Looking for a GT-4 Rear Axle, Looking for a GT-4 Rear Axle Options

[pimpstarr690]

I'm looking for a Rear End off a Gt-Four to fit my Buddy's 96 Celica Gt Convertable. If anyone has any knowledge of finding one of these, please lemme know.

[psyko]

i think iagos said he had them, check here. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14315&hl=

[shid]

Why are you fitting a rear axle (or read end?) of a GT4 onto a vert?

[o8poa8o]

maybe he's tryin to do a conversion to a gt4 convert

[pimpstarr690]

When I drop the 3sgte In I'm gonna try go do an AWD conversion. If i wasn't doing that, I'm not that retarted to buy a GT-4 rear end and do nothing with it. Hoping to do the conversion around winter time. If anyone has any Idea on where to get one..lemme know

[jgreening]

any importer should be able to help you. Jarco Inc has a good reputation. See the "sticky" at the top of the engine forum entitled "feasible engine swaps".

[o8poa8o]

good luck with the awd conversion

[shid]

Especially on a vert

[Kwanza26]

Easier said then done...

NOTE: You might wanna try looking into possibly fitting the older RAV4's drivetrain/rear-end... which is said to be very similar to the ST205. I do believe the older RAV4's were built off of the 6th gen Celica chassi...

[lagos]

i have the full st185 awd drive train for sale

This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 23, 2004 - 8:16 AM

[pimpstarr690]

Im looking to purchase lagos things to do this conversion. Once I get started with the conversion, I'll keep all you posted with pictures and thing's like that. Also would a GT-4 hood fit on a convertable??? I dunno if it would be too narrow or what...

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[jgreening]

The hood for the ST205 will fit.

[pimpstarr690]

You know how much a GT-4 hood would cost?

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[jgreening]

Yea, I do. Because I have searched for that very same question. Also, there is a "sticky" on the topic in the Exterior Styling forum that says something like GT4 front end. Off the top of my head, its about $400 for just the hood part and then another $200-300 for the remaining parts. By the way, this website has a very useful search function that will lead you to most of the answers your looking for. The regular contributors are, of course, here to help but you will get many better answers if its obvious you have done your homework.

One more thing. The AWD conversion has been discussed many, many times. Most of the time, it is brought up by someone new to the site. To our knowledge, it has been done once successfully by someone in south florida. The consensus is that it is a very difficult conversion which requires fairly sophisticated fabrication skills. If you have them or know someone that does, that is very very cool and we all say "best of luck." If its an unresearched pipe dream, our best advice is to move on and look for other worthy mods to support the facination we have with these cars.

Welcome to the site.

Jay.

[sphinx]

[jgreening]

The problem with the internet is that it is sometimes difficult to tell HOW a guy is saying something in a post. I was honestly trying to help the guy out and not flame him. This is backed up by the fact that I gave some simple advice in two earlier posts of the thread. Nevertheless, I just read again what I wrote and I recognize that I could have said it better. Interestingly, one of my first questions on this site was whether the 5th gen hood would fit our cars. As you might guess, I was flamed and I didn't like it.

That said, the fact that he doesn't know whether the 6th gen. GT4 hood fits our cars doesn't bode well for his AWD conversion project. Also, others might have noticed he is only asking about sourcing the rear axel for his project despite the fact that he needs to source the tranny, the front axels and other parts too. Call me a skeptic, but I have my doubts about whether PIMPSTAR will complete this project.

So, PIMPSTAR, I apologize if that sounded harsh. It wasn't meant that way. I wish you the best of luck. We all have to start somewhere. My previous thread had two points designed to help you out: (1) The most productive place to start your research is the search button; and (2) Don't underestimate the difficulty of the AWD conversion. I hope you find those two points helpful.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Aug 23, 2004 - 1:36 PM

[pimpstarr690]

Ok, I'm throwing this all on the table right now. I dont own a Celica. I own an Rx-7. I'm only looking for these things because that's what he wants done and I'm just the person to do it. All it is that I'm just tryn' to help out a friend. I've found a FULL GT-4 conversion that were looking into purchasing. This winter will come with great fabrications. Not just on my own car, but his too! I dont understand why I would be getting "flamed" about something that I really dont do. I'm just needing help on finding things for a GT-4 because I know that there a lil hard to find in the US. I've meet some nice people on this site to help me for these findings. So take it as you want if you call this a "kill" but it will be done. It'll take time but we'll get it done.

[presure2]

just so you know, your gonna need the ST-205 suspension to even attempt this on a 6th gen...remember, lagos??

[pimpstarr690]

So the conversion that lagos has will not fit my friends Celica? Is it because It's an older model and that's It's more narrower???

[lagos]

everyone has an opinion on this topic and here is what i came up with after talking a look at the awd parts i have and all doing all my reasearch.

making the fwd celica into awd is not a simple bolt on. you will have to remove the gas tank and relocate it (use a racing fuel cell). next you will have to weld a bracket in place to bolt the rear diff to. after that, you should be able to use the st185 suspention on the car.

from all the gt4 pics i have done, i believe that the st185 awd did not change at all in the st205 GT4. only things that were upgraded were the brakes, rotors and suspention on the new gt4.... but you should still be able to use st185 parts for the conversion.

[NEVERSTOP]

[Sev408]

never you accauly completed that awd conversion? i never heard you did that i understand you had problems but damn i never new you did that. i just thought you thought it cost a ridiculous amount of money and time and you scratched the idea.


anyway thats tight

[Sev408]

i do have a question though, if you have a gt4 and took out the fron drive axels to make it RWD would it push all the power to those wheels or would it only get like half the power??

[lagos]

[uzthedentist]

[pimpstarr690]

Hey, Im sorry that I didn't respond lately but like my computer crashed and I tryed to make an earlier reply today but I guess that it didn't like to work. lagos, If you were tryn' to E-Mail me earlier and it didnt go through it was because my aunt deleted my account. But I understand the AWD conversion. It would be pretty sweet to do it but it would be pretty damn hard to do. Currently I'm doing the bodywork to the Celi. I got rid of those teeth that are in the center grill. I tryed to use Bondo but I realized that didn't work due to the fact that I used the wrong stuff. But the fuel Cell, Would you have to cut a hole in the rear trunk to place it in correctly like RWD cars? But 3S-GTE swap will also hopefully be done this winter. My friend still wants to do that AWD conversion. So if anyone has any pictures on the specific modifications are can I please get them so I can take a gander to see what I'm getting myself into?

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95 Talon Si project car

[Sev408]

you damn well better make your friend pay you for all the **** your going to be doing for an AWD conversion.

[pimpstarr690]

Well me and my friend are gonna do it together. We have no idea on when were gonna start this but it will definatly be by winter...i hope. =/ He's helping me with my Rotary in exchange for helping him with his car....


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95 Talon Si

[DamDirtyApes]

[Gary]

It can be done.
I has been done.
Is it worth it?
For show, may be
For performance, NO.
You will have unstable car.
Otherwise, the guy in S. Florida wouldn't put it on eBay.
I guess he was just trying to cut his loss.
But that's just my guess.

[BigEdge169]

[DamDirtyApes]

gary it has been done but even neverstop took his off. i wouldent trust that car on ebay, so many things could go wrong out of nowhere.

[playr158]

IMO it can be done and safely.....but only to ruffly 100 mph
so ideally i'd only do this for the intentions of drift competition
but drag would probably be another story.....
if you take the time measure everything 100% perfect and 100% level then you will have a safe piece of equipment provided the welds, connections...ect. are good

[Digndoug]

wow, lets put it this way, if you want an awd car, just go buy one thats awd.. then mod it.. simple as that.. an if your to in love with the looks of the celi, witch most everyone here is ... just deal with not having it..

[pimpstarr690]

DamDirtyApes, your sitting here bustin my chops and you dont know anything about cars? I do have a shop were I can do this at also (if need be). I have multiple friends that has done AWD conversions...Just not to a Celi. So if we do end up doing this, it will be done. It just wont be a 2 person project. So my knowlede of cars is pretty good...So if we do go through with this. We can make it possible and it is for the purpose of drift...

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[lagos]

"there are so many people on this site that are so smart when it comes to cars. if it was a thing that could be done, it would of have been done many times over"


lol...honestly....and i dont mean to flame anyone or doubt their abilities.....but the celica comunity is not very mechanicaly inclined. part of the reason is that we own such realiable cars, that they give us very little reason to pop the hood.

take a look at some DSM sites one day. those cars have their fair share of issues, and end up turing everyone into great mechanics. there are even guys there who swap 4g63s into Colts and make them awd and other crazy projects.

[playr158]

sweet your doing my idea DRIIIIIIIIFFFFFFT awesome i love it.....
i always wanted to see a 6gc on the drift circuit....
too bad its you and not me

[Sev408]

after your little swap it would be easier to just buy a full clip of a gt4 and weld teh back end on to your friends celi. i mean the cars not going to be that safe anyway so why not just do an easier job.

[Kwanza26]

Talk about beating a dead horse...

and player158: drifting puts more strain on the rear suspension and drivetrain than going fast... just so you know.

Umm... hmm... where to start. Maybe I'll cut it short today. Can be done and can be done safely and correctly, but for a price tag most people wouldn't pay. All depends on your wallet (or pocket-book as some foreigners call it). It's the sort of project you DON'T want to take any short-cuts on and DEFINATELY DO NOT do anything cheap. I personally have spent long hours examining the rear of the Celica... and do think it can be done with the proper parts, fabrication, and reinforcment... however, only those who are 100% sure they must finish should even start... and you better know your stuff when it comes to balancing driveshafts, setting up correct points for suspension parts, etc...

good luck...

[pimpstarr690]

I think first were diong the Engine swap but im not 100% on that. I gotta talk to my buddy. But I understand the things dealing with the AWD conversion. I know people that have done AWD conversions before. So she and a few of my other buddy's would help me if I run into a perdiciment.


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This post has been edited by pimpstarr690: Sep 1, 2004 - 2:19 PM

[NEVERSTOP]

[pimpstarr690]

Does anyone know how long the Cat is for a 5-SFE?

[pimpstarr690]

Anyone know where I can find a Test Pipe????

[Jeremy1210]

[Kwanza26]

[lagos]

make it shoot fire and we can have MonsterGarage do it for us!

[Punch]

TO every one out there that say the GT4 sawp is show & no go! the guy that did the sawp in suoth Florida I know the guy; the reason he is selling the car is be cause he want's a Supra. he's want to keep up with the 8&900HP big boy down here. the car did 12 at moroso @132.?? the swap was done fine, the only bad thing is to do a sawp like his it will cost $6000!!!
and I talk to the tech that did the swap. it tock about 12hrs if you have the right tech, right parts & someone that can fabricate you should not have a problem. the GT4 was done a month before I bought my Celica. If i can get all the parts & money (your dame strate ) I'm gonna do the swap. I know all the best fabricater down here so geting it done is not a problem! the things I seen done by these guys down here it's the Go Fast Monster Garage

This post has been edited by Punch: Oct 4, 2004 - 11:56 AM

[Gilbert_619]

hhaha moster garage would do it only if they can make it a mud boger haha
lets just say with money you can do anything...if it cost 6000 i would do it in a heartbeat...time to start saving