GT4 Tranny Options

[Supersprynt]

Since the GT tranny is usable, but limits the amount of power then engine will output, im probably going to go with a GT4 tranny -
This tranny will work with my 94 GT, correct?

Also how bout using the MR2 pressure plate and the 5sfe disc, work?

[Guest_Matthew_*]

ok what you want to do IMO is get the front and rear cuts of a gt-4.


jarcoinc can help you with that.

but ya the gt4 tranny will mount up in your gt celica

[Mage]

You can't use the 3sgte awd transmission with your fwd car.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

ya you can. just not the tranny from the st205. you can have a shop lock out the rear transfer case. people do it all the time. because they can't find the AWD parts or don't want to save up the cash to buy them.

[Mage]

Why would an st205 tranny be any different...anyways, everyone who's actually done the swap have used the GT's tranny or the MR2 turbo's. Nobody has ever used the 3sgte's tranny even if they already had it. Locking out the rear transfer case is supposed to be very temporary anyways, though I've never actually heard of anyone doing it, and from my understanding, would lead to problems if one drove the car normally after locking it, and the only one who's even apparently done that was NEVERSTOP with his supposed awd conversion. Getting a rear clip at this stage is pointless, since nobody's actually done an AWD conversion and detailed the process. By fall, we'll definitely have at least 1 person (qatar11) who can actually describe it well enough should he be successful for others to do the same.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

why would getting a rear clip at this stage be pointless? do you even know what stage in the swap he is at?


And again I was just giving him advice like he asked.

AND if you look at my post I said NOT the tranny from the ST205. You CAN lock out the transfer case... blah blah blah...


And also Supersprynt, if you are worried about the power of your engine and getting all the potential power that it has I would, along with many others, I can list if you want and they will back me up, go with the AWD conversion.

[Mage]

I read you fine, I said why would the st205 tranny be any different than a st185, in terms of its awd tranny (I know they're different, but they should be the same in the respect that they won't work in fwd, and that locking out the transfer case will lead to problems if driven like a normal car much less a sports car). And it's pointless to get a rear clip because he wouldn't know what the hell to do with it. qatar11's only done some minor conversions (like the hood) so far, I think he said he was saving most of the work for the summer when he would have more time for it. He isn't even certain he'll be able to do it, and he has an entire GT-4 to himself and much more knowledge than Neverstop, who admits that it's his family/friends who did the work (because they're in hydraulics).

You so glibly say "go with the awd conversion" as if it's as easy (heh, "easy") as an engine swap. The only other person who would even recommend that would be Neverstop, but he won't tell you how or show you, so that sort of weakens the argument doesn't it? When someone actually goes over the process thoroughly, and it ends up not being as crazy as we all think, I'll be the first to be ecstatic, but in the meantime, I don't think anyone should spend half a grand on something they'll have no clue how to do.

This post has been edited by Mage: Mar 2, 2003 - 12:57 AM

[Neipas09]

So much drama in here!

[Guest_Matthew_*]

dude you are reading into stuff to much.

and I never once in any post said anything like this is easy

if he wants to do the conversion go to www.elprototypes.com

they can do it.

And you think that the only person that would back me up is neverstop HAHAHA. ok check out the poll I am running. Then you will see.

[Mage]

Dude, the only people I trust are Charlie97L, qatar11, kuya1284, and west_minst. As far as I'm concerned, hardly anyone else even knows what they're talking about, and they're not qualified to judge the feasibility of the awd conversion. All these fools who say "DuDE U R 1337 NEVERSTOP I BELEVE U!!!!" will vote "yes". You should know this, and thus you obviously don't care about facts. You just want to keep fantasizing and act as if you have a clue about this. Elprototypes do engine swaps, and unless kuya1284 is attempting to convert to awd and they're doing it for him, I'm certain that's all they do. I don't even know why you mentioned it because it's not like the site even has anything to prove what you said.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

ok well they are doing my conversion so there ya go and just quit argueing damn.

this started out as supersprynt wanting to know if the gt4 tranny will mount up in his celica.

now look what it has turned into

and i have asked charlie and mike (qatar11) and mynzeyes and kuya and they all agree with me


have you even done anything major to your car?? as far as I know you haven't so quit acting like you know everything. and i don't know everything either but i have taken the whole drivetrain and suspension out of the two clips that i have and taken the suspension off a 6th gen celica and am now changing them over. so i think that i know what i am talking about.

[Mage]

What does what -I've- done or not done to my car have to do with anything? What kind of childish excuse is that to discredit what I'm saying? It's statements like that which make me think you are immature and just care about impressing people. You even made a thread about how you lied about body kits or whatnot, you claim to have a turbo setup, but are dead set on a 3sgte and never have mentioned anything about your current turbo set up, how it's running, boost levels, etc., so what else should I think? If el-prototypes have told you that they can do an awd conversion on a 6th gen, that's news to me, and if it's true, it's really heartening. But I take what you say with a grain of salt.

And it's kind of funny you say all those guys "agree with you" considering they've all posted numerous posts about the difficulty and near impossibility of an awd conversion, funnier still because qatar11 who's in the process won't even post here, and neither will kuya1284 who might just be doing a 3sgte swap, and thinks Neverstop if full of ****. Does "if you are talking about a 3sgte, you'd need to get a US GT tranny, b/c the 3sgte tranny is AWD, and you can't use it for a FWD application" sound familiar? That's the advice Charlie just gave a week ago to somebody. Just because they ultimately agree that "with money, everything's possible," it doesn't make the swap any easier unless you throw stupid amounts of money at experts to do a completely custom, experimental job. qatar11 isn't even sure he*can do it, and out of any of us celica owners, he likely has the most experience and knowledge, and knows best. In any case, he said he (and we) will all know by the time fall comes around.

supersprynt asked if he could use the gt-four awd tranny, and from what Charlie said, you can't. Not and actually drive the car normally. It's not like I'm saying I figured it out on my own, I'm just taking Charlie's word for it. But here you are telling him to go buy a rear clip and magically do an awd conversion. It's not as easy as that, and if it was, everybody who's already done the 3sgte swap would have done that or at least learned enough about it to advise others how to do it.

[Mynzeyes]

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 2, 2003 - 11:54 AM)

Dude, the only people I trust are Charlie97L, qatar11, kuya1284, and west_minst.

aw man. wtf. dont' trust me? lame...

[Guest_Matthew_*]

ok yea neverstop is being a little shady about his project and i am not believing him until he posts pics of it. simply because it seems so hard to do.

yea and again I KNOW that you cant use the AWD tranny in a FWD application.

anyway post what you want i am not gonna respond to any more of these dumb arguements

see ya

[Mage]

QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Mar 2, 2003 - 6:31 PM)

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 2, 2003 - 11:54 AM) Dude, the only people I trust are Charlie97L, qatar11, kuya1284, and west_minst. aw man. wtf. dont' trust me? lame...

forgot about you, dude haven't seen you post lately

[Mynzeyes]

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 2, 2003 - 5:38 PM)

QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Mar 2, 2003 - 6:31 PM) QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 2, 2003 - 11:54 AM) Dude, the only people I trust are Charlie97L, qatar11, kuya1284, and west_minst. aw man. wtf. dont' trust me? lame... forgot about you, dude haven't seen you post lately

it's cool man. i've just been swamped w/ school and what not. actually gettin out on the weekends and when i get time offa school work. haven't posted as much. but ya know. it's all good. no worries.
-John-

[FallenHero]

Mage dude, that -i've- stuff looks like something my X GF would say. it sorta bothers me a bit. I'm going to another forum.......

[Neipas09]

Sounds like to me that Mage is a baby and won't shut the hell up when he needs to.

Who cares if the AWD conversion is possible or not. If you wanna prove it is, then save up and do it. If not, then shut your hole and quit all the drama.

[Supersprynt]

WHOA GUYS HEY CALM DOWN DIDNT MEAN TO START A BRAWL!
I JUST AM WORRIED WHEN I PUT THE 3SGTE IN THAT MY GT TRANNY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADDED POWER. I ASKED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY ABOUT THIS AND WHAT I WANTED TO KNO, IS CAN I USE THE AWD TRANNY FOR THE FWD ST205. WHAT I'VE GOTTEN IS NO, UNLESS U CONVERT OR DO OTHER MODS RUNNING THE HIGHER RISK OF SCREWING UP MY PRIZED POSSESSION. SO IM NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

I HAVENT STARTED THE SWAP YET, I DONT EVEN HAVE AN ENGINE SINCE I CANT FIND ONE REASONABLY PRICED WITH SENSORS AND THE ECU.

I ALSO NEED TO KNO WHAT KINDA CLUTCH I GOTTA USE. AS FAR AS I KNO, AN MR2 PRESSURE PLATE WITH THE 5SFE DISC WILL WORK - IF THIS DOESNT let me kno.

I GOT A GREDDY EXHAUST WITH DUAL FOCUZ MUFFLERS SO IM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE HI-FLO AND I NEED A FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER.

SO HERES THE #1 PRIORITY - "I NEED AN 3SGTE ENGINE"
AS LONG AS THE GT TRANNY WILL HOLD UP - THEN IM NOT GOING TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

[FallenHero]

lol, good man

[Mage]

You guys are absolute morons considering you made those insulting posts without even realizing what the issue was. A guy was asking for advice on what tranny to use. I told him, while clarifying that the suggestion to do an AWD swap right away isn't feasible (the guy doesn't sound like he wants to cut up his car at any rate). I don't give a **** if I sound like your "ex gf," all I've spoken here is common sense, apparently a foreign concept to you. This THREAD wasn't about an awd conversion, it was about using the st205 tranny in a 3sgte swap which is NOT POSSIBLE WITH FWD.

Unless you mod the engine to about 300+ hp, I think the consensus was that the GT tranny would be 'fine.' That doesn't help much, but when one guy dyno'd at 500 HP with his 3sgte-swapped celica, everybody was mentioning that he should have a couple extra trannys standing by. Ask the people who've done the swap (there are quite a few actually). You can use the MR2 pressure plate.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

yea if he doesn't plan on building up his 3s-gte then he should definitely use the gt tranny and keep the car FWD. But if he is planning on building up his engine then he should take the extra time and money to do the AWD conversion.

There, I agreed with you.

Also just one more thing. When you do the AWD conversion, you don't really cut up your car. You DO do some cutting of your car. But it sounds like (not just you either) people make it sound worse than it actually is.

[rlan214]

to answer ure tranny q here go to c net

[Supersprynt]

Mage, thanks you answered my question.

[Neipas09]

QUOTE (Mage @ Mar 3, 2003 - 11:01 PM)

.....This THREAD wasn't about an awd conversion, it was about using the st205 tranny in a 3sgte swap which is NOT POSSIBLE WITH FWD.

Isn't the AWD actually just a FWD with a rear differental???