Lowering Woes, And shock questions Options

[Coomer]

Before my car went into the body shop, I had some super high coilovers installed on it. They slammed the car so that it was probably about 2-2.5" below stock height, and the ride was really bouncy and bottomed out on everything. Last night I raised it up once I got the car out of the body shop, so now it's about stock height. The car doesn't bottom out, but the ride is still pretty bouncy though. It's definitely a lot bouncier than stock, even though it's about at stock height. It makes me wish that I hadn't lowered the car at all in the first place, at least not until I could afford new shocks to handle the drop.

I want to get some new shocks fairly soon, and I was considering Koni Yellows, so I did some research and found that they cost $300-400 just to install them! I was wondering if any shock is going to cost that much to install, or if it's just the Konis. Also, is there an alternative to the Koni Yellows that provides close to the same handling, but without adjustability(Or the higher price tag.) Thanks!

[west_minist]

Your prob. is unique to some point.

It sounds like the installation is part of the price, who knows.

Did you call a dealer?

Have you check out www.kyb.com shocks. There are also very good.

KYB GR2 (LF+RF) #365092 ($42 per)
(LR+RR) #334125 ($62 per)

It seems that the cost includes everything.

Try to find out from them what this cost is all about.


Additional reading:

http://coximport.com/kyb/t.html

http://www.kyb.com/catalog/index.html

All info is there for your model.

[1bwilson]

Your prob. is unique to some point.

It sounds like the installation is part of the price, who knows.

Did you call a dealer?

Have you check out www.kyb.com shocks. There are also very good.

KYB GR2 (LF+RF) #365092 ($42 per)
(LR+RR) #334125 ($62 per)

It seems that the cost includes everything.

Try to find out from them what this cost is all about.


Additional reading:

http://coximport.com/kyb/t.html

http://www.kyb.com/catalog/index.html

All info is there for your model.

I am also looking into shocks. Thanks that was very helpfull.

-Bryan-

[Cragspider]

Ok note to every body. The stock struts are KYB's. I noticed that when I was putting on my coilovers this past weekend.
Bryan.

[trdcelica99]

are the super highs the ones on ebay that are blue that run for about 65-85 dollars? is it possible that the bounciness is caused from the coilovers?

[JWalk1818]

Ok Well I have doen the most terriable thing LOL and cut my springs. I have almost a 2 " drop on the front and a 1.75 in the back. Ok well this weekend not to CRACKon Brain or anythign but I noticed him bouncing pretty bad, actually worse thand me. So my ? is are the coilovers worth it or not since the ride is bad!

[Coomer]

are the super highs the ones on ebay that are blue that run for about 65-85 dollars? is it possible that the bounciness is caused from the coilovers?

Yes, those are the super high ones. It could be caused by the coilovers, but I'm guessing that it's my stock struts with almost 96,000 miles on them. Thanks for pointing that out.

[west_minist]

Remember that lower spring have a high spring rate that stock.

The aim is not to bottom out.

But but also increasing te spring rate, it , bounce more. to drease this, the damper or shock must have more damping of increase damping factor. In other word, feel a little harder than stock.

Some spring rate might be a little to hiqh than others.

That is why you should go with well test suspension like Tein HA, Eibach, GroundControl , JIC and so on.

[Coomer]

Remember that  lower spring have a high spring rate that stock.

The aim is not to bottom out.

But but also increasing te spring rate, it , bounce more. to drease this, the damper or shock must have more damping of increase damping factor. In other word, feel a little harder than stock.

Some spring rate might be a little to hiqh than others.

That is why you should go with well test suspension like Tein HA, Eibach, GroundControl , JIC and so on.

I think that the spring rate in the front is 450 in the front and 350 in the back. Do those numbers sound in line with other springs for the sixth generation Celica?

[3TST]

FYI
I'm looking into either:
- a set of Koni adjustable's + lower springs (1.5" drop) from my local shop in France running out at around $1250 (plus installation)
- a set of JIC complete "bolt-on" replacement suspension (1.5" drop) running at around $1400 ($1700 for the adjustables) the set of 4 (plus shipping @$200 + installation)
Other than the difference in cost, the Koni's use part of the original KYB shocks for mounting, so I've been told, which means I can't do it myself.

[west_minist]

Remember that  lower spring have a high spring rate that stock.

The aim is not to bottom out.

But also increasing te spring rate, it , bounce more. to drease this, the damper or shock must have more damping of increase damping factor. In other word, feel a little harder than stock.

Some spring rate might be a little to hiqh than others.

That is why you should go with well test suspension like Tein HA, Eibach, GroundControl , JIC and so on.

I think that the spring rate in the front is 450 in the front and 350 in the back. Do those numbers sound in line with other springs for the sixth generation Celica?

I really do not know. It souds so, but the 450 to my believe might be for a heavier car like 1500KG or maybe 1400kg and up.

A supra guy mention that same weight to me. Also Tein RA is that weight.

If so, you need a good damper or shock to go with it. The shock that you want seems like the right price , but not quite adequate since you might want a little firmer ride or to combat bottoming out?

Installation + shocks cost=$300+

If I were you, I would go with adjustable shock to accommodate for such high spring weight for your car.

I really do not know much about the weight for the ST and GT usa models.

[JWalk1818]

Whats a good set of coilovers to get? Like a resoniable price!

[west_minist]

Groundcontrol, JIC and others.

This my believe.

Why do you want to lower your car?
- For performances and looks or vice versa.

When lowered, what will happen?
- Better ride for stability and performance
- More likely to have ruff ride and some suspension problems?

What should I pay?
- wait and save. Spend cheap and and get ulcers. Let chris tell you. bang, bang, bang!

- I believe that a good suspension will cost you over $300.

If you want, try a lower spring (Eibach, Intrax, H&R and so on) with a good shock like what is mention about.

Prices depends on where you buy your shocks from.

Try www.google.com to find site that sells shock or suspension kits.

JIC looks like pretty good shock.

Even better, try to find out from celica owner if the ST, GT and GTfour suspension setup is the same. Once so, you have unlimit parts.

I think GT owner have rear disk brakes. Again, we have alot of Japanese GT here usning the 3SFE and 3SGE engines using Rear Disk Brakes. I am not sure on the suspension.

All of this info can then go into the 6gc,net information center for ST, GT, GTfour suspension setup.

Sounds good?

[1bwilson]

Whats a good set of coilovers to get? Like a resoniable price!

Go with GC. It will be the best decision that you will make regarding your suspension.

-Bryan-

[west_minist]

GC us a very good low cost suspension.

Suspension is a very subjective topic.

Do some research and make a decision from there.

Buy a good suspension set or setup. it worth the wait.

[Mynzeyes]

yeah, i can atest to the Ground Controls being a little bit better quality, that is what i'm on, i'm dropped all the way (about 2.5") and my car is not too bouncy..it does bottom out on somet things, but you learn how to keep it from doing that, such as slowing down 10mph, hitting the bump in the right spot, etc..i am still on stock struts, if anyone is wondering, and they seem to be holding up, other than a loud THUD when hitting a big bump, the car actually rides very very well.. worth the 400 i spent (free shipping cause my 3day shippiing took 4 days. i wouldn't have been mad, but it was the difference from a friday to a monday. ) ANYWAY...um...so yeah, my advice is, save up, but if you want somethin now, go w/ the cheapies...but save up or somethin...in the long run it'll be worth it...
-John-

[west_minist]

Say it.

[JWalk1818]

GROUND CONTROLS on Eaby are like 155, is it the real thing?

[west_minist]

GROUND CONTROLS on Eaby are like 155, is it the real thing?

Can you send me the link?

Have you check out the part list on 6gc.net for suspension?

Have you check out JIC to?

Either way, I am not sure. Can you search the web for pricing and compare them?

[JWalk1818]

Heres the LINK: Dropzone

[1_Winged_Angel]

Those are DZ's, not GC's

[JWalk1818]

OH Crap I misread im sorry my bad! Well are they any good!

[1_Winged_Angel]

The problem with DZ's are you get what you pay for. I hear they make annoying coilover noises, and after a while, the 2 rings that adjust the ride height get weathered, off track, and stuck. There are other things too, but that should be enough.

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[west_minist]

Heres the LINK: Dropzone

They looks pretty good.

Go for them.

But please remember, you should get proper shocks like KYB, Koni and so on to go with the setup, otherwise, you will reget it as you go from 1 - 4".

[west_minist]

To combat noise, some manufactures uses the bumper shock rubber, an extra small "helper" spring and other little technique to combat that problem.

Any coilover with groves will get block with mud and so on. You must keep them clean.

[celicaBEst]

those look really good jason...

i wanna lower my car, just don't have the money to go with the full suspension yet...GC's are the way to go?

-Brian

[1_Winged_Angel]

Gc's are the way to go...even if they are a little more expensive, they are still really cheap for coilovers.

[CDNSLEEKA]

Why not try Eibach springs,SportLines 1.5 drop and either KONI yellows or KYB shocks

[94celicaguy]

i lowered my car this past weekend and it is hell on the road. i know for a fact that it is not the coilovers. i got the ground control springs everyone is talking about on ebay. the ride is so rough on our cars because the shocks. if u get a chance to look at the shock, see how much of the actual shock that you can see. i think i only have about 2 inches that my shock can take a bump with until it bottoms out. this will be the same with any other shock, but the higher performance shocks will have a higher density inside the shock which will take more of the hit than factory.

[Coomer]

i lowered my car this past weekend and it is hell on the road. i know for a fact that it is not the coilovers. i got the ground control springs everyone is talking about on ebay. the ride is so rough on our cars because the shocks. if u get a chance to look at the shock, see how much of the actual shock that you can see. i think i only have about 2 inches that my shock can take a bump with until it bottoms out. this will be the same with any other shock, but the higher performance shocks will have a higher density inside the shock which will take more of the hit than factory.

That's good to know that it's not just my cheap coilovers and it happens on Ground Controls too. Pretty soon I'll need to buy new struts.

[ghostdog]

Just wanted to mention that it seems like the springs/coilovers settle over time. In the beginning my ground controls were REALLY bouncy, but now they are much better. I still make a concious effort to drive on good roads and slow down for bumps, but other than that its a pretty good ride. Also re: Koni yellows. I hear only good things about them. But keep in mind they are about 600 for a set, and install will be another 300. Thats almost a grand just for the shocks, but let me reiterate from what I hear they are well worth it.

[Coomer]

Just wanted to mention that it seems like the springs/coilovers settle over time. In the beginning my ground controls were REALLY bouncy, but now they are much better. I still make a concious effort to drive on good roads and slow down for bumps, but other than that its a pretty good ride. Also re: Koni yellows. I hear only good things about them. But keep in mind they are about 600 for a set, and install will be another 300. Thats almost a grand just for the shocks, but let me reiterate from what I hear they are well worth it.

Do you know if all new shocks are going to cost around that much to install? Is it the same installation procedure for all shocks, or are the Konis harder to install?

[ghostdog]

Do you know if all new shocks are going to cost around that much to install? Is it the same installation procedure for all shocks, or are the Konis harder to install?

KYBs are direct replacements so they pop right in; but they are the exact same shocks as OEM so you probably won't notice too much of an improvement. Koni Yellows, the fronts are direct replacement, they can be self installed, no problem. The back pair are the expensive ones as the strut housing needs to be cut open and then welded shut, a real pain in the ass. I could have mixed the front/back up so don't take my advice word for word, but you get the general idea...

I'll let ya'll know how much it sets me back when I get my Koni Yellows installed in the spring. I'm expecting it to be about 300 though...