 motor transplant possibility..., non toyota motor in celica?!!? |
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 Aug 9, 2004 - 10:43 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%)  |
i am curious if anyone has ever seen a non toyota motor fitted into our gen celica or corolla for that matter. i am intrested in fitting a jdm nissan sr20de motor into my st. the motor mounts seem to be in fairly the same locations. a usdm wireharness is cheap and easy to come by. other than mounting it, and getting a tranny with axles that will work what else would have to be taken into consideration?
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Aug 9, 2004 - 10:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well, honestly, I don't think the sr can be swapped, it dosent mount up horizontally, and you don't have enough room to mount it the way it needs to be
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Aug 9, 2004 - 11:09 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
i think someone put a s2000 engine in, which in a celica would be a HUGE benefit in the power to weight ratio and solves our low redline point and aftermarket issues...but i'm not sure who did it or if it was in a rolla
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Aug 9, 2004 - 11:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
there are FWD and RWD sr20's... |
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Aug 9, 2004 - 11:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
go crazy, do the sr20 swap WITH RWD:) then turbo that sucka
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Aug 9, 2004 - 11:22 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
anything is possible....but would you really wanna put a non toyota motor? i can hear people making more fun towards our cars. "see toyota cant make a fast motor thats why you have to use a honda/nissan motor" its just not cool.
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
im not looking to do if for others approval. and that comment is true IMO. toyota made the 2jz and the 3sgte which are awesome motors. but there godly expensive too.
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:20 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
First off , unless with a ton of money, Eather a s2k engine or sr engine will fit, there both made for rear.. Also the 3s-gte is a ton easier, an ton betterm also drops right in.. duhh!
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:27 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 27, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
What would inspire you to put a nissan motor into your Celica anyway? The SR20 isn't that cheap either.
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
not all sr20 motors are RWD!!! there are plenty or FWD nissan sr20 motors too... i drive a se-r daily now and this is my inspiration to put the motor in my celica. its an awesome well known and supported motor. also they could be found cheap. i got my jdm sr20de for 350 bucks plus shipping. well i find out i can get it shipped for free now so theres 161 dollars saved towards other things like a new flywheel or something.... |
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:33 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Don't follow hype over motors...I started reading up again on super street & etc mags & all they talk about is honda & nissan (srd20 w/e it is) why? cause people are too stupid sometimes to know what they want & get what other people have (ex: honda civic's everywhere with the same kits & etc.) If you want the motor for some specific reason, then hey as they always seem to say.."if you got money, anything is possible" but don't let your motives be driven by the crowd. Like everyone else is suggesting, 3s-gte is deffinetly a reliable & most obvious choice for a motor since is a swap & drop with out too much extra labor over it.
Just wondering though...well what yota asked. ^_^ |
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
so back to topic... lets say that the axles are a good lenght, and it does bolt in. are there anythings im overlooking that are going to be difficult?
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:47 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
as stated above, i DD a FWD jdm sr20de. 7500redline 140hp and 132tq. factory rating. reallife usually it gets that or better to the ground. stock 5speed with LSD, the machine a great platform.. so now the bashing is done i hope.. what other problems are there to possible run into? |
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Aug 10, 2004 - 12:49 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Er,, you get better hp at the wheels than at the crank?
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Aug 10, 2004 - 1:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 27, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
I understand there are SR20 in FWD...
Just keep it in your Sentra. -------------------- |
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Aug 10, 2004 - 1:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
can you just swap that wiring harness?
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Aug 10, 2004 - 1:29 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Everyone really needs to get over the 3SGTE and quit beating a dead horse. At least one person's gotta say "better go 3SGTE" in every topic conerning a motor swap... and let's face it... a majority of those people have never even sat in a car powered by one... so just quit it... ok? It's not the sort of thing that nobody knows about and you must explain it to them.
Back on topic: The SR20DE is a great little motor. Only drawbacks... it'll be a custom swap into a chassi that is not better in any way to a Sentra, 200sx, or Q20. Aside from looking cool... it has no advantages (the celica chassi). -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 10, 2004 - 1:33 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From KC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what else to consider? Electrical, radiator/cooling hoses, exhaust, all accessories, axles, shift linkage,,, pretty much everything would have to be fabricated or adapted, sure, it CAN be done, the answer to the question "Will it fit?" is ALWAYS yes, but it is the wrong question, you need to ask, "What will it cost and how long will it take and will the results be worth it?"
Check this out for Will it fit? : V8 Motorcycle Saw this in Wisconsin, turned out the guy lived about 70 miles from me in Missouri. |
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Aug 10, 2004 - 1:41 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
how is the sr20de a great motor? he's getting like 20 extra hp, with a full custom swap, thats crap. I mean, way to be original, but, swap something original worth your time
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Aug 10, 2004 - 1:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ahaha... speak further only if you know what you're talking about. I could just explain... but I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself tonight... would you care to explain why it isn't a worthy swap? -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 10, 2004 - 2:11 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what a cop out, redeem yourself tonight by telling me
but let me correct myself, when I said he's only gain like 20 hp, let me be more specific, he was right about the numbers 7500 redline 140/132 so it would be obviously a gain of more than 20 hp, but still not worth it. I'm sorry if I'm discouraging you, do what you want, its a better engine than the 5s, but I still don't see enough ends to justify the the means -------------------- [img]http://photos-081.facebook.com/n6/081/n15913038_30266081_3342.jpg[/img]
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Aug 10, 2004 - 2:12 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the sr20 is a kick ass engine
strong as a 3sgte, WAY MORE PARTS AVAILABLE cheaper than a 3sgte(fwd sr20's anyway) light engine capable of the same hp as a 3sgte when u turbo it or, leave it at stock and have a lighter car, with more power, and better aftermarket for NA tuning. if you get a USDM harness, it would help out a lot. the mounting positions may be similar, but i doubt they are perfect hold the engine in there with a hoist, and keep it where the axles would have a straight shot to the hubs. and make the engine mounts to hold the engine there(if the ST engine is still in the car, measure everything out, buy a spare cross member from another celica and work with that for the engine mounts.) then get some good custom axles oh and he has an ST, so its a 40hp gain, and yea, sr20's are underrated my friends and i are working on a 280zx-t engine swap into a 240z. the harness was a usdm harness, all we had to do was drill a hole in the firewall everything looked perfect, as though the engine was meant to be there from the factory. but we cant get spark. we are working on it. hopefully we will have it soon. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 10, 2004 - 2:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
How about forged internals good for 500 HP? Assuming you match with pistons for forced induction of course... or maybe n/a possibilities... you know this is a BIG BIG tuner engine in Japan right? Parts up the ying yang? Up the compression... throw down some knarly cams... ITBs... on and on. It has the sort of aftermarket support and potential a lot of toyota motors simply don't. Who cares about stock specs... and even at stock, that engine in a Sentra SE-R or 200sx SE-R can outrun a lot of the cars in its class... even with today's HP wars. It's a VERY popular AutoX motor too... and they were huge in the mid 90's. The sort of cult following bestowed upon another underpowered 4 banger... called the 4AG... To put it simply... the SR20's are tuner motors... the sort of thing Toyota Stopped making since the early ninties... it has the bore/stroke for good torque out-put, yet it maintains a good bottom end for high-end revving and horsepower potential. Just cause it isn't called 3SG... doesn't mean it can't work well in a Celica (however... pointless that may be, IMO). Just cause it doesn't meet your specific tastes... doesn't make it "not worth while." The SR20 happens to just be one of those motors that can be built well for anything within a decent budget... and there aren't a lot of those... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 10, 2004 - 2:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'm sure the fwd sr is cheaper than the 3s, but (and I'm sorry to beat a dead horse) add all your cost for labor, even if the sr come close to mounting up, and the cost of parts to properly turbo the sr20, to reach the extra 60 hp, and your at the cost of the 3s (if not more), with more of a headache.
but I don't care, if he wants to do it, more power to him, and I'm sure if he's seriously considering this, he's already done more research than all of us combined. -------------------- [img]http://photos-081.facebook.com/n6/081/n15913038_30266081_3342.jpg[/img]
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Aug 10, 2004 - 2:30 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
and another note, I really hope he does do it, just to have a different type of celica swap documented. I realize that the sr20 is popular tuning engine, I just can't see it being worth the time for all of that aftermarket support, and its not like the 3s has no aftermarket support
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Aug 10, 2004 - 2:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That's understood... and it's all good... but the point I was trying to make was... Celica swaps do not, and should not start and stop with that one motor. There are greater things to a motor swap than gaining power alone... hell... I wanted to swap in a 4AGE into my Celica for the longest time, even though it would have most likely slowed my car down. Anyway, we (other members) should be here to invite new ideas instead of "beat the dead horse." Not all swaps turn out well... but IMO, the process of doing the swap is a learning experience all worth the while... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 10, 2004 - 6:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 16, '03 From Bay area Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
sorry for stealing this thread
oh man i'm am going to get grilled so bad for saying this..  why cant you swap a b18c1 motor in to our celica's? its the same size as the 7afe and has 70 more HP and 3ooo more rpm.. plus you get all the cheap after market benifits of honda. other then the point, what is wrong with swaping a different brand motor in a car? i would understand electrical issues and mounting issues. but with most people with swaps they alway get custom hybread axels. |
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Aug 10, 2004 - 9:25 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
im seriously looking into it more and more... im getting a usdm complete harness for 40 bucks! an ecu will run about 60 too. im shy of a tranny axles and a few other things, and if the swap doesnt work out ill always have parts for my nissan. plus all the parts are very liquid on the other boards. its something im pondering and im in no rush. all labor will be done by myself so there a large saving.
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Aug 11, 2004 - 7:48 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From San Diego CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i say do the SR20 Swap there is tons of after market and even nissan dealers sell the parts over the counter which is a good plus. now as far as making it fit i say it will work with no cutting of the firewall my only concern to you is will the radiator fit?!??!?! ive seen the SR20 header when mounted on a FWD car and there is a tight fit between the header and the radiator. but other then that it would be a good sleeper. buy a few bolt ons. Increase the displacement and a small turbo mmmmmmmmm sleeper heaven. plus who was that guy that had the hyundia accent with a DSM motor off a GST i believe early 90s to mid 90s. cant remeber the engine code. the dude was from LA but can you imagine having a hyundai accent with all that power and killing v8s and vettes must be fun.
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Aug 11, 2004 - 8:06 PM
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It seems to me like you'd have a hard time getting the interior(gauge cluster, climate control, etc.) stuff to work. Would the Celica's gauge cluster be able to function correctly off of a Nissan ECU with some wiring changes?
And yeah, I agree that the SR20DE is a strong motor. I've been doing lots of reading on the G20.net forums about this motor, and everyone there loves it, except those who swap in SR20DET engines(easily, in comparison to a swap on a Celica.) 
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Aug 11, 2004 - 9:32 PM
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Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
Oh, and this may be of help.
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Aug 11, 2004 - 10:34 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 18, '03 From Dirty Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the sr20de is a freakin awesome engine...one of my budies has it in his car...also i think the sr20de is for the fwd and rwd and the sr20det(the turbo version) is only rear wheel...but if im not mistaken the tranny from the de will fit the det that way u could mount the det transverse keepin the car fwd. on of the guys in my city got in an hit by somone and it totaled his 99 prelude...he sued and got a but load of money... but instead of gettin a nice car like the lude again he got a 92 sentra for 500 bucks...he the procedded to get the front clip of a TT skyline and swap the motor to the sentra...as of right now he has the fastest car in roanoke...and we have a 600 hp supra here too...the sentra will wip that supras but... just to tell u that anything is possible and to go for it...i have contimplated the swap many times but seing as how i am a poor college student i cant afford it. ogood luck in whatever u decide to do.
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