it will push strong at high RPMs...I'll have to set limiter to 7200 but not over to keep sane interiors...and with that I'll have a new cam profile...I'll keep ya udated!

[ghostdog]

I've just finished my time in Roma and I'm back in my city Milano definetly!!
World welcome the new air traffic controlle Edoardo!!!  
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note to self: never fly into milano airport j/k

its really nice to see your project finally coming together. can't wait to see how much power you're making, especially when you get those ITB's set up

[MonsterBOX]

hey...with all that horsepower what r u gonna do with ur tranny??? its only designed for 115 in the ST

[edo17982]

hey...with all that horsepower what r u gonna do with ur tranny??? its only designed for 115 in the ST
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we'll see if Toyota made it well!!!

[Sev408]

the 7a tranny will def hold alot more then 115 dude. edo will be fine

[doGGy]

Muahahahahah



..........sorry, but i couldnt hold on on this...... how about 7AFTE 200whp? and stock tranny?

hey...with all that horsepower what r u gonna do with ur tranny??? its only designed for 115 in the ST
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[edo17982]

Muahahahahah



..........sorry, but i couldnt hold on on this...... how about 7AFTE 200whp? and stock tranny?

hey...with all that horsepower what r u gonna do with ur tranny??? its only designed for 115 in the ST
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LOL

[FallenHero]

I really don't feel like sifting through this thing looking for the answer to my question.... What injectors are you using???

[edo17982]

Now I'm using stock with fuel press 40PSI at IDLE ant 60PSI WOT but with ITBs I'll use stock 4age or even turbo probe injectors I've at home cuz they're plug&play

This post has been edited by edo17982: Jan 18, 2005 - 5:42 PM

[nik]

wow love the work your doing edo keep it up

[FallenHero]

Now I'm using stock with fuel press 40PSI at IDLE ant 60PSI WOT but with ITBs I'll use stock 4age or even turbo probe injectors I've at home cuz they're plug&play 
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Are they plug and play with a 4ag manifold and fuel rail? In other words, most A seriese as long as they are top feed are interchangeable?

[nik]

Psi Racing had the 7afte that ran 14.4 on 14 psi they have somw stuff for the 7afte people out there.

Hey nik

Whats up, well for starters no company actually stocks it, we would have to get them custom made, I would need a factory piston from you and then I would send it out, to my piston manufacturer and they will duplicate it, in whatever compression ration I wanted, the rods I think they should have on file, so those we shouldnt need a core, just let me know exactly what you want to do.

Thanks,
Brendan Alvarez
PSIRacing

[edo17982]

Psi Racing had the 7afte that ran 14.4 on 14 psi they have somw stuff for the 7afte people out there.

Hey nik

Whats up, well for starters no company actually stocks it, we would have to get them custom made, I would need a factory piston from you and then I would send it out, to my piston manufacturer and they will duplicate it, in whatever compression ration I wanted, the rods I think they should have on file, so those we shouldnt need a core, just let me know exactly what you want to do.

                                                                  Thanks,
                                                                        Brendan Alvarez
                                                                        PSIRacing
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Man tell me more about rods...I'm interested.....

[doGGy]

MEE TOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psi Racing had the 7afte that ran 14.4 on 14 psi they have somw stuff for the 7afte people out there.

Hey nik

Whats up, well for starters no company actually stocks it, we would have to get them custom made, I would need a factory piston from you and then I would send it out, to my piston manufacturer and they will duplicate it, in whatever compression ration I wanted, the rods I think they should have on file, so those we shouldnt need a core, just let me know exactly what you want to do.

                                                                   Thanks,
                                                                         Brendan Alvarez
                                                                         PSIRacing
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Man tell me more about rods...I'm interested.....
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[nik]

PSIracing had the 7afte corrolla did 14.4 on 14-15 psi i've been e-mailing him about parts and he said he could get me the same parts that were in the rolla i could ask him if we could get a little group buy.Would you guys be interested?

[doGGy]

IM IN, totaly, but i need to know the price first..

PSIracing had the 7afte corrolla did 14.4 on 14-15 psi i've been e-mailing him about parts and he said he could get me the same parts that were in the rolla i could ask him if we could get a little group buy.Would you guys be interested?
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[nik]

I'm waiting on him to give me a price should be today some time

IM IN, totaly, but i need to know the price first..

PSIracing had the 7afte corrolla did 14.4 on 14-15 psi i've been e-mailing him about parts and he said he could get me the same parts that were in the rolla i could ask him if we could get a little group buy.Would you guys be interested?
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[trdevelopment]

im also in.

[MonsterBOX]

http://www.atomicspeedware.com/pauttoy.htm

here r u rods guys for the 7afe that no one can seem to find

[doGGy]

We all know that the PAUTER makes them, but look at the price, it is ridiculas... And pauter rods are not that good at all if you look at the price and etc..

Thanks anyway.

http://www.atomicspeedware.com/pauttoy.htm

here r u rods guys for the 7afe that no one can seem to find
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[MonsterBOX]

wow ur rights the rediculous sorry...whats ur opinion on the PRISM rods...they sell for 50 bucks a rod for the 7afe

This post has been edited by MonsterBOX: Jan 25, 2005 - 6:09 PM

[FallenHero]

Anybody mentioned how rediculously similar 2zzge rods are to the ole 7a...? If I had the measurements of a 7a rod I could tell you just how close they are. As far as I can tell though, they have the same piston pin diameter, the same crank journal diameter, and the length is half a millimeter different. I have been told that the top of the rod has to be shaved a bit to fit 7a pistons though.

[doGGy]

Where???

About what rods are ya talking? Stock Prism rods?

wow ur rights the rediculous sorry...whats ur opinion on the PRISM rods...they sell for 50 bucks a rod for the 7afe
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This post has been edited by doGGy: Jan 26, 2005 - 4:10 AM