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post Aug 12, 2004 - 7:23 AM
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well, my best friend bought RSX-S (preveusly he drove Civic SiR b16A). So now we got in a talk who would win - my Celica with Turbo kit or RSX-S?? What do you think guys... Im planing to run about 160-180 hp with my Celi. His RSX MAY BE still stock, maybe some basic mods (CAI, Exhaust and etc)...

So, i was just thinking, maybe i should ask you turbo guys who raced the Trex, maybe you will give some sugestions...

Thanks..


P.S. Race will be on 1/4 mile road.

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post Aug 12, 2004 - 7:40 AM
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Thats a huge increase for the ST engine, dyno it and post some sheets.

IMO he'll still win; especially off the line since he's got N/A while u gotta wait for the spool up, even if it is a couple seconds it still makes a difference.

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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 12, 2004 - 5:40 AM)
Thats a huge increase for the ST engine, dyno it and post some sheets.

IMO he'll still win; especially off the line since he's got N/A while u gotta wait for the spool up, even if it is a couple seconds it still makes a difference.

Spool on ST is instant, practicly all ST-T where starting to spool up on about 2500 rpm... and Torque difference will be big, as long as RSX has about 140 Nm torq... and ST running at the stock internas and 6 psi already has about 160 Nm....


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post Aug 12, 2004 - 8:27 AM
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i think its going to be close.. doggy your 7afe is the same one we have here in the states... your vid clips have proven that... i would look to see that race have some one recored it...


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QUOTE (macavely @ Aug 12, 2004 - 6:27 AM)
i think its going to be close.. doggy your 7afe is the same one we have here in the states... your vid clips have proven that... i would look to see that race have some one recored it...

Mac, that race will be recorded for sure... And my 7a is still N/A for now, and these vids dont show anything beside that it is slow as ****...biggrin.gif Well, if everything alright i will make another custom turbo header this weekend (for my car) and i will try to run all the missing IC piping too. After that only thing that will be left is to install my kit and dyno tune it. So i will let ya guys know ow much HP i will gain.


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post Aug 12, 2004 - 9:04 AM
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Exactly "almost instant" whereas he has 200hp instantly. The JDM CT26 is nearly fully spooled at 3K so I know its pretty quick, the ceramic turbine helps.


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post Aug 12, 2004 - 9:51 AM
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i think you can take him doggy


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post Aug 12, 2004 - 10:17 AM
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agreed.. I think ud take it
post Aug 12, 2004 - 10:54 AM
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I think it'll be a close race. Is the RSX-S completely stock? Those things get pretty good gains from simple bolt-ons.


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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 12, 2004 - 7:04 AM)
Exactly "almost instant" whereas he has 200hp instantly. The JDM CT26 is nearly fully spooled at 3K so I know its pretty quick, the ceramic turbine helps.

He won't reach reach 200 hp instantly. Won't he have to rev it pretty high until he hits that mark?
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QUOTE (BlackSTX @ Aug 12, 2004 - 10:00 AM)
QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 12, 2004 - 7:04 AM)
Exactly "almost instant" whereas he has 200hp instantly. The JDM CT26 is nearly fully spooled at 3K so I know its pretty quick, the ceramic turbine helps.

He won't reach reach 200 hp instantly. Won't he have to rev it pretty high until he hits that mark?

Yeah, he'll reach peak horsepower at 7,400 RPM.


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I know that wight isnt to much of in issue, but an rsx does have about 300 pounds.. with a very lil trq.. but hondas can still haul.. I would love to see the race though..
post Aug 12, 2004 - 2:40 PM
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post Aug 12, 2004 - 3:03 PM
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i'll put my money on doggy

http://www.todaracing.com/products/honda_k...engine_kit.html

DYNO RESULTS (power at the wheels)

2002 RSX Type-S Horse Power Torque ft/lbs

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post Aug 12, 2004 - 5:46 PM
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You'll get spanked... ;]

Now for a story... we have a K20A2 (RSX-S motor) powered 2003 Civic SI with bolt-ons (CAI, Header, exhaust) and Hondata K-Pro (they're actually better than Toda's ECU programs). Car has not been tracked yet... but I'll gurantee you... at least a mid 14 second car. He's gonna be making a lot of power on you... and then some. As for peak power... matters mostly for one gear (1st)... after that... honda trannies are geared short so they stay in their power-band. Torque also will be of little factor.

and nik: that post to the Toda website should solidify the reason why the RSX-S will win. It'll make nearly 200 horses to the wheels with bolt-ons, which Doggy says his friend will most likely have. Either way... a Turbo 7AFE at 8psi or so is only gonna make around 180 hp at the crank... which the RSX-s still has a large advantage over.


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post Aug 12, 2004 - 8:07 PM
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lots of torque tho...
post Aug 12, 2004 - 8:23 PM
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yeah the torque will help. The lack of torque that the rsx kinda evens out the lower HP that ddoggy has. I think it'll be really close
post Aug 12, 2004 - 8:31 PM
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Have you guys ever driven an RSX-S? The lack of torque only really feels apparent in the lower part of first gear. From VTEC in first until you decide you're going fast enough, the car pulls pretty hard. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Jeremy1210 @ Aug 13, 2004 - 1:23 AM)
yeah the torque will help. The lack of torque that the rsx kinda evens out the lower HP that ddoggy has. I think it'll be really close

Grrr... I just gotta keep explaining shiat to people... doesn't work that way... pointless argument... on and on.

The RSX-S's torque does NOT work against him. Why not? It's all in the gearing. The tranny will be geared to utilize the horsepower... and less of the torque. How? geared really short. In comparison... the 7AFTE tranny will not be geared to best utilize the torque cause it was not designed for that powerband... It'll be as best you can get... but i'll bet slightly taller gearing will get better acceleration out of a turbo 7AFE. Honda's short gearing will almost always make it a Horsepower race.

Just consider... if torque meant so much, wouldn't a Tractor or something be able walk all over high Horsepower cars? it's all in the gearing...


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You guys should read this. It's got some really good knowledge in there. smile.gif

Note the last paragraph:

"It's better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm, because you can take advantage of gearing."


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QUOTE (Coomer @ Aug 13, 2004 - 1:41 AM)
You guys should read this. It's got some really good knowledge in there. smile.gif

Note the last paragraph:

"It's better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm, because you can take advantage of gearing."

Ahhh... AMEN Coomer... ;]


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well, that RSX mostly will be stock, (maybe somthing like CAI and exhaust MAYBE). Well.... We will see smile.gif Gonna video tape this race for sure, and if my ass gonna get haulted, then i will blow my motor for sure smile.gif)

By the way Kwanza....... Zipstrip...6 psi 160hp .... with stock injectors...

Myne setup includes way more then this smile.gif


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Doggy i have faith in you
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QUOTE (neoklis @ Aug 12, 2004 - 11:23 PM)
Doggy i have faith in you

ya i have faith in my self too biggrin.gif But im not sure...... if i do everything as i planed, then i think i will be able to win, if not... then frown.gif


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lol

i raced an RSX type S that was lightly modded

he cut me off as he was accelerating away while i was going 60mph

i slowed down cuz he almost hit me, so from 50mph to 115mph i caught up to him and passed him(passed him around 100mph) and believe me, he was trying. he looked over in awe as i passed him.

btw that was in my ST-T at 7.5psi


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post Aug 13, 2004 - 9:02 AM
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There we go, I was just waiting to here a kill story from 97 tongue.gif
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i think you may win because he will be unfamiliar with the car, but once he gets used to it i think the RSX-S would probably win


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post Aug 13, 2004 - 10:14 AM
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OK thats it tonight i'm going to meet up with my friend matt he has 03 rsx type s w intake (injen) exhaust (ractive) for modds i'll get someone to video tape it.The little 7afte is going to battle tonight mad.gif biggrin.gif if i win or loose we will put some of this to rest

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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 13, 2004 - 8:14 AM)
OK thats it tonight i'm going to meet up with my friend matt he has 03 rsx type s w intake (injen) exhaust (ractive) for modds i'll get someone to video tape it.The little 7afte is going to battle tonight mad.gif biggrin.gif if i win or loose we will put some of this to rest

Are you still running 5.5 PSI?


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7psi but i'm turning it up to 8 for the race
SORRY doggy i didnt mean to steal your thread just tired of people talking bad about the 1.8L ST

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got the vid yet tongue.gif
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o yea post the what happens in here or in the OT, oh and doggy you'll win he'll get distracted by how sexy your car is
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Grrr... I just gotta keep explaining shiat to people... doesn't work that way... pointless argument... on and on.

The RSX-S's torque does NOT work against him. Why not? It's all in the gearing. The tranny will be geared to utilize the horsepower... and less of the torque. How? geared really short. In comparison... the 7AFTE tranny will not be geared to best utilize the torque cause it was not designed for that powerband... It'll be as best you can get... but i'll bet slightly taller gearing will get better acceleration out of a turbo 7AFE. Honda's short gearing will almost always make it a Horsepower race.


Thanks for letting me know. I always thought more torque was better than just High HP
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RSX-S rules. my buddy has one with an aftermarket exhaust, some minor bolt ons, and he's giving my friend with a LS1 powered z28 a run for his money. very nice car.
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QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Aug 15, 2004 - 2:45 PM)
RSX-S rules. my buddy has one with an aftermarket exhaust, some minor bolt ons, and he's giving my friend with a LS1 powered z28 a run for his money. very nice car.

I highly doubt that.. Both my friends with those engines have no problem smoking ANY hondas..S2000's either.


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QUOTE (97Celica @ Aug 15, 2004 - 12:58 PM)
QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Aug 15, 2004 - 2:45 PM)
RSX-S rules.  my buddy has one with an aftermarket exhaust, some minor bolt ons, and he's giving my friend with a LS1 powered z28 a run for his money.  very nice car.

I highly doubt that.. Both my friends with those engines have no problem smoking ANY hondas..S2000's either.

k, well, as i stated before. he gives him a run for his money. the rsx-s has modifications, the LS1 is completely bone stock. it is an interesting race, the camaro usually winds up pulling on him, but not by much.
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sinner what kind of mod's does the rsx-s have?

oh and is this on the high way or drag? cause on highway he'd possible have a chance, but on a drag? i mean a F-Body is made for draggin, lol

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QUOTE (o8poa8o @ Aug 15, 2004 - 1:07 PM)
sinner what kind of mod's does the rsx-s have?

oh and is this on the high way or drag? cause on highway he'd possible have a chance, but on a drag? i mean a F-Body is made for draggin, lol

nah, these aren't straight from a dead stop.. mostly just 30-40mph pulls. plus, my buddy with his z28 is kind of a n00b at shifting..

i've seen slips of the RSX-S tho, with exhaust/header/intake doing 15's / 14's (with some really good driving).

i believe the LS1's are somewhere in the 13's, if i remember right..
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well well, doGGy, when I can come and see the race?



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yea a well driven ls1 fbody should be in the mid-high 13's...
what do rsx-s do stock round a high 15-low 16?
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QUOTE (o8poa8o @ Aug 15, 2004 - 9:47 PM)
yea a well driven ls1 fbody should be in the mid-high 13's...
what do rsx-s do stock round a high 15-low 16?

Spoken like a true ignorant person...

RSX-S runs high 14's low 15's STOCK... and they make crazy power with stupid bolt-ons... which means the motor is very very de-tuned from the factory. RSX-S's have been dynoed to gain 20 whp from something as simple as a Cold Air Intake...


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Kwanza26 i dont think that its possible for a car to get 20whp just from a Cold Air Intake,no WAY...smile.gif
About the race....my spirit is with you Romas:)
I raced once RSX Type r with my GT-4,just for fun and until the next traffic lights i was 4 cars in front of him:)...
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QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Aug 15, 2004 - 10:48 PM)
QUOTE (o8poa8o @ Aug 15, 2004 - 9:47 PM)
yea a well driven ls1 fbody should be in the mid-high 13's...
what do rsx-s do stock round a high 15-low 16?

Spoken like a true ignorant person...

RSX-S runs high 14's low 15's STOCK... and they make crazy power with stupid bolt-ons... which means the motor is very very de-tuned from the factory. RSX-S's have been dynoed to gain 20 whp from something as simple as a Cold Air Intake...

There's no need to be mean. He was just kind of asking if they ran around high 15s or low 16s. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Magic @ Aug 15, 2004 - 11:01 PM)
Kwanza26 i dont think that its possible for a car to get 20whp just from a Cold Air Intake,no WAY...smile.gif
About the race....my spirit is with you Romas:)
I raced once RSX Type r with my GT-4,just for fun and until the next traffic lights i was 4 cars in front of him:)...

yeah.. aem CAI adds 15whp..

hondata upgrade/exhaust/header and you're looking at some nice gains. it actually does respond well to bolt ons.
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QUOTE (Coomer @ Aug 16, 2004 - 6:03 AM)
There's no need to be mean. He was just kind of asking if they ran around high 15s or low 16s. wink.gif

I'll apologize for that. I get kinda grumpy when people just go off on something because it wears an "H" badge... at least in a way. Anyways... yeah... for those who care and wanna know... we at Thao's Smog Automotive have a K20A2 (RSX-S motor) powered 03 Civic SI that will easily lay down a low 14 second pass on street radials.

Story: We did a Jackson Racing Supercharger Install on an 04 Civic SI yesterday (saturday 14th) and even at 6 psi of boost, the car we did the install on was pulled 4 cars by my cousin's 03 K20A2 Civic SI (with CAI, Header, exhaust, and Hondata). I have pics of the install... and it's proof that even a bigger torque band will need many other things to win in a race... and that horsepower definately plays a role in drag racing... I will agree, that a well driven and built LS1 camaro will beat an RSX-S just with shear overwhelming power and torque... but that's not saying there's no way an RSX-S can beat a Camaro. Have you even seen a fully built LSVTEC Civic hatch with stage 2 Toda valvetrain run down a built 13 second Supercharged 5.0 Mustang? I have... and seeing is worth more than imagining...

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QUOTE (Magic @ Aug 15, 2004 - 10:01 PM)
Kwanza26 i dont think that its possible for a car to get 20whp just from a Cold Air Intake,no WAY...smile.gif
About the race....my spirit is with you Romas:)
I raced once RSX Type r with my GT-4,just for fun and until the next traffic lights i was 4 cars in front of him:)...

AEM V2 intake for the RSX type S adds 18.5 whp

at the peak

and through out the powerband it has great gains.

its not a bad car, but my ST-T was faster, faster than the type S, and faster than my WRX from a roll.

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QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Aug 15, 2004 - 10:31 PM)
Have you even seen a fully built LSVTEC Civic hatch with stage 2 Toda valvetrain run down a built 13 second Supercharged 5.0 Mustang? I have... and seeing is worth more than imagining...

i havent,

but i saw a stripped hatch with drag slicks and a jdm H22 running open exhaust at LACR, which is a crappy track, and at high elevation

it ran 13's all night

not sure if anything was done inside the engine, but it hauled


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HAHAHAH guys this tread is growing quickly smile.gif Well, my friend and i are still debating whos gonna win too smile.gif) Well, we can talk about this for hours, but we gonna wait and see smile.gif


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*UPDATE* Well my race is on hold my friend just got something new i dont know what. He said it was a surprise for our race and now he whats to put money on the race.


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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 5:52 AM)
*UPDATE* Well my race is on hold my friend just got something new i dont know what. He said it was a surprise for our race and now he whats to put money on the race.

well, you have an upgraded fuel pump, so you could definately raise the boost to help

but you are probably running very rich right now

what kind of gauges do you have?

do you have an AFR gauge to get a ballpark idea of where you are AFR wise?

if you do, raise the boost to 10psi for the race, and put 1 or 2 petco check valves on the vacuum line that goes to the FMU, using a AFR gauge, just make sure you dont see any red by testing it before the race

that way you can have a suprise for him

did he already have intake and exhaust? after that, mods for taht car start to get $$$, he could have gotten a header, or a reflashed ECU

either way, it is possible that he could have gotten a worth while mod.

and thats exactly why you should kick it up a notch

how much money does he want to bet?

oh wait a minute

i just noticed that you have 2.25inch exhaust

REMOVE IT, if you have a cat still, unbolt that too, and just run midpipe

nothin hit harder on my ST-T than when i drove around with open DP

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not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i running pretty rich right now timing is 6 (normal being 10) little problem i was running 7-8 psi yesterday and i'm getting smoke under boost i replaced the pcv valve helped for a while now the smoke is back any ideas??


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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:05 AM)
not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i running pretty rich right now timing is 6 (normal being 10) little problem i was running 7-8 psi yesterday and i'm getting smoke under boost i replaced the pcv valve helped for a while now the smoke is back any ideas??

do a compression test and check for shaft play in the turbo.


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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 16, 2004 - 10:32 AM)
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not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i running pretty rich right now timing is 6 (normal being 10) little problem i was running 7-8 psi yesterday and i'm getting smoke under boost i replaced the pcv valve helped for a while now the smoke is back any ideas??

do a compression test and check for shaft play in the turbo.

or should i do a leak down test i think i might have an oil leak in my turbo


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QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Aug 16, 2004 - 6:31 AM)
I'll apologize for that. I get kinda grumpy when people just go off on something because it wears an "H" badge... at least in a way.

confused.gif I wasn't going off on it. I drove a 90 prelude for awhile, and my friends got a integra gsr (w/ vtec is it gsx or something?), and a kid i know has a 94 prelude Si w/ catback, cai, and maybe a few more small mod's, and he beats this kid w/ a brand new eclispe gts all the time... i have much respect for honda/integra's (sometimes not for fart canned civic's), and i seriously didn't know what a RSX-S runs, i was guessing that they would run around a high 15, which isn't bad, im sorry if im ignorant i've just never really looked at a RSX so i dont know there stat's or times.
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Yea 97 quick Q.. Did you retard your timing at all???? If so how much, what was your timing set at running boost?? Thanks bro
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QUOTE (hyp3rk1d @ Aug 16, 2004 - 5:55 PM)
Yea 97 quick Q.. Did you retard your timing at all???? If so how much, what was your timing set at running boost?? Thanks bro

since i have a 97 celica, it had obd2, no way to change the timing, but the ECU controls it based on sensor inputs

so it things get hot, or if too much knock is detected, then it retards timing.

you have a 94, so you can retard the timing, and i suggest retarding it like 5 degrees

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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:42 AM)
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not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i running pretty rich right now timing is 6 (normal being 10) little problem i was running 7-8 psi yesterday and i'm getting smoke under boost i replaced the pcv valve helped for a while now the smoke is back any ideas??

do a compression test and check for shaft play in the turbo.

or should i do a leak down test i think i might have an oil leak in my turbo

check for shaft play, if there is shaft play in the turbo, thats where the smoking is comming from.

does your boost gauge read vacuum? a healthy internals 7afe should read 20 inches HG at idle, if its less than 20, something with the rings or valvetrain is leaking somewhere


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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:42 AM)
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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:05 AM)
not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i running pretty rich right now timing is 6 (normal being 10) little problem i was running 7-8 psi yesterday and i'm getting smoke under boost i replaced the pcv valve helped for a while now the smoke is back any ideas??

do a compression test and check for shaft play in the turbo.

or should i do a leak down test i think i might have an oil leak in my turbo

if the turbo has shaft play, then thats where the smoke is comming from, leak inside the turbo

do you have any pictures of your PCV setup, well, actually your whole setp?

email them to me so i can get a look at what exactly is done with the pcv system.


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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:37 PM)
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QUOTE (nik @ Aug 16, 2004 - 9:05 AM)
not to much 50 for now i need to gut my cat i running pretty rich right now timing is 6 (normal being 10) little problem i was running 7-8 psi yesterday and i'm getting smoke under boost i replaced the pcv valve helped for a while now the smoke is back any ideas??

do a compression test and check for shaft play in the turbo.

or should i do a leak down test i think i might have an oil leak in my turbo

if the turbo has shaft play, then thats where the smoke is comming from, leak inside the turbo

do you have any pictures of your PCV setup, well, actually your whole setp?

email them to me so i can get a look at what exactly is done with the pcv system.

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i just replaced the pcv valve ...
the hose are just like they are as oem (connected to the manifold)
should i disconnect them from the manifold and Y connect them and run it to a catch can?? and just plug the manifold holes ? like zipstrip
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nik whats your timing set at?
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QUOTE (hyp3rk1d @ Aug 17, 2004 - 10:45 AM)
nik whats your timing set at?

retarded to 6


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yes, follow zipstrip's instructions

right now, as it is you are presurizing the crankcase, which makes the turbo spool later and will cause oil burning

the smaller hose that doesnt have the pcv needs to go to a vented catch can, and plug that smaller port on the intake manifold.

leave the pcv as it is.


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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 17, 2004 - 8:59 PM)
yes, follow zipstrip's instructions

right now, as it is you are presurizing the crankcase, which makes the turbo spool later and will cause oil burning

the smaller hose that doesnt have the pcv needs to go to a vented catch can, and plug that smaller port on the intake manifold.

leave the pcv as it is.

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no hard feelings doggy, but that rsx s is going to win...


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QUOTE (SoundSlut_dotcom @ Aug 18, 2004 - 11:20 AM)
i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.


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Is this race ever gonna happen?
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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Aug 18, 2004 - 6:23 PM)
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i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.

Are you sure about that? I know of RSX-S's that run 13's with hondata/I/H/E. They are quick. I used to have a 6GC ST that would've been ass raped by my 7th gen GT-S. Trust me, I have much love for the 6g Celicas, but I don't think he will beat the RSX-S. They give me stiff competition, and I run mid 14's.
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QUOTE (phaqgm @ Sep 8, 2004 - 7:39 PM)
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i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.

Are you sure about that? I know of RSX-S's that run 13's with hondata/I/H/E. They are quick. I used to have a 6GC ST that would've been ass raped by my 7th gen GT-S. Trust me, I have much love for the 6g Celicas, but I don't think he will beat the RSX-S. They give me stiff competition, and I run mid 14's.

ST-T turbo , forced induction.... not naturally asperated. it isnt going to ass rape him i think he will win...
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not to mention his 7a is more powerful than ours.
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QUOTE (redtcel @ Sep 8, 2004 - 3:52 PM)
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i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.

Are you sure about that? I know of RSX-S's that run 13's with hondata/I/H/E. They are quick. I used to have a 6GC ST that would've been ass raped by my 7th gen GT-S. Trust me, I have much love for the 6g Celicas, but I don't think he will beat the RSX-S. They give me stiff competition, and I run mid 14's.

ST-T turbo , forced induction.... not naturally asperated. it isnt going to ass rape him i think he will win...

I know it's a turbo 7A-FE. I'm not saying he's going to get assraped, but I don't know if he can beat the RSX-S. Believe me, I'd love to see the Celica win, but I just don't think it's going to happen (based off of the times posted previously by the 3S-GTE GT). My car is putting down just over 165whp, it's geared perfectly for my engine's power band, and only weighs 2500lbs. Like I said before, RSX-S's can be a bit of a problem to me, and if I make one mistake in the race, I'll lose.

I feel that the race will be determined by driver skill.

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QUOTE (phaqgm @ Sep 8, 2004 - 11:39 AM)
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i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.

Are you sure about that? I know of RSX-S's that run 13's with hondata/I/H/E. They are quick. I used to have a 6GC ST that would've been ass raped by my 7th gen GT-S. Trust me, I have much love for the 6g Celicas, but I don't think he will beat the RSX-S. They give me stiff competition, and I run mid 14's.

you would be very hard pressed to find a guy who has his modded rsx s running 13's on street tires.

i've raced a type s with my wrx back when it was bone stock, i would just leave the line quickly, and this guy didnt even bother with trying to take off fast(he didnt want to spin his tires)

he had intake, exhaust and no cat. it was loud, smelled, emmitted a little smoke when vtec kicked in and was quick

not until i was half way through 3rd would he catch up and slowly pass(~80mph)

btw, for those that dont know, 3rd gear in a stock WRX is a weak gear. thats where the ECU does the most boost drop off(14psi down to 7psi) and the 3 cats really bring down the efficiency of the turbo.

im not saying they are not fast little cars, its just that i know for a fact, that an ST-T is faster when at 8psi and open exhaust. i ran my ST-T at 3psi the day i completed the install and had it running properly

i adjusted the wastegatge rod so that it would only run 3psi and drove around open down pipe

boost hit at 2krpm with my t3 turbo, and it hit hard.

i took each of the 3 friends that helped me for a test ride, and on one test ride, i nailed it half way through 1st and in the shift to second the wheels broke loose, at only 3psi

then when i had the dp connected the the stock mid pipe i drove around for a while. and thats the time i raced the rsx s. from the midpipe back i had stock exhaust, including the cat. i was running 7psi on a cold night. caught up to him cuz he cut me off, and passed him like i said in an earlier post. from what i saw it definately had exhaust.

that was also the night i realised i was fuel cutting at full boost, i logged the SAFC and found that the map was reading positive presure, which when that happens, the ecu cuts fuel, bad for the engine, bad for acceleration.

btw my ST was automatic.

so, like i said, run 8psi, open exhuast(at the dp if possible) and practise launching in a way to take advantage of the ST's torquey first gear gearing, letting boost hit to give even better acceleration and then wind it through the gears keeping it in a gear as long as possible to take advantage of the wider powerband

you cant really compair a 3sgte to a 7afte. the 3s swap makes a lot of power, enough to the point where with street tires and an open diff, you will have lots of wheelspin problems in the 1/4 mile.

its not easy to pull off the times a turbo fwd car is capable of. my car was very easy to launch, power brake till boost builds to peak, and side step the brake.

with a 5spd, it will take some finesse, but its still easier to launch than an rsx type s which has no balls in 1st gear what so ever, and the only way to get good acceleration in 1st is to launch at a pretty high rpm and feather the gas, but that is hard to do, and can easily blow the race.


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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Sep 8, 2004 - 5:56 PM)
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QUOTE (SoundSlut_dotcom @ Aug 18, 2004 - 11:20 AM)
i now becuz my girl has one

ever been in an ST-T?

the type S is quick, and has huge gains from IHE

but not enough to beat a ST-T if you run a ~8psi and unbolt the exhaust before the cat.

Are you sure about that? I know of RSX-S's that run 13's with hondata/I/H/E. They are quick. I used to have a 6GC ST that would've been ass raped by my 7th gen GT-S. Trust me, I have much love for the 6g Celicas, but I don't think he will beat the RSX-S. They give me stiff competition, and I run mid 14's.

you would be very hard pressed to find a guy who has his modded rsx s running 13's on street tires.

i've raced a type s with my wrx back when it was bone stock, i would just leave the line quickly, and this guy didnt even bother with trying to take off fast(he didnt want to spin his tires)

he had intake, exhaust and no cat. it was loud, smelled, emmitted a little smoke when vtec kicked in and was quick

not until i was half way through 3rd would he catch up and slowly pass(~80mph)

btw, for those that dont know, 3rd gear in a stock WRX is a weak gear. thats where the ECU does the most boost drop off(14psi down to 7psi) and the 3 cats really bring down the efficiency of the turbo.

im not saying they are not fast little cars, its just that i know for a fact, that an ST-T is faster when at 8psi and open exhaust. i ran my ST-T at 3psi the day i completed the install and had it running properly

i adjusted the wastegatge rod so that it would only run 3psi and drove around open down pipe

boost hit at 2krpm with my t3 turbo, and it hit hard.

i took each of the 3 friends that helped me for a test ride, and on one test ride, i nailed it half way through 1st and in the shift to second the wheels broke loose, at only 3psi

then when i had the dp connected the the stock mid pipe i drove around for a while. and thats the time i raced the rsx s. from the midpipe back i had stock exhaust, including the cat. i was running 7psi on a cold night. caught up to him cuz he cut me off, and passed him like i said in an earlier post. from what i saw it definately had exhaust.

that was also the night i realised i was fuel cutting at full boost, i logged the SAFC and found that the map was reading positive presure, which when that happens, the ecu cuts fuel, bad for the engine, bad for acceleration.

btw my ST was automatic.

so, like i said, run 8psi, open exhuast(at the dp if possible) and practise launching in a way to take advantage of the ST's torquey first gear gearing, letting boost hit to give even better acceleration and then wind it through the gears keeping it in a gear as long as possible to take advantage of the wider powerband

you cant really compair a 3sgte to a 7afte. the 3s swap makes a lot of power, enough to the point where with street tires and an open diff, you will have lots of wheelspin problems in the 1/4 mile.

its not easy to pull off the times a turbo fwd car is capable of. my car was very easy to launch, power brake till boost builds to peak, and side step the brake.

with a 5spd, it will take some finesse, but its still easier to launch than an rsx type s which has no balls in 1st gear what so ever, and the only way to get good acceleration in 1st is to launch at a pretty high rpm and feather the gas, but that is hard to do, and can easily blow the race.

Great reply!

OK, we all just need to stop bench racing and find out what really happens/happend.
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i wish i still had my ST-T, i would have found a guy when this topic was first made and put it to rest, lol

bench racing is kinda stupid, but i was just talking from experience.


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so is the race going to happen?
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The Celica would win. It's only a quarter mile...the Celica has more torque...and doesn't have to rev to heaven to get to the powerband. You'll take him. Unless he's got some goodies. My buddy is running 13.8-13.9s with a Hondata ECU, Integra Type R goodies, intake, exhaust and other stuff. The car pulls pretty hard for being a torqueless NA engine.


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Hahah, this races never happend, it will happen this summer i guess, cuz still the RSX im going to race looks like this now:

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post May 18, 2005 - 11:17 PM
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lmao. i was doing a search and i saw that thread. i wanted to know what was going on with it, but there were no reports. sorry for bringing up an old thread, but i really wanted to know what was going on. what are you doing to your celi and what is he doing to his RSX?


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post May 19, 2005 - 1:23 AM
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QUOTE(Coomer @ Aug 12, 2004 - 5:02 PM)
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QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Aug 12, 2004 - 7:04 AM)
Exactly "almost instant" whereas he has 200hp instantly. The JDM CT26 is nearly fully spooled at 3K so I know its pretty quick, the ceramic turbine helps.

He won't reach reach 200 hp instantly. Won't he have to rev it pretty high until he hits that mark?

Yeah, he'll reach peak horsepower at 7,400 RPM.
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yes reading this thread i thought the same thing.

my homie test drove one along with another with a mustang v6 and they both felt the car was a bit sluggish untill it started hitting higher rpm's
post May 19, 2005 - 4:07 AM
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a friend of mine has an rsx type-r and he has a AEM cai exhaust system and clutch kit wit flywhell.... i must say that the car is crazy! he went 0-400 with an sti ver6 of another friend of his and they finished almost together!!!! the st-i won by half a car!!!!!!


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post May 19, 2005 - 11:15 AM
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sti owner dont know how to drive


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post May 19, 2005 - 12:18 PM
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2005 Type-S all the way...lol, but I'm biased now... smile.gif
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why all of you understimate the n/a cars? wake up! i've seen many n/a car racing tourbo cars and win! type-r vs rx-7 type-r vs vr-4 etc etc........ my best friend has an 1999 integra type-r wich is in the most pics of my car as well and i was a co driver ALOT of times when he beat up subarus and evos!!!!!! you can stay in your theorys writen in papers but i've been there alot of times and i've seen it happent! i know that most of you wont belive me and start saying how stupid i am etc... i dont care!!!!!


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