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 Oct 6, 2004 - 9:48 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Oct 4, '03 From CENTRAL, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
does anyone know where i can find a big brake kit for a 6th gen, i saw a gt-4 in a japanese mag that had the front ones, anyone know how to get them or what they maybe off of?
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Oct 6, 2004 - 10:13 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The GT-4 has a different brake and suspension set-up... so those won't work on our USDM cars... however, It's been said the 7th gen shares the same hub splines with the 6th gens... so the 7th gen big brake kit *should* work... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 6, 2004 - 10:42 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes the 7th gen big brake will fit an st not a gt. .
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Oct 6, 2004 - 10:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
How is it gonna fit a GT but not a ST when its basically the same except for GT's being all-wheel disks... |
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Oct 7, 2004 - 12:00 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
there's a dif somehow
i know the "fit kit" for the brake pads are dif b/t the AT200 and ST204  i dont get it though --------------------  |
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Oct 7, 2004 - 12:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There you go again...  Umm... will fit either ST or GT. The outer axle shafts are of the same spline count, so it'll fit either or. The ST does have a different/smaller front brake set-up than the GT, but the front hubs are completely swappable. I believe all of the FWD Celicas share the same spline count for the fronts and the rears are all similar enough to be swappable. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 7, 2004 - 1:52 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well why dont you go buy a brembo set of brakes for a gt. and try and fit them on your st. opps wont work. tried it and so did others.
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Oct 7, 2004 - 11:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
numberous people spent $1200 on a guess?
hope it was worth the try. unless you're talking about just pads? or rotors? -------------------- |
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Oct 7, 2004 - 6:50 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 2, '04 From Louisiana, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I think you're talking about a Brembo OE replacement set of discs for a 6th Gen GT (that may or may not have been drilled/slotted). You'd need GT calipers, pads and mounting brackets for this to work. I've done it; it works pretty well but I'd like to have something more substantial. Perhaps a 7th Gen big brake kit is the way to go, I just don't want to be the first guy to attempt it. |
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Oct 8, 2004 - 1:10 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Cause you need the hub genius... can't just "bolt" everything up.
-------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 8, 2004 - 4:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ehh im done. buy a big brake for the gt see what happens.
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Oct 8, 2004 - 11:48 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
find SpeedToe and contact him about this to find out more...that's my advice, as i see him as the god of suspension
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Oct 19, 2004 - 1:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 6, '04 From antioch CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I thought the only difference between the two was the size of the backing plate. When I did my st to GT conversion the junkyard gave me the whole spindle all i used was the backing plate and all the GT stuff bolted right on no problem.
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Oct 20, 2004 - 8:54 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 12, '04 From Nj Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
mMmmm.. big brake kit... *drools*
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Oct 20, 2004 - 10:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
is there anyway to increase braking without a big brake kit. when i had my gt i could hit the brakes really hard about 3 times (not locking them up) just to heat them up. and they would get so hot in just those 3 hard brakings that i couldnt even lock them up at all after that no matter how hard i tried.
any suggestions. oh yeah buy the big brake kit ill bet its awesome. is ti made by TRD. -------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:00 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Slotted rotors, performance pads... steel braided lines... maybe a rebuild? Those little things can dramatically increase braking performance. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 16, '03 From Bay area Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
wait.. steel braided lines help?
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Oct 21, 2004 - 5:24 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah wait how do they help?
-------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 9:44 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
when you apply pressure to them, they dont expand. (like the rubber ones.)
with the rubber, you stomp the brake, and they expand a bit because of the pressure. Steel braided doesn't do that.
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Oct 21, 2004 - 11:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
are they as reliable though...
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:26 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I love reading your posts when you get aggravated. Obviously the guy doesn't understand the whole 'suspension' thing. Hopefully he can learn from this thread. ATTENTION: Has anyone confirmed that the rear 'big brake' for a 7th gen can fit on a 6th. Last time this topic came up, most were unsure if that rears of the 7th and 6th share the same design. Any info is nice. -Ti |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The rears I have confirmed do not fit. The 7th gen Celicas use wishbone rear as opposed to the 6th gens using macphearsons... As for the steel braided lines... most of them are designed for competition... so reliability should not be an issue with them. They are probably more reliable than stock lines... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thx for the info - thats all I needed.
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Oct 23, 2004 - 4:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Most big brake kits are front only. Big brakes in the front and the GT brakes in the rear is all that 99% of us would ever need.
-------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 4:38 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I was shooting the breeze with some WRX guys and they said that with a brembo kit you need new special brake fluid and a few other things?
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Oct 24, 2004 - 12:00 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
can the lines rust
 like, do you need to be able to replace to where they are not intended for winter or anything at all -------------------- |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 10:53 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 25, '03 From Mizzeri Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If this was happening you have a problem in the brake system somewhere. My first suggestion to you would be to bleed your brakes. Most likely what has happened is that you have some water in your lines. This is something that happens over time, as most brake fluid is hygroscopic (absorbs water) and absorbs water out of the atmosphere. When this happens, then end result is that you are reducing the boiling point of your brake fluid. Then when you hit the brakes hard a couple times, the brake fluid will boil, generating air in the brake line, which, unlike liquid, will compress under pressure.
No, the lines cannot rust. They are braided stainless steel brake lines; however, they are not invunerable. You will have to take care of them just like you would if you have regular lines (i.e. bleed the brakes every year or so). My opinion about this big brake thing is this - unless you are doing track days at a racetrack, or maybe performance driving schools at a track, you DO NOT need a big brake kit. If you just want one because they look cool and fill up the gap of your bling-bling wheels better, fine, good for you, but make no mistake about it, they are not *needed*. The stock brakes work VERY well when taken care of. I autocross my Celica a LOT, and have never felt the need for more braking. A typical autocross will put much more stress on the braking system than you would ever see on the street, and I just don't see the need for a big brake kit. I will say that the kits do look good, though, and certainly don't begrudge anyone for throwing one on. I am also not saying that it wouldn't help braking, as it would, I am just saying that it isn't 'needed'. There is a difference. |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 12:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I agree with this too. My post was just to point out that big brakes in the back are even more overkill. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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